From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 9, 1997 10:15 pm Subject: Re: LIVE CD's wanted ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox Could this be--- Must Seek TD?** **to my international friends. NBC, Galen's domain name, is a TV broadcast company in the US whose slogan is 'Must See TV'. (sorry, couldn't resist!) Mike At 10:21 PM 9/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Herod, Galen (NBC)' > > >Where can I find these TD live CD's: > >Acoustic LSD >Patrolling Space Borders >Coefficient of Aural Expansion > > >I would settle for Audio cassettes. >HEROD@N... > > Because e-mail can be altered electronically, > the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed. > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 10, 1997 8:38 am Subject: Re: KLEM Interviews w/ Boddy, Pickford & Shreeve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >>Really-From: Tom Coppens >> >>BTW, I also have a quite extensive Ian Boddy interview from last year >>and another one with Andy Pickford (which is in the latest issue of >>KLEM), someone interested? [. . .] > > Again, yes, definitely. Too bad Elana's GoldTri list doesn't >exist anymore, because that would be the perfect spot, since there're >bound to some folk on this here list who will complain--although I'd >just as soon read highly-informed info on Boddy & Pickford (neither >of whom I am familiar with) rather than stuff about Klaus Schulze. Steve, GoldTri is still on the go. There was a sudden spate of traffic last week thanks to 'Ship', Dano, and a small number of others, but it has quietened down again. GoldTri would be the appropriate place for this stuff to be posted, rather than here. Is that possible Tom? ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 8, 1997 12:16 am Subject: WARNING: LONG: Boddy interview ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tom Coppens Hi everyone, okay people, don't shoot me, but I guess there are enough people interested to send it to the list. This is the interview I had with Ian last year, when Continuum was just released. His latest album is a live take of a concert with Ron Boots (and Harold van der Heijden) called Phase 3, AND IT IS A ENORMOUSLY GOOD ALBUM, seriously, it's also in the improvised style with LOADS of sequences and ye olde analog sounds, but at the same time also refreshingly new. A must-buy in my opinion, certainly if you like late seventies TD (who doesn't on this list ;-) ). Of course this is in my very humble opinion. Due to the tragic death of his little daughter, Ian has quite naturally taken some time off, so... Here goes Wave~~~ Tom TC: Over the last two years, you have been releasing your back-catalogue on CD, was it strange for you to go through the whole procedure of releasing this music again, several years later ? IB: Not really strange rather interesting to listen again to music that I hadn't really listened to for quite some time. The music brought back lots of good memories and it was intriguing to try and think back to how I felt at those times, after all a lot of water has gone under the bridge since then and I have certainly changed musically since these albums were released. Also it was good to remaster them as I felt the vinyl releases had never done full justice to the sound. The CD releases sound much better to me especially in the bass end. TC: Didn't you sometimes have the urge to change something ? IB: No, I would never change things. I may do some of the tracks differently now but that's not the point. The music is very much a product of how I felt or what I was interested in at a certain point in my life and to fiddle with it to me seems sacrilege. TC: Every re-release also has some added bonus tracks, which you approached in different ways. Could you tell us some more about that ? IB: Well I wanted to try different things with the bonus tracks. To me all to often bonus tracks seem to be substandard pieces that weren't put on the original album because they were rubbish. With Jade 'Mantis' was intended to go on the original CD release but as this didn't come off and it was only ever released on cassette and hence 'Mantis' left off to try and make the two sides of equal length it seemed natural to include this. On The Climb I was intrigued to see if I could compose a new piece which had the same feel as the original album material and I think with Deja Vu Part 3 I succeeded. On spirits I wanted to extend the gothic feel of the original album and so composed Lamalode which again I am very pleased with. With Phoenix the bonus track is from a concert performed in the same year that Phoenix was released so whilst it may sound slightly different ( probably because it's live rather than in the studio ) I felt it was a good record of my live performances of this time. TC: These bonusses also made me wonder how many of those tracks you still have locked away in your vaults. and if you would ever release them on some sort of compilation album. IB: I have lots of unreleased stuff but they will stay that way as I feel they are just not good enough to put out - so there! TC: Back to the beginning. After some cassette-releases, 'The Climb' was your first real album. What were your expectations for the album -and indeed your career- at that time ? IB: The three early tapes were a good start for me. It gave me time to learn my craft but also to get some positive feedback from listeners. The Climb was a quantum leap for me in terms of both musical composition but also in terms of distribution ( the tapes sold about 200 copies each whereas the album had 1500 copies sold ). Even then though I was realistic to know that electronic music is definitely not a mainstream commercial product and so I didn't have any grand illusions about 'making it big'. I was more interested in seeing what I could do musically next. TC: Both technically and stylistically there's a giant leap between Phoenix and Jade. Was this a conscious decision to make something else, or was it a normal development in your style ? IB: With Jade I was just getting into sampling and for some reason ( which escapes me at the moment ) I wanted to NOT sound synthetic so I came up with all this ethnic sounding stuff. This album still amazes me because it is right out on a limb compared with a lot of my material and I've been asked by many people who really like it why I don't do another Jade but I just can't get back into that frame of mind. Also it was a bad experience for me in terms of record labels because I actually signed a deal to get it released on CD in the States but despite getting a good advance it just never happened. The whole thing dragged out over two years and I just seemed to have lost a couple of years of my life to it. Having said that I don't want to sound as if I don't like the music because I think it includes some of my most origianl ideas especially the Gamelan influenced Sumatra. TC:Your first albums were released on your own label (SER), but your first two CD releases on Surreal To Real, later CDs back on SER. What's the reason why you signed on to Surreal ? IB: After the debacle surronding the non-release of Jade I was desperate to get a CD out. Finacially I couldn't do this myself so when I was approached by Surreal it seemed like a very good opportunity. They did a very good job with Odyssey and Drive but later I wanted to have total freedom and having become somewhat more financially secure decided it would be best to ressurrect my own label and I've not looked back at all since then. TC: Recently you also released Andy Pickford's new album Xenomorph. Do you plan to expand SER to encompass other artists? IB: Xenomorph was released as a favour to help out Andy who's a good friend. I think it'll be a one-off. I just don't have the time to fairly promote another artists music ( I hardly get time to promote mine! ). TC: Recently you also worked with Andy on the successfull Symbiont album, an album which is quite different from your respective solo-outputs. Can we expect to see you on a collaboration album again soon ? IB: Symbiont was a very enjoyable experience. We had worked on some of the pieces in advance but recorded and mixed the whole album in a crazy 4 days at my home studio. We literally locked ourselves in over a long weekend and I think came up with some very fresh original sounding material. We tried to inject some fun into the sound as we both have a simialar sense of humour ( huh-huh, huh-huh ). It's always good from time to time to work with other people as you just come up with ideas that you would never have dreamed of on your own. I would repeat the procedure and probably the next collaborator will be Ron Boots although that's going to be in a concert situation. TC: The present EM-scene in England is going through a very productive period at the moment. You have known lesser succesful periods yourself, how do you look upon the present situation ? IB: I've been at the centre of the UK scene since it started in the late 70's early 80's. The music at the moment definitely seems to be of the highest standard yet with many good new acts coming along. However it has always remained a cult scene with only a couple of thousand fans at most. There has been high points - the First UK Electronica in 1983 , the first EMMA festival etc but overall the size of the scene has stayed the same. My sales have increased over the years but a lot of this is down to foreign sales especially in Germany, Holland and the USA. TC: Do you think there's a bigger audience available for EM if it would get more promotion from the music media for example ? IB: Yeah I do think there is a bigger audience but it's all a case of does the end justify the means. I mean it's relatively easy to sell say a couple of thousand CD's to the real fans via the normal mail order outlets or specialist shops but after that you need to publicise the music a lot more to get the casual listener to buy the album which they will only do if it's in the shops. To do this though you have to spend a lot more money on the promotion of the music for how many extra sales?? Who knows. I think it's better not to worry about striving all the time for those extra sales but to try and continue to produce the best music you can and let the mainstream EM fans enjoy the music. If you pick up a few casual listeners along the way then that's great. TC:From several of your responses I gathered that you usually have a general idea around which you compose an album. Could you reveal a bit more about your approach to composing? IB: It all depends. The Deep is probably the most conceptually precise album whereas Continuum of course is precisely the opposite in being totally abstract. Most of the rest fall somewhere in the middle. It's very difficult to be specific about how I approach each album as it all depends on how I feel at the time although often what I'm reading at any particular time can have quite an influence i.e., Homers Odyssey & Iliad for Odyssey, stuff about Quantum Mechanics for The Uncertainty Principle, Edgar Allan Poe for Spirits etc. As for writers block I can't say I've ever experienced what I would call writers block ( or should that be composers block? ). There may be times when I just seem to be playing a pile of old shit but you just keep playing and trying out new ideas and trust your instincts and something good will eventually turn up. TC: How do you look upon the new electronic music scene (techno, ambient, music also seems to integrate some of these influences, more precisely influences from the ambient scene (Symbiont, Continuum...). IB: I like a lot of the ambient music, especially a lot of the stuff coming out of Pete Namlook's Fax label. I think there is a lot of common ground with the more traditional realms of EM with perhaps a slight change in emphasis, most noticeable in the types of rhythm and sparser melodic content with textures being more important. Symbiont does include some ambient type material whereas Continuum does ( quite purposefully ) stand astride the boundary between traditional EM and Ambient music. I find this very interesting and something that should be explored further. TC: Your new album Continuum is a compilation of a seven hour long concert at an Art festival. First of all, how do you play seven consecutive hours ? IB: OK I did take breaks for the toilet and also for lunch by allowing the gear to play itself at times , via sequencers and sample loops. The whole event was quite relaxed as it wasn't a traditional concert with people sitting down and expecting me to perform. People kind of wandered into the gallery and some would take a quick look and leave, others would stand around for a while whilst others would look at the pictures and then sit and listen for a while. This gave me plenty of space to try out new ideas, fiddle with the mixer to get it sounding right and then of course to play. TC: How did the idea for the concert take shape ? IB: The idea came about because I was asked by one of the organisers of the Newcastle Comic Art Festival ( whom I know ) to play in the gallery. When he suggested an all day performance I knew I couldn't play a 'normal ' gig so approached it as specified above. TC: Although Continuum seems to be quite a free-form, improvised music album, I can imagine that in order to play seven hours, you have to have several sequences, sounds, melodylines,.... ready in advance. How much of the music was preplanned, what was improvised ? IB: I preprogrammed a few simple sequence lines which I could drop in and out as I fancied. Then I assembled a bank of about 25 - 30 sounds on each synthesiser I was to use plus a bank of samples on my samplers hard disc drive that I could quickly grab. I left my mother keyboards patches very open ended so I was able to grab various samples and sounds almost at will as the music developed. I had a few basic ideas preplanned but quite a lot of the music just kind of happened on the day. Some things worked, others didn't of which some I was able to change into something completely different. Also I used the radio through the Moog a couple of times and of course this was totally random depending on when and where I tuned in. Furthermore i made extensive use of my modular Roland System 100-M which is just great for this more organic approach. TC: Stylistically this album is quite different from say 'The Deep' or 'The uncertainty Principle'. If you wanted to describe it, you would probably come upon something like a spaced-out modernized seventies improvised concert for the nineties, with a good deal of ambient thrown in. Do you think you'll be going further along this style of music, or will the next album be completely different ? That's a good description. I've got no idea at the moment what the next album will be like. Wouldn't it be awful if I did. That's almost all of the point in working in this field of music. It's like a continuing journey where you are constantly discovering new area and redevloping ideas you've previously visited. TC: What can we expect from Ian Boddy in the near future ? IB: At the moment I am working on a library album for a large London publisher. A totally different discipline from working on one of my own albums. Early next year I'm doing a concert with Ron Boots ( I assume you've got the details? ) which we hope to record and maybe put out as an album. I 've then got a big concert at Derby Cathedral in April in which I want to combine some of my classical influences with some of the spacy ambient ideas from Continuum. Again I may record this concert for CD release. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 10, 1997 6:06 pm Subject: Re: Re: Tangerine Ambience II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: anunes@m... feldon@p... wrote: > Anyone got any suggestions about which track/segment to upload? Well, after your Logos.mid and Logos-Orange, I think the obvious choice would be... Logos :-) Personally though I would prefer another segment of Logotypes, because I have already TA II. Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 10, 1997 1:06 pm Subject: Goldtri isn't dead! (It's only restin'...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Shipley Mr. Feldman states that Elanas' Goldtri mailing list is dead. It isn't. It is just populated with lethargic posters, although an occasional provocative e-mail can stir up the muck for a week or so ;-) (Try posting something like 'Edgar Froese is a has-been and should have retired the bands' name when Franke left!' and see what you get. The resulting flurry of posts (say, three or four) will astound you! :-) And, contrary to popular belief, it is not a 'bash nu-TD without all the fanatics' list. We can do that over here, if so desired. What we need is some intelligent posters that are truly interested in alternate e-musicians, not the big names (TD, J-MJ, Vangelis, etc.). The list is what we, the posters, make it. Come on over, the list needs additional blood to get the traffic level up and make it vibrant. Or if you are a member, post something! Do a review of a release you love or hate, give a biography of a band or musician that is somewhat obscure, review a concert that you saw; the list is what we make, let's make it _something_! I'll go back to submerged mode now.... Craig Shipley craigs@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7059 Re: Goldtri isn't dead! (It's only restin'...) PhilPDX@a... Sat 9/13/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 10, 1997 1:39 pm Subject: GoldTri ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) All this talk of alternative EM mailing lists sounds great. How about an address for it though? Thanks, Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7008 Re: GoldTri Grant Middleton Wed 9/10/1997 3 KB 7009 Re: GoldTri Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Thu 9/11/1997 3 KB 8087 GoldTri Larry E Smith Sun 10/26/1997 2 KB 8093 Re: GoldTri Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 10/27/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 10, 1997 1:47 pm Subject: Re: Compassion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Somebody should check this out with the dealer....SOrry, but I can't at the moment.... It is probably a mistake, as Sean said... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 10, 1997 3:56 pm Subject: Re: GoldTri ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > All this talk of alternative EM mailing lists sounds great. How about > an address for it though? Send a message with the body :- subscribe GoldTri to: majordomo@a... Next, you'll receive a message saying your subscription request has been passed to the list administrator, then... Where the hell ARE you, Elana ??? I want back onto GoldTri ! Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 10, 1997 4:29 pm Subject: Re: GoldTri ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) > > >All this talk of alternative EM mailing lists sounds great. How about >an address for it though? The subscription address is majordomo@a... and you just put subscribe goldtri in the body of the message. Hopfully, the 'forwarding' of requests to join the list has been removed. Otherwise you may have to wait until you get onto it. ------------------------------------------------------------ Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 11, 1997 2:14 am Subject: Video Dream Mixes? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Richard Bilek Hello dreamers, sorry if mentioned sooner, but: where can I buy The Video Dream Mixes, VHS-Pal (european norm) video??? Thanks for any replies. Greetings, Richard Bilek from Praha, Mother Of All Cities From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 10, 1997 6:11 pm Subject: Jubilee ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Who has received KS's Jubilee Edition.... I hadn't planned on ordering one, but I figured I better ask before they are all gone.... MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7012 Re: Jubilee TWeibre361@a... Wed 9/10/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 10, 1997 7:31 pm Subject: Re: Jubilee ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-09-10 14:24:25 EDT, you write: << Who has received KS's Jubilee Edition.... I hadn't planned on ordering one, but I figured I better ask before they are all gone.... >> im one of those that has been celebrating for a week.... tom w np: ks - je disc VII From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Forwarded Comments from a Friend ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman I lent a copy of Jean-Michel Jarre's ZOOLOOK to a friend of mine a little while ago, and forgot that I had taped TD's SHY PEOPLE on the other side of the tape. This friend is a Pink Floyd collector (an affliction I'm glad I don't have), and some of his comments may have merit if he's right about TD's alleged swipes of Folyd tunes. See what you think: -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:14:48 -0400 To: Steve Feldman From: Rafael Brown Subject: musical reactions Just sat down and started listening to some of the tapes you loaned me. Zoolook was interesting but a little too kitschy and new agey for me. I prefer Oxygene. I just moved rooms so I've got to dig around for that Roxy Music tape. I'm curious to hear the Roxy/Eno collaborations but don't expect much from Roxy. I was never into that glam-rock scene. Always thought that Bowie and Ferry were too f**king full of themselves. They make Sting look downright pedestrian. At least he has some intelligence too his pretenstions. Sorry, getting carried away, those two just really annoy me sometimes. I guess there are reasons why I like Floyd and Sting and you like Ferry and Bowie. I'll admit some of the early Bowie is okay, in a trite way. I like it the way I like early Beatles, its very well crafted pop, nothing more, nothing less. But where the Beatles actually got musically inclined after a while, Bowie went off into space and sent us back recordings of how empty his brain is. The farther out he went the worse he got. Reactions to the TD soundtrack for Shy People so far, The intro to Shy People is a direct ripoff of Floyd's Shine on You Crazy Diamond. The first two minutes or so are a note for note rip off. Different instrumentation (only slightly) same everything else. They should get sued for doing that without permission. Doesn't do much for making me see them as innovators. The vocals also remind me of Great Gig in the Sky (from Dark Side of the Moon). In comparing Tool's electronica to TD's . Tool is much more interesting; I just wish they didn't veer into metal and industrial so often, good shit though. Moving into The Harbor, its standard electronica rock. I've heard this same stuff over and over from TD. This is the reason I can't like them. It just comes off as pre-fabricated redundant pap. Very little of it has the fire of a good P-Funk stretch, the crazed randomness that all melds together of a good Phish jam, or the cohesive orchestration of a good Floyd jam (Atom Hear Mother Suite or Saucer Full of Secrets for example). More notes later but TD seems only good when they do slow moody music like this current track Nightfall but there is only so much of one style you can take especially from a band as prolific as TD. And I generally like this moody ambient from Eno much more. On the other hand, I did really like the early tracks that accompanied the keep. Dancing on a white moon is okay but just doesn't make it as a dance tune. Again it falls short because they really don't know the genre. Its too slow and to laughable to be a really hard or fast tune. Its dance wannabe, I'd expect Dieter from SNL's Sprockets to be jamming jerkily to this. Some of the later tracks, what I believe is swamp voices and transparent days sound like parts of Gabriel's Passion and Marc Knopfler's Princess Bride soundtrack respectively. What is this album anyway, the tribute to much better musicians soundtrack. I hate to say it but I am supremely unimpressed. __________________________________________________________________ Rafael Brown leafar@e... 127 Governor Winthrop Road (617) 628-5876 Somerville, MA 02145 Fax (617) 542-4900 'Some people you don't need to satirize, you just quote them.' -Tom Paxton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7016 Re: Forwarded Comments from a Friend Dave Brewer Wed 9/10/1997 3 KB 7019 Re: Forwarded Comments from a Friend Gabe Yedid Thu 9/11/1997 3 KB 7022 Re: Forwarded Comments from a Friend TangerineC@a... Thu 9/11/1997 2 KB 7025 Re: Forwarded Comments from a Friend Plumer, Scott Thu 9/11/1997 3 KB 7033 Re: Forwarded Comments from a Friend TangerineC@a... Thu 9/11/1997 2 KB 7037 Re: Forwarded Comments from a Friend Antonio Nunes Fri 9/12/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: ENCHANTING NATURE / PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY Comparison ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Howdy All, I've been making photocopy inserts of CDs that come with irregular packaging so that I can put all my CDs into regular jewel cases instead of slim-line 2-CD cases, cardboard sleeves, and digipaks, and the one I had been dreading was ENCHANTING NATURE, because this CD required me to not only list the running times, but to note what songs were remixes of previously-released tracks, and so forth. I eventually wound up with a system whereby I could indicate whether a track was all-new, remixed or the same as the original; I could list the track order of the both the track from the original source and the compilation; I could compare the running times; and I could compare the names of re-titled tracks. Here it is: ENCHANTING NATURE Remixes in Earthtones KEY: E = ENCHANTING NATURE album n = new song K = KLEMANIA album r = remixed version L = THE LONDON CONCERT album s = same as original version P = PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY album n/E 1. Gate of the Shimmering Cave (2:08) completely-new song r/P 2. Song of the Creek (5:03) > 3. Lontano Mystery (5:04) remixed r/P 3. Dancing Over Pools (3:08) > 5. Driving Into Blue (3:02) remixed n/E 4. Celtic Mist (3:47) completely-new song r/P 5. When the Sun Loves Trees (3:27) > 2. Mountain Heights (3:24) remixed r/P 6. Silence of the Eclipse (4:48) > 1. Black Garden View (4:50) remixed r/L 7. Stream Garden (3:37) > 8. Private Diaries (3:35) a LONDON CONCERT remix s/P 8. Purple Waves (5:05) > 6. Purple Waves (5:07) same as original version s/P 9. Malibu Trail (4:19) > 7. Malibu Avenue (4:22) same as original version s/P 10. Beach Park (4:47) > 9. Wheels on Beach Park (4:48) same as original v. s/P 11. Big Sur Romance (2:16) > 4. Big Sur Romance (2:17) same as original v. r/K 12. Silent Waves (3:43) > 3. Silent Waves (4:10) a KLEMANIA remix r/P 13. Woodland Watercolors (4:28) > 11. Crystal Tree (4:29) remixed r/P 14. Inside the Cave (5:44) > 12. Electic Becomes Eclectic (3:41) remixed The best tracks are 4. Celtic Mist and 14. Inside the Cave. The others are mostly wimpy versions of the originals. -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7017 Re: ENCHANTING NATURE / PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY Com Jens Peschke Thu 9/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: TOURNADO Breakdown, inc. THE KEEP Piece ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Hi, here are my timings for the tracks on TOURNADO: 1. [drum solo] 3:41 2. Flashflood 7:29 3. 220 Volt (Big Bolt Version) 6:55 4. The Keep 1:23 5. Firetongues 7:11 6. Girls on Broadway 5:07 7. Little Blond in the Park of Attractions [The Thai Dub] 7:40 8. Rising Haul in Silence 7:49 9. Lamb with Radar Eyes (Lost Lamb Version) 7:42 10. Touchwood [The Forest Mix] 7:40 11. Towards the Evening Star 7:03 Tracks 3. and 4. are really one track, with a running time of 8:18, but since the short piece in between '220 Volt' and 'Firetongues' is pretty much a live version of THE KEEP soundtrack material that appears on the LOGOS TYPE CD-R and CROYDON 1982 tapes, I've given it its own section. -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 10, 1997 9:42 pm Subject: Re: Forwarded Comments from a Friend ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer That's very interesting, Steven. I thought exactly the same thing about the opening of Shy People (sounding like PF's Shine on...) when I first heard it. I don't own any PF albums (since TD CD's are sucking all my money away! :-) ), but I'm familiar with alot of their music, since I was raised on the stuff. On a similar note, I was listening to one of the Coefficient of Aural Expansion discs one evening, and my dad commented that it sounded like older PF (I think he mentioned Meddle). Hmmm... Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 10, 1997 9:42 pm Subject: Re: ENCHANTING NATURE / PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY Comparison ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: Steven Feldman (stuff deleted) > I could compare the running times; and I could compare the names > of re-titled tracks. Here it is: [...] Thanks for the posting, Steven. I appreciate you taking the time to combine it. Do you want to do the same with all those TD OSTs ? ;-) Maybe others would benefit from your 'work', too :-) Cheers! Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 10, 1997 10:05 pm Subject: tangerine ambience II -- preliminary thoughts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> HI Dreamers I don't have time to say much but I've just finished my third listen to the new tangerine ambience II (hereafter TA2) CD (you know it's a winner because I've probably only played TA1 once....) Anyway, I just wanted to add my thoughts to those previously given and to urge any of you hesitant wafflers ;-) to go out and buy this one, I highly recommend it. Anyway, some of you know how much I disliked the orb remix of TtES and, as I said above, cared little for TA1; but this new CD -- in picking up some of the absolute best TD tracks ever recorded (IMNSHO ;-) really attempts to grapple with the legacy of TD classic period -- and they do so admirably. In fact, I'd have to give it a 4AS on its own merits. It's hard to rate this because you inevitably have to compare it to the original. That's easier to do with, say, Stratosfear and Strat. 94/5, where both were done by the 'same' band (albeit with only 1 original member) but here, I don't think it is fair to compare and rate these remixes with the originals. My rating is just that, based on the quality of these tracks as music and not in comparison with the originals which, when you take a track like cloudburst flight that I consider to be the all-time paragon of classic TD, there is no way that anyone is going to top it -- including today's TD although I asked Jerome to give it a whirl! but they do a pretty good job with it and with logos and tangram. There is a brutally harsh fade out on stratosfear but other than that, I really have no compliants whatsoever about this album. I'm glad others are reworking these tracks (that shouldn't be the exclusive domain of Edgar and Jerome) and perhaps these will generate new TD fans who will seek out the originals. so, in summary, I give it a 4AS; now go cash your paycheck and go out and buy it. (BTW this CD filed under the techno/ambient section and not under TD in new age at HMV). enough lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7020 Re: tangerine ambience II feldon@p... Thu 9/11/1997 3 KB 7031 Re: tangerine ambience II -- preliminary thoughts TWeibre361@a... Thu 9/11/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 11, 1997 12:47 am Subject: Re: Forwarded Comments from a Friend ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid Steve, we should put me and your friend in a room together, so I can pontificate on how I'm totally unable to get into Floyd... Anyway, I wouldn't exactly rate _Shy People_ as a stellar example of TD's soundtrack work (or body of work for that matter); certainly not in the same league as _Near Dark_ or _Firestarter_, IMO. I'm also quite surprised at the bands he mentioned in relation to it, and that he called it 'electronica'. (This could start a whole debate on 'just what is electronica, anyway'?) As for what 'they keep doing', would he bother to mentions some other examples? Perhaps he'd like latter-day TD more? No, actually, that would give him more ammunition--need I mention 'Shoot High, Aim Low' and 'Twilight Brigade'? Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 11, 1997 3:46 am Subject: Re: tangerine ambience II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... Ok, I've still got the Logotypes-Orange segment on my website available for download (as an MP3 CD-quality file). I've got one vote to put another segment of Logotypes online. Other possibility includes a segment of Tangerine Ambience II, very likely Tangram Pt.2 Any other suggestions? If you've got a boot and want to put 3-5 minutes online, let me know, I'll send you the MP3 creator and we can put it online. Morgan http://www.phoenix.net/~feldon/orange.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 11, 1997 5:03 am Subject: EF - Ages ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) Where has everyone been purchasing EF's Ages? I have yet to see it in my area. Thanks, Larry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7026 Re: EF - Ages Vincent Goudreault Thu 9/11/1997 3 KB 7029 Re: EF - Ages anunes@m... Fri 9/12/1997 3 KB 7030 Re: EF - Ages Richard Bilek Fri 9/12/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 11, 1997 8:21 am Subject: Re: Forwarded Comments from a Friend ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... Hey Steve, your friend needs to calm down a bit. I hear the Pink Floyd similarities too, but I enjoy it on it's own merit. If I analized music like he did, I'd only have about 5 Cd's instead of 2000. Forget reality and enjoy the music. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 11, 1997 9:00 am Subject: Rip snortin good E music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves Yo winners and losers, I found the NEW successor to Franke - JUNO ReAcToR. Snort them into the earhole and seek nirvana in rythm, booty shakin, and sheer percussive brain pounding. Their new domestic compilation features a lot of remixes, I think from the various singles. Track six is the real animator and should get your butt up and bouncing. Put in on repeat and 90 Db's. Cooooooool brain puuuuuuuding. So the next time your brain lacks some endorphins (and no one to help activate them), try JuNo REACTOR. That's 'One giant step above Franke-kind, and Two massive leaps over Froese-land). Check those 20 bitmaps, set the crosshairs, and fire them heatseekin E music brain cells. Spasmodic reactions guarenteed, or the last Peter Baumann disco megamix will be substituted. So what is your pain threshold ? WHoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hoo ha! CHEERS... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7024 Re: Rip snortin good E music Grant Middleton Thu 9/11/1997 3 KB 7048 Re: Rip snortin good E music Neal McAuley Fri 9/12/1997 3 KB 7057 Re: Rip snortin good E music PhilPDX@a... Sat 9/13/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 11, 1997 10:30 am Subject: Re: Rip snortin good E music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > I found the NEW successor to Franke - JUNO ReAcToR. JR do indeed produce some bloody good music. Bloody good RAVE music, not e-music as we all know and love. If you like good 130 bpm trance-inducing dance music, go for it. If you're looking for the next Logos, forget it. But yes, they do it so much better than Franke or Herr Froese Jr. ever could. Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 11, 1997 1:20 pm Subject: RE: Forwarded Comments from a Friend ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > Hey Steve, your friend needs to calm down a bit. I hear the Pink Floyd > similarities too, but I enjoy it on it's own merit. If I analized > music like Was 'analized' an intentional misspelling, or just a Freudian slip? Haven't heard Shy People yet, but I've noticed that a lot of Kitaro's recent stuff really smacks of Floyd as well. The Mandala album in particular. I guess TD & Kitaro are just following in the footsteps of greatness. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 11, 1997 1:56 pm Subject: Re: EF - Ages ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Sep 10, 10:03pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: EF - Ages > Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) > > > Where has everyone been purchasing EF's Ages? I have yet to see it in my > area. > > Thanks, > Larry >-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list Mail order. In my case, from Europe if I recall correctly. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 11, 1997 1:54 pm Subject: video dream mixes PAL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean It is probably available from VOICE PRINT www.vprint.demon.uk MJ NP: Near DArk S/T From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 11, 1997 2:33 pm Subject: Re: tangerine ambience II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Ok, I've still got the Logotypes-Orange segment on my website available for > download (as an MP3 CD-quality file). I've got one vote to put another > segment of Logotypes online. Other possibility includes a segment of > Tangerine Ambience II, very likely Tangram Pt.2 Either choice would be wonderful--thanks very much for allowing the availability of the Logotypes-Orange file! Greg... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7032 Re: tangerine ambience II feldon@p... Thu 9/11/1997 2 KB 7035 Re: tangerine ambience II Lars R. Jones Fri 9/12/1997 2 KB 7043 Re: tangerine ambience II TWeibre361@a... Fri 9/12/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 11, 1997 11:37 pm Subject: Re: EF - Ages ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: anunes@m... thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) wrote: > Where has everyone been purchasing EF's Ages? I have yet to see > it in my area. I know of 3 stores where you can find it: Gema Records (http:www.demon.co.uk/gemarecords) have it for 7.95 Pounds. Their catalogue on the web is not updated, but they accept orders online. Synth Music Direct have it for 11.95 Pounds, but only to SMD members (no comments about the price). Cue Records NL (http://mcs.nl/cue/cue.html) have it for 40 Dutch Guilders. The name of this store changed recently (I don't recall the new name) but the above address is still running. Good luck, and be careful if you pay with Visa. Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 12, 1997 12:58 am Subject: Re: EF - Ages ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Richard Bilek tadream@c... wrote > Where has everyone been purchasing EF's Ages? I have yet to see it in my > area. Try area of: http://mcs.nl/cue/cue.html Richard Bilek, from Praha/Prague, Mother Of All Cities From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 11, 1997 4:00 pm Subject: Re: tangerine ambience II -- preliminary thoughts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-09-10 18:14:55 EDT, you write: << so, in summary, I give it a 4AS; now go cash your paycheck and go out and buy it. >> i wouldnt go that far, but ill admit it is much better than the first one....not vital, however...(btw, if anyone is even remotely tempted to pick up the same company's 'tribute to brian eno': avoid like the plague....the most shameless piece of crap ive ever seen released...xcept for the brand x version of sky saw) tom w np: namlook - the four seasons From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 11, 1997 4:10 pm Subject: Re: tangerine ambience II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... My impromptu comments of Tangerine Ambience II were on a first listen. I will likely change them. See, Lars has it right, he listens 3-4 times before making any comments. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 11, 1997 4:48 pm Subject: Re: Forwarded Comments from a Friend ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-09-11 09:21:13 EDT, you write: << Was 'analized' an intentional misspelling, or just a Freudian slip? Y? is'nt that how u spell it? ;) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 11, 1997 6:14 pm Subject: Video Dream MISTAKE? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean I just saw the Laserdisc version of VDM in a local shop. This version of Video Dream Mixes ends with San Rocco, while the VHS version ends with Sojus. Has anyone seen both versions? Are they any different? Is it just a typo? Mike Jean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 11, 1997 8:47 pm Subject: Re: tangerine ambience II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Morgan writes: >My impromptu comments of Tangerine Ambience II were on a first listen. I >will likely change them. See, Lars has it right, he listens 3-4 times >before making any comments. -- yes but I still go out on a limb anyway, right tom? ;-) lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 11, 1997 9:30 pm Subject: Re: Ian Boddy Interview ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Shipley Thanks for posting the interview, but this is the kind of material that we are dying for over on the goldtri list! If you are not already a member, please consider joining and posting this type of material over there, too! Thanks! (Man, am I beginning to sound like the official GoldTri cheerleader or what?) obCDplayer: None (it's in the shop :-( ). Craig Shipley craigs@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7041 GoldTri (was Re: Ian Boddy Interview) Grant Middleton Fri 9/12/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 11, 1997 9:36 pm Subject: Re: Forwarded Comments from a Friend ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Antonio Nunes Dave Brewer wrote: >That's very interesting, Steven. I thought exactly the same thing about >the opening of Shy People (sounding like PF's Shine on...) when I first >heard it. I don't own any PF albums (since TD CD's are sucking all my >money away! :-) ), but I'm familiar with alot of their music, since I was >raised on the stuff. On a similar note, I was listening to one of the >Coefficient of Aural Expansion discs one evening, and my dad commented >that it sounded like older PF (I think he mentioned Meddle). Hmmm... I had a similar experience too! The first time I listened to track #2 of the 'Collected Endings' boot (Ardem'o' part two), I found myself singing 'the lunatic is on the grass...' from Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon. Do you think it's a brain damage? ;-) Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Flamebait re Recent Live TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: tangerine ambience II >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:10:43 -0500 >Really-From: Morgan > >My impromptu comments of Tangerine Ambience II were on a first listen. >I will likely change them. See, Lars has it right, he listens 3-4 times >before making any comments. Well, I've played TOURNADO twice, now, and still think it sucks. Somehow, I don't think playing it two more times will change my feelings on the matter. Frankly, I derive more enjoyment from TANGERINE AMBIENCE (I) than TOURNADO. At least the tracks on TANGERINE AMBIENCE don't sound like a RUBYCON REVISITED version of the original tracks. X-o Seriously, now you all know why I own only one live TD CD that has material available on LP (other than TOURNADO): RATIKON: 1. because of the 7-minute non-LP music at the end of 'Mojave Plan', and 2. because I decided to take a chance on a live version of TD already on LP in that it had a nice cover, was priced low for a boot (where I found it, it was, anyways), and had 'Mojave Plan' on it, which I am a sucker for. To my ears, THREE PHASE and TOURNADO are largely useless. The only tracks on these albums that do anything for me are 'Phaedra' (a remixed version like the one on TANGENTS, but it appeared years beforehand), 'Logos,' and 'Lamb with Radar Eyes (Lost Lamb Version).' The others are either too similar to studio versions or just plain suck. In the 'suck' category, I would place 'Hamlet' (from THREE PHASE) and '220 Volt (Big Volt Version)'. The former is because of the short running time that cuts out good guitar. The latter is because of adding even more guitar to a track that was marred only by the small amount of guitar that was inappropriately there in the first place. (If anybody wants to take issue with the guitar part of the 'original' version of '220 Volt' that is on 220 VOLT LIVE, go right ahead. To me, it's only marginally more tolerable than the guitar solo on 'Homeless.' This brings to mind a question I'm really curious about: why is it that Zlatko's playing on TOURNADO is even worse than the stuff he did for ROCKOON? His playing is listless, lethargic, and insipid -- as if Edgar asked him to imitate Mark Hornby rather than play like he did on 220 VOLT LIVE and/or TURN OF THE TIDES. (TYRANNY OF BEAUTY features the only guitar work on a TD album that I out-and-out dislike -- but what Zlatko did on TOURNADO comes close.) OKAY NOW, TIME FOR SOME REAL FLAMEBAIT . . . If Tangerine Dream continues to give 'Greatest Hits' concerts instead of playing material without studio counterparts, I'll continue to pass on seeing them live. I liked their hits show in 1986, disliked it in 1988, and haven't made any real effort to see them live, since. And if LIVEMILES is the best they can do with non-studio live material, these days, maybe I should consider blowing off TD's live albums from here on in. Heck, I like Chris Franke's THE LONDON CONCERT more than THREE PHASE and TOURNADO! :( -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7050 Re: Flamebait re Recent Live TD FredYargui@a... Sat 9/13/1997 3 KB 7058 Re: Flamebait re Recent Live TD feldon@p... Sat 9/13/1997 4 KB 7065 Re: Flamebait re Recent Live TD Hermes Guzman Sat 9/13/1997 5 KB 7067 Re: Flamebait re Recent Live TD FredYargui@a... Sun 9/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Found Two Nice Items Today ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman I found a copy of Schmoelling's WUIVEND RIET on cassette on the Erdenklang label (on chrome tape, yay!) for $2.99 today, and also found a copy of Froese's EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE on UK CD for $8.99. I bought 'em both. What I *didn't* buy was a new age album by a band called Malaysian Pale (!). Should I have? It's from 1984 or 1987 (I forgot), and on the Fortuna label, I think. -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 12, 1997 4:04 am Subject: TO: British Fans, OFF TOPIC!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: frickblj@w... Greetings, all... I have a special request from all of you. I am trying to track down a recording, on tape or CD, of the song 'Alleluia. May flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.' by John Tavener. This was the song sung by the Westminster Abbey Choir and the BBC singers at the funeral of Diana, Princess of Wales, as she was carried to the hearse that took her to Althorpe. Any help would be MUCH appreciated, and I appologize for the off-topic post, but I did not know who else to turn to, after exhausting the internet search engines... Sincerely, -- Brian Frick (Co-Editor, Equinoxe) Email: frickblj@w..., frick@b... Homepage: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ Electronic Music: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/emu/index.html Equinoxe: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html Now Playing: 'Don't work for my happiness, my brothers -- show me yours -- show me that it is possible -- show me your achievement -- and the knowledge will give me the courage for mine.' - Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 12, 1997 8:42 am Subject: GoldTri (was Re: Ian Boddy Interview) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: Craig Shipley > > Thanks for posting the interview, but this is the kind of material that we > are dying for over on the goldtri list! If you are not already a member, > please consider joining and posting this type of material over there, too! > Thanks! If only we could, Craig. All you receive from majordomo is a message saying your subscription request has been passed to the list administrator for manual addition, then nothing. Why didn't the list admin switch over to automatic subbing ? > (Man, am I beginning to sound like the official GoldTri cheerleader or > what?) Well, in the absence of Elana, it looks like you're it. I was so taken with GoldTri that I un-subbed from Tadream (sorry, Dave) and spent all my time over there. I'd love to get re-subbed but it looks less likely with every passing week. Grunt NP: Jarre Equinoxe (remastered - what a sound !) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 12, 1997 11:49 am Subject: Crowd noise loop on Coefficient II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton Listening to Coefficient of Aural Expansion pt II, I noticed (Well, actually, Craig Cordrey brought it to my attention) that the crowd noises at the start come in a loop of roughly 10 seconds. I initially thought the bootlegger was playing around with the original tape, but I read this quote from Edgar earlier on today :- Edgar: The audience at the Royal Albert Hall was really marvelous. It doesn't matter if the audience is a bit noisy because we start mostly with synthetic sounds from the synthesizer so we can always integrate what they are doing. After a couple of minutes they come down, they will be very quiet. At the start of our second piece we used a tape loop from the Rainbow concert of people handclapping and whistling. We tried to show the people that they are a part of the music and there is a feedback from them to us. Christoph: Sometimes I get very angry if we finish a piece and one second later a big noise is in the audience. Maybe we could find out a system to keep the audience to one minute's silence. Maybe with a very low tone, and the people understand 'Wait a minute', to keep that impression of that piece. Edgar: What we had at the Albert Hall was what you could call a satisfied situation where the audience was saying, you know, 'Come on again, play again, we want more'. So, I ask myself why is it that they want more? 'Cause it's not a rock concert, you know, and we really want to know why they want more. We can't ask them, we can't go with a tape recorder and a mike to everybody and ask them what they felt -- That's not possible, so we have to test them with another form of communication. Interesting, no ? Grunt Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7047 Re: Crowd noise loop on Coefficient II Dave Brewer Fri 9/12/1997 4 KB 7088 Re: Crowd noise loop on Coefficient II Grant Middleton Mon 9/15/1997 3 KB 7083 Re: Crowd noise loop on Coefficient II Grant Middleton Mon 9/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 12, 1997 1:45 pm Subject: Re: tangerine ambience II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-09-11 18:13:36 EDT, you write: << My impromptu comments of Tangerine Ambience II were on a first listen. I >will likely change them. See, Lars has it right, he listens 3-4 times >before making any comments. -- yes but I still go out on a limb anyway, right tom? ;-) >> yeah, but thats ok...someone's gotta do it....i sure as hell wont...xcept for that piece of crap 'tribute to brian eno' that ticks me off every time i think of it.... tom w np: bowery electric - s/t From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 12, 1997 1:43 pm Subject: B5 Releases ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean I just received my 'set'.... They are very nice, and each CD has a unique appearance, as opposed to the outside packing, which is virtually identical on all the releases. I just finished the third one, and they are starting to sound the same. Therefore, my advice is to take a break between discs. (I can only imagine what the Jubilee people are contending with). Someone seems to have gone through alot of trouble providing indexing times for each track, but on my player each track comes up on the display seperately. Since the tracks are numbered like 1a 1b 1c 2a rather than 1,2,3,4 it makes it difficult to know which track is playing. Any suggestions to simplify this ??? MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 13, 1997 12:29 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #38 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Richard Bilek >Subject: video dream mixes PAL >----- >Really-From: Michael A Jean > >It is probably available from VOICE PRINT www.vprint.demon.uk >MJ Sadly not! Richard Bilek From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 12, 1997 5:13 pm Subject: re: flamebait ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> steve F writes: >it that Zlatko's playing on TOURNADO is even worse than the stuff he >did for ROCKOON? His playing is listless, lethargic, and insipid -- as >if Edgar asked him to imitate Mark Hornby rather than play like he did -- OK, that does it Steve. I'm really pissed and I'm cancelling your membership in the Z-man fan club! ;-) lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7049 Re: flamebait feldon@p... Sat 9/13/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 12, 1997 6:10 pm Subject: Re: Crowd noise loop on Coefficient II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: Grant Middleton > > Listening to Coefficient of Aural Expansion pt II, I noticed [...] > that the crowd noises at the start come in a loop of roughly > 10 seconds. I initially thought the bootlegger was playing > around with the original tape, but I read this quote from > Edgar earlier on today :- [...] That's what I thought as well when I heard it. That was an interesting quote. Where was that from? A magazine interview? Since that was the band 'playing the crowd' at the beginning, I wonder, are all the other crowd sounds them as well, or the Albert Hall audience? This is supposed to be a soundboard recording, right? (which don't normally have crowd sounds present) Either way, I do like how they end that track with one quiet note that sustains for the longest time, slowly fading away, and before you realize it's been inaudible for a little while, the crowd noise rises up. (I guess that's in line whith what Chris mentioned in your quote) The tension remains as you strain to keep contact with the music, until it's finally released with the response of the audience. Ohhh yeah! :-) > > Interesting, no ? > Interesting, yes! :-) (sorry, old joke) Dave Brewer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7088 Re: Crowd noise loop on Coefficient II Grant Middleton Mon 9/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 7:59 am Subject: Re: Rip snortin good E music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Neal McAuley I second that opinion. Listening to TD's 'Dream Mixes' made me want to explore more techno oriented music. I remember Juno Reactor from the Mortal Kombat soundtrack and I've enjoyed everyone of their albums thus far (and there are only four of them so I didn't spend that much money). ::back to lurking mode::: Neal :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 12, 1997 10:24 pm Subject: re: flamebait ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 01:13 PM 9/12/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > >steve F writes: >>it that Zlatko's playing on TOURNADO is even worse than the stuff he >>did for ROCKOON? His playing is listless, lethargic, and insipid -- as >>if Edgar asked him to imitate Mark Hornby rather than play like he did I was seriously shocked when I heard the webcast of the TD concert over RealAudio. When I heard Firetongues, I was like, what's the deal? What happened to the guitar? Zlatko is half-assing it... I started asking people why Edgar wasn't doing it (I thought EF had done all the 12 string guitar on Firetongues originally) I still feel this way when I compare Firetongues on Turn of the Tides and the live version. My favorite TD of the past 10 years (the stuff that actually gets airtime in my CD player): Dream Mixes 2CD Miracle Mile 220 Volt Tangerine Ambience I&II* *Oasis* (I still don't have this, but from what I heard over the webcast...) * Um, maybe this one doesn't count... ;) Morgan 'this list'll change tomorrow' M. feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 12, 1997 10:26 pm Subject: Re : Flamebait re Recent Live TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Hello You DReamerS, > And if LIVEMILES is the best they can do with non-studio live material WellWell, a friend of MiNe told me LiveMiles was NOT very live (as LoGos) but cut, paste, re-arranged in STudIo... On the contrary, it has been WriTTen that TOURnado is realREAL LiVE I just received it from VoiCePrint (Good Team, indEeD!) and I found the arrangements wonderful (I had this impression with the realAudio netcast on the official page TD, but it's a very poor quality, isn't it? Filled with dropouts) furthermore, I found (and still find) the bridges (between the - known - tracks) clever and skilled. one Could EVen SaY fraNke's still HERe -- Woops, sorrY Edgar! Fred with a CAps kEY that caught a BAd cold. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7058 Re: Flamebait re Recent Live TD feldon@p... Sat 9/13/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 12, 1997 10:32 pm Subject: Tangram Game ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' If you want to play Tangram, then you must go to: http://www.hvision.nl/~paridaan/paredaen/showroom/tangram.htm Nice! Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp@p... Email :fsp@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7089 Tangram photos (was Tangram Game) Grant Middleton Mon 9/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 12, 1997 10:33 pm Subject: Re: COMPASSION ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... I asked the company about his title and this is their response: To: TangerineC@a... Hello: This title was created in error by the GEMM system. Sorry for the confusion, but it's a glitch in the GEMM server and we have no control over it. Thanks. Dave Fletcher At 05:24 PM 9/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi. Can you give me more info on Compassion by Tangerine Dream? You have it >listed. I was wondering what tracks were on it. Thanks. TangerineC@a... > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 13, 1997 1:08 am Subject: Miramar Box Set ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: jinsuk Kim Hello Tadreamers, How much do you pay to buy Miramar 'Grammy Nominee' 5CD Box set where you live? I saw it imported in a downtown record shop a few days ago but with the price $56.00 it looked like a rip-off. What are box sets for? I'm sure one of them would be a greatly reduce price :-) Fortunately I've got none of the CD's in the box set so it is a good opportunity for me to expand my TD collection only if I can get them with reasonable price. Thanks in advance, jinsuk Kim jindor@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7061 Re: Miramar Box Set Jens Peschke Sat 9/13/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 13, 1997 2:39 am Subject: Samplers for trade/sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek I have a few Tangerine Dream and related samplers available for trade/sale. They are: 1. Blade Runner 'Synthesizer Soundtracks' - US Silva Treasury, CD, 1995 Helicopter Attack from 'The Park is Mine' 2. Music from the 21st Century - US Cresendo, LP, 1982 Tangram Pt. 1 and unreleased Steve Roach. 3. Sequences #17 - UK FAME from SMD, CD, 1996 With unreleased Ian Boddy and Steve Roach 4. Cymbiosis - US Cymbiosis Vol. 2. No. 1, CD, 1988 With Canyon Carver and Canyon Voices from 'Canyon Dreams' 5. The Best of the 01/W - US Korg CD 01/W, 1992 With unreleased E. Froese track 'Michiko' 6. Bomb Catalogue 1981, Canada Bomb CAT-81, Promo Only, LP, 1981 With Klaus Schulze 'Mindphaser' (selection from Bomb 111) I would prefer to trade. Here are a few samplers I'm looking for: 1. Silent Moments, 2. Keep the Jungle Alive, 3. Electrocity, 4. Gold Magazine Collection, 5. Virgin Collection (4CDs from Japan), 6. Castle pre-release sampler w/Towards the Evening Star. Mail me privately for further information. Also, if you're interested in listening to 'Zoning' from the original 1987 movie, drop me a line. Vic NP: KS - Jubilee disc 21, and still loving it!!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 13, 1997 2:39 am Subject: Tournado ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'neil vanlaten' Greetings, Received and listened to Tournado and aside from the great opening percussion bridge there isn't anything new here. I'll keep the CD but I guarantee it will not be listened to very much. When will TD listen to us and release their concerts of the 70's and 80's. Klaus Schultze has been very sucessful selling out his last 3 box sets with unreleased studio and live performances and his fans are most appreciative of it!! Neil ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7074 Re: Tournado PNaunton@a... Sun 9/14/1997 3 KB 7825 Tournado Lawry Simm Fri 10/17/1997 2 KB 9508 Tournado Larry E Smith Fri 12/19/1997 2 KB 11401 Tournado GRHail@a... Wed 2/25/1998 3 KB 11435 Re: Tournado SRiser3600@a... Thu 2/26/1998 2 KB 11439 Re: Tournado TWeibre361@a... Thu 2/26/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 13, 1997 4:49 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-09-08 11:37:48 EDT, you write: << Still, there is nothing here (even the Rubycon bits), can be called 'Ambient'! >> I really don't think of TD as ambient. It's a cute attempt at a play on words, but I don't think the makers of this series intended it as ambient, either. I thought Logos was great, but the Rubycon bits didn't sound at all like the original, IMO. Anybody hear Dilate's 'Octagon'? Now THAT'S ambient. Great for floating. Phil Derby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 13, 1997 4:49 am Subject: Re: Rip snortin good E music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-09-11 05:02:46 EDT, you write: << I found the NEW successor to Franke - JUNO ReAcToR. >> Uh, I like Juno Reactor, but there is virtually NO similarity between them and any member of TD. Pure Goa Trance - at least that's what the label says - what the heck is a 'goa' anyway? :-) Ok, Franke touches on this with the opening 5 minutes of Klemania - but that's about where the similarity ends. Phil Derby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 13, 1997 4:43 am Subject: Re: Re : Flamebait re Recent Live TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 06:26 PM 9/12/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: FredYargui@a... > >Hello You DReamerS, > >> And if LIVEMILES is the best they can do with non-studio live material > >WellWell, a friend of MiNe told me LiveMiles was NOT very live (as LoGos) but >cut, paste, re-arranged in STudIo... A friend of yours? Hmm... Well, Livemiles is live. It's just not one concert. It's strung together from 7 tracks, each at different times during the shows. With bridges added in the studio. >On the contrary, it has been WriTTen that TOURnado is realREAL LiVE Sure Tournado is live, but it's nothing new. >I just received it from VoiCePrint (Good Team, indEeD!) and I found the >arrangements wonderful (I had this impression with the realAudio netcast on >the official page TD, but it's a very poor quality, isn't it? Filled with >dropouts) furthermore, The Netcast was very enjoyable on my 28.8, enough to decide that I've already heard EVERYTHING they played and don't have any interest in buying Tournado. I did enjoy the playing of some of Oasis during the intermission. (I heard the whole netcast live with only 1 major dropout of 7 seconds) I found (and still find) the bridges (between the - >known - tracks) clever and skilled. one Could EVen SaY fraNke's still HERe -- >Woops, sorrY Edgar! Uh, hate to break it to you, but I don't buy a CD for the bridges, I buy it for previously unreleased music. >Fred with a CAps kEY that caught a BAd cold. Ho ho, funny boy. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 13, 1997 4:49 am Subject: Re: Goldtri isn't dead! (It's only restin'...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PhilPDX@a... In a message dated 97-09-11 01:57:48 EDT, you write: << What we need is some intelligent posters that are truly interested in alternate e-musicians, not the big names (TD, J-MJ, Vangelis, etc.). The list is what we, the posters, make it. Come on over, the list needs additional blood to get the traffic level up and make it vibrant. Or if you are a member, post something! Do a review of a release you love or hate, give a biography of a band or musician that is somewhat obscure, >> Full-length reviews of some of these will appear in the next DREAMS WORD (which WILL be happening soon, believe it or NOT - and I don't blame you if you choose NOT, but then you can be pleasantly surprised...!)............. Dilate - 'Octagon' - Dilate is really Victor Wulf from Canada, and he has VERY cool ambient stuff. I was cautious about the sticker on the front of the CD calling it a cross between TD and Eno, but that's a surprisingly accurate description. I really love the ambient stuff on the Hypnotic label - and even some of their more techno stuff, like Juno Reactor's 'Beyond the Infinite.' This is a 2-CD set, and is sometimes beautiful, sometimes dark, always gently floating. My brother loves dark drones, and he loves this disc. My wife likes new age, and she loves this disc. I like melodic TD, Gottsching, Schulze, etc. and I love it. It seems to be that sort of 'blank slate' music that lets the listener imprint his/her own impressions on it. Dilate's previous release, 'Cyclos' is a single CD and a little darker and more melodramatic, but still good. Octagon is GREAT, though. Alpha Wave Movement - 'The Edge of Infinity' - Steve Roach ambience combined with just enough rhythms and sequencers to give it some melodic structure. These are shorter tracks, all instrumental, from 4 to 6 minutes. Great stuff. Radio Massacre International - 'Republic' - Everyone hear has heard how great these guys are. This really proves it. 'Frozen North' gets dark and somewhat repetitious at times (though I still like it) - 'Republic,' IMO, is much better. Dead ringer for Stratosfear or Encore era-TD. Great sequencers, as well as some nice free floating stuff. What do others think of these discs? Phil Derby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 13, 1997 9:50 am Subject: Chusok & TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: jinsuk Kim Hello Tadreamers, Now one of the two biggest Korean holiday called 'Chusok'(same as western Thanksgiving day), when 20 million Korean are on their way back to hometown where they were born, just began. I'm on the start line of 4 days vacation with Edgar's 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale'. It sounds incredible especially in the evening, reminds me of the land so far away from here but where I would feel safe and warm. How much I had wished that he would keep on making music like this... but that was then and this is now. I still feel it hard to get myself accustomed to his recent recordings. Thanks to the help and information I got on the mailing list I could get a copy of Digital Gothic a few days ago. Though Paul says it is a CRITICAL discography by a critic, I'm sure he's one of those TD maniacs like us :). Hope to read hundreds of mails from you all after the holiday, jinsuk Kim jindor@m... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 13, 1997 10:08 am Subject: Re: Miramar Box Set ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: jinsuk Kim > > > Hello Tadreamers, > > How much do you pay to buy Miramar 'Grammy Nominee' 5CD Box set where you > live? WOM offered it for DM 59,90 (about $33) in Germany. I´m not sure if it´s still avaiable for that price. Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 13, 1997 12:15 pm Subject: Re: GOA Trance WAS Rip snortin good E music NO TD content ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: PhilPDX@a... > > Uh, I like Juno Reactor, but there is virtually NO similarity between them > and any member of TD. Pure Goa Trance - at least that's what the label says > - what the heck is a 'goa' anyway? :-) Goa is a city in India. Goa trance is explained at http://www.tchort.com/magnetic/music/goa/goa.html : ' What does Goa Trance sound like? The first thing one notices about psyche trance is it's lack of a booming kick drum, instead 808s and samples are often used that don't have the same kind of 'punch' as a 909 (as you'd find in house or hard trance. There's more emphasis on harmonics in psyche trance rather than rhythm as you'd find in Detroit-style techno or percussive hard trance. Another thing that separates out psyche trance from other forms of trance is it's driving, crazy analogue synth lines. This style of trance concentrates more on strange, tweeked analogue sounds, layered over each other to form an ever-changing tapestry of synth lines that converge to create alien harmonies. As i mentioned, this style of trance isn't 'bass-heavy' as some other forms of techno and house are, instead tracks are often EQ'd to bring out the mids and highs of the sound-spectrum, then dropping WAY WAY down for super-sub bass pulses. This makes the music sound very 'light' as if in listening to it you'd start to levitate ;) 'Light' however, doesn't mean fluffy and there is a spectrum of styles within psyche trance: dark, hard and intense, or lighter 'hands in the air morning music'. ' Jens PS I know that this has nothing to do with TD but Phil asked for it on this list ;-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 13, 1997 1:22 pm Subject: Sample ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ian Shillingford Message text written by INTERNET:tadream@c... >Has everyone downloaded the 'Tangerine Dream Logos-Orange' sound file off my webpage who wanted it? If so, I'm going to take it down and upload about 3 minutes of Tangerine Ambience II.< Yes, thank you very much Morgan! I'm getting to hear classic TD that I hadn't heard before. -Ian From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 13, 1997 8:08 pm Subject: GoldTri (what else?!?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Shipley Grant (and all others), Not that I have any kind of power or influence on the GoldTri mailing list, I have sent e-mail to Elana to see what is going on here. My hope is that she removes the restrictive sign-on procedure so that all who are interested may join without having to go through an 'approval process' (sheesh! This is a music mailing list, not a credit card). I seem to recall that there is another person involved in the actual administration, so to beat up Elana (not that anyone has) for this problem may be mis-directed. I think that the lady has been quite busy, as I have not seen her very active on any of the lists as of late. Please be patient and understanding while all of this gets sorted out. Thanks! Craig Shipley craigs@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Re : Flamebait re Recent Live TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Hi all- >Really-From: feldon@p... (...) >>WellWell, a friend of MiNe told me LiveMiles was NOT very live (as LoGos) but >>cut, paste, re-arranged in STudIo... > >A friend of yours? Hmm... Well, Livemiles is live. It's just not one >concert. It's strung together from 7 tracks, each at different times during >the shows. With bridges added in the studio. From the TD Live FAQ: _LIVEMILES_- More like _Studiomiles_! I know what the liner notes say. I know what the Official Homepage says. But I also know that what my own ears are telling me is quite a different thing! Having been present at the Alberquerque concert, and in possesion of a fantape of said show, I can unequivocately state with absolute accuracy that _not_one_single_bit_ of 'Livemiles: Alberquerque' was performed at that concert! It has _got_ to be a studio session! Either that or the soundcheck was _really_ something! If you have the _Sonambulistic Imagery_ boot, then you essentially know the entire tour program, including the Alberquerque show. The only real differences were in the guitar solos. Although for some dates, 'Dominion' replaced 'Bois de Boulogne'; and in Toronto an additional 6 min. stormin' guitar encore was added! As for 'Livemiles: Berlin', it, too, is not what it seems. This was a special concert contracted by the City of Berlin for the 750th anniversary celebration, which holds the performance rights to this concert. The concert was performed on Aug. 1, '87, and eventually broadcast on Oct. 22 that same year, after some _slight_ studio work was done to it. In order to release it for _Livemiles_, however, the band had to completely reperform the material chosen for the CD, due to the contract with the city. The opening track, 'Sunnyvale', is pretty faithful to the concert version, with just some minor voiceing changes. Ditto the second track, 'Caspian Sea'. However, the last track, 'Dolphin Dance', is a totally different version of what was performed. The version as played in the concert was the same version as the '86 UK/US Tours. This entire concert can be found on the boots _Antarktis_/_20th Century Serenades_ in absolutely great quality. ++++++++++++++++ The above mentioned boots shouldn't be _too_ hard to find; I still see the occasionally at record fairs. And I belive I offered a set of the '87 CD's on my auction that no one bid on... goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 14, 1997 3:35 am Subject: Re: Tribute/ Rarity ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Philip Meyer Hi tadream@c... (tadream mailing list), >Ok, I admit it. I'm just sulking cos nobody wants to do a 10 CD >AirSculpture box set. > But many people would like to hear you do a 10 CD AirSculpture box set :) --Phil Meyer-------------------------- phil@h... amarok@c... http://www.hergest.demon.co.uk --------God loves his children, yeah-- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 13, 1997 9:03 pm Subject: Re : Re: Re : Flamebait re Recent Live TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Dans un courrier date du 13/09/97 07:23:47 , vous avez ecrit : > Well, Livemiles is live. It's just not one > concert. It's strung together from 7 tracks, each at different times during > the shows. With bridges added in the studio. That's what I said: it's not true improvisation. >Sure Tournado is live, but it's nothing new. (...) > Uh, hate to break it to you, but I don't buy a CD for the bridges, I buy it for previously unreleased music. What do you prefer? Unreleased material tricked or Released material 'bettered' with time and practise? And Live, moreover, that is to say no studio magic clean up but only musicians' skillness?? Note that on the web site of netcast/tangerine the bridges are part of the playlist. the Tournado CD contains 1 more track than listed: you know what? Intro drumming is track 1 although booklet says it's FlashFlood. One more thing you make me be aware of: I love LIVE ! It is during the netcast of the concert that I realized there was something new: it was FlashFlood; then I found it great and at that time began to search for it. I found out that it was in Oasis, that I bought two weeks ago. So I re-listened to Oasis and discovered more great tracks. By the way, I'm now sure that track 6 is very very boring. Keep on arguing, dreamers! Fred (with no longer kidding keyboard) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 13, 1997 6:37 pm Subject: another opinion on TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Howdy tadreamers, First time writer, long time reader.just puttin in my 5 cents on the current state of the tang/music scene. I recently got both of the tang amb. discs and am quite pleased with their approach. Aside from the fades in some songs(and quite honestly it's got to be expected for a compilation disc) I feel the artists did a fine interpretation of the tunes. I for one don't want EXACT copies of the tunes , but I do expect the flavor to be there. And I think in the Ambient cd's it is. As for the current state of TD i like the new direction. Old fans may disagree and frankely(pun intended) i can see their point . But as Edgar has stated so many times before , he doesn't make music for us, he makes it for himself. If we happen to enjoy it so be it, if not......go buy something else. As for the Pink Floyd ripoff/comments , how about the artists who copy TD? Almost every one of John Carpenters movie soundtracks could be lifted from TD tracks . If td is lifting Floyd , it may either be coincidence or an homage , we will NEVER really know, cause Froese isn't gonna comment on that one believe it!!! Anyway thanks and lets hope with the new releases of the KEEP and the others, the official release of the SOLDIER isnt far behind.(now if anyone has a cdr I can buy of it , thats another story so mail me!)Also how many of you guyscollect the films themselves. TD always seems to be mentioned on my laser sleeves and video sleeves of the films. I personally think FLASHPOINT on laser in simulated surround on a 53 inch is heaven, but then again anything with em is! Thanks again for all the fine reading! Christopher bruno@c... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7071 Re: another opinion on TD Jeffrey Au-Yeung Sun 9/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 14, 1997 3:35 am Subject: Re: Tribute/ Rarity ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Philip Meyer Hi tadream@c... (tadream mailing list), >Some better news (?)...Europa's artwork has finally shown up and is >being shipped off to the ones who pre-bought at JB. > I've got Europa now - great album! What was the cover photo taken from? Is it Europa with some synth equipment superimposed and warped around the surface? Also, were you feeling a bit camera-shy that day? There are clear pictures of Adrian and Peter, but you seem to be attracting all the smoke ;) I'm looking forward to even more AirSculpture releases in the future... When is the next one likely to be? NP: Brian Eno - The Drop Phil --Phil Meyer-------------------------- phil@h... amarok@c... http://www.hergest.demon.co.uk --------God loves his children, yeah-- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7100 Re: Tribute/ Rarity John Christian Tue 9/16/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 14, 1997 1:24 am Subject: more tangerine dream questions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: slawlor Hi there. I saw two items on cdconnection.com that i thought you might know about or have information on. First, i saw a cd called tangerine dream, obviouwly self titled, I haven't seen this before on cdconnection, but it's been a few months since I've been on the net, and I'm wondering if this}}K is 0lsomething new? Ad what about tournado? Do any of you guys have any thoughts or reviews on these two titles? thanks for the information. scott. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7079 Re: more tangerine dream questions =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n Sun 9/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 14, 1997 12:42 am Subject: Re: another opinion on TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jeffrey Au-Yeung >As for the current state of TD i like the new direction. Old fans may disagree and frankely(pun intended) i can see their point . But as Edgar has stated so many times before , he doesn't make music for us, he makes it for himself. If we happen to enjoy it so be it, if not......go buy something else. I agree with Christopher. Recent releases upto this year 1997 point to the fact that TD have arrived at another real highlight of their career for the past ten years. Ok such years are 'Short-pieces years' but a collection of more direct, relaxing music has been accumulated to accompany the earlier more challenging, abstract, exciting music for you listener's choice - so what's wrong with it? Jeffrey From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 14, 1997 2:20 am Subject: tommyknockers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers I caught 'Tommyknockers' on the USA Network tonight... It has a Chris Franke - Berlin Symphony Orchestra soundtrack. It's about 3 and a half hours of (very slow) film, 15 minutes of monsters/aliens and about 10-15 minutes of decent music. The rest of the soundtrack is mostly typical symphonic filler. Sort of like some other Stephen King books-cum-movies, it drags in a vain attempt to build tension but tons of stuff never gets explained so one is left with the impression that these movies are made primarily for King's reader-fans (which is why I wasn't so crazy about Firestarter for example)... I'm glad I didn't buy the video just to hear this little bit of decent music. Perhaps the best AND worst thing one could say about this film is that Tracy Lords is in it .... thought you might like to know lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7075 Re: tommyknockers Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 9/14/1997 3 KB 7087 Re: tommyknockers TWeibre361@a... Mon 9/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 14, 1997 2:41 am Subject: D:Solo Week 14 - Sep. 15, 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek This week we would like to hear comments on: Christopher Franke - Perry Rhodan Pax Terra AND/OR - Bridge to Eternity (shaped CD single) ---------------------------------------------------------- Please make subject 'D:Perry Rhodan' when commenting. A brief statistical summary will be provided in two weeks on the responses to the D:Solo discussion - just as we begin the Froese solos reviews. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 14, 1997 2:45 am Subject: Re: Tournado ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-09-12 22:40:08 EDT, you write: << When will TD listen to us and release their concerts of the 70's and 80's. Klaus Schultze has been very sucessful selling out his last 3 box sets with unreleased studio and live performances and his fans are most appreciative of it!! Neil >> It would seem to this TD fan that Edgar doesn't really care about what the fans would like. He has said as much on numerous occasions. KS, OtOH, does play for the audience much more, although he has his separatist moments as well. Their philosophies are quite different, and moving apart, much in the principle of the expanding universe theory. Market-share in terms of TD popularity, BTW, is probably one Hundred times what it is for KS. So it would be only natural for Mr. Schulze to try a bit harder. It reference to gross popularity, however, they should both nail the throttle to the floor and do much more of this market poll stuff. All the previous, in my humble and probably warped, self serving, iconoclastic, ivory tower opinion, of course. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 14, 1997 3:27 am Subject: Re: tommyknockers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 10:20 PM 9/13/97 -0400, Lars wrote: [....] >this little bit of decent music. Perhaps the best AND worst thing one >could say about this film is that Tracy Lords is in it .... > >thought you might like to know >lars You dawg! A fan of her earlier career, I expect. ;-) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 14, 1997 3:57 am Subject: Re: Flashflood on Tournado ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jeffrey Au-Yeung Hello/Hallo Does anybody notice a possible recording fault on the track 'Flashflood' on the Tournado CD? The music went very well until durations 3:47 to 4:06, within which the bass suddenly got thinner. Does it also happen to your copies, or I simply got a bad one?? Jeffrey Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7080 Re: Flashflood on Tournado FredYargui@a... Sun 9/14/1997 3 KB 7082 Re: Flashflood on Tournado Wouter Bessels Sun 9/14/1997 3 KB 7101 The Live Question (was Re: Flashflood on Tournado Dave Brewer Mon 9/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 14, 1997 10:41 am Subject: Is it Live or is it Tangerine Dream? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Kepler I've only read a fraction of the recent debate regarding the 'liveness' of various TD 'live' albums. I've read plenty of similar debate in previous rounds on this list, when I was more actively reading and contributing. I have just a few points to make. My apologies if they are redundant with other posts. A TD recording is a good thing for a TD fan regardless of to what degree it is or is not live. A TD concert is a good thing for a TD fan regardless of to what degree it is or is not a truly live performance. For many years now the vast majority of what is heard at a TD concert is not a live performance by humans, but a live rendering of programming composed by humans. Even when the sounds are directly percipitated by motions of human appendages, the motions of the humans are so consistent and exact, they might as well have been programmed. This I can confirm through comparison of my own fan tape of a 1992 concert, and the released studio and 'live' versions of the same tracks. I like Livemiles, but it bears very little resemblence to what I heard on that very tour within a few days of the Albuquerque show. The band was a _little_ more 'live' on that tour than more recent tours. I would like to have a recording of what was performed when I saw them. I regard the live sets of TD tours, combining both pre-existing material and new 'bridge' material and incorporating at times new arrangements and instrumentation for the pre-existing material, to be themselves significant compositions. For this reason, and others, I wish that representative recordings of every unique live set could be available. For anyone with a truly deep interest in the music of TD, as I have, the absence of quality authorized recordings of complete live shows is a big disappointment. A different model of distribution than is prevalent would be needed to make this practical. (Here's an idea: a mail-order offering with a limited window of time for sending orders, and then a limited pressing of only as many as are needed to fill the orders received.) It has long been my suspicion that the 'Tangents' project, particularly the re-recorded tracks, may have grown out of work Edgar had been doing in preparing older material for possible live performance with newer instrumentation and arrangements. Thanks and sorry about the length of this post, Michael Kepler From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 14, 1997 12:29 pm Subject: Re: Live recordings from 70's and 80's ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vincent Codd tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to > majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > Really-From: 'neil vanlaten' > > Greetings, > > Received and listened to Tournado and aside from the great opening > percussion bridge there isn't anything new here. I'll keep the CD > but I guarantee it will not be listened to very much. > > When will TD listen to us and release their concerts of the 70's and > 80's. Klaus Schultze has been very sucessful selling out his last 3 > box > sets with unreleased studio and live performances and his fans are > most > appreciative of it!! > > Neil > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Yep, agreed on that. It seems the only way to get hold of them is via the Record fairs. There are the obvious recordings from the 70's like and Ricochet, Encore and 80's include Logos, LiveMiles and Poland. I have managed to pick up a couple of oddities though. The first called 'Live! Improvised!' recorded live in Reims Cathedral, Dec 13th, 1974 is a double CD (let me know if you need more details). The second, a single CD, is called 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' recorded live in Detroit but no date given (although I have placed it between Force Majeure and Tangram as far as cataloguing is concerned). Cheers Vinnie the Fish From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 14, 1997 11:36 am Subject: RE: more tangerine dream questions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' > Hi there. I saw two items on cdconnection.com that i thought you might > know about or have information on. > First, i saw a cd called tangerine dream, obviouwly self titled, I haven't > seen this before on cdconnection, but it's been a few months since I've > been on the net, and I'm wondering if this}}K is 0lsomething > new? Ad what about tournado? Do any of you guys have any thoughts or > reviews on these two titles? thanks for the information. > scott. > Hello, Scott. Tangerine Dream album hasn't new material. It's the complete Phaedra + Stratosfear theme + Rubycon Pt. 1. Bye bye. José Ramón From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 14, 1997 1:30 pm Subject: Re : Re: Flashflood on Tournado ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... ><4:06, within which the bass suddenly got thinner. Does it also happen to > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 14, 1997 1:30 pm Subject: Bridges of tounado ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Tournado Track 3 - 6:56 to end Isn't it a great passage? Fred? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 14, 1997 2:33 pm Subject: Re: Flashflood on Tournado ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Wouter Bessels Hi Tadreamers, I fully agree with Jeffrey about the 'Flashflood'-recording drop out on Tournado, which I think is a fair enough live album. Try to play (when your amplifier has the possibility) the Flashflood-track in mono-sound. The percussion will be, at that point of drop-out, non existence: it's in the far-left and far-right of both channels, so it can't be heard in mono. I think this has to do with the panning of the output-channels during the concert-recording. Also, the audience-sound is be to heard more on the right-channel than on the left. Try to listen to the percussion-intro, or the beginning of Rising Haul in Silence of towards the end of the CD after Towards the Evening Star. So I'm sure that these errors occur on all the CD's and let's take this issue with a pinch of salt, because it IS a raw, unmodified live album, as it is presented. Glad that it's not another Livemiles or 220 Volt Live. (Let's listen to fine live-albums like Pergamon, Poland, Encore and Ricochet again. That's the TD we all love, after all and these titles aren't very remixed or edited after the actual live-recording). Dream on, Wouter Bessels (Fave TD album: Pergamon, Hyperborea, Underwater Sunlight) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7101 The Live Question (was Re: Flashflood on Tournado Dave Brewer Mon 9/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 14, 1997 3:20 pm Subject: Re: Crowd noise loop on Coefficient II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Really-From: Grant Middleton > Edgar: The audience at the Royal Albert Hall was really marvelous. > It doesn't matter if the audience is a bit noisy because we > start mostly with synthetic sounds from the synthesizer so we > can always integrate what they are doing. After a couple of > minutes they come down, they will be very quiet. I like the concept !, It says a lot about how they used to think about sounds and music. Really not surprising if you think it a bit. > Christoph: Sometimes I get very angry if we finish a piece and one > second later a big noise is in the audience. Maybe we could > find out a system to keep the audience to one minute's > silence. Maybe with a very low tone, and the people understand > 'Wait a minute', to keep that impression of that piece. This is really clever. If you want a contrast between sounds and silence as part of your work, how to tell the audience not to applaud ? Thanks for this extracts. ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 14, 1997 2:25 pm Subject: D: TD AMBIENCE 1 and 2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Hello everybody NOTICE: This message is long. STANDARD DISCLAIMERS APPLY TANGERINE AMBIENCE 1 y 2 ( A TRIBUTE TO TANGERINE DREAM) I have listened to those records more than 10 times and I would like to comment my impressions: OVERALL: Very good production with exquisite three-dimensional sound and exceptional quality. Artists are unknown to me. Ambience 1 has an English text about TD and their influence over contemporary electronic music, specially 'trance' and comments about the themes on the disc. Second disc ( ambience II) there is no text or comments. On both discs you feel the sense of unity, even it's a compilation and there are different artists. But you can perceive a difference between Ambience I and ambience II. Let's say every disc has it's own 'personality'. Ambience1(CLP 9723-2), 1996 Hypnotic Overall, and more even for die-hard completists ( not my case, thanks God) this album is a must since it has two unreleased tracks: one by Steve Schroyder ( Horizon) and the other one is by Conrad Schnitler ( Solar Cells) 1. Invisible Lights ( Inter-Masse) An extract from Stratosferar ( a magnificent bass line and a flute like synth). I always liked this theme in it original version, and here the performer threats it magnifically. The artist keeps the original concept and gave it another perspective with the inclusion of a rhythmical base from the 90'ies, that fits perfectly, IMHO, to this theme, but without converting it into a dance track. It keeps this 'atmosphericity', it's gliding flight. 2. Phaedra, ( Surface 10) One of the best themes of this album. It would be a crime not to produce something good with such fantastic 'seed'. Really I like a lot, also, the tangentinized version of this theme, and of course the original version. This one is another look, at a different angle to the same music-scape, when you change your point of view a common place might look new, or different, with this song you are visiting a known place giving but with a refreshing , and even addictive, look. As with theme 1, here the spirit of the song is 100% respected; sounds are very similar to the original and the added rhythmic base has not been modified too much. But, you see, it's because the original theme was a rhythmic earthquake. And it was composed 23 years ago!. Everybody talks about Kraftwerk and the fathers of techno, but the real masters, without underestimate KW ( specially it's masterwork Mann Machine) were TD, without any doubt. 3. Force Majeure. ( Rey Project) It begins as an ethereal sound pad and after 3 minutes it begins to get close to the original sounds. At about minute 5 starts a more dynamic section with faster rhythms. This theme, is not as brilliantly performed as the former ones. I think the piano sound hasn't been a good choice, and the artist instead of the guitar like sound of the original uses a kind of 'Casio electric organ' very week and lacking expression. It's a pity since the rest of the song is worthwhile, but with the inclusion of those tinny sounds it's too close to a general MIDI version of the theme. All this said, give this theme a try since it has interesting ideas. 4. Mojave Plan (Supersonic Project ) After the tangentinized version, where sound becomes a pure psychedelic joy it's not easy to find a more exciting version. This version is not so good but, girls and boys, IT'S VEEERY GOOD, specially the second half. Good rhythm, good mixes, good sounds... 5. EXIT ( Dean de Benedictis) ( Network 23) Very interesting indeed. Very similar to the original but refreshing as well. Very good the melodic voice that substitutes the original one. Even I dare to say ( oh Sacrilege!) this theme is even better than the original ( and this is one of the themes from Exit I like better). 6.Dolphin Dance ( Rey ) This theme is from Rey, the one who did the Force Majeure version. The rhythmic base that puts over this theme is very good but Rey continues lacking a good treatment of the melodic line. Here it's not so notorious as in Force Majeure, but I would be grateful if he would impose more character, expression, on a theme that has it in itself. I must say that besides this lack of expressiveness in the melodic line, the rest shines at a high level. Overall this version is very good and, indeed i appreciate the effort of this musician for presenting this great theme with the eyes of the 96. 7 Bent Cold Sidewalk ( Glez) After all what was said about Cyclone ( 99% unjustified, IMHO) not even Edgar itself dared to include a single fragment of this work in his Tangents ( or any other anthology) as if he were ashamed of this work giving the reason the the critics and many fans who denigrated this work. Well, I'm against this current of opinion and I say Cyclone is a great disc, period. Well Edgar didn't dare, but the producer of this disc had the courage to include such attractive theme as Bent cold Sidewalk. ( Edgar, see, and learn!) Well, this is the only theme that is practically unrecognizable. You hear this on the radio in a fragment without voices and you laugh at the face who dares to say it's Bent Cold Side Walk. Except for the singed melody the rest is pure invention, nothing close to the original. But I like it . BONUS TRACKS 8 HORIZON ( Augstern) ( Composed by Steve Schroyder/Gene Gross) I don't know the year when it was composed but this theme fits beautifully on this disc. It's very close to the sound of Stratosfear, or even, Rubycon. You'll like it if you like those. 9. SOLAR CELLS ( Conrad Schnitlzer) This guy is Veeeery good. A pity he didn't do more things with TD !. This theme glides through your brain and carry you in a gliding experience. Fantastic !, very similar to Rubycon or Phaedra... CONCLUSION: A MUST. Great versions of emblematic themes of our dared band. Best tracks : Invisible Lights, Phaedra and Exit. Honorific mention to Dolphin Dance and to Bonus tracks Horizon and Solar Cells. AMBIENCE 2 (CLP 0048-2), 1997, Hypnotic 1. Rubycon Part 1 (TD experience) I don't want to make comparisons because Rubycon is not comparable. Very few could someone to get it better in terms of elegance, sobriety and style. This guys from 'TD experience' gave us a entertaining version with pleasant sounds, maybe too sweet. They don't try to keep the original sound, but the spirit it's there. 2. Stratosfear (Token Angle) I like it. Much better the the former theme, without any doubt. More close to the original, as well. I like it mostly because the new added rhythm gives it the flavour of the 90'ies. I like it better the the Stratosfear 95 by Edgar&Son ... It's worthwhile indeed. 3. White Eagle (Kenton Files) Another good version. Very close to the original, also. Dense, atmospheric and with sounds very close to the originals. I don't know if you agree, but I like a lot the version from the Tangents box. Well, this version is not at all inferior. Listen to it with a generous volume close your eyes and don't be afraid of having goose skin. One of the best tracks of this disc. Anyway, this guy had a very easy job... Why? , well, the original has a lot of meat ! 4.Tangram set 1 (Joseph) It's like a clone of the original, but digested in 10 minutes. Nothing adds this version to the original and worse, the artist is not able to adequately digest it in 10 minutes, maybe it's not digestible. I don't like how he had managed the transitions between themes and the ending is too precipitated. 5. Cloudburst Flight (Rey) Well, Rey this time has done a much better job in the melodic voices. Maybe this track is the best one of this disc; of course Cloudburst Flight shines with pure energy. If Rey wouldn't take out something good... well, It would be a crime !. But this time Rey finally made it !, It's A GREAT VERSION. Voices perfectly integrated, interesting sounds, good rhythmic base, everything good. This guy is getting better ! 6. Phaedra (Mikael Bondee) This record gets better as time passes. Another good version from the very first minute on. Good sounds, rhythmic base and well managed sequences. Interesting version that adds something new; not trying too hard to tell us the very same things as the original. 7. Logos part 1 (Supersonic) This group or artist is the one who did Mojave Plan on Ambience I. Very interesting !. Magnificent rhythms, not too far from the original sounds but with a very refreshing and attractive air that adds interest, specially those new and fast rhythms fitting this song so well. Good ambience 3D, and very good management of the bass line. In conclusion, a great version to feel, also, the goose skin, when played at the appropriate volume. Nothing from the original is missing here, and everything is performed fine, keeping it's original style, but adding that touch that makes it a very good version. 8 Tangram Set 2 (Aquatic Ghost) Tangram is in my opinion, the best TD disc of the Schmoelling era, and without any doubt one of the top 5 of all times by TD. Clearly, trying to make a better version is very difficult. Aquatic Ghost managed to get a version very similar at the beginning, but steadily on they began manifesting their personal view. They succeeded in maintaining an uninterrupted progression, and when the tempo requires it they managed to perform the passage with great dynamism and good choice of sounds. A lot of energy, without being afraid of the exaggerations, even, the effects a la Tangerine Dream were made according to the original. It's almost as if TD had done a new version of this composition. I mean, those guys master perfectly the sounds and technics of TD and they were able to perform a version of Tangram 2 so similar and so interesting at the same time... 9 Rubycon part 2 ( TD Experience) I listened more than 5 minutes of this theme and it's clear that the thematic base of Rubycon is there, but the artist ( or artists) have taken a very small portion of Rubycon ( it's main theme) and have developed it almost minimalistically until they converted it in a bit more than five minutes of trance-ambient dynamite. Veery interesting !. Conclusion: Another Cd where to spend our beloved money and where Cloudburst Flight, Logos1 and Tangram 2 are the top 3 tracks ( and Phaedra, Rubycon 2 and White Eagle very close to those 3). OVERALL : I rate Ambience 1 as the best of both discs, but Ambience 2 has it's own personality and is very close to Ambience 1 in terms of listening pleasure. I'm very happy to have bought both. For those who didn't have it yet, I've bought it at http://www.cdconnection.com/ Good store, with fast delivery and good prices. ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 14, 1997 4:49 pm Subject: limited offer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers I've got a bunch of older but decent tapes lying around that I can't use in trades but don't want to throw away so, I thought, why not put them to good use and use them to turn other tadreamers on to TD live tape trading? Here's the deal: Just send me US$2 (cash or check ) for post and packing and I'll send you up to two live tape (boots and rarities included) of your choice from my tape list. If you are even remotely curious about live tapes, here's your chance to find out with very little risk. You're welcome to pick a tape from my list or I'll be happy to make a suggestion if you can let me know your 3 favorite TD albums/cds. 1) This offer is valid only for those with very few or no live tapes. 2) Limit 2 tapes per person (1 or 2 tapes, the price is the same). 3) No filler tracks or custom 'rarities' tapes since they take too much time to assemble. 4) First come, first served; offer valid only while supply lasts. 5) International post and packing is US$5 cash. 6) You must e-mail OFF-LIST and request of copy of my tape list. thanks lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7086 Re: limited offer =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n Mon 9/15/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 14, 1997 8:54 pm Subject: RE: limited offer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > >dreamers >I've got a bunch of older but decent tapes lying around that I can't use in >trades but don't want to throw away so, I thought, why not put them to good >use and use them to turn other tadreamers on to TD live tape trading? Hello, Lars and everybody. It's incredible. You are a pleasant guy. José Ramón From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 15, 1997 1:34 am Subject: Re: tommyknockers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-09-13 22:22:16 EDT, you write: << I caught 'Tommyknockers' on the USA Network tonight. >> u can flame franke...u can flame traci baby...hell, u can flame froese's folly....but i draw the line on the master of disaster, stevo king....life w/o this man would be oh so boring...seriously though, i saw tknockers 3 times and never realized franke did the music....he did the tunes for running man also, or am i mistaken? ur right, if u didnt read tknockers u were kinda left in the dark with the flick, but firestarter? pretty straightforward i thought.... tom w np: firestarter (good st also) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 15, 1997 9:11 am Subject: Re: Crowd noise loop on Coefficient II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: Dave Brewer > > That's what I thought as well when I heard it. That was an interesting > quote. Where was that from? A magazine interview? The quote was from a text file on the Tadream archive called tour-75.txt or something. It's a transcription of the 1975 tourbook. If you can't get it from the archive, drop me a line and I'll send the whole thing to you - there are some killer insights on the 1970's lineup. Be warned, however, the file is a few 10's of Kbytes. Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 15, 1997 9:18 am Subject: Tangram photos (was Tangram Game) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > If you want to play Tangram, then you must go to: > > http://www.hvision.nl/~paridaan/paredaen/showroom/tangram.htm And if you'd like to see the photos on the inner sleeve of the vinyl version of Tangram, I've scanned them in. Superb work by Monique - why did they ditch it for the CD ? If someone could upload the files (2 JPEG images) to a Web site or archive, I'd be very happy to send them over to you. Actually, now that I think about it, there is so much material out there on the vinyl versions which never made it to CD - on Phaedra there are 8 (I think - must check) different 'nebula' images on the inner sleeve - only 1 on the CD. The middle spread of Encore has tons of images in a giant collage. etc., etc. Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 15, 1997 9:47 am Subject: Uploaded Tangram piccies ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton I wasn't going to reveal my Web page until I had it completely sorted out, but I thought it'd be the best way to distribute the Tangram sleeve piccies. Point your browser at :- http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9240/ Enjoy, and please bookmark the page, as it should be very interesting for Tadream and GoldTri members in the near future. Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 15, 1997 8:12 am Subject: Looking for a fantape ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' Hi, dreamers: A while ago someone wrote to the list saying that he had the master fantape of a concert of this European Tour '97 and he wanted to change copies. Are you? Then, write me. Regards. José Ramón From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 15, 1997 8:43 am Subject: Optical Race Tour North America '88 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' Hello, friends: Recently I bought the 8 tapes boots box 'Optical Race Tour North America '88'. I studied it and these are the tracks with theirs times: I. 26/August/88 - RIVERSIDE THEATER, MILWAUKEE (92 minutes) TAPE 1- A: 1. Mothers Of Rain (4:40) 2. After The Call (5:34) 3. Tyger (4:55) 4. Alchemy Of The Heart (4:10) 5. Pianosolo (3:43) 6. Excerpts From Phaedra (Phaedra '88) (4:22) 7. Excerpts From Livemiles (Part One, Second Movement) (5:14) 8. Excerpts From Livemiles (Part One, Third Movement) (4:57) 9. Excerpts From Logos (Logos Blue Part '88) (5:55) 10. No Titel #1 (2:20) B: 11. No Titel #1 (cont.) (3:20) 12. No Titel #2 (7:21) 13. No Titel #3 (10:35) 14. Cat Scan (5:12) 15. Atlas Eyes (5:22) 16. Marakesh (7:51) 17. No Titel #4 (1:37) 18. Ghazal (4:54) Don't have recorded the encores. II. 31/August/88 - PINE KNOB, DETROIT (106 minutes) TAPE 2- A: 1. Mothers Of Rain (4:49) 2. After The Call (5:18) 3. Tyger (4:39) 4. Alchemy Of The Heart (3:56) 5. Pianosolo (3:35) 6. Excerpts From Phaedra (Phaedra '88) (4:14) 7. Excerpts From Livemiles (Part One, Second Movement) (4:28) B: 8. Excerpts From Livemies (Part One, Second Mov.) (cont.) (0:34) 9. Excerpts From Livemiles (Part One, Third Movement) (4:44) 10. Excerpts From Logos (Logos Blue Part '88) (5:42) 12. No Titel #1 (5:22) 13. No Titel #2 (7:39) 14. No Titel #3 (6:57) TAPE 3- A: 15. No Titel #3 (cont.) (4:08) 16. Cat Scan (5:01) 17. Atlas Eyes (5:12) 18. Marakesh (7:40) 19. No Titel #4 (1:12) 20. Ghazal (4:59) If you observe, the times of theses tracks are more short in this concert that in the first. Be T.D. in a hurry? The same thing happen in Los Angeles. ENCORES B: 21. New Song For The 360º Cinema In Berlin (Alexander Square) (4:53) 22. Canyon Voices (6:37) 23. Optical Race (3:49) III. 01/September/88 - MASSEY HALL, TORONTO (119 minutes) TAPE 4- A: 1. Mothers Of Rain (5:49) 2. After The Call (5:37) 3. Tyger (4:59) 4. Alchemy Of The Heart (4:10) 5. Pianosolo (3:45) 6. Excerpts From Phaedra (Phaedra '88) (4:23) 7. Excerpts From Livemiles (Part One, Second Movement) (2:10) B: 8. Excerpts From Livemiles (Part One, Second Mov.) (cont.) (3:07) 9. Excerpts From Livemiles (Part One, Third Movement) (4:53) 10. Excerpts From Logos (Logos Blue Part '88) (5:51) 11. No Titel #1 (5:56) 12. No Titel #2 (7:57) 13. No Titel #3 (3:11) TAPE 5- A: 14. No Titel #3 (cont.) (7:08) 15. Cat Scan (5:18) 16. Atlas Eyes (5:22) 17. Spontaneous Error On Marakesh (3:51) Hey, this is incredible. The equipment fail, it's all a show. 18. No Titel #4 (1:31) 19. Ghazal (5:04) ENCORES B: 20. New Song For The 360º Cinema In Berlin (Alexander Square) (5:25) 21. Canyon Voices (6:46) 22. No Titel #5 (4:59) 23. House Of The Rising Sun (Simon & Garfunkel) (7:09) 24. Optical Race (4:09) IV. 23/September/88 - WILTERN THEATER, LOS ANGELES (105 minutes) TAPE 6- A: 1. Mothers Of Rain (5:18) 2. After The Call (5:19) 3. Tyger (4:43) 4. Alchemy Of The Heart (3:58) 5. Pianosolo (3:51) 6. Extracts From Phaedra (Phaedra '88) (4:17) 7. Extracts From Livemiles (Part One, Second Movement) (3:27) B: 8. Extracts From Livemiles (Part One, Second Mov.) (cont.) (1:37) 9. Extracts From Livemiles (Part One, Third Movement) (4:44) 10. Extracts From Logos (Logos Blue Part '88) (5:37) 11. No Titel #1 (5:13) 12. No Titel #2 (7:32) 13. No Titel #3 (6:16) TAPE 7- A: 14. No Titel #3 (cont.) (3:36) 15. Cat Scan (5:04) 16. Atlas Eyes (5:06) 17. Marakesh (7:34) 18. No Titel #4 (1:33) 19. Ghazal (4:33) ENCORES B: 77. New Song For The 360º Cinema In Berlin (Alexander Square) (4:52) 78. Canyon Dreams (6:22) 79. Optical Race (3:54) V. 29/August/88 - INTERVIEW PAUL HASLINGER, WDET RADIO (21 minutes) TAPE 8- A: 1. Interview Paul Haslinger, WDET Radio (20:35) Okey, it's finish. I hope that serves to someone. Uhmmm..., also, Does someone to change copies? Regards from Spain. José Ramón Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7093 Re: Optical Race Tour North America '88 vroom Mon 9/15/1997 2 KB 7094 Re: Optical Race Tour North America '88 Vincent Goudreault Mon 9/15/1997 4 KB 7105 Re: Optical Race Tour North America '88 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n Tue 9/16/1997 3 KB 7123 Re: Optical Race Tour North America '88 Erik Sanborn Tue 9/16/1997 4 KB 7131 Re: Optical Race Tour North America '88 PNaunton@a... Wed 9/17/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 15, 1997 6:42 am Subject: Re: Optical Race Tour North America '88 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'vroom' Hi....Would it be possible for you to make tape copies for me? I live in the usa. Thanks, Robert Darr From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 15, 1997 12:58 pm Subject: Re: Optical Race Tour North America '88 Attachment attachment Type: text/plain Size: 1k Download From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 15, 1997 1:57 pm Subject: What Ed wants (Was: RE: Tournado) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > It would seem to this TD fan that Edgar doesn't really care about >what the fans would like. He has said as much on numerous occasions. KS, That may be true, but I wonder if what Edgar wants now is the commercial success that has eluded him in the past. I suspect it's been the soundtrack work that has supported him since about 1981 or so, and since that has slacked off since about 1990, it seems now that he's trying to sell studio records. ToB and TotT seem to be the most direct attempts at commercial appeal. Opinions? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7096 Re: What Ed wants (Was: RE: Tournado) Gabe Yedid Mon 9/15/1997 3 KB 7097 Re: What Ed wants (Was: RE: Tournado) Plumer, Scott Mon 9/15/1997 3 KB 7108 Re: What Ed wants (Was: RE: Tournado) PNaunton@a... Tue 9/16/1997 3 KB 7121 Re: What Ed wants (Was: RE: Tournado) Michael Fox Tue 9/16/1997 2 KB 7109 Re: What Ed wants - long reply Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 9/16/1997 7 KB 7110 Scott Plumer's 'Mysterious Semblance' Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 9/16/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 15, 1997 2:57 pm Subject: Re: What Ed wants (Was: RE: Tournado) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > the soundtrack work that has supported him since about 1981 or so, and > since that has slacked off since about 1990, it seems now that he's > trying to sell studio records. ToB and TotT seem to be the most direct > attempts at commercial appeal. Opinions? > > Scott You don't think that _Dream Mixes_ was such an attempt? Or just because it might meet with your approval, does that mean that it's disqualified as such an attempt? And I'm one who liked _Dream Mixes_ far more than either of the 2 aforementioned albums, as well as the successor album. Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 15, 1997 3:35 pm Subject: RE: What Ed wants (Was: RE: Tournado) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >You don't think that _Dream Mixes_ was such an attempt? >Or just because it might meet with your approval, does that mean that >it's disqualified as such an attempt? I forgot about Dream Mixes. Yes, I'd say it's a commercial attempt as well. Actually I'm growing to _like_ ToB & TotT. I don't like dance music, but I like DM. An interesting experiment, and one that worked. However, you still haven't commented on the statement that the recent output is an attempt at commercial appeal. . . >And I'm one who liked _Dream Mixes_ far more than either of the 2 >aforementioned albums, as well as the successor album. As a remix, I automatically give it a point lower than an album of wholly original work, but I think for overall originality, I like it better too. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 15, 1997 7:09 pm Subject: Pacific Blue ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Did someone say that they have this S/T already? Sonic Images tells me that it is still in production, and won't be ready until October... If someone DOES have it, was it a pre-release version or just an import....Maybe it will be like the Klemania remix-mania...(ha ha ha) Mike J Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7102 Re: Pacific Blue Jorge Moreira Fri 8/1/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 15, 1997 7:16 pm Subject: RE:WHAT ED WANTS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS You don't think that _Dream Mixes_ was such an attempt? >Or just because it might meet with your approval, does that mean that >it's disqualified as such an attempt? And I'm one who liked _Dream Mixes_ far more than either of the 2 >aforementioned albums, as well as the successor album. Again with all the sell-out/crossover talk. Do you guys really think the Froese meister gives it that much thought? Maybe his record company, but not him. I think the sell out/crossover bit is really in the hands of the marketing. I for one don't see TD poster displays at my BEST BUY store. I do see MADONNA , ELTON, etc. I think if we are to regard DREAM MIXES as an attempt to cross over it would be due to the influence of young JEROME and not so much Edgar. In the field of wider success I think Chris Franke has made an attempt to do such with his scores to Celestine and the such. I mean I for one dont think TD will have the success you speak of unless they decide to tour the US again. It has been awhile hasn't it? Chris/Bruno@c... p.s. Anyone hear about the CELESTINE tv miniseries??Its in the new tv guide preview issue. I wonder if frankes score will be used?? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7117 Re: WHAT ED WANTS Plumer, Scott Tue 9/16/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 15, 1997 7:36 pm Subject: Re: Tribute/ Rarity ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: John Christian Hi Phil & all, >I've got Europa now - great album! Thank you. >What was the cover photo taken from? Is it Europa with some synth equipment >superimposed and warped around the surface? Close. It's a shot from our first concert, the strange textures are not a moon but just smoke & lights, with bits of gear (actually mostly Stefan Whitlan's) in the midst. And then the whole thing warped in Paintshop. I've been waiting to use it for ages! >Also, were you feeling a bit >camera-shy that day? There are clear pictures of Adrian and Peter, but you seem >to be attracting all the smoke ;) Well I chose the pictures... Because I was in the middle, all of the good pics were long shots from the side, while the others got more closeups. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. >I'm looking forward to even more AirSculpture releases in the future... When is >the next one likely to be? Our current plan is to have a double CD out late this year or (more likely) early next year - but you know what happens to plans! We have only one track (~30 mins) finished (it was ready before Europa), but we think we have easily enough material. We'll be basing it on the usual studio improvs, but then doing whatever overdubs, edits etc. we feel it needs. We want to get the energy and spontenaiety of Attrition System but with a more polished feel. We've just come back from the Netherlands where Cue (now renamed 'Groove Unlimited') launched 'Truth or Dare'. Well worth checking out, it's all collaborations between unusual pairings, inspired by the X files (allegedly). Our track was done with Kees Aarts, there's also stuff by Boots, Boddy, Dyson, plus a number of artists you may not have heard (of). JC -- John Christian for WebMaze, Freebie Win95 software, etc. for AirSculpture From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 15, 1997 8:01 pm Subject: The Live Question (was Re: Flashflood on Tournado) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: Wouter Bessels > [...] > (Let's listen to fine live-albums like Pergamon, Poland, Encore and Ricochet > again. That's the TD we all love, after all and these titles aren't very > remixed or edited after the actual live-recording). > Huh?? I've heard that most of Quichotte pt 2 is a studio creation. And I also heard that Ricochet is pieced together from various performances, and that the drums on part 1 were added in the studio. (also, the fine piano solo by Edgar pasted on the beginning of part 2) I guess Poland and Encore are pretty much the way they were performed. (although I think each track on Encore is from a different performance) I think these recordings are not as 'virgin' as you thought. :-) But, yes they are very good! (gotta love that Logos! :-) ) And believe it or not, I still listen to 220 Volt (from the first TD tour I got to see) and Livemiles now and then. (tho I prefer Antarktis/20th CS for listening to the Berlin 87 material; now there's some untouched live material!) Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 1, 1997 11:57 am Subject: Re: Pacific Blue ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jorge Moreira tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > Did someone say that they have this S/T already? > > Sonic Images tells me that it is still in production, and won't be ready > until October... If someone DOES have it, was it a pre-release version or > just an import....Maybe it will be like the Klemania remix-mania...(ha ha > ha) > > Mike J Hello Mike and all Tadreamers. I have now the 'Pacific Blue' directly from Sonic Images. But, But, But, It`s not Electronic or 'Shymphonic' Music, It´s Rock and Roll, Yes a new facet of thiss Genius man. Jorge Moreira from Portugal (new in mailing list) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 15, 1997 10:19 pm Subject: Oasis US Release Info!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek !!! IMPORTANT RELEASE INFO !!! 'Oasis' soundtrack will be released in the US by Miramar on October 28th, 1997. Yes - MIRAMAR! You heard it here first! Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7106 Re: Oasis US Release Info!!! Gabe Yedid Tue 9/16/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 15, 1997 10:29 pm Subject: Virgin CD Artwork ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek I think I lost a post from a few days ago discussing the missing inner artwork for CDs such as Tangram and Encore. Was it you Grant that mentioned this? Well, actually there is a CD release that has all the original artwork of Tangram (the nice snow scenes) and Encore (the picture collage), and it's on the Virgin/Victor Japanese releases. As always, why can the Japanese release better artwork than the countries of the actual artists or origin of release? I could never comprehend this ignorance - especially by Virgin! By the way, I checked out 'Grunt's' webpage with the Tangram JPEG'S and his photo - pretty cool - good job. I actually downloaded the Tangram JPEGS, not the personal photo (sorry Grant). Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7112 Re: Virgin CD Artwork Grant Middleton Tue 9/16/1997 4 KB 7114 Re: Virgin CD Artwork Vic Rek Tue 9/16/1997 3 KB 7136 Re: Virgin CD Artwork Grant Middleton Wed 9/17/1997 3 KB 7128 Re: Virgin CD Artwork jinsuk Kim Wed 9/17/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 15, 1997 10:31 pm Subject: RE: Optical Race Tour North America '88 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' >On Sep 15, 10:43am, tadream mailing list wrote: > > Subject: Optical Race Tour North America '88 > > > > Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' > > > > > > Hello, friends: > > > > Recently I bought the 8 tapes boots box 'Optical Race Tour North America > > '88'. I studied it and these are the tracks with theirs times: > > > (...) > > 23. House Of The Rising Sun (Simon & Garfunkel) (7:09) > > >Hummm, José, did you get this 'Simon & Garfunkel' credit from the tapes? >Because if you did, they are in error: 'House of the Rising Sun' is from >Eric Burdon & the Animals. Oh, pardon, sorry. In the credit don't put 'Simon & Garfunkel', only 'House Of The Rising Sun'. Someone said me that this songs was composed by Simon & Garfunkel. Okey, they would interpreted a version of Eric Burdon & The Animals. Thanks you for the correction, Vincent. Regards. José Ramón From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 15, 1997 11:51 pm Subject: Re: Oasis US Release Info!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Vic Rek > > > !!! IMPORTANT RELEASE INFO !!! > > 'Oasis' soundtrack will be released in the US by Miramar on October 28th, 1997. > Yes - MIRAMAR! You heard it here first! > > Vic Hmm...this makes it seem likely that they picked up the film, too. Hoping for another Canyon Dreams success, are they? Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Wha...? The TANGRAM Inner Sleeve... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Virgin CD Artwork >Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:29:43 -0400 (EDT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Vic Rek > >[. . .] actually there is a CD release that has all the original artwork >of Tangram (the nice snow scenes) and Encore (the picture collage), and >it's on the Virgin/Victor Japanese releases. [. . .] Huh?!?! This, I believe, is the first time this has been mentioned, that I know of. How'd you find out, and why didn't any of the VOICES IN THE DUNES authors, Scott Plumer (the author of MYSTERIOUS SEMBLANCE), Paul Stump (author of DIGITAL GOTHIC), . . . or the Ever-Ubiquitous Mark Filipak (patent pending) ;) ever mention / found out about this??? (I've been dying (so to speak) to see what the first-press inner sleeve to TANGRAM looks like for *years*!) >[. . .] As always, why can the Japanese release better artwork than the >countries of the actual artists or origin of release? I could never >comprehend this ignorance - especially by Virgin! Well, you see, it goes something like this: there is an unstated, omnipresent aesthetic in Japanese culture that causes the country's people to have -- horrors, what a concept! -- *respect* for things -- even such superficial things as pop culture detritus (it's the Japanese who routinely collect comic strips into multi-volume hardcover sets). -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 16, 1997 2:53 am Subject: Re: What Ed wants (Was: RE: Tournado) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-09-15 10:01:04 EDT, you write: << > It would seem to this TD fan that Edgar doesn't really care about >what the fans would like. He has said as much on numerous occasions. KS, That may be true, but I wonder if what Edgar wants now is the commercial success that has eluded him in the past. I suspect it's been the soundtrack work that has supported him since about 1981 or so, and since that has slacked off since about 1990, it seems now that he's trying to sell studio records. ToB and TotT seem to be the most direct attempts at commercial appeal. Opinions? Scott >> Commercial appeal - - granted, but for what purpose? Perhaps to satisfy Edgars ego? I don't think so. He is too old now to _begin_ a rock n' roll career. I'm sure that he is looking ahead to the time when he hands over the steering wheel to Jerome. It would not be inconsiderate to suggest that he may be building up the popularity level a bit in order that the transition from father to son would be a bit smoother. With a wider foundation the band may be able to survive the inevitable fan loss when and if this should occur. Edgar has to feel something more than a little responsibility for the welfare of his heir when he retires. I can't imagine that he would just announce one day. 'Hey, everybody, I'm getting tired of this, so I'm quitting. Jerome is going to have to get a _real_ job, pronto.' Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7121 Re: What Ed wants (Was: RE: Tournado) Michael Fox Tue 9/16/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 16, 1997 3:50 am Subject: Re: What Ed wants - long reply ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 09:57 AM 9/15/97 -0400, Scott wrote: > > It would seem to this TD fan that Edgar doesn't >really care about > >what the fans would like. He has said as much on numerous >occasions. KS, > > That may be true, but I wonder if what Edgar wants now is the >commercial success that has eluded him in the past. I suspect it's been >the soundtrack work that has supported him since about 1981 or so, and >since that has slacked off since about 1990, it seems now that he's >trying to sell studio records. ToB and TotT seem to be the most direct >attempts at commercial appeal. Opinions? Unless I could live in Edgar's house for about 2 weeks, I would have to guess at what his true motivation or driving energy is. With the risk of being a bit self-disclosing here....since I will be projecting (this is a psychological ploy whereby one invests his/her own characteristics/feelings/thoughts upon another). Since Edgar and I are EXACTLY the same age I may have a bit of perspective or where he COULD be at artistically. He spends his youth and most of his adulthood creating what he feels is a truly significant contribution to musical history. With a modicum of financial success, whether from the soundtracks, or whatever. He is not the eccentric character that Dali was. He is not fashionable and people don't come to his parties in which swimming pools are filled with -- what -- jell o. Or chocolate. Or whatever. He just makes music that makes his heart sing. Or the singing of his heart makes music. Whichever... Then as he faces his own existential angst (50 is a serious milestone in a man's age, believe me) he looks around and sees some folks with manes of flowing hair and a bit of talent attract tens of thousands of screaming fans to their concerts, while he is lucky to 'pack' the house with a few hundred. He wonders about the reflection he sees in the mirror. The mirror of life, that is. Where is the value? What will he be remembered by? Are the almost hundred music releases enough? If not in the memory of millions, does it make a difference? How about the bucks? People with not half of his talent are raking in the cash.... may be that's what a true measure of significance (importance) is?! He ought to know better, but it tugs at him. His promoters tell him tales. He buys into it. 'Unless you are imprinted in the memory of a a hundred thousand screaming banshees, you don't exist.' No, I don't believe this scenario is true. But it could be. TD grabbed me sometimes in the early 70s. Phaedra, I think, was my first. :-) Loved everything I heard for years to come. Could hardly wait for the next album. Then, around 'Lily On the Beach' I am told that I had better finish my dissertation or else... my funds are running strictly to Chef Boyardee for dinner and I drop out. From the TD scene, that is. I re-emerge with some inchoate financial stability around 1993. I go out I buy the newest and best. I hope. '220 Volt.' What the he..........ll! What happened. This is disgusting. What happened to MY Tangerine Dream. This is just a rock-and-roll band. I will never buy another of their albums again. But the devil makes me back-track. I become a COLLECTOR! Still 'TotT,' ToB' and 'GC' hit me wrong. But I start listening to the stuff in chronological sequence. All over again. And to other musicians. And I detect EVOLUTION. Not necessarily agreeable to my old ear, but evolution nonetheless. And my ear starts changing. I still have a special liking for the style of the mid 70s to the mid 80s (you can take the real early stuff -- Atem -- and stick it), but now I think I understand. And Tournado (and A'dam Eve) brings it home: this is definitely TD. Evolved TD. And the 'Mixes?' The BEST dam' driving music I ever want to hear. If I want to listen to TD with my earphones on... gimme Ricochet. But for sheer driving pleasure or dancing: the 'Mixes.' And maybe the kids will start getting into this stuff if they can dance to it. And maybe it will create some moola. So what? I wouldn't mind if someone smacked a couple of megabucks into my palm! All those years of research have not paid for a helluva lot of home theaters. There is always at least one TD in the 10-CD changer. There always will be. And sometimes it will be a post-1990. But it will still be TD. These are just my opinions, of course. Kind regards to all, AndrewR From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 16, 1997 4:21 am Subject: Scott Plumer's 'Mysterious Semblance' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' First of all: THANKS, Scott. I got home at 9:00 PM tonite and I opened the package found in my mail-box. 'Mysterious Semblance: A Tangerine Dream Chronology' is already showing signs of (ab)use from all the page-turning. I may have to get a couple more copies: one to have when this one wears out and another to give away. I won't review the book. I have nothing to compare it to. This is my very first book on TD, and it sure hits the spot. I know: between David's discography and Klaus' boot discography, a lot of the information is already in the archives. But there is something reassuring about holding in my hands a bound volume of 83 pages. Clearly well-researched, it puts it all together for me. It's about as up-to-date as November's ('97) concert schedule. Congratulations, Scott. It is clearly the result of a labor of love. To me, worth every single penny I paid for it. AndrewR From: tadream@c... 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Thank you. * Clients must prepay the first six months of service to qualify for one time free use of The Central Registry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 16, 1997 8:32 am Subject: Re: Virgin CD Artwork ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: Vic Rek > > I think I lost a post from a few days ago discussing the missing inner > artwork for CDs such as Tangram and Encore. > > Was it you Grant that mentioned this? Yes, it was. I've always been disappointed to get a CD with the absolute minimum of cover artwork/photos. I'm a bit loathe to get rid of my vinyl for this very reason (I'm taking my vinyl copy of Rubycon to the Glasgow gig in the hope of getting it signed by The Man). > Well, actually there is a CD release that has all the original artwork of > Tangram (the nice snow scenes) and Encore (the picture collage), and it's on > the Virgin/Victor Japanese releases. As always, why can the Japanese > release better artwork than the countries of the actual artists or origin of > release? I could never comprehend this ignorance - especially by Virgin! That's it in a nutshell - ignorance and lack of respect. I mean, you only have to look at the multitude of errors on Tangents and the SBM releases to see they don't give a damn. > By the way, I checked out 'Grunt's' webpage with the Tangram JPEG'S and his > photo - pretty cool - good job. Well, that's just the first draft, keep checking back ! > I actually downloaded the Tangram JPEGS, > not the personal photo (sorry Grant). :'( I'd be a bit worried if you actually HAD D/L'd it, to be honest ! Wait 'til I get some MPEG3 audio on it. I promise that it'll be worth downloading. BTW, would anyone be interested in a scan of the Encore inner sleeve artwork, the Cyclone inner sleeve or the full complement of nebulae from Phaedra ? If there's enough interest, I could maybe do it some time this week. Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 16, 1997 7:57 am Subject: Thanks for the Tangram images ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Kepler Thanks very much to Grant for putting up the Tangram images. The funny thing is, I bought Tangram when it was a new release LP release and my copy didn't have these very cool pictures. Mine just had a plain white inner sleeve, and the familiar red cover artwork with the tangram logo. Was this a european release thing? Was a a little slow and actually got a low-budget second pressing? Thanks again, and put up more of those rarities, please. I had to take down my 70-80 booklet images to make room for other stuff on my website, but I hope to put them back up, plus more, after I have negotiated a rate for more space with my ISP. Thanks, Michael Kepler From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 16, 1997 12:52 pm Subject: Re: Virgin CD Artwork ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: Grant Middleton > > >BTW, would anyone be interested in a scan of the Encore >inner sleeve artwork, the Cyclone inner sleeve or the >full complement of nebulae from Phaedra ? If there's >enough interest, I could maybe do it some time this week. > > Grunt > Yes, I'd be interested! Also could you scan the inside covers of 'Ages' and 'Macula Transfer'? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7136 Re: Virgin CD Artwork Grant Middleton Wed 9/17/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 16, 1997 12:55 pm Subject: tangram artwork ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers If anyone is dying to have the japanese tangram LP with the photo insert, you can get one for $20 from www.vinylvendors.com (e-mail: paul@v...) They take mc/visa and ship ups ;-( their service is just fine and I've ordered from them before. They have lots of other goodies as well. lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 16, 1997 1:48 pm Subject: House of the Rising Sun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dave Lane' 'House Of The Rising Sun' wasn't composed by Simon & Garfunkel or the Animals. It's a traditional folk tune. Bob Dylan did it before the Animals, and he supposedly learned it from Dave Van Ronk. I wouldn't mind hearing what TD's interpretation sounds like. --Dave Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7119 Re: House of the Rising Sun Sean Montgomery Tue 9/16/1997 4 KB 7122 Re: House of the Rising Sun Gabe Yedid Tue 9/16/1997 3 KB 7124 Re: House of the Rising Sun Sean Montgomery Wed 9/17/1997 3 KB 7130 Re: House of the Rising Sun Gabe Yedid Wed 9/17/1997 3 KB 7137 Re: House of the Rising Sun Grant Middleton Wed 9/17/1997 3 KB 7164 Re: House of the Rising Sun TWeibre361@a... Fri 9/19/1997 2 KB 7172 Re: House of the Rising Sun GrafZeigen@a... Fri 9/19/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 16, 1997 2:03 pm Subject: RE: WHAT ED WANTS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > Again with all the sell-out/crossover talk. Do you guys really think the Froese meister gives it >that much thought? Maybe his record company, but not him. I think the sell out/crossover bit is Did I ever say 'sell-out'? No. Am I accusing him of selling out? Not necessarily. Trying for more commercial appeal isn't a sell-out in my book, as long as they acknowledge it. Close, but not quite. The Sex Pistols sold out. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 16, 1997 2:07 pm Subject: RE: Scott Plumer's 'Mysterious Semblance' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >First of all: THANKS, Scott. I got home at 9:00 PM tonite and I Glad you enjoyed it. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 16, 1997 3:07 pm Subject: Re: House of the Rising Sun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > 'House Of The Rising Sun' wasn't composed by Simon & Garfunkel.. > I wouldn't mind hearing what TD's interpretation sounds like. It sounds like 'Optical Race' and 'Alexander Square'. They've sped it up, bathed it in cheesy electronic percussion and played the main melody with a flute-like sound. Fans of the Animals' version probably cringed in horror...but I suppose you can't accuse them of not making it sound like their own song. It fit in perfectly with what they were doing at the time...like Purple Haze fit on 220 Volt. I started a discussion some time ago about songs that you would *like* to see TD do. Personally, I'm tired of Edgar's pillaging of the 60s. Maybe he identifies with the 'everyone love your brother' vibe, but this era of music has nothing to do with where TD is at musically these days. Everything comes out sounding like musak. Just as Blues bands cover Blues standards, why can't TD throw in a classic of electronic music? Or even somthing more current. Couldn't you just picture Edgar and Jerome doing The Chemical Brothers 'Loops of Fury?' Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'A paranoiac is someone in possession of the facts' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7122 Re: House of the Rising Sun Gabe Yedid Tue 9/16/1997 3 KB 7124 Re: House of the Rising Sun Sean Montgomery Wed 9/17/1997 3 KB 7130 Re: House of the Rising Sun Gabe Yedid Wed 9/17/1997 3 KB 7137 Re: House of the Rising Sun Grant Middleton Wed 9/17/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 16, 1997 4:50 pm Subject: help ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fern=E1ndez?= I'm writing from Spain, Can anyone help me? I need the covers of the tangerine dream's albums: THE MAN INSIDE TANGERINE DREAM '70-'80 (the cover of the box) IN THE BEGINNING (the cover of the box) TANGERINE DREAM BOX (the cover of the box) THE STORY OF TANGERINE DREAM (the cover of each cd) ATMOSPHERICS THE BRICK: THE GRAMMY NOMINATED ALBUMS (the cover of the box) BEST OF (Canada) If you can send them to me, very very very much!!!!!! If you want some cover scanned of the rest of the albums, email me. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 16, 1997 12:55 pm Subject: Re: What Ed wants (Was: RE: Tournado) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox Jerome is going to have to get a _real_ job, pronto.' > >Phil Naunton > > JF: 'You want fries with that TD?' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 16, 1997 6:24 pm Subject: Re: House of the Rising Sun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > > Everything comes out sounding like musak. Just as Blues bands cover Blues > standards, why can't TD throw in a classic of electronic music? Or even > somthing more current. Couldn't you just picture Edgar and Jerome doing > The Chemical Brothers 'Loops of Fury?' So Chem Bros. fans can cringe in horror? ;) I'd like to hear 'em take a crack at the Aphex Twin's 'On'. Or maybe 'Science Friction' by Orbital (which already sounds a bit like the Canyon part of 'Mojave Plan')? > > Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR > Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7124 Re: House of the Rising Sun Sean Montgomery Wed 9/17/1997 3 KB 7130 Re: House of the Rising Sun Gabe Yedid Wed 9/17/1997 3 KB 7137 Re: House of the Rising Sun Grant Middleton Wed 9/17/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 16, 1997 6:59 pm Subject: Re: Optical Race Tour North America '88 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) > Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > On Sep 15, 10:43am, tadream mailing list wrote: > > Subject: Optical Race Tour North America '88 > > > > Really-From: '=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=3DE9_Ram=3DF3n?=3D' =2Ees> > > > > > > Hello, friends: > > > > Recently I bought the 8 tapes boots box 'Optical Race Tour North Am= > erica > > '88'. I studied it and these are the tracks with theirs times: > > > (...) > > 23. House Of The Rising Sun (Simon & Garfunkel) (7:09) > > > Hummm, Jos=E9, did you get this 'Simon & Garfunkel' credit from the tapes? > Because if you did, they are in error: 'House of the Rising Sun' is from > Eric Burdon & the Animals. > > > C.B. Vincent Goudreault > online since early 93, TD fan since 77 > first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Actually, 'House of the Rising Sun' is much older than that. I know that Joan Baez did a version before Eric Burdon & the Animals. The song has been passed down through the American folk music scene for many, many decades such that its true origin is probably lost to antiquity. Granted, most people identify the song with Eric Burdon & the Animals because of their psychedelic rock interpretation of this folk song. (And a good one at that!) Cheers, -Erik From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 16, 1997 8:32 pm Subject: Re: House of the Rising Sun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > Couldn't you just picture Edgar and Jerome doing > > The Chemical Brothers 'Loops of Fury?' > > So Chem Bros. fans can cringe in horror? ;) Okay...bad example! All the same, I think electonica is a better mate for TD than classic rock. Exhibit A: Dream Mixes. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'A paranoiac is someone in possession of the facts' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7130 Re: House of the Rising Sun Gabe Yedid Wed 9/17/1997 3 KB 7137 Re: House of the Rising Sun Grant Middleton Wed 9/17/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Inner Sleeve to Original STUNTMAN LP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Virgin CD Artwork >Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:52:39 -0400 (EDT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Vic Rek > >>Really-From: Grant Middleton >> >>BTW, would anyone be interested in a scan of the Encore >>inner sleeve artwork, the Cyclone inner sleeve or the >>full complement of nebulae from Phaedra ? If there's >>enough interest, I could maybe do it some time this week. > >Yes, I'd be interested! Also could you scan the inside covers of >'Ages' and 'Macula Transfer'? And while we're at it, there's a shitload of color photos on the cardstock inner sleeve to original UK copies of Edgar's STUNTMAN LP! Anyone feel like revving up their scanner for some of *these*? They are rather small, so even if there was/is a Japanese CD, the pictures would all be way too small to be able to really see anything on one of them. -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7126 Re: Inner Sleeve to Original STUNTMAN LP TangerineC@a... Wed 9/17/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 16, 1997 10:10 pm Subject: Re: Inner Sleeve to Original STUNTMAN LP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-09-16 18:06:30 EDT, you write: << >>BTW, would anyone be interested in a scan of the Encore >>inner sleeve artwork, the Cyclone inner sleeve or the >>full complement of nebulae from Phaedra ? If there's >>enough interest, I could maybe do it some time this week. > >> I'd be interested too! Please do! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: BAD TRADERS ALERT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) I hate having to do this, but... The following people bid for items from my auction, and have not only failed to send the money but have ignored several requests for reply. Therfore, their bids are forfiet, and they will no longer be allowed to trade with me, or others I know who take this stuff seriously: robert@i... ('Robert Schmenger') TangerineC@a... The moral is; Honor your commitments...or at least communicate! goozer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7132 Re: BAD TRADERS ALERT TangerineC@a... Wed 9/17/1997 3 KB 7139 Re: BAD TRADERS ALERT Francisco Salgado C. Thu 9/18/1997 3 KB 7146 Re: BAD TRADERS ALERT Hermes Guzman Thu 9/18/1997 5 KB 7162 Re: BAD TRADERS ALERT TangerineC@a... Thu 9/18/1997 3 KB 7202 Re: BAD TRADERS ALERT Vic Rek Sat 9/20/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 17, 1997 1:42 am Subject: Re: Virgin CD Artwork ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: jinsuk Kim >Really-From: Grant Middleton > > >Yes, it was. I've always been disappointed to get a CD with the >absolute minimum of cover artwork/photos. I'm a bit loathe to >get rid of my vinyl for this very reason (I'm taking my vinyl >copy of Rubycon to the Glasgow gig in the hope of getting it >signed by The Man). > >> Well, actually there is a CD release that has all the original artwork of >> Tangram (the nice snow scenes) and Encore (the picture collage), and it's on >> the Virgin/Victor Japanese releases. As always, why can the Japanese >> release better artwork than the countries of the actual artists or origin of >> release? I could never comprehend this ignorance - especially by Virgin! > >That's it in a nutshell - ignorance and lack of respect. I mean, >you only have to look at the multitude of errors on Tangents and >the SBM releases to see they don't give a damn. > > Actually, it looks like we always get torn between two choices: Japanese CD with faithfully recovered LP inner sleeve photos and detailed liner notes for higher price(sometimes more than $10!), or imported ones from other countries with only plain, thin-like-a-piece-of-wafer cover image. It surely depends on customer's preference. As for me, after the long thought in front of those CD's, I would rather have chosen the latter, the reason for which is clear: MONEY :-< Hey Grant, the Tangram photos on your site were so cool!!! Keep going!!!! jinsuk Kim jindor@m... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 17, 1997 2:08 am Subject: US Subscribers: Windspell is having a sale, but HURRY! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Shipley Commercial plug follows, but it is just to help you folks save some coin. Doing this as a service to you, no profit to be gained by me for doing this... I found a flyer in the mailbox yesterday from Windspell Music (y'know, Mike Garrisons' business?). Now through the end of this week, he is blowing out all of his inventory to make way for new releases, get ready for the holiday season, be able to devote some time to his next release, etc, etc. He is knocking anywhere from two to eight dollars off of his stock, but only through this Friday. If you want to flesh out your collection or try a new artist or two, give him a buzz pronto! If you don't have one of his catalogs, just ask him what you are looking for. Tell him you heard about it from the TD or GoldTri mailing list... Phone number is 1-800-597-WIND. Happy hunting! Craig 'Ship' Shipley From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 17, 1997 2:52 am Subject: Re: House of the Rising Sun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > > > > Couldn't you just picture Edgar and Jerome doing > > > The Chemical Brothers 'Loops of Fury?' > > > > So Chem Bros. fans can cringe in horror? ;) > > Okay...bad example! All the same, I think electonica is a better mate for > TD than classic rock. Exhibit A: Dream Mixes. Well, I think that TD could do a half-decent job (and maybe improve?) 'Astronomy Domine'. I don't think it's that they can't/shouldn't do classic rock, just that their choices were pretty bad. They had a winner in 'Purple Haze' IMO, but the other stuff they've covered hasn't been too impressive. Or how about.... (Gabe visulalizes Ed and Jerome coming on stage with their hair tied in dreadlocks....) 'ey, stand up fo' jah rights, mon! ;) ;) > Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR > http://www.topix.com/~sean > Gabe who anxiously awaits and has high hopes for Dream Mixes 2 and learned to tolerate (and maybe enjoy) reggae this summer real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7137 Re: House of the Rising Sun Grant Middleton Wed 9/17/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 17, 1997 5:13 am Subject: Re: Optical Race Tour North America '88 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-09-16 06:31:53 EDT, you write: << > > 23. House Of The Rising Sun (Simon & Garfunkel) (7:09) > > >Hummm, José, did you get this 'Simon & Garfunkel' credit from the tapes? >Because if you did, they are in error: 'House of the Rising Sun' is from >Eric Burdon & the Animals. >> I'm not positive about this information, but I think this song was written by Buffy St. Marie back in the early Sixties. It was Folk Music back then and sounded like it. The original song was about a prostitute in 'The House Of The Rising Sun'. 'It's been the ruin of many a poor _girl_ (!).......' The Burdon rendition has always bothered me because prostitution doesn't ruin that many _boys_. And those few probably get over it. ;-) Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 17, 1997 8:38 am Subject: Re: BAD TRADERS ALERT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-09-16 23:45:37 EDT, you write: << I hate having to do this, but... The following people bid for items from my auction, and have not only failed to send the money but have ignored several requests for reply. Therfore, their bids are forfiet, and they will no longer be allowed to trade with me, or others I know who take this stuff seriously: robert@i... ('Robert Schmenger') TangerineC@a... >> So why make this evident on the TD list? No one gives a shit who did'nt pay! You should have e-mailed these people privately. And maybe, possibly, did you ever stop to think I did'nt get your e-mails because I was away and could'nt get online? I guess not. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 17, 1997 9:17 am Subject: pictures ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Armin Theissen Hi, I put the pictures of the 70-80 box set booklet on a web page at http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/td/td7080.html There are actually much more pictures in this booklet. It would be cool to have the pics of the Encore and - especially - Cyclone inner sleeve as well. For the Cyclone pic: scan it in big big format in high res!!!!! I'll try to get the inner sleeve of 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale' signed by Jerome. I'm curious about his reaction... cheers armin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7134 Re: pictures Pajakko Riku Wed 9/17/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: RE:pictures ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Pajakko Riku' tadream mailing list: >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: Armin Theissen > > >Hi, > >I put the pictures of the 70-80 box set booklet on a web page at >http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/td/td7080.html >There are actually much more pictures in this booklet. > >It would be cool to have the pics of the Encore and - especially - >Cyclone inner sleeve as well. For the Cyclone pic: scan it in >big big format in high res!!!!! > >I'll try to get the inner sleeve of 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale' >signed by Jerome. I'm curious about his reaction... > > >cheers > >armin > > Hmm... has anyone ever considered the fact whether it is legal or not to publish those pictures in www-pages...? Aren't they under the copyright laws just like any other written, drawn, taped or otherwise published material....? _____________________________________________________________________ Riku Pajakko, ICL Data Oy, PL 253, 65101 Vaasa, FINLAND Puh. +358-6-346 5634, GSM +358-40-557 4855, F +358-6-346 5743, X.400: G=riku;S=pajakko;O=icl;OU1=fin2301;P=icl;A=elisa;C=fi email: riku.pajakko@i... _____________________________________________________________________ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 17, 1997 11:47 am Subject: RARE SINGLE ON SALE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'LUIS F. TORRE LAVIN' Hi, I have a rare promo white label Spanish single with J.M. Jarre performing. JEREMIAH AND THE SLAGS: Slag THE SUPERFLY: Zig-Zag (the instrumental version) It was released early in 1973 for promotional purposes. The A-side is played by 2 TRIANGLE members with Jarre on keyboards and production. The B-side (Zig-Zag) is the famous Superfly version of Zig-Zag. This piece is also included in the bootleg CD RARITIES 2, but the SLAG piece is not available on any CD, as far as I know. It is very similar to Zig Zag, but I think it is far better, in terms of production and music quality. THE COVER OF THIS SINGLE IS FEATURED IN THE RARITIES 2 BOKKLET (but the colour is not yellow. It is almost grey) Besides this rare single, I am willing to trade-sell my whole JARRE collection, including bootlegs, original LPs and CDs. Write me if you are interested. BYE LFT Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7138 Re: RARE SINGLE ON SALE LUIS F. TORRE LAVIN Thu 9/18/1997 5 KB 7143 Re: RARE SINGLE ON SALE Jorge Moreira Sat 8/2/1997 5 KB 7148 Re: RARE SINGLE ON SALE Donald A. Fennimore Thu 9/18/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 17, 1997 8:58 am Subject: Re: Virgin CD Artwork ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: Vic Rek > > >Really-From: Grant Middleton > > > >BTW, would anyone be interested in a scan of the Encore > >inner sleeve artwork, the Cyclone inner sleeve or the > >full complement of nebulae from Phaedra ? > > Yes, I'd be interested! OK, I'll try and get them scanned and uploaded some time this week, hopefully (only so many hours in the day, and all that...). > Also could you scan the inside covers of 'Ages' and > 'Macula Transfer'? I'm afraid I don't have either of these on vinyl. If anyone wants to send me the scans by e-mail I could upload them onto my web site, though. Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 17, 1997 8:54 am Subject: Re: House of the Rising Sun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > > Okay...bad example! All the same, I think electonica is a better mate for > > TD than classic rock. Exhibit A: Dream Mixes. I think TD just don't 'get' the whole dance scene. Dream mixes is dull, dull, dull when compared to the Chemical Bros, the Prodigy, Fluke, Underworld, etc. > Or how about.... > > (Gabe visulalizes Ed and Jerome coming on stage with their hair tied in > dreadlocks....) > > 'ey, stand up fo' jah rights, mon! ;) ;) Now this isn't too bad an idea, in truth. Reggae was responsible for 'dub', which was one of the most important elements in much of the trance/ambient scene. Both of the Froeses are pretty loose and laid-back in their playing, too; I think even a 50-something Edgar could summon enough strength to 'skank his axe' on the off- beat. Jah power ! Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 17, 1997 4:54 pm Subject: Re: RARE SINGLE ON SALE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'LUIS F. TORRE LAVIN' Solo para publico espanol.... COMPRA-VENTA-INTERCAMBIO DE MATERIAL PROGRESIVO: Si tienes material raro, inedito o interesante de VANGELIS, JARRE, OLDFIELD o rock progresivo-sinfonico-electronico en general, mandame tu catalogo (SINGLES, PROMOS, BOOTLEGS, VIDEOS,...) Compro singles espanoles de YES (y cercanos), tanto normales como promo, solo en buen estado. Bien Pagaos!!. TAMBIEN LPS de VANGELIS y singles. Aqui va mi lista de Vangelis por ahora. Pocas copias de cada ejemplar, por lo general una de los vinilos. VANGELIS EN VENTA/INTERCAMBIO: CD SEX POWER. Odyssey ALE 1970/1997. 3900 Ptas LP HYPOTHESIS. Affinity/Auvi ESP 1971/1978. 5600 Ptas CD HYPOTHESIS. Odyssey ALE 1971/1997. 3900 Ptas LP THE DRAGON. Charly/Auvi ESP 1971/1980. 6400 Ptas CD THE DRAGON. Odyssey ALE 1971/1997. 3900 Ptas LP FAIS QUE TON REVE SOIT PLUS LONG QUE LA NUIT. WEA/Reprise FR1971/1979. CD FAIS QUE TON REVE SOIT PLUS LONG QUE LA NUIT. Odyssey ALE 1971/97.3900 LP LAPOCALYPSE DES ANIMAUX. Polydor ESP 1973/1980. 1000 Ptas LP EARTH. Vertigo FR 1973 (reedicion???). 15000 Ptas CD EARTH. HF ALE 1973/1995. 3000 Ptas CD EARTH. Odyssey ALE 1973/1997. 3900 Ptas CD LA FETE SAUVAGE/ENTENDS-TU LES CHIENS ABOYER?. CAM/SONY ESP 1997 1200 P LP HEAVEN AND HELL. RCA ESP 1976. 400 Ptas CD THE SKY AND HIS SHADOW (JON ANDERSON). Underworld FR 1975/1996. 2900 P LP LA FETE SAUVAGE. CAM ESP 1976/1979. 1200 Ptas LP ALBEDO 0.39. RCA ESP 1976. 600 Ptas CD ALBEDO 0.30. RCA/BMG. 1200 Ptas CD IGNACIO. USA Barcley 1977. 1500 Ptas LP SPIRAL. RCA ESP 1978. 700 Ptas LP BEAUBOURG. RCA ESP 1978. 600 Ptas CD ODES. Spheric/Polydor 1978. 1600 Ptas LP THE BEST OF VANGELIS. RCA ESP 1978. 1000 Ptas LP CHINA. Polydor ESP 1979. 3600 Ptas LP SHORT STORIES. Polydor ESP 1980. 1600 Ptas LP SEE YOU LATER. Polydor ESP 1980. 1300 Ptas LP CHARIOTS OF FIRE. Polydor ESP 1981. 1000 ptas LP THE FRIENDS OF MR CAIRO. Polydor ESP 1982. 1300 Ptas CD GREATEST HITS (2CDs). RCA/BMG ALE 1981/91. 3400 Ptas CD BLADE RUNNER (bootleg). Odyssey ALE 1982/1997. 3900 Ptas LP PRIVATE COLLECTION. Polydor ESP 1983. 1400 Ptas LP ANTARCTICA. Polydor ESP 1983/88. 1700 ptas LP SOIL FESTIVITIES. Polydor ESP 1984. 1300 Ptas LP THE BEST OF J&V. Polydor ESP 1984. 1400 Ptas CD THE BEST OF J&V. Polydor ALE. 1300 Ptas LP MASK. Polydor ESp 1985. 1300 Ptas LP DIRECT. Arista ESP 1988. 900 Ptas CD DIRECT. Arista ALE 1988. 1500 Ptas LP THEMES. Polydor ESP 1989. 800 Ptas LP THE CITY. Warner ALE 1990. 1400 Ptas CD THE CITY. Warner ALE 1990. 1300 Ptas CD HYMNE. Polygram/Planeta 1992. ???? Ptas CD 1492. Warner ALE 1992. 2200 Ptas CD BLADE RUNNER. Warner ALE 1994. 2000 Ptas CD VOICES. Warner ALE 1995.2000 Ptas CD A TRIBUTE TO EL GRECO. Odyssey ALE 1995/97. 3900 Ptas CD PORTRAITS. Polydor ALE 1996. 2700 Ptas CD OCEANIC. Warner ALE 1996. 1000 Ptas CD HIGH IN THE SKY (2CDs). Odyssey ALE 1997. 6500 Ptas Singles: Heaven And Hell Part1 mas la proxima vez... saludos From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 17, 1997 4:37 pm Subject: Re: BAD TRADERS ALERT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > > I hate having to do this, but... If you hat it don't do it. > The following people bid for items from my auction, and have not only > failed to send the money but have ignored several requests for reply. I agree with tangerine@a..., there are a bunch of reasons why a trade could go wrong, and this is an accepted risk when doing trades, at least for me. This forum is not the proper place to accuse somebody and become judge and executioner at the same time. > Therfore, their bids are forfiet, and they will no longer be allowed to > trade with me, or others I know who take this stuff seriously: It's too arrogant from your side to say this. Are you the Key master ? Seriously sorry for the flame, but I hate black lists and don't like everyone to promote them. > The moral is; Honor your commitments...or at least communicate! > The moral is do your business privately, don't judge and you don't be judged,Don't use black lists, don't allow others to do it. Dialog is better than swords. ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 17, 1997 4:51 pm Subject: Scan and See ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Hi, everybodreamers! There is plenty pictures featuring in the LP and not the CD: In the beginning (6 LP box set) atem (verso : lineup) zeit (inner sleeve in COLOR!) alpha centauri / atem (inner sleeve) risky business (verso) near dark (verso : 5 pics) legend (verso : 3 pics + brian ferry) wuivend riet (verso : johannes with hands in his pockets) 3 o'clock high (verso : 12 pics) poland (5 pics on the thin sleeves) solo (edgar best of '74-'79) I've got an A4 scanner ... not very simple to scan 2x30 cm for the inner sleeves but no problem with the rest. Is anybody interested? I may construct my own web page but somebody may tell me the fastest way to do it (e-mail me and you'll be my teacher! all a program!) thanks for each answer (please e-mail offlist) regards to all. fred Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7336 Re: Scan and See Michael Fox Wed 10/1/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 17, 1997 3:17 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream: Der Meteor soundtrack ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@c...> Hey folks, Now here's one that snuck up and blindsided us! Check out the Voiceprint UK Web site for yet another TDI release. Anyone out there have any idea what this is? Looks like a German TV show or film? Funny that TD didn't even mention this on their homepage yet.... --John ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor (1997) £ 12.95 Originalmusik: Tangerine Dream Track Listing 1. Haus der Welt I 2 ' 24 ' 2. Ein Traum 2 ' 55 ' 3. Am Hafen 3 ' 11 ' 4. Unheimliches passiert 5 ' 16 ' 5. Der Professor 3 ' 00 ' 6. Das Buch Midrad 4 ' 22 ' 7. In der Bibliothek 6 ' 08 ' 8. Der Heliograph 2 ' 28 ' 9. Die Helden der Stadt 5 ' 04 ' 10. Im Labor 1 ' 46 ' 11. Haus der Welt II 6 ' 25 ' total playing time : 42 ' 59' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 17, 1997 8:13 pm Subject: wavelength pirate cd sought ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers I'm looking for a copy of the wavelength pirate CD (pink color?) please email me off-list, thanks lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7145 Re: wavelength pirate cd sought TangerineC@a... Thu 9/18/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 1, 1997 9:02 pm Subject: Re: RARE SINGLE ON SALE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jorge Moreira Olá Luis. É mesmo só para público espanol? E para os portugueses não é? Um Abraço, Jorge Moreira. ######################################################################## > Really-From: 'LUIS F. TORRE LAVIN' > > Solo para publico espanol.... > > COMPRA-VENTA-INTERCAMBIO DE MATERIAL PROGRESIVO: > > Si tienes material raro, inedito o interesante de VANGELIS, JARRE, > OLDFIELD o rock progresivo-sinfonico-electronico en general, mandame tu > catalogo (SINGLES, PROMOS, BOOTLEGS, VIDEOS,...) > > Compro singles espanoles de YES (y cercanos), tanto normales como promo, > solo en buen estado. Bien Pagaos!!. TAMBIEN LPS de VANGELIS y singles. > > Aqui va mi lista de Vangelis por ahora. Pocas copias de cada ejemplar, por > lo general una de los vinilos. > > VANGELIS EN VENTA/INTERCAMBIO: > > CD SEX POWER. Odyssey ALE 1970/1997. 3900 Ptas > LP HYPOTHESIS. Affinity/Auvi ESP 1971/1978. 5600 Ptas > CD HYPOTHESIS. Odyssey ALE 1971/1997. 3900 Ptas > LP THE DRAGON. Charly/Auvi ESP 1971/1980. 6400 Ptas > CD THE DRAGON. Odyssey ALE 1971/1997. 3900 Ptas > LP FAIS QUE TON REVE SOIT PLUS LONG QUE LA NUIT. WEA/Reprise FR1971/1979. > CD FAIS QUE TON REVE SOIT PLUS LONG QUE LA NUIT. Odyssey ALE 1971/97.3900 > LP LAPOCALYPSE DES ANIMAUX. Polydor ESP 1973/1980. 1000 Ptas > LP EARTH. Vertigo FR 1973 (reedicion???). 15000 Ptas > CD EARTH. HF ALE 1973/1995. 3000 Ptas > CD EARTH. Odyssey ALE 1973/1997. 3900 Ptas > CD LA FETE SAUVAGE/ENTENDS-TU LES CHIENS ABOYER?. CAM/SONY ESP 1997 1200 P > LP HEAVEN AND HELL. RCA ESP 1976. 400 Ptas > CD THE SKY AND HIS SHADOW (JON ANDERSON). Underworld FR 1975/1996. 2900 P > LP LA FETE SAUVAGE. CAM ESP 1976/1979. 1200 Ptas > LP ALBEDO 0.39. RCA ESP 1976. 600 Ptas > CD ALBEDO 0.30. RCA/BMG. 1200 Ptas > CD IGNACIO. USA Barcley 1977. 1500 Ptas > LP SPIRAL. RCA ESP 1978. 700 Ptas > LP BEAUBOURG. RCA ESP 1978. 600 Ptas > CD ODES. Spheric/Polydor 1978. 1600 Ptas > LP THE BEST OF VANGELIS. RCA ESP 1978. 1000 Ptas > LP CHINA. Polydor ESP 1979. 3600 Ptas > LP SHORT STORIES. Polydor ESP 1980. 1600 Ptas > LP SEE YOU LATER. Polydor ESP 1980. 1300 Ptas > LP CHARIOTS OF FIRE. Polydor ESP 1981. 1000 ptas > LP THE FRIENDS OF MR CAIRO. Polydor ESP 1982. 1300 Ptas > CD GREATEST HITS (2CDs). RCA/BMG ALE 1981/91. 3400 Ptas > CD BLADE RUNNER (bootleg). Odyssey ALE 1982/1997. 3900 Ptas > LP PRIVATE COLLECTION. Polydor ESP 1983. 1400 Ptas > LP ANTARCTICA. Polydor ESP 1983/88. 1700 ptas > LP SOIL FESTIVITIES. Polydor ESP 1984. 1300 Ptas > LP THE BEST OF J&V. Polydor ESP 1984. 1400 Ptas > CD THE BEST OF J&V. Polydor ALE. 1300 Ptas > LP MASK. Polydor ESp 1985. 1300 Ptas > LP DIRECT. Arista ESP 1988. 900 Ptas > CD DIRECT. Arista ALE 1988. 1500 Ptas > LP THEMES. Polydor ESP 1989. 800 Ptas > LP THE CITY. Warner ALE 1990. 1400 Ptas > CD THE CITY. Warner ALE 1990. 1300 Ptas > CD HYMNE. Polygram/Planeta 1992. ???? Ptas > CD 1492. Warner ALE 1992. 2200 Ptas > CD BLADE RUNNER. Warner ALE 1994. 2000 Ptas > CD VOICES. Warner ALE 1995.2000 Ptas > CD A TRIBUTE TO EL GRECO. Odyssey ALE 1995/97. 3900 Ptas > CD PORTRAITS. Polydor ALE 1996. 2700 Ptas > CD OCEANIC. Warner ALE 1996. 1000 Ptas > CD HIGH IN THE SKY (2CDs). Odyssey ALE 1997. 6500 Ptas > > Singles: > > Heaven And Hell Part1 > mas la proxima vez... > saludos From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 17, 1997 9:17 pm Subject: tad thanks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS I just wanted to thank all the tadreamers out there for the fine reading, and also for all the information bout my fav group. I never had the chance to come across any rare tapes/cds before and now I have several thanks to you fine folks!!! again just a quick thanks. By the way, does anyone have any info on how to get a copy of this park is mine or the soldier in their original video /laser packaging, perhaps a copy to sell even(tho originals are preferred). I have several of their other films on laser and would be glad to copy any of em for you guys. thanks! chris From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 17, 1997 10:00 pm Subject: Re: wavelength pirate cd sought ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... what is the difference between the real release and the pirate cd? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: BAD TRADERS ALERT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all- >Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' >> Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) >> >> I hate having to do this, but... > >If you hat it don't do it. I hate doing dishes, too, but if I don't do them they don't get done. In the same respect, if I don't hold someone accountable, in whatever manner seems appropriate to the situation, then others may suffer the same fate. And judging from what I've heard privately, my response was dead on. >> The following people bid for items from my auction, and have not only >> failed to send the money but have ignored several requests for reply. > >I agree with tangerine@a..., there are a bunch of reasons why a trade >could go >wrong, and this is an accepted risk when doing trades, at least for me. >This forum >is not the proper place to accuse somebody and become judge and >executioner at the >same time. Here is the text of the final message sent to both on 9/1/97: ++++ Hello- I still haven't received your payment for the item bid on, nor have I heard from you otherwise. If there's a question or a problem, please let me know. Believe me, I'll understand! Otherwise, if I haven't heard from you by next Sat., I'll consider the bid forfiet, and repost the item for sale. ++++ This was after at least two previous e-mails to each. As you can see I asked for dialog, and would've understood any difficulties on their end. And since TangerineC has posted to this list during this time, I find it difficult to believe that he didn't get any of the messages. >> Therfore, their bids are forfiet, and they will no longer be allowed to >> trade with me, or others I know who take this stuff seriously: > >It's too arrogant from your side to say this. Are you the Key master ? No, but in the trading community _no one_ deals with a bad trader. So where's the arrogance in stating simple fact? >Seriously sorry for the flame, but I hate black lists and don't like >everyone to >promote them. I don't like them either, but would you rather be burned or warned? >> The moral is; Honor your commitments...or at least communicate! >> > >The moral is do your business privately, don't judge and you don't be >judged,Don't use black lists, don't allow others to do it. Dialog is >better than >swords. See above as regards dialog. And believe me, I expect to be held to the same standard as I promote. goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Logotypes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! I may have found a source for acquiring this disc! E-mail me _privately off list_ for details... goozer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7613 Logotypes Hilmar Kraft Thu 10/9/1997 3 KB 11823 Logotypes Armin Theissen Mon 3/9/1998 3 KB 20615 Re: Logotypes Antonio Nunes Sat 1/29/2000 2 KB 33991 Logotypes Morgan Feldon Fri 5/17/2002 3 KB 33993 Re: Logotypes Dennis Nigbur Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 18, 1997 12:38 am Subject: Re: RARE SINGLE ON SALE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Donald A. Fennimore' On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, LUIS F. TORRE LAVIN wrote: I don't usually crosspost but today I'll make an exception. Earlier this year I got majorly burned in a trade with this guy. If you want the details, send me a private e-mail and I'll tell you about it. In short, beware. Cheers, Don From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 18, 1997 12:51 am Subject: Movies ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ian Shillingford Previously on TADREAM... >Also ,how many of you guys collect the films themselves. TD always seems to >be mentioned on my laser sleeves and video sleeves of the films. I personally >think FLASHPOINT on laser in simulated surround on a 53 inch is heaven, but >then again anything with em is! > Thanks again for all the fine reading! > Christopher > bruno@c... Well, I enjoy The Keep quite a bit (I keep thinking Lance Hendrikson would be perfect as the Keeper). I guess the Jerry Goldsmith version of Legend wouldn't count! The others, especially Sorcerer and The Park is Mine, I'd like to see but aren't easily found - and probably won't appear on TV here. Oh well, I'll keep looking. -Ian From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 18, 1997 1:57 am Subject: Redshift copies still available ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PhilPDX@a... For those of you recently complaining that the first Redshift disc is out of print, I just received my copy today from Backroads (see Ash? I DO put my money where my mouth is! :-) 1-800-767-4748 I don't know how many they have left. It sure sounds good, though. Phil Derby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 18, 1997 7:30 am Subject: Tournado Available in the States ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Grabowsky As of Sept.30, 1997 Minette Music will have Tangerine Dream's Tournado CD available. The cost including shipping will be $15.98.This price will be good thru Oct. 30,1997. Contact Dave at 1-505-882-4830. Enjoy, Robert From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 18, 1997 7:41 am Subject: Copyright and Trader Police ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Kepler Regarding the 70-80 booklet photos. Hey, those are my scans. Thank you very much for putting them up on your site. I couldn't keep them up on mine because of webspace limitations. I was hoping someone would do this, but I didn't want to suggest it for fear of alerting the copyright police. To the image copyright police: Yes, it's probably technically illegal, but... the world is full of people practicing conditional ethics and this almost certainly includes yourself. Ask yourself this: who is being hurt by someone posting some photos to the web which haven't been printed/published in _over_ 15 _years_? The answer: nobody. This is just a few hardcore fans trading rare artifacts of their shared object of interest. Nobody is making or losing any money here. Regarding 'bad traders' Just casting my vote with the others: that was a tacky tactic. For goodness sakes, you make it sound like these people stole something from you! They never received anything from you and they owe you nothing. A bad trader is someone who receives something in trade but never sends the item the offered in return. The cases you are citing are not of this nature. And have some patience. I'm involved in a number of trades that have been in progress for _months_. People have jobs and lives and can't always make as much time as they would like for following through on things like trades. There is one guy I sent a tape to and he took _several_ months to send me back the tape he had offered. I could have publicly trashed his reputation and burned my bridges with him, but instead I was patient and the tape I finally got was _well_ worth the wait. And there's stuff I'm way behind in sending out to a couple of people, but they're cutting me some slack, too. So my bottom line here to the copyright police and the trader police: don't worry, be happy, and be nice Michael Kepler P.S. Yes, Rob, most patient man in the world, I remember what I owe you. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 18, 1997 10:41 am Subject: New Virgin inner sleeve scans ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton Ok people, Point your browsers at :- http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9240/ I've updated the index page, so if your browser has a cache, you might need to hit the 'reload' button if you've been there recently. In the DOWNLOAD AREA you'll find scans from the inner sleeves of Cyclone, Encore, Phaedra and Tangram. They are scanned left to right in incresing numbers (my scanner is just A4 sized). I've also uploaded a couple of segments from my CD in MPEG3 format. Please try them out so I can tell if the encoding process worked correctly. As ever, enjoy ! Grunt PS I'd love to see Jerome's face if he signed 'Epsilon', too ! We could all bring our copies of it to the Glasgow gig for a laugh. :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7154 Re: New Virgin inner sleeve scans jinsuk Kim Fri 9/19/1997 3 KB 7155 Re: New Virgin inner sleeve scans Grant Middleton Thu 9/18/1997 4 KB 7156 Re: New Virgin inner sleeve scans Francisco Salgado C. Thu 9/18/1997 3 KB 7160 Re: New Virgin inner sleeve scans Grant Middleton Thu 9/18/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 18, 1997 10:49 am Subject: Re: New Virgin inner sleeve scans ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: jinsuk Kim > >Ok people, > >Point your browsers at :- > > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9240/ > Hey Grant, you did a good job!!! Guest what I'm doing. I'm stitching the downloaded images into original sleeve picture using Photoshop. But it's not easy as you might think. It's like a hard-to-solve tangram :-) And, who was the first to visit his homepage after he attached visiter counter? I was the 3rd :-) jinsuk Kim jindor@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7155 Re: New Virgin inner sleeve scans Grant Middleton Thu 9/18/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 18, 1997 12:46 pm Subject: Re: New Virgin inner sleeve scans ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: jinsuk Kim Pardon my ignorance, but should I refer to you as 'jinsuk' or as 'Kim' ? > Hey Grant, you did a good job!!! Well, thank you. It's a labour of love ! > Guest what I'm doing. I'm stitching the > downloaded images into original sleeve picture > using Photoshop. But it's not > easy as you might think. I shied away from that task after thinking about how 'easy' it would be ! :-( Best of luck to you ! > And, who was the first to visit his homepage after he attached visiter > counter? I was the 3rd :-) I was visitor #2, as my first 'visit' to the counter was when I initialised it ! So you were the first 'real' visitor to my updated site ! That means you get a free coupon book with 10% savings on potatoes, chicken nuggets and baked beans. Redeemable any time after the year 2010. Come on, people, let's see how high we can make the counter ! GeoCities might give me more Web space (currently, I've got 2Mb) if they see that the site is popular. That means even more space for scans, MPEG3 audio, MIDI files, interviews, etc. Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 18, 1997 1:14 pm Subject: Re: New Virgin inner sleeve scans ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' ------------- > Really-From: Grant Middleton > Come on, people, let's see how high we can make the counter ! > GeoCities might give me more Web space (currently, I've got > 2Mb) if they see that the site is popular. That means even > more space for scans, MPEG3 audio, MIDI files, interviews, > etc. Well since you need a bit of help I suggest everybody who goes there to RELOAD 10 times and then every visit count as 10. ;-]) Serieously, I've bell nr 11 and 12 ( i did reload once) Thanks for the images. I'll have a surprise for everybody in the form of a mp3 wave file of an unreleased encore.( maybe this afternoon) ---Francisco Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7160 Re: New Virgin inner sleeve scans Grant Middleton Thu 9/18/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 18, 1997 2:03 pm Subject: Paris Edge or Cliffs of Sydney ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek A CD-R is out called 'Paris 'Edge'. It states live 1986, so I assume it's from the March 31, 1986 show at Olympique, Paris, France. The CD-R comes with a color front insert (not impressive), and no tray insert. The disc itself has very minimal information printed on it. The sound quality is very very good, but it looks like a re-issue/consolidation/re-hash of Disk 3 from '3 Tier Dream' and '3 Tier Dream on!'. Now a question: The '3 tier Dream On!' CD boot states on the back insert that it is a 'pre-release version of 'Cliffs of Sydney''. So is this 'Paris Edge' CD-R the 'Cliffs of Sydney' I have heard about or mentioned on the back of '3 Tier Dream On!'? I'm very curious. I would appreciate any additional release information on these CD-Rs, such as country of origin and number of copies issued, etc. Thanks, Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7169 Re: Paris Edge or Cliffs of Sydney Dave Brewer Fri 9/19/1997 3 KB 7176 Re: Paris Edge or Cliffs of Sydney Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 9/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 18, 1997 2:29 pm Subject: a'dam eve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> I've got one copy of the 2cdr 'a'dam eve' to sell or trade -- if anyone is interested, please contact me OFF LIST for details. This 2CDR is limited to 33 numbered copies & has the full 4.20.97 amsterdam concert on it (including the vintage set) and great artwork. lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 18, 1997 2:29 pm Subject: TD in utero ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers I'm looking for suggestions for TD (and related e-music) to play to a baby in utero. Before you think I'm nuts, let me say there is evidence that suggests playing music during pregnancy (beginning at the end of the 4th month or early 5th when hearing develops) seems to help brain development. Once babies begin to hear, some researchers suggests, they also begin the language acquisition process and the brain becomes familiar with the sounds of its environment long before birth. A Russian researcher and an American researcher have both experimented with this for at least 10 years. The Russian plays classical music and the American uses a set of tapes based on the sound of the mother's heart beating (the first sound the baby hears); each tape adds progressively more complex permutations of the heartbeat rhythm that are mathematically based; here, it is the rhythm that is thought important. Both have had similar results and some think that it is just aural stimulation of any sort that helps. I personally believe there is something to the idea of music and rhythm that helps hardwire the brain more effectively. I also tend to agree with the suggestion that it is repetitivity (playing the same material or a slight variation of it each time) that helps the brain slowly develop the hardwiring necessary to digest it. With this in mind, to our first child, we played Michael Shreeve's Transfer Station Blue (talk about rhythmic complexity!) and TD's Force Majeure. It's probably impossible to know if it had any effect on him although his language skills are very advanced for his age (2) which is what both the Russian and American researcher found in their long-term studies. Our methodology was to play the tape in a small handheld player resting on my wife's abdomen each evening throughout the last 5 months of her pregnancy at roughly the same time. We noticed that our son really responded to the music and became really active, sometimes even kicking the tape player off of her... Since joining us on the outside, he hasn't yet shown any affinity for E-music and is into Pooh and the Lion King soundtracks now; when he comes home from day care, he often points to the stereo (usually playing TD) and says 'want it off!' Oh well, what's a dad to do? Anyway, we'd like to try this again with our next one (in his/her fourth month in utero now) and I thought we might try to make a different tape this time so I'm asking you listees for suggestions. Has anyone else tried this? If so, do you have any comments? A few guidelines for making suggestions: -- The real early stuff (EM-Phaedra) is out since it lacks any readily definable rhythm (or enough of one) and much of the finer sounds may be lost 'in transmission' (remember, to the baby, this will probably sound like a bad fan-tape recorded deep inside someone's pack back;-) I also think that it should be simple enough to grasp the 'concept' of it as a unique sound construct quickly and to be able to focus on it (and eventually to recognize it) each time. I think the longer pieces would work better but am not against stringing together a compiliation of rhythmically similar but shorter pieces. I'd also like to stay away from 'darker' music (Schulze's Moondawn, a personal favorite, comes to mind as something I'd personally rule out). So, dreamers, any suggestions? Post them to the list (unless someone objects) or off-list. I'll post the results in about 4-6 weeks and let you know what made the cut. thanks lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7192 Re: TD in utero Grant Middleton Fri 9/19/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 18, 1997 3:51 pm Subject: Re: New Virgin inner sleeve scans ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > > Well since you need a bit of help I suggest everybody who goes there to > RELOAD 10 times and then every visit count as 10. ;-]) Unfortunately, GeoCities only count one visit from a node every half hour, so it doesn't matter how many times you reload within that time. Nice thought, though ! :-) Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 18, 1997 2:14 am Subject: GRAF ZEIGEN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: onv@u... Dear Graf, please give me a sign. Your AOL e-mail address seems to be dead. Thank you for understanding ! Bogdan,Romania ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7173 Re: GRAF ZEIGEN GrafZeigen@a... Fri 9/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 18, 1997 4:41 pm Subject: Re: BAD TRADERS ALERT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... In a message dated 97-09-17 21:47:35 EDT, you write: << hate doing dishes, too, but if I don't do them they don't get done. In the same respect, if I don't hold someone accountable, in whatever manner seems appropriate to the situation, then others may suffer the same fate. And judging from what I've heard privately, my response was dead on. >> Really? what have you heard? Who was the little weasel on this list? since your giving out names, you can tell me. Obviously you did'nt talk to everyone on this list I did business with. I sent them there money within that week. So I would say i'm good for the money. <> Well i'm glad you stand for quality, as the illegal material you were selling. ;) Such high standards for a guy who auctions bootlegs. Let's get seriuos now, o.k.? Jeezzz!!!! It's not like it's the end of the world. Take a vacation. You'll find someone else quick to buy it, i'm sure. Although, i've found it ten dollars cheaper than what you were selling it for. And now because of the mudslinging you started(Goozer), I must apologize to the TD list for going off the topic. I had to take action, if my name is being badmouthed. And I want everyone to know on this list that if they have something I want, I buy it. I've done many transactions with people on this list and it went fine. Goozer just needs to take life a little less seriously. The End. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 18, 1997 11:59 am Subject: House o/t Rising Son again ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox From my Phonolog of 1990: Writing credits for HotRS: Dylan credited to Dylan. Animals credited to Alan Price (who I think played kb for awhile) Most of the folkies credits to Ray-White-Holmes. THAT oughta confuse everyone! Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 18, 1997 9:54 pm Subject: Re: House of the Rising Sun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-09-16 22:55:28 EDT, you write: << Gabe who anxiously awaits and has high hopes for Dream Mixes 2 and learned to tolerate (and maybe enjoy) reggae this summer >> hey irie mon....whatcha listening to? np: ras michael and the sons og negus - nyhabingi From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Why's DIGITAL GOTHIC so ^&$@*~ Hard to Get? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman :( :( :( Why's DIGITAL GOTHIC so hard to get? Lars ordered a few copies from Waterstone's, a bookstore here in Boston that is owned by a British company, yet hasn't heard anything back from them in a month. I myself tried to get copies of it from my local Tower Records, but encountered 'One Hand Doesn't Know What the Other is Doing' syndrome in that I was told that the store got in two copies, they sold, and they don't plan on ordering any more. (Real f***ing geniuses running *that* outfit, eh?) Meanwhile, Tower has enough copies of UK books on Prodigy and the Sp*** Girls to choke a horse. Arghhhh! :( :( If there was a UK book on Yanni or Enya you can bet your booties that ol' Tower would order a f***load of *those*! What the f*** is the problem? -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7167 Re: Why's DIGITAL GOTHIC so ^&$@*~ Hard to Get? jinsuk Kim Fri 9/19/1997 4 KB 7170 Re: Why's DIGITAL GOTHIC so ^&$@*~ Hard to Get? Dave Brewer Fri 9/19/1997 3 KB 7171 Re: Why's DIGITAL GOTHIC so ^&$@*~ Hard to Get? jinsuk Kim Fri 9/19/1997 4 KB 7184 Re: Why's DIGITAL GOTHIC so ^&$@*~ Hard to Get? MCINTYRE@p... Fri 9/19/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 18, 1997 10:33 pm Subject: Unreleased mp3 encore from Bradford 02.11.90 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Hi people For a very limited time since I'm beyond the limits of my web space I have the for you to download the link is: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fsalgado/bradford.zip ( 2.88MB) It's a bit long but it has a full 7 minute encore. Hope to receive your feedback ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 18, 1997 11:15 pm Subject: Re: Why's DIGITAL GOTHIC so ^&$@*~ Hard to Get? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: jinsuk Kim Steven Wrote: > > > :( :( :( Why's DIGITAL GOTHIC so hard to get? Lars ordered a >few copies from Waterstone's, a bookstore here in Boston that is owned >by a British company, yet hasn't heard anything back from them in a >month. I myself tried to get copies of it from my local Tower Records, >but encountered 'One Hand Doesn't Know What the Other is Doing' syndrome >in that I was told that the store got in two copies, they sold, and they >don't plan on ordering any more. (Real f***ing geniuses running *that* >outfit, eh?) Meanwhile, Tower has enough copies of UK books on Prodigy >and the Sp*** Girls to choke a horse. Arghhhh! :( :( If there was a >UK book on Yanni or Enya you can bet your booties that ol' Tower would >order a f***load of *those*! What the f*** is the problem? > Hey take it easy... Why don't you try World Party Music? It was Dave Brewer who gave this info on this mailing list and thanks to his help I got a copy of the book with ease. I had to wait only about 3 weeks. Here's his posting: >I just thought I'd pass along some info, in case anyone was interested. >I've found a U.S. source for the Digital Gothic yadayada... book on TD. >It's called World Party Music. They have it listed for $16.74 plus >shipping. (is that a good price?) They've also got a number of TD titles >available, but nothing too out-of-the-ordinary. I haven't ordered from >this company (yet), so I can't vouch for their service. > >Their website is at www.iliad.com/wpmusic, and their email is >wpmusic@w... > > Dave Brewer Hope this helps, jinsuk Kim jindor@m... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 18, 1997 11:33 pm Subject: Re: Red Shift and all that! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: centaur@c... (Anthony G. Francis, Jr.) > > this will be sold at a 'you must buy' price of around 7.50 > > US Dollars - the idea is that you will get to hear tracks from > > individuals who you might not know - and are not confident to try > > out the tracks are virtually all exclusive to this album - > > tell me if this sort of thing will interest you lot > > - can I count on a 50% response from list members??? If this is still in the works, yes, count me in. -Anthony -- Anthony G. Francis, Jr. | cen.taur \'sen-.to.(*)r\ n AI/Cognitive Science Group | [ME, fr. L Centaurus, fr. Gk Kentauros] College of Computing | 1: one of a race fabled to be half man Georgia Institute of Technology | and half horse and to dwell in the Atlanta, Georgia 30332-0280 | mountains of Thessaly. Phone: (404) 894-2590 | 2: nickname for this AI grad student Net: centaur@c... - http://www.cc.gatech.edu/ai/students/centaur/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 12:08 am Subject: Re: Paris Edge or Cliffs of Sydney ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Really-From: Vic Rek > > Now a question: > > The '3 tier Dream On!' CD boot states on the back insert that it is a > 'pre-release version of 'Cliffs of Sydney''. So is this 'Paris Edge' CD-R > the 'Cliffs of Sydney' I have heard about or mentioned on the back of '3 > Tier Dream On!'? I'm very curious. I think I heard that a demo version of Cliffs of Sydney (from Le Parc) was included as a bonus track in addition to the live material on 3TD On. It probably has nothing to do with Paris Edge. I won't know for sure until I get my copy of 3TD and 3TD On. (soon, soon!) Dave Brewer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7176 Re: Paris Edge or Cliffs of Sydney Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 9/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 12:14 am Subject: Re: Why's DIGITAL GOTHIC so ^&$@*~ Hard to Get? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: Steven Feldman > > :( :( :( Why's DIGITAL GOTHIC so hard to get? Lars ordered a > few copies from Waterstone's, a bookstore here in Boston that is owned > by a British company, yet hasn't heard anything back from them in a > month. I myself tried to get copies of it from my local Tower Records, [...] Damn! I hope I don't run into problems like that when I go to order this book. I've seen it listed in World Party Music's website for a while now for something like $16.50, and was planning on ordering it from them. I hope they don't have a hard time with it! Their address is www.wpmusic.com I think... Just in case you want to check out. And they are in the US. Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 12:57 am Subject: Re: Why's DIGITAL GOTHIC so ^&$@*~ Hard to Get? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: jinsuk Kim (resending due to mail delivery problem) Steven Wrote: > > > :( :( :( Why's DIGITAL GOTHIC so hard to get? Lars ordered a >few copies from Waterstone's, a bookstore here in Boston that is owned >by a British company, yet hasn't heard anything back from them in a >month. I myself tried to get copies of it from my local Tower Records, >but encountered 'One Hand Doesn't Know What the Other is Doing' syndrome >in that I was told that the store got in two copies, they sold, and they >don't plan on ordering any more. (Real f***ing geniuses running *that* >outfit, eh?) Meanwhile, Tower has enough copies of UK books on Prodigy >and the Sp*** Girls to choke a horse. Arghhhh! :( :( If there was a >UK book on Yanni or Enya you can bet your booties that ol' Tower would >order a f***load of *those*! What the f*** is the problem? > Hey take it easy... Why don't you try World Party Music? It was Dave Brewer who gave this info on this mailing list and thanks to his help I got a copy of the book with ease. I had to wait only about 3 weeks. Here's his posting: >I just thought I'd pass along some info, in case anyone was interested. >I've found a U.S. source for the Digital Gothic yadayada... book on TD. >It's called World Party Music. They have it listed for $16.74 plus >shipping. (is that a good price?) They've also got a number of TD titles >available, but nothing too out-of-the-ordinary. I haven't ordered from >this company (yet), so I can't vouch for their service. > >Their website is at www.iliad.com/wpmusic, and their email is >wpmusic@w... > > Dave Brewer Hope this helps, jinsuk Kim jindor@m... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 3:17 am Subject: Re: House of the Rising Sun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-09-16 11:32:57 EDT, you write: << It sounds like 'Optical Race' and 'Alexander Square'. They've sped it up, bathed it in cheesy electronic percussion and played the main melody with a flute-like sound. Fans of the Animals' version probably cringed in horror...but I suppose you can't accuse them of not making it sound like their own song. It fit in perfectly with what they were doing at the time...like Purple Haze fit on 220 Volt. I started a discussion some time ago about songs that you would *like* to see TD do. Personally, I'm tired of Edgar's pillaging of the 60s. Maybe he identifies with the 'everyone love your brother' vibe, but this era of music has nothing to do with where TD is at musically these days. Everything comes out sounding like musak. Just as Blues bands cover Blues standards, why can't TD throw in a classic of electronic music? Or even somthing more current. Couldn't you just picture Edgar and Jerome doing The Chemical Brothers 'Loops of Fury?' >> Hi, Tadreamers....I'm back! (Been in Arizona for a few weeks visiting my brother.) Just came upon this thread. I personally like the FRIJID PINK {ca. 1970} version of 'House Of The Rising Sun' better than any other version I've ever heard....and I love this song. The album credits say 'public domain' for this song....not much help. So I went and looked it up in an old textbook I have from college called 'American Popular Music' and they cite it as 'an old New Orleans folk song'....again, not much help. Possibly, nobody knows for sure who wrote it. Anyway, I've never heard the TD version (I don't think, since I'm turning 40 this weekend and getting senile) :-0) What is it from? I'd sure LIKE to hear it. :-) However, IMO TD is better off not doing any 'covers' at all. Why bend to the pressure of the market and the execs at this point? Their own originals are far better than anything they could possibly choose to 'cover', so why waste the time and effort? The rest of the world will just have to catch up with them....and THEY will be 'covering' TD. :-) Graf Zeigen NP: LIVE MILES From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 3:19 am Subject: Re: GRAF ZEIGEN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: GrafZeigen@a... In a message dated 97-09-18 11:17:55 EDT, you write: << Dear Graf, please give me a sign. >> {nudge, nudge, wink, wink} Hi, Bogdan! Don't worry, I'm not dead ....YET!!!:-D I haven't forgotten and a private e-mail is on the way. Graf From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 3:25 am Subject: 'sonambulistic imagery' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Monrad Does anybody have any info on a TD 2 cd live set from '85 or '86 @ Newport Beach entitled Sonambulistic Imagery? How many copies were made? I recently acquired it at a used outlet and was impressed with what sounds like DDD digital quality and a nifty performance. Was it common practice to make DAT recordings at the mixing board? Apologies if this is old news, but I'm a 20 year long fan of TD and just recently logged on to this service. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7190 Re: 'sonambulistic imagery' Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Fri 9/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 3:33 am Subject: TD books - need info, please ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Kimberly M. Zemo' Hey all, For a while now, I've been seeing discussion regarding various books about TD. I've been trying to track down Digital Gothic, but nobody seems to know anything about it. Is this a recent publication, something out of print, an import??? I'd like to pick up a book or two to check out, but I can't find a blasted thing :( If anyone can send me info about what books are available & some places where I might find them or who to order from, I'd be very grateful. Thanks! Kim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7177 Re: TD books - need info, please Dave Brewer Fri 9/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 3:43 am Subject: Re: Paris Edge or Cliffs of Sydney ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 05:08 PM 9/18/97 -0700, Dave Brewer wrote: >I think I heard that a demo version of Cliffs of Sydney (from Le Parc) was >included as a bonus track in addition to the live material on 3TD On. It >probably has nothing to do with Paris Edge. I won't know for sure until I >get my copy of 3TD and 3TD On. (soon, soon!) > > Dave Brewer > That's what it says: Bonus Track 4 m 34 s (Pre-release version - 'Cliffs of Sydney'). 'Paris Edge' appeared for a flash on Ranjit's site, then it disappeared. It does not seem to have anything to do with 'Paris Dreams.' Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 3:57 am Subject: Re: TD books - need info, please ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: 'Kimberly M. Zemo' > > Hey all, > For a while now, I've been seeing discussion regarding various > books about TD. I've been trying to track down Digital Gothic, but > nobody seems to know anything about it. Is this a recent publication, > something out of print, an import??? > Well, hopefully you have (or will) get a couple of posts talking about getting Digital Gothic from World Party Music. So I won't repeat the info here again. But as for asking around at stores near you, here's the info I got a while back off this list that should help: Digital Gothic: A Critical Discography of Tangerine Dream by Paul Stump SAF Publishing (a British publisher, I think) ISBN: 0 946719 18 7 This is a recent book (published this year??). Hope this helps! :-) Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 5:21 pm Subject: Re: Sonambulistic Info ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@c...> > > Hello, > > >>Does anybody have any info on a TD 2 cd live set from '85 or '86 @ > Newport > >>Beach entitled Sonambulistic Imagery? > > Not sure how many copies were made, but Sonambulistic is from June 1986 at > Laguna Hills, California (is Newport Beach near there?). It's a good show, > but it's definitely not DDD and it definitely wasn't a mixing board > recording (isn't the audience audible on there?). I'm 99-percent certain > those CDs just came from a pretty good audience tape. Totally agree. I've always complained about the too metallic sounding of this boot, so I did a digital transfer to my hard disk and equalized it. In the process ( I did several trials to know the better sounding one) I had to listen carefully with headphones and i noticed dropouts and other artefacts impossible to get with a DAT machine. Noise is present too, but this could happen with a digital recording too ( noise made by a poor mic, or a not too god mic pre-amp) but here you could hear tape hiss. About the audience quality. Really I don't remember the sound too well at this moment, but the fact that you can hear the audience noises is not a clue for classify a recording as AUD because even recorded on the sound board, you record audience noise, too, although a not too loud. I have several sound boad recordings ( one by TD some pink floyd, some Phish, etc.) and the main common 'feature' of those recordings is a tinny, but audible 50-60 Hz Hum caused by a not too god earth cabling. But this recording, I can't hear 'hum' here. --francisco Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7181 Sonambulistic Info John Burek Fri 9/19/1997 3 KB 7216 Re: Sonambulistic Info Neal McAuley Sun 9/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 4:57 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #45 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@c...> > > >>Subject: Unreleased mp3 encore from Bradford 02.11.90 > >>Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > >>For a very limited time since I'm beyond the limits of my web space I > have > >>the for you to download > >>the link is: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fsalgado/bradford.zip ( 2.88MB) > >>It's a bit long but it has a full 7 minute encore. > >>Hope to receive your feedback > > Great stuff, Francisco! I downloaded it a few moments ago--the encore > sounds great, even on this here pair of cheap, unpowered 2-inch PC > speakers. > > As I understand it, this piece played live featured both Jerome and Paul > Haslinger playing a duel of percussion pads, as you can hear. You should know, John, because the source of this encore is YOU ;-]) I took it from the cassette you've sent me some time ago. As you know I did a bit of noise processing and EQ. The cool thing is I've got a video recording ( amateurish i think) playing it, but at Berlin, and, also, performing the other theme 15 minutes long we have named 'Siren chants beyond event horizons' which was released by an German FM station, you know which theme I mean. ( both coming as extra tracks on the 3rd disc of the Shepherd's bush CDR tree that has been run) Glad you like it. I'll try keeping it for the list members who didn't downloaded yet at least a day more, buy, guys, do hurry, since I have to erase it soon. ---Francisco Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7183 tadream-digest V16 #45 John Burek Fri 9/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 1:53 pm Subject: New TD S/T ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean I ordered one, but does anybody know anything more about it? MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 3:28 pm Subject: Sonambulistic Info ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@c...> Hello, >>Does anybody have any info on a TD 2 cd live set from '85 or '86 @ Newport >>Beach entitled Sonambulistic Imagery? How many copies were made? I >>recently acquired it at a used outlet and was impressed with what sounds >>like DDD digital quality and a nifty performance. Was it common practice >>to make DAT recordings at the mixing board? Apologies if this is old news, >>but I'm a 20 year long fan of TD and just recently logged on to this >>service.< Not sure how many copies were made, but Sonambulistic is from June 1986 at Laguna Hills, California (is Newport Beach near there?). It's a good show, but it's definitely not DDD and it definitely wasn't a mixing board recording (isn't the audience audible on there?). I'm 99-percent certain those CDs just came from a pretty good audience tape. (Also, I believe about an hour of this concert was broadcast on the radio back in '86, but I don't think these CDs came from that broadcast either). FYI, there are very few mixing-board recordings of TD shows out there (and if there are, they're not in fan's hands). I can think of less than half a dozen, offhand. --John From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 3:14 pm Subject: The various Paris CDs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@c...> Vic and others, >>A CD-R is out called 'Paris 'Edge'. It states live 1986, so I assume it's >>from the March 31, 1986 show at Olympique, Paris, France. >>The CD-R comes with a color front insert (not impressive), and no tray >>insert. The disc itself has very minimal information printed on it. The >>sound quality is very very good, but it looks like a >>re-issue/consolidation/re-hash of Disk 3 from '3 Tier Dream' and '3 Tier >>Dream on!'. As I understand it a few minutes were removed to make the contents fit onto one CDR. The third disk of '3-Tier Dream', called 'Paris Dreams', contained the first half of the mainset, and '3-Tier Dream On!' contained the second half of the mainset. The two CDs also corresponded to the LPs 'Parisian Dreams' (first half of mainset) and 'Parisian Dreams Too' (second half of mainset). >>Now a question: >>The '3 tier Dream On!' CD boot states on the back insert that it is a >>'pre-release version of 'Cliffs of Sydney''. So is this 'Paris Edge' CD-R >>the 'Cliffs of Sydney' I have heard about or mentioned on the back of '3 >>Tier Dream On!'? I'm very curious. On 'Three Tier Dream On!', after the half of the Paris mainset, there is a bonus track that is an early mix of 'Cliffs of Sydney'. This early mix is not part of the Paris '86 concert. I don't have 'Paris Edge' but my guess is that if the makers of the CDR were pressed for space on the disk, they wouldn't have included the 'Cliffs of Sydeny' track on there. >>I would appreciate any additional release information on these CD-Rs, such >>as country of origin and number of copies issued, etc. About 'Paris Edge' or 'Three Tier'? The 'Three Tier' disks are actually CDs (not CDRs) and the liners say they were made in Britain. There were 300 hand-numbered copies each of the '3-Tier' 3CD set, and of '#-Tier Dream On'--at least that's what the liners say. As for 'Paris Edge', not a clue. --John From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 3:20 pm Subject: tadream-digest V16 #45 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@c...> >>Subject: Unreleased mp3 encore from Bradford 02.11.90 >>Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' >>For a very limited time since I'm beyond the limits of my web space I have >>the for you to download >>the link is: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fsalgado/bradford.zip ( 2.88MB) >>It's a bit long but it has a full 7 minute encore. >>Hope to receive your feedback Great stuff, Francisco! I downloaded it a few moments ago--the encore sounds great, even on this here pair of cheap, unpowered 2-inch PC speakers. As I understand it, this piece played live featured both Jerome and Paul Haslinger playing a duel of percussion pads, as you can hear. --John From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 11:54 am Subject: RE: Why's DIGITAL GOTHIC so ^&$@*~ Hard to Get? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: MCINTYRE@p... I got a flier from Eurock yesterday saying they have it. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 12:00 pm Subject: Re: TD and Techno ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) Thanks for your stimulating posting, Hilmar. > The show presented the current techno scenes of Berlin, Tokio, Moscow > and of course Chicago and talked with various DJs, labels, etc. These > DJs made a lot of references to being influenced by Kraftwerk, and > appropriately, some Kraftwerk music was played (Trans-Europe Express > from 'The Mix' I believe). This made total sense. You could see the > roots and similarities. You can also look at the disco scene, in particular the contributions of Giorgio Moroder. When kids in Chicago created Hip-Hop, Electric Boogaloo and ultimately House and Techno, they found the perfect source material in the hard-edged German and Belgian electronic new wave of the late '70s, not in the tripped-out hippy space sounds of TD, Schulze or Jarre. > Personally, I always felt that TDs influence on techno has been > overrated - they were not the grandfathers of techno, maybe the > grandfathers of electronic rock music. But the fundamental difference > is that TD never aimed at making music for the dancefloor. That they > are now in turn influenced by dance music and created Dream Mixes is > another story. That's why I argue that Kraftwerk are more 'seminal' than TD. I'm not saying that the albums Kraftwerk made in the '70s were BETTER - they're not, to me at least. However, you can see the roots of Techno far more clearly in Kraftwerk, DAF, Cabaret Voltaire, etc. than in anything TD ever produced. Ambient 'chill out' music, perhaps. Even then, I feel that today's 'ambient' music is lacking something fundamental - it's almost as if it's trying to be empty and superficial. Perhaps it's designed that way so that you can fill your mind with something innocuous on the way down from an Ecstasy high. TD created something unique and (so far) unsurpassed in the '70s. The only artists to come close in my mind are Node and Redshift. Neither of these bands could make any claim to the title 'techno band', either. Grunt Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7191 TD and Techno Hilmar Kraft Fri 9/19/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 6:27 pm Subject: TD for Babies ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) Lars, with great interest I read your question about what music to play to your unborn new family member. My personal opinion is this: DO NOT PLAY TD AT ALL! I completely agree with the idea that babies can start to develop their brains even before they are born and that music stimulation is helpful. But don't you think you should play something that a baby can relate to, that it has a chance of identifying? It would be too early to say that an unborn 'likes' a certain type of music, but I believe that he/she can distinguish between sounds that are pleasant and unpleasant to him. That your boy isn't to thrilled by TD on the stereo should tell you everything: It is very normal that children at first prefer simple melodies. The sound of a musical box, their moms singing a little tune...Then, as they grow up, they like little pop tunes, music that stays within certain boundaries of harmony and rhythm. This seems to be valid for all ethnic backgrounds, although I am not an expert. But having listened to childrens songs from Asia and the ancient Latin American Maya culture I can certainly confirm this. I think TDs music is for the most part 'grown-up' music. With its improvisations, complex rhythms and sounds, it takes some building blocks until you arrive at a point where you can appreciate it. The departure from 'simple' musical structures is an acquired taste. I think it is a bit much to throw all this at your unborn. The possible exception may be Rumpeltstiltskin, although I haven't listened to it yet. You may say that deep down unconciously, even this complex music may do something to your baby's development, and we all lack the means to measure if this is true or not. But think about it: If you want to teach your toddler to learn to speak, do you slowly speak some regognizable words to him or do you just read him hours of Shakespeare's collected works? Other than that, I would not play TD to my unborn because of the mood TDs music is in - most of it is far from uplifting and motivating. You may say, who cares if the baby 'likes' it, all I want to do is to develop his abilities, but I don't think this works if the unborn identifies these sounds as 'unpleasant' and I am convinced that it would. Classical music: While the unborn cannot appreciate its various subtleties and its compositional genius, at least the mood of most classical pieces is 'positive'. I know that I am now out on a limb, because our own listening experiences have a great influence on what we define as positive (bright, uplifting etc) and negative (gloomy, brooding etc.). But I also believe there is more to it than just that: I recall an interesting article in where musical experiments have been done on plants, and they grew better to classical music than rock'n'roll. So unconsciously maybe all living beings, wether plant or animal follow some as yet undiscovered pattern of harmony etc. Ok, now it gets too new-agey, I suppose. We are also expecting a baby in three months, and we concentrate on singing (yeah that might really scare the baby) because we want the baby to hear the voices of its parents. I hadn't thought about music until now, but I guess it is a good idea. But not TD for the poor little helpless creature... :-) Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7193 TD for Babies Lars R. Jones Fri 9/19/1997 10 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 9:55 am Subject: Baby Music / Goldtri ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tom Coppens Hiya, > I think the longer pieces would work better but am not against stringing together a compiliation of rhythmically similar but shorter pieces. > Hmmm, from what you mentioned, Michael Garrison's music seemed to fit the bill, many of the tracks from 'Prisms' would be suitable ie clear rhythms and melody through rhythm, not dark (except some of them). What do you think ? Something different now. Goldtri seems to be operating as I was recently admitted to the list. Just sent the Boddy interview + reviews of all his albums up to Continuum. Wonder if it'll get through... Wave ~~~ Tom Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7189 Re: Baby Music / Goldtri Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Fri 9/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 11:22 am Subject: Goldtri ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) I just tried again to subscribe to GoldTri, and again got that 'subscription request forwarded' message. AArrrrggghhh! :-( Apart from tadream and goldtri, does anyone know any other smashing mailing lists that an EM fan like myself might be interested in? A frustrated Lawry Simm! NP: ASANA - Trikuti Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7198 Re: Goldtri Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 9/20/1997 3 KB 9977 Goldtri Andy Garner Fri 1/9/1998 2 KB 9991 Re: Goldtri Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 1/13/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 11:34 am Subject: Re: Baby Music / Goldtri ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Just so you know, Tom, your reveiew and interview did come throgh on GoldTri. I look forward to the Pickford stuff next. For the rest of you guys who may have been tempted to join GoldTri, but were put off by the apparent difficulty in doing so, it would appear that subscription lines are open again, so come on over. BTW, has anyone got anymore info on that new TD release - Die Meteor, or whatever? ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 10:30 am Subject: Re: 'sonambulistic imagery' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: Monrad > >Does anybody have any info on a TD 2 cd live set from '85 or '86 @ Newport >Beach entitled Sonambulistic Imagery? How many copies were made? I >recently acquired it at a used outlet and was impressed with what sounds >like DDD digital quality and a nifty performance. Was it common practice >to make DAT recordings at the mixing board? Apologies if this is old news, >but I'm a 20 year long fan of TD and just recently logged on to this >service. Sonambulistic Imagery is from Laguna Hills, 1986. Whilst I enjoy the music greatly, it does seem to be full of you dashed Yanks talking through it (although I suupose this does add to the liveness of it). I doubt (therefore) that the recording is from the mixing board. Of course, maybe Ed and co. decided to 'play' the audience noise as part of the music, like CoAEII. 8-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 5:12 pm Subject: TD and Techno ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) Hi all. So, monday night TD appeared again on German TV (Thanks to Peter Stoeferle for informing us) in a show called '10 Years Of Techno'. I don't want to get into the absolute horrible production standards of this show that was made on a really low budget (if you can only afford cheesy computer graphics of 1981 vintage, then it is better to not have any, rather than annyoing us for 100 minutes with this). Apart from that, the TD material was recycled from the TD interview already broadcast a few months ago, so we didn't get to see anything new - a few statements by Froese and a few clips from the 1997 tour and 'Three Phase' video. The point is: It suddenly became very obviously clear that showing Tangerine Dream in this 'Techno' show was totally out of place. 1997s TD and techno really have nothing in common (luckily!) and it became painfully evident in this roundup of techno material. The show presented the current techno scenes of Berlin, Tokio, Moscow and of course Chicago and talked with various DJs, labels, etc. These DJs made a lot of references to being influenced by Kraftwerk, and appropriately, some Kraftwerk music was played (Trans-Europe Express from 'The Mix' I believe). This made total sense. You could see the roots and similarities. Then, suddenly, in the middle of all this: 10 minutes of Tangerine Dream of 1994/97 fashion: Hachfeld playing drums, Zlatko with his manic guitar and even some Linda Spa saxophone. I can only imagine how every techno fan must have cringed at this: guitars...drums....sax...Arrgh! And look at all that hair! :-) At least if the producers of this show had taken some seventies material - *maybe* they could have gotten their point across that TD had an influence on the current music scene, but this way it was a bit ridiculous. If they wanted to teach the kids as to who their musical grandfathers were supposed to be - it failed! Personally, I always felt that TDs influence on techno has been overrated - they were not the grandfathers of techno, maybe the grandfathers of electronic rock music. But the fundamental difference is that TD never aimed at making music for the dancefloor. That they are now in turn influenced by dance music and created Dream Mixes is another story. Really, the main reason that TD was in the show at all was probably this: The production company of '10 Years of Techno' was the same one who produced the half-hour TD special earlier this year, so it was a great way for them to fill 10 minutes of airtime without any additional investment. Like I said...they were obviously on a tight budget. Other than that it was probably an 'acceptable' show for techno fans, and a very annoying show for TD fans, you can not imagine the stuff we had to sit through to finally get to 'our' TD - my brains were fried after 100 minutes...bleep bleep bleep whoop whoop Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 8:49 am Subject: Re: TD in utero ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > Our methodology was to play the tape in a small handheld player resting on > my wife's abdomen each evening throughout the last 5 months of her > pregnancy at roughly the same time. We noticed that our son really > responded to the music and became really active, sometimes even kicking the > tape player off of her... Maybe that was his way of banging a broom handle on the ceiling ! Maybe you were the foetal equivalents of 'neighbours from Hell'. > Since joining us on the outside, he hasn't yet > shown any affinity for E-music Maybe there are too many bad memories ? > Anyway, we'd like to try this again with our next one (in his/her fourth > month in utero now) and I thought we might try to make a different tape > this time so I'm asking you listees for suggestions. Has anyone else tried > this? If so, do you have any comments? I don't know much about the in-utero stage, but I found that my daughter responded really well to dance music as a baby. I found that The Shamen's 'Boss Drum' album got her absorbed, as did 'Patashnik' by Biosphere. I wasn't trying an experiment as such, I just noticed it after a while. It got so that she could spot 'Boss Drum' in amongst about 100 CD's. Maybe you want to try some rave music instead of more traditional electronics. Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 2:15 pm Subject: TD for Babies ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> HI Hilmar thanks for another great post and congratulations! >That your boy isn't to thrilled by TD on the stereo should tell you >everything: It is very normal that children at first prefer simple >melodies. [...] >I think TDs music is for the most part 'grown-up' music. With its >improvisations, complex rhythms and sounds, it takes some building >blocks until you arrive at a point where you can appreciate it. The >departure from 'simple' musical structures is an acquired taste. I >think it is a bit much to throw all this at your unborn. I do agree with you here in part. My original choice of Td was based on what I learned about the Russian and American research where the complexity presented the unborn was vitally important; it is only in methodology that they differed radically. I'd compare it to a first experience learning to **hear** a foreign language. At first, when listening to someone speak, everything sounds 'grey' -- just one mass of sound (tv newscasts are the worst!) from that mass, you learn to hear the tone and the pauses and then you begin to break it apart in paragraphs, sentences, and finally you begin to hear discreet words -- only at that point can you really begin to attribute significant meaning to what you hear and associate the words with what you know or can figure out in context. This is sort of the way the LAD is designed to function, it breaks the complexities down to manageable chunks through pattern recognition and you can actually hear children applying this to their verbal expressions 'mama mmpgtss doggie brffws ceerweal' (mama give the dog a bowl of cereal [too]). we catch the drift of what they are saying and figure it out from there and they eventually learn to fill in the blanks so that 'brffws' becomes 'bowl.' This is actually one of the problems with foreign language education in the US -- you can learn to speak competently but if aren't exposed to hearing a foreign language constantly, you don't ever really learn to *hear* it; it is both the active and passive forms of education that are needed. This is why immersion is the best way to learn a language. My point is the difference between 'teaching' -- or trying to establish certain hard-wiring in the brain by playing progressively more complex things (what the American researcher was doing by using progressive variations of the mother's heart beat like a binary code to sting out complex mathematical formulae ) -- and 'learning' -- or trusting that the brain will begin to break down the complexities in its own unique way and hardwire itself in the most efficient manner (what the Russian was doing with classical music). I think there is a lot to be said for both methods and am not sure either is right or wrong, clearly both have an important role to play and both produced very interesting results. I think, personally here, that this is the way I listen to TD's music. Initially it is a complex formula of sound and the more experience with it that I have, the better I come to know it and thus to be able to participate in it. Because it is not (usually) based on easily accessible melodies and rhythms and often evolves dramatically, it takes some active 'learning' to experience (maybe this is why most people prefer 'baby-talk' Top 40 tunes :-) As many of us know, one of the best ways to experience TD is alone in a quiet, comfortable, dark place (hmmmm, I didn't think about the utero connection until now). For me, Td is music for 'learning' -- thinking about, being led into and away and participation in it isn't to be taken for granted. When I play rock (np: green day -- dookie), I don't expect to sit and listen to it in the dark but to sit and tap my foot while doing something else, to sing along, dance, etc. Most rock/pop/rap/etc is sort of like baby music in this respect: relatively simple, easily accessible melodies that don't take much too much effort to participate in -- it is 'teaching' music. >The possible >exception may be Rumpeltstiltskin, although I haven't listened to it >yet. -- it's too 'dark' in places ;-) >You may say that deep down unconciously, even this complex music may >do something to your baby's development, and we all lack the means to >measure if this is true or not. But think about it: If you want to >teach your toddler to learn to speak, do you slowly speak some >regognizable words to him or do you just read him hours of >Shakespeare's collected works? -- I agree in principle with your point (apologies if I misunderstood) although my understanding is that it doesn't make much difference because the issue is about the child learning to speak (he/she is the active agent) and not about being taught to speak (where he/she is the passive recipient ;-) the brain acquires the language regardless of its complexity. Speaking slowly but correctly is always helpful although 'baby talk' is *very* counter-productive. I think it is actually best to speak to the child in a normal voice and at normal speed the first time and then break it down from there and work with them to understand the parts that they have trouble with (or to repeat what they have just tried to say in a normal voice and speed: 'mama give the dog a bowl of cereal?'). In the end, research suggests that it is real, active human verbal interaction of any type that makes a difference (eg: not passive TV) and from the earliest moments of life. Our doctor encourages everyone to speak to their unborn babies because they do learn to recognize their parents' voices and current thinking says that you should begin reading to your child as soon as they are born! Thus, it probably doesn't matter if we play TD to ours or if you sing to yours, both will produce postive results. >You may say, who cares if the baby 'likes' it, all I want to do is to >develop his abilities, but I don't think this works if the unborn >identifies these sounds as 'unpleasant' and I am convinced that it >would. -- As I'm sure you (and Grant) recognize, it is difficult to say if a baby in utero 'likes' or 'dislikes' anything (although you may be right). Repeatedly kicking the tape recorder off mom's abdomen presupposes a understanding of cause and effect (knowing that a certain muscular motion will result in the cessation of sound) -- an ability children won't have until around 16-18 months (post utero). Just as an unborn might be 'fleeing' a sound, equally valid explanations are exploration (what is that? is it tangible? where is it?) or even excitement or glee -- are you sure he wasn't just 'dancing'? (oh, this beat feels good, let's boogie) Especially when other unpleasant sounds near the mother (sirens, jackhammers, traffic noises, telephones) don't produce the same alledged 'flight' response... That my son wants me to turn TD off these days is more a product of his wanting to see the Lion King or Winnie the Pooh and knowing that the TV and stereo aren't both allowed on at the same time... It's still hard to know if he likes or dislikes it. he certainly tolerates it and doesn't throw a fit when he hears it. I do tend to agree with Hilmar, that the actual music itself will be an acquired taste. I just hope that some of the mathematical principles underlying the production of music will be second nature to him later in life. Hilmar, I'm also really interested in your comments about TD being not 'positive' vs. classical. I find that fascinating because I've always viewed TD's music as very positive (with the exception of some soundtracks, bits of stratosfear, thru metamorphic rock and a few other tracks) and mostly in constrast to Schulze whom I find very 'dark'. I know we all have completely different and equally valid opinions of Td but this is something I haven't really seen discussed on the list. I think this would be a great thread for the list to tackle if they don't want to talk about TD in utero ;-) So you Shakespeares, will it be 'TD or not TD? that is the question...' more suggestions please! I'd be happy to swap tapes for suggested music! enough of this (too long) post for now! lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 5:34 pm Subject: TD's use of the MC 303 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tom Coppens Hi everyone, check out your local music store and go to the MC 303 from Roland, and play patterns A10 A11 and A12 and voila, you have part of a TD track (literally !!) (who'll be the first to send the title to the list ?) Was a bit surprised that they used this box so extensively. Cheers, Tom PS: I don't think TD programmed the sound for Roland... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7196 Re: TD's use of the MC 303 Gabe Yedid Sat 9/20/1997 3 KB 7197 Re: Lar's Tape List feldon@p... Fri 9/19/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 8:36 pm Subject: Re: tapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid Just a question about the '92 Ventura Theatre show: is this one where it is Edgar, not Zlatko, playing 'Purple Haze'? Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7199 Re: tapes Hermes Guzman Sat 9/20/1997 2 KB 12578 tapes Lars R. Jones Thu 4/2/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 8:32 pm Subject: Re: TD's use of the MC 303 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Tom Coppens > > > Hi everyone, > > check out your local music store and go to the MC 303 from Roland, and play > patterns A10 A11 and A12 and voila, you have part of a TD track (literally > Tom > Give us a hint...is it classic TD or newer TD? Is it 'No Man's Land'? Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 7:27 pm Subject: Re: Lar's Tape List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... From Lar's tape list: 12.10.83 Warsaw (Ice Stadium) 1st show (afternoon) 86 min. (Au) MC 12.10.83 Warsaw (Ice Stadium) 2nd show (evening) 90 min. (FM) MC Are these almost the same and does the Poland 2CD contain all the material from these? Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 20, 1997 1:11 am Subject: Re: Goldtri ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 12:22 PM 9/19/97 +0100, you wrote: >--------------------------------------------------------- >A frustrated Lawry Simm! > > >NP: ASANA - Trikuti > Lawry, while you are working your way through the (unnecessatily) cumbersome subscription protocol to GoldTri, how about telling us about 'Trikuti?' The TD purists may cringe, but we gotta talk somewhere, right? If you get flamed, just direct them to me. I have thick skin. Looking forward to hearing from you AndrewR From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: tapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Hey all- >Really-From: Gabe Yedid >Just a question about the '92 Ventura Theatre show: is this one where it >is Edgar, not Zlatko, playing 'Purple Haze'? Nope. I was 10 ft. from the Z-man the whole show, including his great shred on 'Purple Haze'! goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 20, 1997 5:14 am Subject: Grown-Up music? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) I think TDs music is for the most part 'grown-up' music. With its improvisations, complex rhythms and sounds, it takes some building blocks until you arrive at a point where you can appreciate it. The departure from 'simple' musical structures is an acquired taste. I think it is a bit much to throw all this at your unborn. The possible exception may be Rumpeltstiltskin, although I haven't listened to it yet. I don't necessarily say Tangerine Dream music is 'grown-up' music.. I being 18 (17 when I first got into TD) find TD to not be too difficult at all to understand, bring together, and fully appreciate. I believe TD offers more information than is needed, thus making a 'musical carpet' that can be interpreted in many ways. Certainally, I'll catch a very interesting complex rhythm coming from a percussion and sequencer arrangement.. those are little surprises.. and I truly believe many of those are happy accidents due to the musical layering. I love classical music, but that is more difficult to totally appreciate due to a limited array of instuments to express with. So it might be a single violin that must take you from a happy mood to a heart-pounding event.. finally to end in saddness.. the electronics allow a refinement to expression to all emotions.. it's like having the entire world of all acoustic instruments at hand, plus a million times more sounds never even invented yet. I know many of you would probably kill me for saying this, but I find Kraftwerk to be more of a challenge mentally than TD. A large part is the simple vocals.. but you can always listen to those vocals a tad differently and get new words from them.. There is less there in the music, and the mind can use it's imagination to create and assume new things in each listen. I think TD may be too wide open for definate interpretation.. sadly, I can't find anything to interprete in the newer TD except maybe looking at the song's title.. (Ex. Rising Haul In Silence) and hearing a few atmospheric sounds (Water splashing cymbols... wooshing up and down sounds--rising haul-- that add lots of static to the music) Melody is important because it is an element of time.. a progression of emotions, story, and events.. it almost makes reason for the song's existence. Even that is up to debate, for not every song has to tell a story.. but in the pitches.. octaves.. that's somthing that stays. There's almost a dictionary to melody.. meaning that low dark sounds elicit depressive, hurting emotions, and high notes elicit happy, maybe delicate sensitive emotions.. it's kind of something that's there in the book, it's a vocabulary (just one at that) but maybe exploration beyond that is something to look for.. has TD done this? I think so.. like in 'Thru Metamorphis Rocks' uses varying pitched sounds not to tell a story.. but to create something a listener must discover--this is one of the few TD songs I have to yet to fully understand, and I don't think they dedicated so many minutes to sound effects. Greg... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 20, 1997 11:33 am Subject: MC 303 and TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tom Coppens Hi Gabe, >> Hi everyone, > > check out your local music store and go to the MC 303 from Roland, and play > patterns A10 A11 and A12 and voila, you have part of a TD track (literally > Tom > Give us a hint...is it classic TD or newer TD? Is it 'No Man's Land'? >> It's very new TD (or Roland you might say ;-) ) and you may not have the track in question... So no, it's not 'No Man's Land', the MC 303 was only released last year if memory serves me correct. It's a rhythm/pattern/drum box nicknamed the Groovebox. Seems fun for technoish stuff and also other things I suppose. Wave ~~~ Tom Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7206 Re: MC 303 and TD Gabe Yedid Sun 9/21/1997 3 KB 7208 Re: Fireworks Webcast feldon@p... Sun 9/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 20, 1997 11:52 am Subject: Re: BAD TRADERS ALERT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: TangerineC@a... ><same standard as I promote. >goozer>> > >Well i'm glad you stand for quality, as the illegal material you were >selling. ;) Such high standards for a guy who auctions bootlegs. Let's get >seriuos now, o.k.? Jeezzz!!!! It's not like it's the end of the world. Take a >vacation. You'll find someone else quick to buy it, i'm sure. Although, i've >found it ten dollars cheaper than what you were selling it for. > And now because of the mudslinging you started(Goozer), I must apologize to >the TD list for going off the topic. I had to take action, if my name is >being badmouthed. And I want everyone to know on this list that if they have >something I want, I buy it. I've done many transactions with people on this >list and it went fine. Goozer just needs to take life a little less >seriously. The End. > Hmmm, I'm confused. Are you confirming or denying Goozer's claim? By the way, do you have a name? Everyone else on this list seems to. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 20, 1997 6:50 pm Subject: Fetal music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves Hi again, It has been mentioned that babies respond to certain music in the womb. Babies are suspended in water and the water makes a good method of transfering sound. However it should be noted that sounds transmitted through water tend to be very sharp/high in the treble range. Such sounds are painful. A child in the womb might be experiencing a lot of pain, and that is why they are so agitated. Those messages of love might be very painful. You should do some research on this before continuing. Sincerely, Matt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 20, 1997 7:43 pm Subject: Corelli / Baby Music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Arcangelo Corelli ( a primary influence on J.S. Bach & Mozart ). That's my vote! If you want E-music/environmental what about Nik Tyndall? MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 20, 1997 7:45 pm Subject: Dream Mixes 2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean What's the word? What's happening? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 8376 Dream Mixes 2 Gerry Fox Wed 11/5/1997 2 KB 8386 Re: Dream Mixes 2 Gabe Yedid Wed 11/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 21, 1997 1:40 am Subject: Re: MC 303 and TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Tom Coppens > > > Hi Gabe, > > > Give us a hint...is it classic TD or newer TD? > > Is it 'No Man's Land'? > >> > > It's very new TD (or Roland you might say ;-) ) and you may not have the > track in question... So no, it's not 'No Man's Land', the MC 303 was only > released last year if memory serves me correct. It's a rhythm/pattern/drum > box nicknamed the Groovebox. Seems fun for technoish stuff and also other > things I suppose. > > Wave ~~~ > > Tom > OK, I'm trying to think of all the groove-oriented newer TD that is heavily percussion-based... Maedchen '97? Order of the Ginger Gild? Something off _Tournado_(like the Big Bolt '220 Volt' maybe? Or Hachfeld's solo)? What is it, already? Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7208 Re: Fireworks Webcast feldon@p... Sun 9/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 21, 1997 3:16 am Subject: Quinoa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'R.A.Seed' Hi all, Well I have just had the chance to listen to Quinoa!!!!!! WOW....great tunes. For those who have the disc in their posession and would like to know what the chinese characters on the front mean, here is a breakdown. There are 3 characters in large black writing and one in red. Translated from the Chinese-English Dictionary. 1. Mak = Sweet or Honey 2. Gan = Loose skinned orange from south china 3. Moong = Dream when 1+2 are pronounced to gether Mak Gan (=Tangerine) Moong (=Dream). Tangerine Dream!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The writing in red means Yen = to grind,to rub into powder Rob N.P Quinoa :) P.S *GOOD TRADERS ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE BE WARNED* VIK trades the amazing material - true to his word. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7210 Re: Quinoa Jeffrey Au-Yeung Mon 9/22/1997 5 KB 7211 Re: Quinoa Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 9/21/1997 3 KB 7212 BotCon '97 CDs Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 9/21/1997 3 KB 7214 Re: Quinoa Michael Fox Sun 9/21/1997 3 KB 10137 Quinoa Stephen, Frank Mon 1/19/1998 2 KB 15539 Quinoa J. Lee Jolley Thu 4/8/1999 1 KB 15543 Re: Quinoa JMPoer Fri 4/9/1999 1 KB 15549 Re: Quinoa Joe Shoults Fri 4/9/1999 1 KB 16773 Quinoa Mats Nordlinder Wed 6/9/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 21, 1997 3:19 am Subject: Re: Fireworks Webcast ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... If you get this before midnight Eastern Standard Time (USA), check out the fireworks in Houston, on my website... I got a video camera out the window... http://www.phoenix.net/~feldon/pyro.html Morgan feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: chiqui@o... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) >A while ago someone wrote to the list saying that he had the master >fantape of a concert of this European Tour '97 and he wanted to change >copies. Are you? Then, write me. You have all my lists, so you know where to ask... -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 21, 1997 2:26 pm Subject: Re: Quinoa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jeffrey Au-Yeung > Really-From: 'R.A.Seed' > > Hi all, > > Well I have just had the chance to listen to Quinoa!!!!!! WOW....great > tunes. > > For those who have the disc in their posession and would like to know > what the chinese characters on the front mean, here is a breakdown. > > There are 3 characters in large black writing and one in red. > > Translated from the Chinese-English Dictionary. > 1. Mak = Sweet or Honey > 2. Gan = Loose skinned orange from south china > 3. Moong = Dream > > when 1+2 are pronounced to gether Mak Gan (=Tangerine) Moong (=Dream). > > Tangerine Dream!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > The writing in red means > Yen = to grind,to rub into powder > > Rob > Hello, Talking about the Chinese characters on the cover of Quinoa, I would like to add the following for those not scared of by linguistics: 1) 'Mak Gan' ('tangerine') seems to me more a Japanese collocation than a Chinese one. In South China, the fruit is simply referred to as 'Gum' (instead of 'Gan', and in Cantonese, not Mandarin Chinese). Note: in Chinese, every word or character is basically a morpheme, which is the basic unit of meaning. A morpheme may or may not have any meaning, but combination of two or more morphemes, known as a particular collocation, gives rise to some specific meaning. It follows that the same morpheme used in connection with different morphemes (i.e. different collocations) gives rise to different meaning. 2) The primary meaning of the red word 'Yen' is 'to study'. The meaning of the word in the sense of 'grind' is very rare in Chinese usage. Even if it is so used the object of the verb is still something abstract, such as ideas, theories etc, in short: something intangible instead of tangible. The orthography of the word 'yen' looks archaic, but after consulting the dictionary I find that the word is actually the simplied form now widely used in mainland China. Note: A system of simplified chinese characters was introduced in mainland China since the 1960s (since the Cultural Revolution?), as opposed to the original complex forms now used in all other Chinese communities. It's basically a political produce than a natural linguistic phonomenon. Jeffrey Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7211 Re: Quinoa Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 9/21/1997 3 KB 7212 BotCon '97 CDs Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 9/21/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 21, 1997 4:44 pm Subject: Re: Quinoa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 10:26 PM 9/21/97 +0800, Jeffrey Au-Yeung wrote: [....] Talking about the Chinese characters on the cover of Quinoa, I would >like to add the following for those not scared of by linguistics: > > 1) 'Mak Gan' ('tangerine') seems to me more a Japanese collocation >than a Chinese one. In South China, the fruit is simply referred to as >'Gum' (instead of 'Gan', and in Cantonese, not Mandarin Chinese). [....] Thanks, Jeffrey. Some of us actually LIKE languages and relish learning something new every day. Could you be so kind to wrap up this very informative discussion by telling us how you would read the Chinese title? Would it be something like 'A Study of Tangerine Dream?' Regards, Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 21, 1997 4:47 pm Subject: BotCon '97 CDs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' Sorry for the off-topic posting, but maybe this will tickle someone's fancy... On someone's recommendation I got hold of BotCon '97's double-CD 'Til All Are One.' Protagonists are Stan Bush with Gary Falcone (on disk #1), and Vince DiCola (on disk #2). This is definitely progrock. Not my cup of tea any longer, it seems, since after one listen I decided I won't be listening to it again. If someone is interested in getting it, I would like a trade. Something new, something blue, something borrowed?.... Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 21, 1997 6:23 pm Subject: D:Solo Week 15 - Sep. 22, 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek This week we would like to hear comments on: Christopher Franke - Babylon 5, Vol. 2 - Pacific Blue - Babylon 5 Box Set, -------------------------------------- and anything else on Chris since next week we will be moving on to Edgar Froese. Please respond with subject 'D:franke_related_title'. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 21, 1997 1:35 pm Subject: Re: Quinoa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 11:16 AM 9/21/97 +0800, you wrote: OK, Rob! I was gonna wait on getting this, but now you've done it! The canned beans I'll be eating for supper this week are your fault! Thanks for the cover info--pretty cool! Oh, and one more thing.....Vik is definately on the Good Trader List. Mike >Really-From: 'R.A.Seed' > > >Hi all, > >Well I have just had the chance to listen to Quinoa!!!!!! WOW....great >tunes. > >For those who have the disc in their posession and would like to know >what the chinese characters on the front mean, here is a breakdown. > >There are 3 characters in large black writing and one in red. > >Translated from the Chinese-English Dictionary. >1. Mak = Sweet or Honey >2. Gan = Loose skinned orange from south china >3. Moong = Dream > >when 1+2 are pronounced to gether Mak Gan (=Tangerine) Moong (=Dream). > >Tangerine Dream!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >The writing in red means >Yen = to grind,to rub into powder > > >Rob > >N.P Quinoa :) > >P.S *GOOD TRADERS ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE BE WARNED* > VIK trades the amazing material - true to his word. > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 21, 1997 8:14 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #44;Tangerine Dream: Der Meteor soundtrack ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gary Struhlik Your message: >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:17:22 -0400 >Subject: Tangerine Dream: Der Meteor soundtrack > >Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@c...> > >Hey folks, > >Now here's one that snuck up and blindsided us! Check out the Voiceprint = >UK >Web site for yet another TDI release. Anyone out there have any idea what= > >this is? Looks like a German TV show or film? = > > >Funny that TD didn't even mention this on their homepage yet.... > >- --John > >- ----------------------------------------------------------------- >Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor (1997) =A3 12.95 >Originalmusik: Tangerine Dream > = > >Track Listing >1. Haus der Welt I = > > 2 ' 24 ' >2. Ein Traum = > > 2 ' 55 ' >3. Am Hafen = > > 3 ' 11 ' >4. Unheimliches passiert = > > 5 ' 16 ' > 5. Der Professor = > > 3 ' 00 ' > 6. Das Buch Midrad = > > 4 ' 22 ' >7. In der Bibliothek = > > 6 ' 08 ' >8. Der Heliograph = > > 2 ' 28 ' >9. Die Helden der Stadt = > > 5 ' 04 ' >10. Im Labor = > > 1 ' 46 ' >11. Haus der Welt II = > > 6 ' 25 ' >total playing time : 42 ' 59' > > I didn't read your message from 17 Sep 1997 until yet. I was discovering the 'voice print' link on TD's web site today and then I began to serach any informations about this soundtrack. I think there are only two messages about the soundtrack 'Der Meteor' your message and a question from Craig Cordrey (19 Sep 1997). I also wonder why this soundtrack was not mentioned on TD's web site. I hope we can get this CD all over the world and it is not a limited edition which can only purchased at 'voice print'. Gary S. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Re: Sonambulistic Info ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Neal McAuley The list wrote: >Not sure how many copies were made, but Sonambulistic is from June 1986 at >Laguna Hills, California (is Newport Beach near there?) To get technical, the concert was held at Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre in Irvine CA (Laguna Hills being two stops down the freeway). I know this because I was there in the first & second rows. One of these days, I'll get to hear this CD. I have this fear that I might be one of those voices on the recording since I'm sure whomever recorded it was in the orchestra pit area to get the best sound. My voice tends to carry as well. Hopefully, one of the voices heard on the soundtrack isn't the idiot who kept screaming loudly as though he were at a metal concert. During one of the quiet bits (Haslinger playing a grand piano solo), he even screamed out guesses as to the composer (all of them wrong). Haslinger actually looked out in the audience and shook his head as if to say 'What are ya? Stupid?' I had a chance to talk to a friend of Paul's and he vaguely remembers the screamer. Neal :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 21, 1997 11:48 pm Subject: Bad Trader (not!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: spidey For what it's worth, I've dealt with TangerineC@a... and have had no problems at all. Now let's get back to TD! Oscar Dean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 22, 1997 1:31 pm Subject: DIgital Gothic ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Sorry if this is a repeat, but it is available through EUROCK at apatters@t... OR www.eurock.com for $18 plus shipping.... MJ NP: NOTHING From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 22, 1997 6:44 pm Subject: Tu oferta de CDs de Vangelis de 17.09.97 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Tony Adams Hola ! Te quedan aun los bootlegs siguientes ? Te los compraria para el precio indicado ! CD Sex Power CD Hypothesis CD The Dragon CD Fais que Ton Reve ... Di-me por favor si los tienes aun y como te los podria pagar ? Gracias Tony Adams (un ingles que vive en Alemania con muchos buenos amigos en Espana) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 22, 1997 6:59 pm Subject: Paris Edge ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' Hello at all. Where can I to buy the bootleg Paris Edge? A place is the shop Progtron. Bye bye. José Ramón Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7223 Re: Paris Edge Jorge Moreira Sat 8/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 22, 1997 6:54 pm Subject: How many copies of Optical Race Tour North America '88? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' Hi, dreamers: How many copies exist of Optical Race Tour North America '88? Thanks for advance. José Ramón From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 22, 1997 7:13 pm Subject: Stratosfear mirror ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ashok prema I have a very rare TD item - it is a mirror with the 'Stratosfear' album cover on it - the mirror shines through where the sky would be in the top half of the image and within the increasing size rhombus shapes in the lower half - I purchased it from Carnaby Street (Yes - THAT Carnaby Street in London), around 1980 or so - offers are invited off-line please. Oh Yes, the size is 33cms square and it is in a chrome coated plastic frame - so its quite light. Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Aug 2, 1997 9:23 am Subject: Re: Paris Edge ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jorge Moreira Hi, all. Where can I buy the bootleg 'Antarktis', Best regards, Jorge Moreira. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: JIM & PABLO - DER METEOR ?!?! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Er, ah, um . . . does anybody know anything about this puppy yet? I think it'll be rare because none of the credits are in English. I mean, even the credits to HEARTBREAKERS, THE MAN INSIDE, and ZOO OF TRANQILITY were in English. So, will this little number go the way of the dodo and the Australian GOBLINS' CLUB? ;) -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7226 Re: JIM & PABLO - DER METEOR ?!?! Steven Feldman Tue 9/23/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 22, 1997 10:18 pm Subject: grownup music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS in a previous letter hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) states think TDs music is for the most part 'grown-up' musicThe possible exception may be Rumpeltstiltskin, although I haven't listened to it yet. I know many of you would probably kill me for saying this, but I find Kraftwerk to be more of a challenge mentally than TD....... Prepare to die!!!! Just kidding, I will have to disagree tho, Listen to rumplestilskin , it is very similar to the CLASSICAl music you also enjoy. Also fellow tangers, I saw SOLO yesterday and heard ole CHRISTOPHER FRANKES latest try at FILM composition......please lord hear my prayer....slap ole CHRIS a roundabout. I enjoy experimentation and all but it seems to me he's going through the motions in his soundtrack work . Just cuz he prefers to distance himself from TANG doesn't mean he's got to be so darn repetitous! John williams he ain't!!!!! Opinions? I mean he has done enuff of these things lately. BY the way since I don't have it and no one seems to have discussed last weeks topic...how is PERRY by Franke? Is is electronic or is it more his hollywood celestine style? And is he doing the Celestine serires or not? Also I have a source for the 70-80 lp box set for 40.00 Should I , is this worth it??? Tank you...hi Lars! Hi goozer!!!! Christopher From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 22, 1997 11:36 pm Subject: RE: JIM & PABLO - DER METEOR ?!?! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS ---------- From: tadream mailing list Sent: Monday, September 22, 1997 6:20 PM To: tadream@c... Subject: JIM & PABLO - DER METEOR ?!?! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Er, ah, um . . . does anybody know anything about this puppy yet? I think it'll be rare because none of the credits are in English. I mean, even the credits to HEARTBREAKERS, THE MAN INSIDE, and ZOO OF TRANQILITY were in English. So, will this little number go the way of the dodo and the Australian GOBLINS' CLUB? ;) -- Steven Feldman Why the australian GOBLINS club?? Why is this rare? why? chris/bruno From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 23, 1997 12:47 am Subject: Rumpelstiltskin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AslanFan1@a... A couple of people asked me to reserve the hard-to-find TD CD 'Rumpelstiltskin' but they never sent payment. As a result, they are now available while supplies last. If anyone is wanting one of these, please email me for details. Thanks! -Alan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7228 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Anthony G. Francis, Jr. Tue 9/23/1997 3 KB 7235 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Jeffrey Au-Yeung Wed 9/24/1997 3 KB 27299 Rumpelstiltskin olle.rundgren@s... Fri 6/1/2001 2 KB 27300 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Totta Rydqvist Fri 6/1/2001 3 KB 27302 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Frank Arellano Fri 6/1/2001 3 KB 27303 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Kees Fri 6/1/2001 2 KB 27316 Re: Rumpelstiltskin GCall10692@a... Sat 6/2/2001 2 KB 27317 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Phil White Sat 6/2/2001 2 KB 27319 Re: Rumpelstiltskin Kees Sat 6/2/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 23, 1997 1:14 am Subject: Re: Rumpelstiltskin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: centaur@c... (Anthony G. Francis, Jr.) And the details would be for those who are interested? -Anthony -- Anthony G. Francis, Jr. | cen.taur \'sen-.to.(*)r\ n AI/Cognitive Science Group | [ME, fr. L Centaurus, fr. Gk Kentauros] College of Computing | 1: one of a race fabled to be half man Georgia Institute of Technology | and half horse and to dwell in the Atlanta, Georgia 30332-0280 | mountains of Thessaly. Phone: (404) 894-2590 | 2: nickname for this AI grad student Net: centaur@c... - http://www.cc.gatech.edu/ai/students/centaur/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 23, 1997 9:14 am Subject: Looking for Mark Filipak ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton Hi folks, Sorry for the off-topic. I've lost contact with the famous Mr. F for a couple weeks. The last I heard was a generic message he sent from a friend's account saying his mail account had gone down, then......nothing. Has anyone else heard from him ? If so, is he doing OK ? Please reply off-list, or on-list if you feel that the information would benefit any other members. Thanks, Grant Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7253 Re: Looking for Mark Filipak Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 9/25/1997 3 KB 9246 Looking for Mark Filipak Hammer1612@a... Wed 12/3/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 23, 1997 8:04 am Subject: Re: JIM & PABLO -Initial View ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@c...> Sender: tadream-request@c... Received: from cs.uwp.edu (cs.uwp.edu [131.210.1.4]) by arl-img-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.5) with ESMTP id SAA08450; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@l...) by cs.uwp.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) id RAA28791 for tadream-members; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:25:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199709222225.RAA28791@c...> Received: from BROWNVM.brown.edu (brownvm.brown.edu [128.148.19.19]) by cs.uwp.edu (8.7.6/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA28781 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:25:47 -0500 Received: from BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU by BROWNVM.brown.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1123; Mon, 22 Sep 97 18:24:06 EDT Received: from BROWNVM (NJE origin AR402004@B...) by BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4967; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:24:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 97 18:20:36 EDT >Really-From: Steven Feldman > Er, ah, um . . . does anybody know anything about this puppy yet? >I think it'll be rare because none of the credits are in English. >I mean, even the credits to HEARTBREAKERS, THE MAN INSIDE, and ZOO OF >TRANQILITY were in English. So, will this little number go the way of >the dodo and the Australian GOBLINS' CLUB? ;) > -- Steven Feldman Mine arrived yesterday morning from Voiceprint. Initial impressions: Not what I expected. It appears to be a story in German with music in the background, what I've heard so far is all new music, but there's an awful lot of dialogue. I've only had the most cursory of listens up to this point. The CD itself doesn't appear to have a label, in fact there's no spine info at all. The only give-away is a small TDI logo on the rear of the CD, but no catalogue numbers anwhere. Andy. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7236 Re: JIM & PABLO -Initial View Jens Peschke Wed 9/24/1997 3 KB 7240 Re: JIM & PABLO -Initial View Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Wed 9/24/1997 4 KB 7244 Re: JIM & PABLO -Initial View Jens Peschke Tue 8/26/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 23, 1997 8:54 am Subject: Online Shopping ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm) Does anyone have any web pages for online record shops that stock TD etc that is based in Europe and has good prices? Thanks, Lawry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 23, 1997 1:17 pm Subject: SMD Synth Music Direct ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean I received my promotional CD that was mentiioned on the list earlier in the month... Its quite nice and includes: Asana, IAn Boddy, T-Bass, Synthetik, Jim Kirkwood, Airsculpture, Lyle Newton, and Radio Massacre International...THose who didn't ask for one certainly should reconsider! Mike J, From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 23, 1997 1:26 pm Subject: D: Franke B5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean This morning I've been listening to 'A Late Delivery from Avalon'. Certainly the most unique collection in the recent 'cult' releases. Many of the tracks have a nice celtic flavor, with some middle eastern influences as well... Perhaps Loreena McKennitt will be making a guest appearance soon (ha ha ha). Track 16 'The Truth' on my copy seems to be BLANK...does anyone else have this problem? The 'WALKABOUT' disc features two vocal tracks, one with lyrics written by J. Michael Straczynski, and the other written by C. Franke. The vocals are kind of 'bluesy' and contain wonderful lyrics like 'Oh lie to me until I believe I will be here in your arms for eternity', and 'I gave you love, you gave me fire, I took you in, you took me higher. If I wasn't what you wanted then tell me what it was...' Hmmmmmmmmm The voclaist is Erica Gimpel. That's it for now! MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7254 Re: D: Franke B5 Janne Salmijärvi Thu 9/25/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: TD in German TV ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) After the dissapointment of last night (it was, again another, cut-down version of the portrait on June 16) here's something better : German WDR-TV, Thursday Sept. 25, 20:15-21:42 h Tatort - Bis zum Hals im Dreck (1991) Original Soundtrack Music : TD and Chi Coltrane -klaus- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7327 TD in German TV Klaus Beschorner Tue 9/30/1997 3 KB 7381 Re: TD in German TV Francisco Salgado C. Thu 10/2/1997 4 KB 7397 Re: TD in German TV Michael Fox Thu 10/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 23, 1997 1:11 pm Subject: Re: Rumpelstiltskin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jeffrey Au-Yeung tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: AslanFan1@a... > > A couple of people asked me to reserve the hard-to-find TD CD > 'Rumpelstiltskin' but they never sent payment. As a result, they are now > available while supplies last. If anyone is wanting one of these, please > email me for details. Thanks! > -Alan Dear Alan, I'm interested in a copy of Rumpelstiltskin US CD. Can you give details regarding the release, for how much you would sell it and what else do you offer for sale? Jeffrey Au-Yeung Hong Kong, China From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 23, 1997 6:53 pm Subject: Re: JIM & PABLO -Initial View ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@c...> > [...] > > The CD itself doesn't appear to have a label, in fact there's no spine info > at all. > The only give-away is a small TDI logo on the rear of the CD, but no > catalogue numbers anwhere. > > Andy. Thanks for the informations, Andy. You save our money :-) This seems to be an unofficial TDI (means piracy) release. Otherwise it would be mentioned on www.netstore.de/tadream. No? Since 98% of the TD fans don´t understand German dialogues, this seems to be the most TD crap stuff ever released. Jens PS: If you want me to translate the dialogues for you, you can send me a tape-copy. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7240 Re: JIM & PABLO -Initial View Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Wed 9/24/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 23, 1997 7:59 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #49; JIM & PABLO - DER METEOR ?!?! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gary Struhlik At 02:02 23.09.97 -0500, you wrote: >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Mon, 22 Sep 97 18:20:36 EDT >Subject: JIM & PABLO - DER METEOR ?!?! >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > Er, ah, um . . . does anybody know anything about this puppy yet? >I think it'll be rare because none of the credits are in English. Indeed this is very strange all tracks of older TD soundtracks are in english. I don't know a CD with tracks in german. E.g. EF 'Kamikaze 1989' the movie was produced in Germany but no track has got a german name. Gary S. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7238 Re: tadream-digest V16 #49; JIM & PABLO - DER MET Sean Montgomery Wed 9/24/1997 3 KB 7243 Re: tadream-digest V16 #49; JIM & PABLO - DER MET Gabe Yedid Wed 9/24/1997 3 KB 7250 Re: tadream-digest V16 #49; JIM & PABLO - DER MET Gary Struhlik Thu 9/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 23, 1997 8:02 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #49; JIM & PABLO - DER METEOR ?!?! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Indeed this is very strange all tracks of older TD soundtracks > are in english. I don't know a CD with tracks in german. > E.g. EF 'Kamikaze 1989' the movie was produced in Germany > but no track has got a german name. Oh? My copy of Kamakaze 1989 on vinyl is all in German. Der 31 Stock! Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: ZOO OF T, Aussie GOBLINS', DER METEOR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Hi All, This is to answer some brief questions from both the list and from private e-mail messsages: o ZOO OF TRANQILITY, Johannes Schmoelling's 2nd solo LP, from 1988, is out of print, and was hard to get in the first place. Supposedly, it will be released by TDI with extra tracks. Then again, Johannes claimed the very same thing a few years back. o The Australian GOBLINS' CLUB, available at TD's recent European shows, has a track called 'Fort Worth Runway One' instead of 'Elf June and the Midnight Patrol.' o I recall someone posting here awhile back about how there are devices which allow one to remove the vocals from a recording. If this is so, might I suggest that someone do this to the following three TD-related items that have narration over TD-related music and put the results on CD-Rs? ;) TRANSFORMATION OF MIND (narration by Deepak Chopra, music by Franke) ZAUBERGEIGER SETTEMBRINI (narr by Martin Burkhardt, music by Schmoelling) JIM & PABLO - DER METEOR (narration by ?, music by Tangerine Dream Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Dreams Word, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Emdreams, CNI News, Contact ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ Forum, _PEER_ Perspectives, ^ ^ - _ \ 02146-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ the Nausicaa list, Tadream. ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^_- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HAYAO MIYAZAKI DISCUSSION GROUP: nausicaa@b... ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ <*> Address for subscribing: listserv@b... <*> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 24, 1997 9:05 am Subject: Re: JIM & PABLO -Initial View ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > >This seems to be an unofficial TDI (means piracy) release. I would think it unlikely that Voiceprint would risk their unique and exclusive deal with TD and TDI by selling pirate copies of unofficial albums. And given that they have such close links with TD and TDI (I assume this given their release of CDs well in advance of them being available in shops, and their location on the official TD page), I would also guess that they would immediately smell a rat if these CDs came from a different source. >Otherwise it would be mentioned on www.netstore.de/tadream. No? Admittedly, this does appear strange, and I have no answer for it. However, it is perhaps worth pointing out that nothing on the TD page has been updated since August 15th (as far as I've seen), so maybe they just haven't got around to updating their page yet. > >Since 98% of the TD fans don´t understand German dialogues, >this seems to be the most TD crap stuff ever released. This seems a strange comment to make when you haven't heard the CD, Jens. There are various other TD tracks which contain indecipherable dialog (backwards spoken, Russian, sung badly, etc.). Are these all also 'crap'? >Jens > >PS: If you want me to translate the dialogues for you, >you can send me a tape-copy. Good idea, don't buy what might be a pirate CD - get a tape copy of what is probably an official CD! ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 24, 1997 11:20 am Subject: TD and MC 303 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tom Coppens Hi Gabe, you were right 'Order of the Ginger Gild' is composed mainly out of patterns A 11 A 12 and A13 of the Groovebox aka Roland MC 303. Cheers, Tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 24, 1997 11:25 am Subject: TD related available ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'neil vanlaten' Greetings, Only received one trade offer for the Schmoelling Zoo of Tranquility CD (Theta label). This is a brilliant album second only to his Wievund Have a few copies of Coeffecient of Aural Expansion (pt 1) and Spherical Harmonics (pt1) on CD. I will accept trade only offers. E-mail me directly if interested. Neil ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 24, 1997 2:34 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #49; JIM & PABLO - DER METEOR ?!?! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Gary Struhlik > > > Er, ah, um . . . does anybody know anything about this puppy yet? > >I think it'll be rare because none of the credits are in English. > > Indeed this is very strange all tracks of older TD soundtracks > are in english. I don't know a CD with tracks in german. > E.g. EF 'Kamikaze 1989' the movie was produced in Germany > but no track has got a german name. > > Gary S. This isn't *quite* so. The track listings on the LP itself (not the cover) are in German. Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Aug 26, 1997 8:04 am Subject: Re: JIM & PABLO -Initial View ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jens Peschke > >Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 > > >>Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > >> > >>This seems to be an unofficial TDI (means piracy) release. > > >I would think it unlikely that Voiceprint would risk their unique and exclusive > >deal with TD and TDI by selling pirate copies of unofficial albums. > I never saw an official CD without any ID-number, spin informations. That´s the reason why I think it is an unofficial (piracy) release. > >>Otherwise it would be mentioned on www.netstore.de/tadream. No? > > >Admittedly, this does appear strange, and I have no answer for it. However, it > >is perhaps worth pointing out that nothing on the TD page has been updated > >since August 15th (as far as I've seen), so maybe they just haven't got around > >to updating their page yet. Agree. > >There > >are various other TD tracks which contain indecipherable dialog (backwards > >spoken, Russian, sung badly, etc.). Are these all also 'crap'? No. These monologues are part of the music. The fit perfectly. Point.If I understood Andy right, on JIM & PABLO the music is the background of the dialogues. So the dialogues seem to be not part of the music. This seems to be crap! Just my 2 cents. > >>PS: If you want me to translate the dialogues for you, > >>you can send me a tape-copy. > > >Good idea, don't buy what might be a pirate CD - get a tape copy of what is > >probably an official CD! I don´t want to get a copy of it for me, I want to help, to translate the dialoguesfor those who aren´t familiar with the German language. For that purpose I must hear them. Got it, Craig ? Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 24, 1997 3:35 pm Subject: D:Perry Rhodan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Christopher Franke's 'Perry Rhodan Pax Terra' CD is quite good in my opinion! I've been listening to it more than any other of his recent releases. It is again one of these soundtrack type releases with a mixture or orchestral, vocal, and electronic. This CD also contains some long tracks (11:52, 10:40, 9:24, ...) There are some very nice passages showing that Chris still has that electronic genius in him. I especially like track #6 titled 'Frost Ruby'. The cover of the CD is very plain (sliver text on black), but the booklet is packed with colorful sci-fi photos. Anyway, this is not a review, but just a quick note to bring to attention this important work of his. I think Franke fans should invest in this one. Also, there is a CD single called 'Bridge to Eternity'. It is a very nice 'shaped' picture CD. One of the first of it's kind that I've seen. I recommend that you pick this one up if you find a copy. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 24, 1997 5:09 pm Subject: Compilation cd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ashok prema You wrote:: >>I received my promotional CD that was mentiioned on the list earlier in >the month... Its quite nice and includes: Asana, IAn Boddy, T-Bass, >Synthetik, Jim Kirkwood, Airsculpture, Lyle Newton, and Radio Massacre >International...THose who didn't ask for one certainly should reconsider! >Mike J, NOT to be confused with the forthcoming compilation cd I have been talking about. The title of the mine is 'Is There Anybody Out There?' and comprises EXCLUSIVE tracks from the following: Paul Lawler Andy Pickford Paul Ward David Wright T-Bass John Dyson Paul Ward Red Shift You can place orders with Progtron/ Eurock..........it should be with them within 3 weeks now. Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7944 Compilation cd ashok prema Tue 10/21/1997 3 KB 7951 Re: Compilation cd Paul Nagle Tue 10/21/1997 3 KB 8040 Re: Compilation cd Jens Peschke Sat 10/25/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 24, 1997 5:18 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #50 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ashok prema At 02:01 24/09/97 -0500, you wrote: > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:17:45 -0500 (CDT) >Subject: SMD Synth Music Direct > >- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: Michael A Jean > >I received my promotional CD that was mentiioned on the list earlier in >the month... Its quite nice and includes: Asana, IAn Boddy, T-Bass, >Synthetik, Jim Kirkwood, Airsculpture, Lyle Newton, and Radio Massacre >International...THose who didn't ask for one certainly should reconsider! > >Mike J, > > > > >------------------------------ NOT to be confused with the compilation I have been talking about. Mine is titled 'Is There Anybody Out There' - all SMD members will receive a free copy......others can get it from Progtron/Eurock in the States and from C & D in the UK and Cue Records in Europe. Tracks are EXCLUSIVE and by: Paul Lawler Andy Pickford Red Shift David Wright T-Bass AirSculpture Paul Ward Radio massacre Int'l John Dyson (1st new music in years!!) Should be available from mid October. Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7249 Re: tadream-digest V16 #50 Steven Feldman Wed 9/24/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 24, 1997 5:23 pm Subject: REMOVE REMOVE From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #50 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Re: tadream-digest V16 #50 >Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:18:36 +0100 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: ashok prema > >At 02:01 24/09/97 -0500, you wrote: > >>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >>Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:17:45 -0500 (CDT) >>Subject: SMD Synth Music Direct >>Really-From: Michael A Jean >> >>I received my promotional CD that was mentiioned on the list earlier in >>the month... Its quite nice and includes: Asana, IAn Boddy, T-Bass, >>Synthetik, Jim Kirkwood, Airsculpture, Lyle Newton, and Radio Massacre >>International...THose who didn't ask for one certainly should reconsider! Okay, I'm asking. How/where do I get a copy? And what's the name of it? >NOT to be confused with the compilation I have been talking about. Mine is >titled 'Is There Anybody Out There' - all SMD members will receive a free >copy......others can get it from Progtron/Eurock in the States and from C & >D in the UK and Cue Records in Europe. For about what price? (Also, I forgot: what does 'SMD' stand for?) >Tracks are EXCLUSIVE and by: > >Paul Lawler >Andy Pickford >Red Shift >David Wright >T-Bass >AirSculpture >Paul Ward >Radio massacre Int'l >John Dyson (1st new music in years!!) > >Should be available from mid October. Red Shift, eh? Ratters! That means I'll have to get one. >Ash -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 24, 1997 6:32 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #49; JIM & PABLO - DER METEOR ?!?! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gary Struhlik At 02:01 24.09.97 -0500, you wrote: >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:02:37 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #49; JIM & PABLO - DER METEOR ?!?! >Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >> Indeed this is very strange all tracks of older TD soundtracks >> are in english. I don't know a CD with tracks in german. >> E.g. EF 'Kamikaze 1989' the movie was produced in Germany >> but no track has got a german name. > >Oh? My copy of Kamakaze 1989 on vinyl is all in German. Der 31 Stock! I have the CD (P)(C)1992 by Virgin records. There are no german words ! Only english. 'The 31st. Floor 2:15'! Gary S. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 24, 1997 8:48 pm Subject: German track names ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vincent Codd tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to > majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > > > Really-From: Gary Struhlik > > > > > Er, ah, um . . . does anybody know anything about this puppy > yet? > > >I think it'll be rare because none of the credits are in English. > > > > Indeed this is very strange all tracks of older TD soundtracks > > are in english. I don't know a CD with tracks in german. > > E.g. EF 'Kamikaze 1989' the movie was produced in Germany > > but no track has got a german name. > > > > Gary S. > > This isn't *quite* so. The track listings on the LP itself (not the > cover) are in German. > > Gabe > > real email addresses: gabe@c... > gyedid@p... Hi chaps and chapesses Another TD vinyl in my collection is a 'Super Sound Single' from 1982, 30cm 45rpm, titled 'Die Melodie aus dem gleichnamigen', containing the tracks. Side 1: Das Madchen auf der Trepp Flock Side 2: Katja Speed This single is on the Virgin Label reference 600 651-213. I've always been curious about the photos on the sleeve. Is this music from a German TV show? One of the tracks (I can't remember which at the moment) is a remix of White Eagle. Cheers Vince Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7255 Re: German track names Martin Schmidt Thu 9/25/1997 4 KB 7256 Re: German track names Stefan Guttmann Thu 9/25/1997 3 KB 7257 Re: German track names Jens Peschke Wed 8/27/1997 2 KB 7258 Re: German track names Jens Peschke Thu 9/25/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Sep 24, 1997 9:06 pm Subject: Edgar Froese in The Keep? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' Hello, dreamers. I don't know if this has been discuss here or how many people know it, but...: There is some people that believe that Edgar Froese appear as an actor in the film The Keep. Look: This is in the beginnig of the film... The nazi soldiers arrive at the village... The villager look at the soldiers with fear... Then, a scene with two person sit down, in the right a old woman, in the left a strange man. Okey, look at his look, don't remember to Edgar Froese, but disguise? I don't know that believe. What do you think? Edgar, are you? Regards from Spain, José Ramón From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 25, 1997 1:44 am Subject: Re: Looking for Mark Filipak ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 09:14 AM 9/23/97 +0000, Grant wrote: >Hi folks, > >Sorry for the off-topic. I've lost contact with the famous >Mr. F for a couple weeks. The last I heard was a generic >message he sent from a friend's account saying his mail >account had gone down, then......nothing. > >Has anyone else heard from him ? If so, is he doing OK ? >Please reply off-list, or on-list if you feel that the >information would benefit any other members. > >Thanks, > > Grant > Actually, none of us have heard from him. And we MISS him. don't we, fellows? Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Re: D: Franke B5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Janne Salmijärvi' In Tangerine Dream Mailing List quoth tadream mailing list (tadream@c...): > Really-From: Michael A Jean > This morning I've been listening to 'A Late Delivery from Avalon'. > Certainly the most unique collection in the recent 'cult' releases. Yes, everyone (the other 2 besides me) who have heard them, have said the same, and I won't disagree. Avalon is musically the one that's most whole. The others seem to suffer from the 'whamepisode' syndrome. That is, the music is mostly that battlemusic stuff. It works better on soundtracks Vol1 & Vol2, where the music has time to develop, but as in the episode there is limited time, so on these CDs. Most of the tracks are rather short, with some exceptions, so we have a minute or so of crashing and building up and when there should be the release, the track ends. Somewhat annoying. > Track 16 'The Truth' on my copy seems to be BLANK...does anyone else > have this problem? Yes, every disc on the first pressing of Avalon has the same problem. Sonic Images is now repressing the CD and they should send the free replacement disc when they're finished. They told not to lose the CD since it will one day be a collector's item. :-) > The 'WALKABOUT' disc features two vocal tracks, one with lyrics > written by J. Michael Straczynski, and the other written by C. > Franke. Actually, both have lyrics by JMS. First song was composed by EG and the song in endtitles by CF. Good thing they appeared on this episodic soundtrack, that way they will most likely stay away from the Vol3 soundtrack that will eventually come, without a doubt. Vocal tracks might not fit in nicely. -jhsa From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 25, 1997 6:27 pm Subject: Re: German track names ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Martin Schmidt' -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi * Am 24 Sep 97 hat tadream mailing list geschrieben: on 24 Sep 97 tadream mailing list wrote: > ----- Really-From: Vincent Codd [...] > Hi chaps and chapesses > > Another TD vinyl in my collection is a 'Super Sound Single' from 1982, > 30cm 45rpm, titled 'Die Melodie aus dem gleichnamigen', containing the > tracks. > I think it must read 'Die Melodie aus dem gleichnamigen Film/Krimi/Tatort', which means 'the melody from the film/series with the same name'. > Side 1: > Das Madchen auf der Trepp > Flock > > Side 2: > Katja > Speed > > This single is on the Virgin Label reference 600 651-213. I've always > been curious about the photos on the sleeve. Is this music from a German > TV show? One of the tracks (I can't remember which at the moment) is a > remix of White Eagle. > It is the Soundtrack of a '`Tatort'' crime thriller from German TV. 'Das M'adchen auf der Treppe'' is indeed a kind of 'white eagle' remix. IIRC it is included unter the same name in a TD CD (sorry -- couldn't remeber the CD name). Martin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i Comment: Requires PGP version 2.6 or later. iQCVAwUBNCnMKykNtNvWhidlAQFaGQP/Rkg2JhBFCNaSjMmW+8vF+z4e/ICJ4J6+ eFmEaGMkz+KSHI8pdlYX06OWjG3bDE8Kfoce9OXA3VO5XykBTb1IgMlY5qVfMtBL eO+wrTVki1zoo8l0USqp6aVQNFxR+NrYZbvG4GyiUZWBizSzPdxbbdZqComAaSS+ zDkjEN2SiD4=ipnI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Re: German track names ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: S_Guttmann@t... (Stefan Guttmann) You wrote: >Another TD vinyl in my collection is a 'Super Sound Single' from 1982, >30cm 45rpm, titled 'Die Melodie aus dem gleichnamigen', containing the >tracks. Hi Vince, this vinyl in your collection is a soundtrack for a german TV film called 'Tatort'. In germany this is a very popular TV crime-serial since over 20 years. The title of one episode in 1982 was 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe'. You're right, this is a remix of White Eagle, renamed to the title of the film (in german : 'Die Musik zum gleichnamigen Film'). regards, Stefan (S_Guttmann@t...) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Aug 27, 1997 4:41 am Subject: Re: German track names ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jens Peschke > 'Tatort' means 'scene of crime', BTW Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 25, 1997 5:02 am Subject: Re: German track names ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' [Vincent Codd sayed] > Hi chaps and chapesses > > Another TD vinyl in my collection is a 'Super Sound Single' from 1982, > 30cm 45rpm, titled 'Die Melodie aus dem gleichnamigen', containing the > tracks. It is called 'Die Melodie aus dem gleichnamigen Tatort', 'The melody from the scene of crime with the same title' (the girl on the stairs). > Side 1: > Das Mädchen auf der Treppe > Flock > > Side 2: > Katja > Speed > > This single is on the Virgin Label reference 600 651-213. I've always > been curious about the photos on the sleeve. Is this music from a German > TV show? One of the tracks (I can't remember which at the moment) is a > remix of White Eagle. It´s the music of ONE part of the German TV series 'Tatort' (scene of crime) with Götz George as commissar Schimanski from Duisburg. At 1982 the 'Tatort' was very successful in Germany and the single was in the German top 20. 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' is a remix of 'White eagle'. A remix of that remix is on the 1997 limited world tour single, BTW. Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 26, 1997 6:17 pm Subject: Tatort 1991 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: hkraft@c... Thanks to Klaus for letting us know about the 1991 Tatort 'Bis zum Hals im Dreck' which was great to watch last night (first time for me). I was amazed how much new material TD had composed for this episode. I think there were at least 10 or more different segments of incidental music composed for this show. Made for very nice background music to the film. The other amazing thing was how well the scenes and the music matched. I think there can be no doubt that TD had either the movie itself or at least a very detailed scene description to work with. On the other hand, I am not surprised that this kind of material was not released as a soundtrack album, most of it could probably not stand on its own. Most of the music was composed out of the typical building blocks for film music - some slow chord progressions, some short driving sequencer (but no melody), some drum patterns, some piano twinkles and so on. And...believe it or not, almost every single track, whether fast or slow, upbeat or sad, had lots and lots and lots of ....take one guess .... yes, the famous harpsichord sample over and over again - aaarrghh. Well, since it was 1991, what else could we expect? The famous 'I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You' track with Chi Coltrane appeared at the end of show from the last scene into the end credits and came as a suprise as it beared no relation to the film or the rest of the music TD did for this show. Anyway, this track was indeed the only memorable piece, plus the music that was later beefed up into 'One Night In Medina' (Instrumental), so it is appropriate that these two were released on a CD single. The rest was well done film music, but nothing you would want to listen to on its own. Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 26, 1997 7:22 pm Subject: Music for Unborns Revisited ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: hkraft@c... Lars, sorry I never got around to our discussion about music for unborn babies again, it was a very busy week here. Here are some thougts. However, I believe we need to take this dicussion to email, as there is practically no more TD content in it. I really like the point you make about how babies learn how to speak from grown-ups: indeed it is important not to talk down to them and also not to use 'baby-talk', but rather speak normal as we would always do. And you are right, it is important for any child to first listen to the sound of language, even if it doesn't at first understand a word, then slowly it will recognize pieces and parts until it all begins to make more and more sense. From that point of view, it would make perfect sense to draw the analogy to music: By playing music, even if complex, the baby subconciously discovers pieces such as notes, tempo, structure etc until it can begin to understand more and more of it. But: in reality (i.e. outside a lab) we never isolate the two methods of 'teaching' (start easy, build to more complex) or 'learning' (let the brain discover it on its own) because we always use a combination of the two. A child listens to its parent's conversations, yet we do take time to explain to it parts it doesn't understand and use children's books etc. This approach is probably the best, because it encourages the brain from both directions. Either method alone would take longer to reach its target. This would then in turn mean that we would have to play both kinds of music to the baby. Yeah, a simple melody during the day and a blast of TD in the evening, that's it! >Thus, it probably doesn't matter if we play TD to ours > or if you sing to yours, both will produce postive results. Yes, to a degree. BUT: interestingly, I just received a brochure from a company that advertises a set of 4 tapes 'music for babies'. Tape 1 is for in-utero, the rest of the tapes is for every 6 months of development. I don't know what exactly is on the tapes, but they say it is based on scientific studies (yeah, of course - what else would they say?) and claim that it is a combination of simple patterns (developing from heartbeat to more complex rhythms) as well as 'music without melody based on natural sounds such as flutes, birds etc.' They claim that lab studies have shown that babies respond in a very positive way to all sounds that are described as 'pure' and name as examples for pure sounds: musical box, bird, flute, glockenspiel etc. Funny thing is: even in this advertising brochure they state that these tapes have been proven to stimulate the babies development but admit that the tapes are only the next best thing, second to the human voice! If a company that wants to sell their product puts such a disclaimer in their brochure, then there must be very clear results that the human voice is better, results which they cannot argue against. Anyway, if the brochure is accurate, then we also have an answer to the question of what babies 'like' and don't like. A funny thought: What if I actually bought those tapes and found out that they contain music.....by Tangerine Dream! Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 26, 1997 1:57 pm Subject: Edgar in drag... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, Still lurking... A little while ago JosÈ RamÛn wrote : > There is some people that believe that Edgar Froese appear as an actor in >the film The Keep. Look: This is in the beginnig of the film... The nazi >soldiers arrive at the village... The villager look at the soldiers with >fear... Then, a scene with two person sit down, in the right a old woman, in >the left a strange man. Okey, look at his look, don't remember to Edgar Froese, >but disguise? I don't know that believe. What do you think? > Edgar, are you? This vid was still in the player and I just had to have a look to see if there was any truth in this. The gent with the tash _could_ be Edgar. He has Edgar's build but his cheek bones are maybe a bit to thin (make up?) to be a dead-ringer. Still, Edgar and Chris did visit the set of 'The Keep' so there's a strong possibility that it's the man himself. Notice that you don't see the woman's face much. Could this be Chris? Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : Graphic Design Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7263 Re: Edgar in drag... Vic Rek Fri 9/26/1997 3 KB 7275 Re: Edgar in drag... =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n Sun 9/28/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 26, 1997 3:34 pm Subject: Chris Franke for Sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek I have a few Christopher Franke items for sale/trade (all CDs): 1. Pacific Coast Highway - US Private Music 01005-82094-2, original 1991 issue 2. Klemania - Austria SICD 8110, 2nd issue with re-mix, 1993 3. Enchanting Nature - US Earthtone ET7401-2, original digipak issue, 1994 4. Enchanting Nature - US Earthtone ET7401-2, jewel case issue Paper items: 1. Promo 8.5 x 11 sheet for Klemania 2. Promo 8.5 x 11 sheet for Babylon 5, Vol. 2 3. Large Sonic Images poster with Chris and his synthesizers ALSO 1 FRANKE ITEM WANTED: 1. Klemania - SICD 8110 'Promotion disc' (red printing on black CD body), re-mix Please e-mail me privately for details/price. Thanks, Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7264 Re: Chris Franke for Sale Steven Feldman Fri 9/26/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 26, 1997 3:34 pm Subject: Re: Edgar in drag... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) >This vid was still in the player and I just had to have a look to see if >there was any truth in this. The gent with the tash _could_ be Edgar. He >has Edgar's build but his cheek bones are maybe a bit to thin (make up?) to >be a dead-ringer. Still, Edgar and Chris did visit the set of 'The Keep' so >there's a strong possibility that it's the man himself. > >Notice that you don't see the woman's face much. Could this be Chris? There is a movie called 'Checkpoint Charley' that has Edgar as one of the actors. I have never seen this video. Anybody care to comment? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Chris Franke for Sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Chris Franke for Sale >Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:34:50 -0400 (EDT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Vic Rek > >I have a few Christopher Franke items for sale/trade (all CDs): > >1. Pacific Coast Highway - US Private Music 01005-82094-2, > original 1991 issue This is interesting. I didn't know that PCH ever came out on Private Music. I got a French import of it from Ranjit before it was released in the USA. >2. Klemania - Austria SICD 8110, 2nd issue with re-mix, 1993 What do you want for this? How about $15.00? (Am I to believe, then, that the versions of 'Morphing Space' are different on the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd releases of KLEMANIA, and that the versions on the CD-single are different from all of *those* three?) >Paper items: >1. Promo 8.5 x 11 sheet for Klemania >3. Large Sonic Images poster with Chris and his synthesizers How much? >ALSO 1 FRANKE ITEM WANTED: >1. Klemania - SICD 8110 'Promotion disc' > (red printing on black CD body), re-mix Never heard of this one. Is this a promo of the CD-single or of the entire album? And *which* version of the album??? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Aug 8, 1997 6:07 pm Subject: Faces behind the names ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: 'Marcel Engels' > > btw: I really like the poll thing. It would be even nicer if we see the > faces > behind the names. Just an idea. > I agree Marcel! I've had the fortune of meeting one person from the list so far. (Hi, Lars!) And I know there's a handful of others living right here in Air-zona, but I haven't had the chance to meet them yet. Hopefully we can get together when TD comes through here next year. I know, maybe we could calculate the median location relative to where everyone lives and have everyone meet there... Nope, better not. It's probably in the ocean somewhere. :-) Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 25, 1997 10:55 pm Subject: Re: German track name ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vincent Codd Hi there Thanks to Jens, Martin and Stefan for information about 'Die Melodie aus dem gleichnamigen Tatort'. It's nice to know the context of the music you're listening to sometimes. Good job guys Vince From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Sep 25, 1997 10:59 pm Subject: Re: Faces behind the names ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... You know for real that TD is going to Arizona next year? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7268 Hopeful about a tour... Dave Brewer Fri 9/26/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 26, 1997 12:27 am Subject: Hopeful about a tour... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: AOutland@a... > > You know for real that TD is going to Arizona next year? > No, I just hope for real that they will! :-) Anyway, it's strange that this message got sent out again when I sent it quite some time ago... Whatever. Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Whoops; didn't mean to send that to the list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Chris Franke for Sale >Date: Fri, 26 Sep 97 12:07:28 EDT >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Steven Feldman > >>Subject: Chris Franke for Sale >>Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:34:50 -0400 (EDT) >>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >>Really-From: Vic Rek >> >>I have a few Christopher Franke items for sale/trade (all CDs): Sorry about that. The TD list is set up funny on my site's conferencing system. If I want to quote text to someone in a private e-mail message, I have to delete tadream and add the person's net address manually. Sometimes I forget. -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Sep 26, 1997 10:18 pm Subject: GROWNUP MUSIC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS in a previous letter hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) states think TDs music is for the most part 'grown-up' musicThe possible exception may be Rumpeltstiltskin, although I haven't listened to it yet. I know many of you would probably kill me for saying this, but I find Kraftwerk to be more of a challenge mentally than TD....... Prepare to die!!!! Just kidding, I will have to disagree tho, Listen to rumplestilskin , it is very similar to the CLASSICAl music you also enjoy. Also fellow tangers, I saw SOLO yesterday and heard ole CHRISTOPHER FRANKES latest try at FILM composition......please lord hear my prayer....slap ole CHRIS a roundabout. I enjoy experimentation and all but it seems to me he's going through the motions in his soundtrack work . Just cuz he prefers to distance himself from TANG doesn't mean he's got to be so darn repetitous! John williams he ain't!!!!! Opinions? I mean he has done enuff of these things lately. BY the way since I don't have it and no one seems to have discussed last weeks topic...how is PERRY by Franke? Is is electronic or is it more his hollywood celestine style? And is he doing the Celestine serires or not? Also I have a source for the 70-80 lp box set for 40.00 Should I , is this worth it??? Tank you...hi Lars! Hi goozer!!!! Christopher From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Sep 27, 1997 10:05 pm Subject: Reves Christal CD from TANGERINE DREAM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' Hello at all. In the web shop 'Compact Disc Europe' I have seen the «Reves Christal» CD from TANGERINE DREAM. Does someone know it? Please, report me information. Thanks. José Ramón From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 28, 1997 4:20 pm Subject: True North, A Tangerine Dream's Soundtrack??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Richard Bilek Hello dreamers, sooner I heard about album named True North - with an explanation that this is Tangerine Dream's Soundtrack. So I purchased this album, and here is my report: it it NOT true! This album is Miramax Compilation of 'their' authors, such as John Serrie, Paul Speer, James Reynolds and Tangerine Dream. TD has only one song here, Touchwood, absolutely same as on Rockoon. No, it is not bad album. Music is excellent, if you like 90's period of Tangerine Dream, then you must like this album too. But if you want listen only TD music, then you are in wrong place. And why soundtrack? Same music is available as full-length wideo album also produced by Miramax - I do not have it, but it probably contain videoclips only. So please, think twice before buying this album. Details: True North: Miramax, MPCD4002, 1992 1. True North by Paul Speer 4:23 2. Flightpath by John Serrie 4:13 3. Third Stone From The Sun by Paul Speer 4:12 4. Stolen Fire by John Serrie 4:42 5. Touchwood by Tangerine Dream 4:42 6. Whispers Of Light by James Reynolds 4:34 7. Adagio Dolente by Paul Speer 5:51 8. Tingri by John Serrie 4:21 9. One More River Passing by James Reynolds 4:21 0. True North Reprise by Paul Speer 2:31 Greetings, Richard Bilek -- from Praha/Prague, Mother Of All Cities Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7278 Re: True North, A Tangerine Dream's Soundtrack??? FredYargui@a... Sun 9/28/1997 2 KB 7287 Re: True North, A Tangerine Dream's Soundtrack??? AOutland@a... Mon 9/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 28, 1997 10:02 am Subject: Eh Gad! Washappinin'? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi all, Somewhat hungover... Yesterday's digest turned up and, Gawd, there was only _one_ entry in it. I've watched, with considerable dismay, the activity on this digest fall dramatically over the past few months. Washappinin', folks? Sheesh : there was more activity on the space-music digest... :( Let's get this thang kicked back into life... Ash, fancy saying something completely controversial again? Spice Girls, anyone? Paul, any witty insights into Ash's musings? Classical Music, perhaps... Where is Mark Filipak when you need him? Jeff Goldberg, we loves ya? Andrew, Grant, Eric, please save the day. All those renegades that have gone off to GoldTri, please come back. All is forgiven. Let's put the TD sign in the sky, raise the flag, sound the horn... The TD digest : this was our, last, best hope... Cheers David (Still hung over...) T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : Graphic Design Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7276 Re: Eh Gad! Washappinin'? feldon@p... Sun 9/28/1997 4 KB 7277 Re: Eh Gad! Washappinin'? Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 9/28/1997 5 KB 7279 Re: Eh Gad! Washappinin'? PNaunton@a... Sun 9/28/1997 4 KB 7284 Re: What TD does for me (was Egad! Washappenin'?) feldon@p... Sun 9/28/1997 5 KB 7281 Re: Eh Gad! Washappinin'? TWeibre361@a... Mon 9/29/1997 2 KB 7291 Re: Eh Gad! Washappinin'? AOutland@a... Mon 9/29/1997 2 KB 7299 Re: Eh Gad! Washappinin'? Larry E Smith Mon 9/29/1997 3 KB 7309 Re: Eh Gad! Washappinin'? PNaunton@a... Mon 9/29/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 28, 1997 11:21 am Subject: Keller/Schoenwaelder internet concert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Hi, Folks ! Mario Schoenwaelder told me, that a free Keller/Schoenwaelder concert will take place in Dillenburg/Germany on november, the 7th at 10:00 pm GMT-1. The concert will be one highlight of a multimedia fair called 'MEDIA' in Dillenburg (ca. 100 km south of Frankfurt/Main) and will be broadcasted via Internet too !! Just move your browser to the new webserver of Manikin records (www.manikin.de) which will be up in a few weeks. NOT YET, lads&gents, I´ve just checked it :-( Will keep you informed if any more informations´s avaiable. Like all Keller/Schoenwaelder live sets this will be improvised stuff, so watch out and go for it ! Since Detlef Keller lives in Duisburg next to the Dutch border while Mario Schoenwaelder resides in Berlin they can´t exercise for any live performance. I´m not sure if the set will ever be released on CD, but if enough people will like it WE can make this happen, perhaps. All4now Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 28, 1997 1:09 pm Subject: RE: Edgar in drag... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > > >Hi all, > >Still lurking... > >A little while ago JosÈ RamÛn wrote : > > > There is some people that believe that Edgar Froese appear as an actor in > >the film The Keep. Look: This is in the beginnig of the film... The nazi > >soldiers arrive at the village... The villager look at the soldiers with > >fear... Then, a scene with two person sit down, in the right a old woman, in > >the left a strange man. Okey, look at his look, don't remember to Edgar Froese, > >but disguise? I don't know that believe. What do you think? > > Edgar, are you? > >This vid was still in the player and I just had to have a look to see if >there was any truth in this. The gent with the tash _could_ be Edgar. He >has Edgar's build but his cheek bones are maybe a bit to thin (make up?) to >be a dead-ringer. Still, Edgar and Chris did visit the set of 'The Keep' so >there's a strong possibility that it's the man himself. > >Notice that you don't see the woman's face much. Could this be Chris? > >Cheers > David This is interesting. I have seen again the scene. I don't know, I don't know,... I believe that the woman isn't Chris Franke. Does someone more say something? José Ramón From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 28, 1997 3:31 pm Subject: Re: Eh Gad! Washappinin'? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 11:02 AM 9/28/97 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) > >Hi all, > >Somewhat hungover... > >Yesterday's digest turned up and, Gawd, there was only _one_ entry in it. >I've watched, with considerable dismay, the activity on this digest fall >dramatically over the past few months. Washappinin', folks? > >Sheesh : there was more activity on the space-music digest... :( Not having any of the TD books, I wouldn't know, but I would like to see some *reviews* --including opinions of *every fantape/bootleg* in existance. If this already exists, let me know, if not, I wish there were more detailed summaries, including trackographies, etc. (Not as complicated as some of the ones I've seen online, but just a list of all known songs and perhaps a minute-meter of how many minutes of unreleased stuff appears on each tape) feldon@p... P.S. If any of you have fantapes/CDs and have the ability to record the music into your computer and turn it into MPEG-3 files, (in other words almost everyone on this list), why not grab a 4-6 minute segment and capture it. You can save lots of space by keeping the sound Mono. A 4-5 minute mono CD quality segment is about 2 megabytes. I'm getting 10 MB of webspace this coming week and I'll host this stuff. You've probably got webspace you don't even know you have... :) I'm already considering recording the *entire* 14 minute encore from the Jan 31st 1980 Berlin show. It seems to be very rare. (Special thanks to John Burek for getting me a copy of this excellent track). WARNING: this file will be 7-8 MB. I might split a ZIP into 3 pieces (easy-to-open on Mac or PC, relax guys!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 28, 1997 4:42 pm Subject: Re: Eh Gad! Washappinin'? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 11:02 AM 9/28/97 +0100, David wrote: >Where is Mark Filipak when you need him? Jeff Goldberg, we loves ya? >Andrew, Grant, Eric, please save the day. All those renegades that have >gone off to GoldTri, please come back. All is forgiven. > >Let's put the TD sign in the sky, raise the flag, sound the horn... > >The TD digest : this was our, last, best hope... OK, here it goes... flame away... I am developing a case of the lizard skin... How much more can we still talk EVERY day about TD? How more dissecting, analyzing, reporting on obscure, utterly insignificant details can we still be interested in? Is it still worth discussing TD, when the enjoyment of music becomes, instead, a compelling need to talk about yet another label color? These are not rhetorical questions. I would be glad to be proven wrong. But importantly... you, David, should NOT have the time to write us. You should be inserting nice little covers in the jewel boxes of 'Generator,' smoothing over the many, many wonderful sounds you created during the summer concert-season, and working on your 5-disc box set. BTW, if the uptight-folks, OK purists, would open up the acceptable topic range to ALL e-music, there would be no need for GoldTri. This would not really be off-topic, if one were to extend the TD-topic to include all music for which TD can be considered the roots or progenitor. As is, about the only reason I even get this list is to see if new faces appear (in need of help), reports on new TD releases and new boot finds. The word that repeats in the previous sentence is NEW. There are some interesting developments here sometimes (although Francisco's project got stuck in some branches way above me -- since I never heard about that much awaited CDR I have been waiting for, what, a year). However, the only happy moment in the recent memory has been Jeffrey Au-Yeung's informative little treatise on the cover of Quinoa. Met with stone-silence. Oh, yes... and Scott Plumer little book. Hey, Scott, you got some left? I need three more. My greatest enjoyment has been meeting other folks (you included) who share THIS common interest. Many of us have paired-off in private discussions, which in my case has always carried us into areas significantly expanded than just simply TD. You want to talk about excruciating details relating to the pimples on Jerome's face? Cool. But I am not interested. These are just personal opinions, of course. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 28, 1997 5:40 pm Subject: Re : True North, A Tangerine Dream's Soundtrack??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Dans un courrier date du 28/09/97 09:27:05 , vous avez ecrit : << 3. Third Stone From The Sun by Paul Speer 4:12 >> is written by Jimi Hendrix and performed by Paul Speer. OK? fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 28, 1997 6:12 pm Subject: Re: Eh Gad! Washappinin'? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-09-28 06:05:28 EDT, << Hi all, Somewhat hungover... Yesterday's digest turned up and, Gawd, there was only _one_ entry in it. I've watched, with considerable dismay, the activity on this digest fall dramatically over the past few months. Washappinin', folks? Cheers David (Still hung over...) >> I have watched the same thing going on for several months. I would attribute it to several things, because I have not been participating much myself. Those reasons are - - 1. The programmed discussions are not really that interesting. Franke is good but he is not TD. Perhaps when the Froese Solo discussions begin the list will regenerate. 2. The server has changed and the monitoring is different if not totally absent. I kind of miss that aspect, for some reason which I am totally unable to justify. 3. Much of the discussions of late have been in regard to boots and fan tapes which I really have very little interest. 4. Much of the thoughtful discussions have disappeared maybe due to the above three. I don't know. Several weeks ago I posted a bit of flamebait and got zilch response!! 5. Often I find myself deleting, without reading, posts with lists and lists of song titles and timings and dates because I am primarily interested in the music. This is the first post I've read all the way through from the list in weeks. 6. I have had moments when I have thought of unsubscribing (sacrilege) because of the chaff in the TD air space, but I have fought the inclination because of fond memories of the last three years or so. 7. Maybe it is because the group itself has become more-or-less lackluster of late. Sad to say!! Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7284 Re: What TD does for me (was Egad! Washappenin'?) feldon@p... Sun 9/28/1997 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 28, 1997 8:00 pm Subject: Reves Christal???? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid Anyone else aside from myself think of the following 2 possibilities: 1) an upcoming new TD album 2) a REALLY BAD misspelling of 'Rheims Cathedral'? Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7304 Re: Reves Christal???? Peter Sauermann Mon 9/29/1997 3 KB 7305 Re: Reves Christal???? =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n Mon 9/29/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 28, 1997 8:17 pm Subject: Re: Eh Gad! Washappinin'? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-09-28 14:19:13 EDT, you write: << 7. Maybe it is because the group itself has become more-or-less lackluster of late. Sad to say!! >> tom w np: stereolab - dots and loops From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 28, 1997 8:26 pm Subject: ElectronicMusic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes) Hi All, Anyone into electronic music (not just TD!) might find a visit to the following site quite worthwhile : http://www.electronicmusic.com This is a general purpose EM page with quite a wide variety of information covering lots of aspects of electronic music. They were also kind enough to give us a nice review of our first CD, The Infection of Time. Check 'em out... Cheers David T-Bass UK : Electronic Music T-Bass Design : Graphic Design Web Site : http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dhughes/tbass.html email : dhughes@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7288 Re: ElectronicMusic.com Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 9/29/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 28, 1997 8:54 pm Subject: D:Solo Week 16 - Sep. 29, 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek This week we would like to hear comments on: Edgar Froese - Aqua ------------------- Please make subject 'D:Aqua' when commenting. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 28, 1997 8:51 pm Subject: Re: What TD does for me (was Egad! Washappenin'?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 02:12 PM 9/28/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > I have watched the same thing going on for several months. I would >attribute it to several things, because I have not been participating much >myself. Those reasons are - - > 1. The programmed discussions are not really that interesting. Franke >is good but he is not TD. Perhaps when the Froese Solo discussions begin the >list will regenerate. > 2. The server has changed and the monitoring is different if not >totally absent. I kind of miss that aspect, for some reason which I am >totally unable to justify. > 3. Much of the discussions of late have been in regard to boots and fan >tapes which I really have very little interest. I have to admit that I'm still interested in boots and fantapes. First because it is my belief that Edgar and Jerome aren't unhappy with us having them and understand that we already own almost every other official TD release. Second, because they're publishing almost every minute of music they play nowadays onto CD. Even alternate versions of the same track. Yet, they didn't release lots of stuff between 1974-1984 (whether this is Virgin or Relativity's fault is neither here nor there). I am only focused on music from then. I just don't see the concept of having fantapes of anything after 1992. Maybe TD should just give us the MIDI files on floppy... Anyway, what I would like to see, that I haven't seen and maybe has been attacked in the past, are *opinions* about TD releases, boots, fantapes, and perhaps reflections by people when listening to TD. I don't consider myself a musician, but listening to TD has led me to at least fewl around with my keyboard (and realize I need a real one!)... > 5. Often I find myself deleting, without reading, posts with lists and >lists of song titles and timings and dates because I am primarily interested >in the music. I have made various comments about this and have been grateful for Mark's work in trying to do complete trackographies of each and every boot or alternate version out there. Frankly, the format is a big turnoff for me, sorry to say. >This is the first post I've read all the way through from the >list in weeks. I've reached the stage of deleting messages based on topic. A stage I never thought I'd reach. Morgan feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 28, 1997 10:35 pm Subject: D:Aqua ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Good timing, Vic, let´s talk about music ;-) Aqua by Edgar Froese (1974) 01 Aqua [16:58] 02 Panorphelia [9:38] 03 ngc 891 [14:50] 04 Upland [6:31] was recorded from nov. 93 to march 74 while Phaedra was recorded in december 1973. 01 Aqua [16:58] Bubbles, Mellotron and VCS 3 Synthi. 02 Panorphelia [9:38] Sounds like a vacuum cleaner and a bubbling engine overlayered with some mellotron chords and single tones. It´s worthful since Edgar develops sounds which TD used on Rubycon some month later. Interesting Mellotron sound experiments (not?) only for hardcore fans,IMHO. 03 ngc 891 [14:50] (with Chris Franke) Recorded with an artificial head system. Really interesting stereo effects can be heard if headphones are used. A brilliant sequencer line (similiar to 'Phaedra') turns in at the 4 minutes mark combined with a quick synth solo. Maybe the best track on this CD. This track is the reason why I hold this CD. 04 Upland [6:31] Again bubbles with Mellotron/Organ. Edgars adds some classic-influenced Organ solo work. The sound is slightly better sound than on track 1 and 2. To sum it up: ngc 891 is a nice peace, worthful enough to hold the CD, the other tracks are only interesting from a historical view. How Rubycon would sound whithout the 'Aqua' release ? BTW, while writing these lines I hear it the first time since two years or so. Never liked it very much. Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7331 D:Aqua FredYargui@a... Tue 9/30/1997 3 KB 7341 D:Aqua Vic Rek Wed 10/1/1997 3 KB 7345 Backwords Stuff on Aqua Dave Brewer Wed 10/1/1997 3 KB 7352 Re: D:Aqua Bill Lantz Wed 10/1/1997 3 KB 7360 D:Aqua Erik Sanborn Wed 10/1/1997 4 KB 7396 Re: D:Aqua Michael Fox Thu 10/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: D: AQUA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman The first track on Edgar's first solo album, AQUA, is the title track, and it's great--possibly one of *the* most psychedelic of all of the TD-related stuff out there. It takes awhile to get used to, but once you do, it's more exciting than RICOCHET. (Flamebait, anyone?) I never understood why people like 'Wahn' (from either ALPHA CENTAURI or ATEM; I forget), but 'Aqua'? I wish more of GREEN DESERT was like AQUA or EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE, or even RUBYCON, than PHAEDRA. Except for 'Movements of a Visionary,' I find PHAEDRA very uneven. And, actually, the same goes for AQUA. It's really the title track that does it for *this* little Dreamer. -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 28, 1997 10:46 pm Subject: Re: True North, A Tangerine Dream's Soundtrack??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... The video 'True North' has excellent photography, the music is ok. Turn off the music on the video, pop in your favorite TD album, and enjoy the scenery! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Sep 28, 1997 11:01 pm Subject: Re: ElectronicMusic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 09:26 PM 9/28/97 +0100, David wrote: >Anyone into electronic music (not just TD!) might find a visit to the >following site quite worthwhile : > > http://www.electronicmusic.com > >This is a general purpose EM page with quite a wide variety of information >covering lots of aspects of electronic music. They were also kind enough to >give us a nice review of our first CD, The Infection of Time. Check 'em >out... Terrific and very instructive. I am looking forward to spending some quality time with them. :-) Thanks. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 1:57 am Subject: Re: AQUA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > The first track on Edgar's first solo album, AQUA, is the title > track, and it's great--possibly one of *the* most psychedelic of all of > the TD-related stuff out there. It takes awhile to get used to, but > once you do, it's more exciting than RICOCHET. (Flamebait, anyone?) Flamebait ? You want to have a real battle ? NO, not with me, Steven, you know Germans have had enough battles for the next century ;-) If you enjoy aqua more than ricochet, I don´t care ´bout it. Yes, I agree it´s phsychedelic. But I think it´s just a trial for Edgar, IMHO ! I don´t like 'Wahn' from 'Atem' too. Aqua is much better than Atem, bacause it contains ngc 891, IMO. But if you compare 'Ricochet' with 'Aqua' it seems you might prefer the title 'Aqua' to 'Encore' too. Oh well, Stephen, I can´t help you ! Tell you what: I really love Ricochet: Part 2 contains the most beautiful sequencing I ever heard though I know many EM artists. But this is just my personal point of view. Without Ricochet, which is still (since 18 years) in my top 3 TD CDs I wouldn´t fall in love with these guys. This is nor a battle neither a flamebait, Steven. Just our opinions, or ? Cheers, Steven ! Jens > I never understood why people like 'Wahn' (from either ALPHA CENTAURI or > ATEM; I forget), but 'Aqua'? I wish more of GREEN DESERT was like AQUA > or EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE, or even RUBYCON, than PHAEDRA. Except for > 'Movements of a Visionary,' I find PHAEDRA very uneven. And, actually, > the same goes for AQUA. It's really the title track that does it for > *this* little Dreamer. > > -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7293 Re: AQUA AOutland@a... Mon 9/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: My TD's GREATEST HITS Letter to Hypnotic ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Hi All, I feel a little crappy sending this to the list, since Mark Filipak is not here to comment on it -- ;) -- but I tried to call him on the telephone (remember those?) last night and this afternoon. (Hey, I even left a message on his answering machine, so he might get back to me!) Here's what I sent to Hypnotic (and a variant thereof to Rising Star): -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3 Brookline, MA 02146-6913 September 25, 1997 Hypnotic Records 87226 S. Sepulveda Blvd., Suite D-82 Los Angeles, CA 90045 Folks, a Proposition: There are quite a few Tangerine Dream compilation albums with the word 'dream' in their titles (Book of Dreams, Dream Mixes, Dream Music I & II, Dream Roots, Dream Sequence) and one entitled The Best of Tangerine Dream, and yet there remains to be released a package called 'Tangerine Dream's Greatest Hits.' This is due largely to the fact that none of the band's many labels have seen fit to include songs from rival labels on their compilations. What label wants to credit their rivals with being responsible for more than half of a band's hits when they're the ones issuing the package? I'm writing to you because your two compilation albums, TANGERINE AMBIENCE--A TRIBUTE TO TANGERINE DREAM and TANGERINE AMBIENCE II, have featured Tangerine Dream tracks exclusively from labels other than your own. The proliferation of Tangerine Dream compilation packages that feature material only from the label pressing them ultimately does everyone a disservice. They sell the band short by giving the false impression that the selected material is representative of their (quality) work as a whole. Long overdue is a 3-CD set of TD's shorter, punchier tunes (from soundtracks, 45s, and CD-singles, as well as the regular albums issued by Virgin, MCA, Varese Sarabande, Jive, Relativity, Private Music, Silva Screen, Miramar, Sequel, etc., ad nauseum). Such a set would sell better than all previous collections by virtue of its having the greatest variety, the greatest amount of tracks (short tracks add up fast), and all the key recordings that would compel even the most skittish buyer to buy the collection. The popular tracks from the soundtracks alone would do the trickÈand you could include both studio versions of 'Love on a Real Train (Risky Business)' (the first pressing of the LP has a much different version than later pressings or the CD) as well as the live version from the Three Phase video (which, thus far, has only been on video and laserdisk, not CD). And since you'd be using material under license from other companies, you could even include the band's two rarest singles, 'Ultima Thule, Pt. 1' b/w 'Ultima Thule, Pt. 2' and 'Lady Greengrass' b/w 'Love of Mine'--the latter of which was recorded by TD founder Edgar Froese with his first band, The Ones. I am appending to this message a suggested track listing for the sort of compilation album I am talking about. Granted, the selection is subjective, but I'm reasonably sure that many of the choices are universal, given that the purpose of the collection would be to show TD in the best possible light to the greatest with pop appeal (stopping short of tacky tunes like 'Optical Race' and Melrose's 'Cool at Heart,' though, one would hope). You will notice that the band's actual hits, i.e. those albums which charted highest in the UK and/or USA, are underrepresented. This is because I am not defining 'hit' by sales (because TD's music doesn't sell as singles but as albums), but by the memorability of a given tune, its relative brevity, and its use in local news spots and sporting events. There is an Internet mailing list for the band. If you think my choices are off-base, you can contact the people on that list at or look at the web site and see what the consensus is there. In keeping with representing the entirety of TD's career, it would be nice if you included in an accompanying booklet photos of the jacket artwork from every TD release to date (including the 45, 12', and CD-5 selections featured, as well as alternate jackets like the British versions of Exit, Near Dark, and Shy People). Listing the compilation's tracks beneath their corresponding jacket images would be even better-- and listing all the tracks beneath each corresponding jacket image with the compilation's tracks highlighted in boldface would be better still. Such a package would serve not only to impress the casual buyer (who would think he is getting a bargain with a spiffy booklet and such a large selection from so immense a body of work), but to hook the jaded TD collector (who would love to have the booklet for quick reference and the CDs to gain new TD converts), as well! Notice how Virgin has included pictures of the jacket art from their TD album library inside their Super-Bit-Mapping TD releases, and how ex-TD member Chris Franke (of Babylon 5 fame) did the same with his Pacific Coast Highway solo album. Why am I writing to you about this? I'm a fan who has a hard time convincing people why the band is so great--because there aren't any compilation albums that represent the band's music adequately in its diversity and expanse. TD has 56 albums, now, but if one judged their input from even the most wide-ranging of their compilations, the 5-CD set, Tangents, one would think they only had 18 albums! The 3-CD compilation I suggest would represent 34 albums, 1 video, 3 45 rpm singles, and 2 CD-singles: 40 sources! Yours truly, Steven Feldman (617) 232þ3876 Tangerine Dream's Greatest Hits? 1966 Lady Greengrass (A-side of 45 by Edgar Froese's first group, The Ones) 2:41 Star-Club 1966 Love of Mine (B-side of 45 by The Ones) 3:03 Star-Club Records, Hamburg 1971 Ultima Thule, Part 1 (A-side of 45) 3:27 Ohr Records, Berlin 1971 Ultima Thule, Part 2 (B-side of 45) 4:17 Ohr Records, Berlin 1974 Movements of a Visionary (PHAEDRA) 7:54 Virgin Records 1977 Betrayal (Sorcerer Theme) (SORCERER) 3:41 MCA Records 1979 Cloudburst Flight (FORCE MAJEURE) 7:21 Virgin Records 1980 Beach Theme (THIEF soundtrack) 3:44 Elektra/Asylum Records 1981 Kiew Mission (EXIT) 9:18 Elektra/Asylum Records 1982 White Eagle (WHITE EAGLE) 4:30 Virgin Records 1983 Daydream (German 45 [A-side]; TATORT [a TV show] soundtrack) 4:40 Virgin, Munich 1983 Moorland (German 45 [B-side]; TATORT [a TV show] soundtrack) 3:50 Virgin, Munich 1983 Cinnamon Road (HYPERBOREA) 3:54 Virgin Records 1983 Rare Bird (UK 12'; short track at the end of 'Tangent' on POLAND) 3:55 Sequel Records 1983 Mojave End Title (WAVELENGTH soundtrack) 4:11 Varese Sarabande Records 1983 Love on a Real Train (RISKY BUSINESS sndtrck; rare version: 1st LP pressing) 2:15 Virgin 1983 Love on a Real Train (RISKY BUSINESS sndtrck; 2nd LP pressing/CD version) 3:58 Virgin 1984 Charley the Kid (FIRESTARTER soundtrack) 3:51 Varese Sarabande Records 1984 Love Theme (THE PARK IS MINE soundtrack) 3:32 Silva America 1984 Going West (FLASHPOINT soundtrack) 4:10 Silva America 1985 Gaudi Park (LE PARC) 5:10 Sequel Records 1985 Desire (HEARTBREAKERS) 5:38 Silva America 1986 Dolphin Dance (UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT) 5:05 Sequel Records 1987 Canyon Carver (CANYON DREAMS soundtrack) 4:17 Miramar Records 1987 Bus Station (NEAR DARK soundtrack) 4:15 Varese Sarabande Records 1988 Mothers of Rain (OPTICAL RACE) 5:13 Private Music Records 1989 People in the News (MIRACLE MILE soundtrack) 5:10 Private Music Records 1989 Crystal Curfew (LILY ON THE BEACH) 4:57 Private Music Records 1990 Dolls in the Shadow (MELROSE) 5:10 Private Music Records 1990 Theme from 'Dead Solid Perfect' (DEAD SOLID PERFECT soundtrack) 3:19 Silva America 1991 Correlation of Lies (THE MAN INSIDE soundtrack) 3:45 EMI France 1992 Vigour (bonus track on 1992 re-issue of the 1987 album, TYGER) 4:56 Relativity Records 1992 Touchwood (ROCKOON) 4:34 Miramar Records 1992 RockoonÈSpecial Radio Edit (CD-5 [from ROCKOON]) 4:16 Miramar Records 1993 Hamlet (220 VOLT LIVE) 8:30 Miramar Records 1993 Love on a Real Train (Risky Business) (from the THREE PHASE [live] video) 3:17 Miramar 1994 Twilight Brigade (TURN OF THE TIDES) 9:45 Miramar Records 1994 Story of the Brave (CD-5 [from TURN OF THE TIDES]) 5:17 Miramar Records 1994 The Conspiracy (ZONING soundtrack) 5:54 Repertoire Records, Hamburg 1995 Catwalk (TYRANNY OF BEAUTY) 7:21 Miramar Records 1995 Rough Embrace (THE DREAM MIXES) 5:30 Miramar Records 1996 Towards the Evening Star (GOBLINS' CLUB) 6:16 Sequel Records 1997 Flashflood (OASIS soundtrack) 6:58 Miramar Records TOTAL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 206 minutes and 50 seconds Divide 206:50 by 3 (for three CDs), and you get 68:56 -- roughly three 69-minute CDs. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7294 Re: My TD's GREATEST HITS Letter to Hypnotic Jens Peschke Mon 9/29/1997 3 KB 7297 Re: My TD's GREATEST HITS Letter to Hypnotic Sean Montgomery Mon 9/29/1997 3 KB 7300 Re: My TD's GREATEST HITS Letter to Hypnotic feldon@p... Mon 9/29/1997 3 KB 7306 Re: My TD's GREATEST HITS Letter to Hypnotic Gabe Yedid Mon 9/29/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 2:19 am Subject: Re: Eh Gad! Washappinin'? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... I'm new; I could use some help. But my main focus is and probably always will be TD. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 2:39 am Subject: Re: Eh Gad! + D:Solo info ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Well, I have to agree with Phil on the comment: << 1. The programmed discussions are not really that interesting. Franke is good but he is not TD. Perhaps when the Froese Solo discussions begin the list will regenerate. >> Since I'm kind of posting these 'programmed' discussions, I didn't want to comment during the 12 long weeks of Franke, but I was getting burned out myself. And the only reason why I was getting burned out was because of such LOW participation. >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > >Good timing, Vic, let´s talk about music ;-) Maybe everybody was waiting for the D:Froese discussion? I hope so. Here is a short summary of the D:Solo responses so far: Peter Baumann - Romance '76 5 Trans Harmonic Nights 4 Repeat Repeat 3 Strangers in the Night 2 Phase by Phase 2 Christopher Franke - Pacific Coast Highway 11 McBain 1 The London Concert 5 Universal Soldier 2 New Music for Films: Vol. 1 2 Klemania 1 Tommyknockers 1 Morphing Space 'The Singles' 1 Raven 4 Enchanting Nature 3 Babylon 5 Vol. 1 2 Night of the Running Man 1 The Celestine Prophecy 4 Tenchi-Muyo! in Love 2 Perry Rhodan - Pax Terra 1 Bridge to Eternity (single) 1 Babylon 5 Vol. 2 0 Pacific Blue 0 Babylon 5 Episodes Series 3 Not the same response as for the TD discussion of course ;-) And for those who hate TD and related details and have gotten this far - I say tough! I like it all, let's just have more of it. I want to hear about every release detail possible. I also like to hear comments on the music, and every discussion inbetween. I don't mind reading about different electronic artists from time to time on this list, but I would be against making this a general electronic music discussion list. OK, let's have some fun! It's YOU the list member that makes this list, so don't just wait for someone else to contribute. Tell us why you are here? Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7313 Re: Eh Gad! + D:Solo info AOutland@a... Tue 9/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 3:02 am Subject: Re: AQUA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... I agree with you Jens. Since 1980 when I first heard Ricochet I have been a total fan of this group. Only albums better are Live Miles and Tangram in my opinion. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 3:03 am Subject: Re: My TD's GREATEST HITS Letter to Hypnotic ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > Hi All, > I feel a little crappy sending this to the list, since Mark Filipak > is not here to comment on it -- ;) -- but I tried to call him on the > telephone (remember those?) last night and this afternoon. (Hey, I even > left a message on his answering machine, so he might get back to me!) Steven, great joyb ! Let him know that we all really miss him. I would be very happy if he returns to our internet live ;-) Your TD´s greatest hits idea is really cool , BTW. Steven, I count on you ! Regards to all! Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 3:16 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #53 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: JTURANIN@a... I am looking forward to some new compositions. I have just about worked thru my old CD's and tapes as well as more recent TD's and have a craving for a new way to while away these rush hour traffic jams. Any word???? Plus, any advice on rediscovering old TD would be appreciated. Also, any word on tours, esp. with SF,CA as a destination? JTURANIN@A... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7296 Re: tadream-digest V16 #53 JTURANIN@a... Mon 9/29/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 3:15 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #53 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: JTURANIN@a... I am looking forward to some new compositions. I have just about worked thru my old CD's and tapes as well as more recent TD's and have a craving for a new way to while away these rush hour traffic jams. Any word???? Plus, any advice on rediscovering old TD would be appreciated. Also, any word on tours, esp. with SF,CA as a destination? JTURANIN@A... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 3:37 am Subject: Re: My TD's GREATEST HITS Letter to Hypnotic ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery I quite like your selection of 'hits', but a few obvious picks are omitted, most notably 'Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe', the only real 'hit' they band has had anywhere. I would also suggest Chris Franke's 'Chimes and Chains', Logos 'Blue Part', the Theme from Streethawk, 'Tiergarten', 'Cottage' (or something from Legend), 'Horns of Doom', 'A Time For Heroes (it's cheesy, but so is 'Love of Mine'), 'Fort Worth Runway One', and 'Quasar' Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'A paranoiac is someone in possession of the facts' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7300 Re: My TD's GREATEST HITS Letter to Hypnotic feldon@p... Mon 9/29/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 3:42 am Subject: Re: What TD does for me (was Egad! Washappenin'?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-09-28 17:01:25 EDT, you write: << I've reached the stage of deleting messages based on topic. A stage I never thought I'd reach. Morgan feldon@p... >> I'll mirror your statement word for word. I do a topic deletion before I read any mail as well. I have not engaged in this process in regard to TD ever before either. Sign of the times? This, too, shall pass away, perchance. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 3:20 am Subject: Re: Eh Gad! Washappinin'? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) >>gone off to GoldTri, please come back. All is forgiven. >> Is it any easier to get on GoldTri? Are there many daily posts? I'd like to try to subscribe again. >How much more can we still talk EVERY day about TD? How more >dissecting, analyzing, reporting on obscure, utterly >insignificant details can we still be interested in? Is it still >worth discussing TD, when the enjoyment of music becomes, >instead, a compelling need to talk about yet another label color? I have to agree with this. TD is my all time favorite group. I've been a fan for 22 years but still...what can you continue to say thaat hasn't been said many, many times before? >BTW, if the uptight-folks, OK purists, would open up the >acceptable topic range to ALL e-music, there would be no need for >GoldTri. This would not really be off-topic, if one were to >extend the TD-topic to include all music for which TD can be >considered the roots or progenitor. As is, about the only reason >I even get this list is to see if new faces appear (in need of >help), reports on new TD releases and new boot finds. The word >that repeats in the previous sentence is NEW. I would support this idea. I agree this would not be completely off topic. Larry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 4:37 am Subject: Re: My TD's GREATEST HITS Letter to Hypnotic ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 11:37 PM 9/28/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >I quite like your selection of 'hits', but a few obvious picks are >omitted, most notably 'Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe', the only real 'hit' >they band has had anywhere. I would also suggest Chris Franke's 'Chimes >and Chains', Logos 'Blue Part', the Theme from Streethawk, 'Tiergarten', >'Cottage' (or something from Legend), 'Horns of Doom', 'A Time For Heroes >(it's cheesy, but so is 'Love of Mine'), 'Fort Worth Runway One', and >'Quasar' I don't know about all those tracks, but i think Choronzon, Logos Blue 88-98, and Tiergarten would fit quite nicely. I'm not sure about a vocal track, even if it is rare. Frankly, bits from live recordings would be more historically interesting than stuff by The Ones. Other than that, i am really excited by your letter to Hipnotic, Steven. Morgan feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 9:25 am Subject: Re: TD's Greatest Hits ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton I'd also... include :- Streethawk. Warsaw in the Sun (12' single version). No Man's Land. Monolight first half (original from Encore). Logos Blue (I think that's the colour anyhow :-) Change :- Beach Theme to the longer Beach Scene. Rare Bird to Choronzon (well, it IS a variation on a theme, no ?) Ditch :- Catwalk. The older 'rarities'. Just my opinion. BTW, great letter, Steven. I'm keeping all my limbs crossed for you. > I feel a little crappy sending this to the list, since Mark Filipak > is not here to comment on it -- ;) -- but I tried to call him on the > telephone (remember those?) last night and this afternoon. (Hey, I even > left a message on his answering machine, so he might get back to me!) If you hear anything, please let us know. Grunt Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7321 Re: TD's Greatest Hits Grant Middleton Tue 9/30/1997 6 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 9:42 am Subject: Reves Christal and others ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Hilmar Kraft Jose, I checked the CD Europe page for Tangerine Dream and found the 3 mysterious items 'Reves Christal', 'De l'autre cote de la for...' and 'Memoire' on Spalanx Records. There is a very simple and obvious explanation: You typed in TANGERINE as search word. The system then lists all bands with the name Tangerine in it, and if you look closely, the 3 items in question are all by a band called 'Tangerine', probably a french band judging by the name of their albums. So alas...no new bootleg or regular album. I had my hopes up too... especially since Reves Christal in french is something like 'Crystal Dreams'...a very good and likely name for a TD boot. PS: The search also comes up with a band 'Tangerine Zoo' with an album 'Outside Looking In'. Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7310 Re: Reves Christal and others =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n Mon 9/29/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 11:20 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #55 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ashok prema >> >>Notice that you don't see the woman's face much. Could this be Chris? >> >>Cheers >> David > > This is interesting. I have seen again the scene. I don't know, I don't >know,... I believe that the woman isn't Chris Franke. Does someone more say >something? > > José Ramón > > >------------------------------ Re: The Keep > After careful examination I think I agree with Jose'. The woman is almost certainly NOT Chris. Dave's been at the bottle again - however, I thought the inn-keepers son was Chris. What do you think?? Incidentally, did you know that the 'The Keep' film was filmed entirely in Wales (UK)......the village was demolished afterwards......... instead of turning it into holiday homes! Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 8:29 pm Subject: Re: Reves Christal???? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Peter Sauermann' > Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:00:26 -0400 (EDT) > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > To: tadream@c... > Subject: Reves Christal???? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > Anyone else aside from myself think of the following 2 possibilities: > > 1) an upcoming new TD album > 2) a REALLY BAD misspelling of 'Rheims Cathedral'? > > Gabe > > real email addresses: gabe@c... > gyedid@p... > Unsubscribe tadream Unsubscribe tadream-digest> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 11:38 am Subject: RE: Reves Christal???? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > Anyone else aside from myself think of the following 2 possibilities: > > 1) an upcoming new TD album > 2) a REALLY BAD misspelling of 'Rheims Cathedral'? Oh, but the 'Rheims Cathedral' don't exist, exist the 'Live! Imrovised!'. I believe that this option is very very very... gnarled? I wrote to Compact Disc Europe, but they don't explain me that was 'Reves Christal'. Bye bye. José Ramón From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 5:36 pm Subject: Re: My TD's GREATEST HITS Letter to Hypnotic ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid Go Steve! Go Steve! I too want to wish you the best of luck in convincing Hypnotic that this is a great idea. And I should keep that list, too; it would give me a basis (with some modifications) for my own set of greatest hits/hook new fans package (note: not for sale retail). Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 5:40 pm Subject: Jerome updates his web page ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid Just wanted to let you know that the long-overdue TD Guitar Gallery has finally surfaced at www.netstore.de/~jvfields. Seems Jerome is quite the HTML/Java coder, too... The selection so far is a little modern-era biased (lots of Jerome's axes, many of Edgar's post-86ers and even a few of Zlatko's) but this will apparently change; the only real 'classic' is the Thief guitar. Notable absences (so far) include Ed's '70s Les Pauls, his micrometer-tuned Steinberger (the Hamlet guitar) and the Force Majeure GR-500. Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 7:31 pm Subject: TD & Babies ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I completely agree with the idea that babies can start to develop >their brains even before they are born and that music stimulation is Sorry to respond to such an old thread, but I've been away. My wife gave birth to our second child on the 17th, and thus this thread has special significance to me. What I've read is that ANY sensory stimulation is a learning experience for babies, so any extra stimulation, aural or tactile, you can give them adds to their in utero learning experience. Whether they correlate this into any meaningful data is another story. It may be that it simply trains them to use their sensory organs and may speed up their ex utero sensory development. Those of us with kids will know that there are new baby toys that use black and white patterns as visual stimulation for babies, based on the fact that their vision is still largely undeveloped until about six months' age. Purportedly the contrast between the colors stimulates their vision more, and some experts recommend toys with stronger color contrasts, like primary colors instead of the more traditional pastels. This is only somewhat related: after son #2 was born, I did what I did with #1 - I played a tape of TD on the way home from the hospital, so the first music he ever heard was TD. The tape I played was Michal B. tape from the Warsaw broadcast. >I think TDs music is for the most part 'grown-up' music. With its I think I disagree. My first son responded to such music very early in his life (he's 5 now). I think there may be an instinctual reaction to simpler rhythms and melodies that is primary in children, but as we develop more sophistocated tastes, we acquire tastes for more sophisticated music (some of us, anyway :-). Or it may be socialized. We often underestimate the power of society. My 5-year-old, for example, likes TD and can recognize them by style. He also likes Phish, Pink Floyd, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers, as well as some current pop faves. Barney and his ilk are nowhere to be found. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7312 Re: TD & Babies TWeibre361@a... Tue 9/30/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 7:34 pm Subject: Re: Eh Gad! Washappinin'? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-09-29 00:42:36 EDT << I have to agree with this. TD is my all time favorite group. I've been a fan for 22 years but still...what can you continue to say thaat hasn't been said many, many times before? >> That is like asking, 'With only a twelve note scale, how much music can you make?' I disagree intrinsically with the statement. The only barrior to new and interesting conversation is the limitations of the people conversing. Even if TD had only one recording (given that it is a good one, of course) there should be enough fodder for a lifetime of opinions, evaluations, reviews, personnel, dreams, ideals, related matters, etc., etc., etc., Pass the torch. Let someone who is fresh for the race carry the light to Athens and light the eternal flame. (Sounds of trumpets, drums, and rousing cheers ring the air; all before Phil is mercifully shot in the right temple.) _BANG!_ Thud! 'One small step for a man - - one giant leap for mankind.' Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 1:56 pm Subject: RE: Reves Christal and others ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' >Really-From: Hilmar Kraft > > >Jose, > >I checked the CD Europe page for Tangerine Dream and found the >3 mysterious items 'Reves Christal', 'De l'autre cote de la for...' >and 'Memoire' on Spalanx Records. > >There is a very simple and obvious explanation: You typed in >TANGERINE as search word. The system then lists all bands with >the name Tangerine in it, and if you look closely, the 3 items >in question are all by a band called 'Tangerine', probably a french >band judging by the name of their albums. Thanks you, Hilmar, for these words. I didn't type TANGERINE as search word, I typed TANGERINE DREAM. Later, I saw the others items, by a band called 'Tangerine', true. Exist a band called 'Tangerine'? This is a important question. >So alas...no new bootleg or regular album. I had my hopes up too... >especially since Reves Christal in french is something like >'Crystal Dreams'...a very good and likely name for a TD boot. Of course, for that reason I wrote to the list. There are boots of Tangerine Dream with the name 'Tangeryne Dream' or 'Tangerin Dream' instead of Tangerine Dream (this is for the trade mark). Is this a boot of T. D. with the name 'Tangerine'? Who know it? Regards, José Ramón From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 9:02 pm Subject: The Shepher's Bush tree (Re: Eh Gad! Washappinin'?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > There are some interesting developments here sometimes (although > Francisco's project got stuck in some branches way above me -- > since I never heard about that much awaited CDR I have been > waiting for, what, a year). I'm glad to inform that the CDR branches are finally running. Although I cannot communicate with Mark I know he has the complete set copy and I heard it's been running at the moment. The European branch has the complete copy too. So I hope this to be fully distributed by the end of october. Sorry Folks for the huge delay, but I didn't have a CDR burner at the beginning of this adventure so I ask Jose Luis Tur to do it. I took too much time and finally ( after a 2 month delay) I didn't get any answer from him In the process a hard disk broke, and another 2 week wait added. After I bought a CDR burner. but I had big problems with track splitting without having clicks in the process. Hilmar told me how to correct this and I did it. But ( you aren't going to believe this ) my brand new Richoh MP6200S crashed and I spent about 13 blank CDR to have a single complete copy and one partial copy ( only set 1 and 3) the rest became damaged. But, folks, it was August and at that month half Spain is on holidays ( and my Ricoh supplier's technical service was closed, so I had to wait to september to repair the unit.) I sent the complete copy to Mark and the partial copy to Hilmar. Mark was supposed to make a copy of set 2 for Hilmar, but finally I don't know what happened because I cannot contact Mark but that copy never reached Germany, so the last week I did the copy with a new CDR unit just received from the tech service and send it via express delivery to Hilmar. And that's all... Uhh ! what a story, isn't it ? ---Francisco Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7314 Re: The Shepher's Bush tree (Re: Eh Gad! Washappi Vic Rek Tue 9/30/1997 3 KB 7318 Re: The Shepher's Bush tree (Re: Eh Gad! Washappi Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 9/30/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 9:43 pm Subject: Re: TD & Babies ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 97-09-29 15:36:07 EDT, you write: << He also likes Phish, Pink Floyd, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers, as well as some current pop faves. Barney and his ilk are nowhere to be found. >> i hope that by 'his ilk' you dont mean sesame street, which always has great musical performances...ive seen ladysmith black mambazo, ziggy marley, harry belafonte, tori amos, and so many others...but not td...yet.... tom w np: children of the bong - sirius sounds From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 10:41 pm Subject: Re: Eh Gad! + D:Solo info ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... To answer your question: I'm here because I love TD music and I want to learn all I can about them and how they make their music even the minute details. Thank you. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 10:48 pm Subject: Re: The Shepher's Bush tree (Re: Eh Gad! Washappinin'?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > I'm glad to inform that the CDR branches are finally running. Although I >cannot communicate with Mark I know he has the complete set copy and I heard >it's been running at the moment. The European branch has the complete copy >too. So I hope this to be fully distributed by the end of october. >[...]Sorry Folks for the huge delay, but [...] Sorry Francisco about all the problems you encountered. I have to say that many of us have been very patient, but now there's no Mark Filipak? I think many of us have tried to contact him, even by phone, so does anybody know what's up with him? Seems out of his character not to respond, so I am beginning to worry. I hope everything's OK with him. And due to this situation I will be pleasantly surprised if the CD-R reaches my branch by the end of October, but in reality, I doubt it will reach us soon... Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 10:48 pm Subject: White Out 'detail' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek I've discovered that Johannes Schmoelling's 'White Out' CD was released with 2 different tray inserts. One insert has the title and catalog number printed on the spine, while the other is completely blank (as in white). Is one of these a promo insert, or were they just released with the two different tray inserts? Vic By the way, this is a great CD (some 'Logos' ideas are on this release)! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7323 Re: White Out 'detail' Erik Sanborn Tue 9/30/1997 4 KB 7328 Re: White Out 'detail' Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Tue 9/30/1997 4 KB 7324 Re: White Out 'detail' Vic Rek Tue 9/30/1997 4 KB 7348 MPEG3 Sound Files - House of the Rising Sun feldon@p... Wed 10/1/1997 3 KB 7329 Re: White Out 'detail' Vincent Goudreault Tue 9/30/1997 4 KB 7332 Re: White Out 'detail' Marcel Engels Wed 10/1/1997 4 KB 7343 Re: White Out 'detail' Vic Rek Wed 10/1/1997 3 KB 7347 Re: White Out 'detail' Mike Livsey Wed 10/1/1997 3 KB 7387 Re: White Out 'detail' Vic Rek Thu 10/2/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: The Story With Mark Filipak (IMPORTANT) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman FIRST OF ALL, THERE ARE TWO IMPORTANT MESSAGES AT THE END OF THIS NOTE: ONE FOR FRANCISCO, AND ONE FOR VIC. - - - - - - - - - - - - Well, I had a long talk with Mark last night, and what I suspected was the case was indeed the case, and then some: Mark had two bad things happen at nearly the same time -- so that he is 'out of business' as a computer consultant. Specifically, he had his computer crash because of a virus, and almost concurrently had non-productive relations with two clients so that he is close to bankrupt. He has had to sell some of his equipment to pay the bills. Right now, he's struggling to pay the rent! And no, I'm not being a bigmouth saying this stuff. I asked Mark what I should and should not mention here, and he okayed (most of) it. Via a friend's account and computer, Mark has been able to have net access at last, but he's using every minute he has online trying to recoup his losses and make some spare cash, so that's why he hasn't said anything to you guys, yet. (Hey, I left a message on Mark's phone, but if I hadn't called him again after he'd not called me back--which I do not blame him for since that would be yet one more (phone-)bill he would have trouble paying--I wouldn't have wound up talking to him at all.) Anyways . . . Mark says that he should be able to contact you all 'within three days' (as of last night). By the way, Mark's birthday was last Saturday the 27th: that makes him 51. What a happy birthday--not. :-/ IMPORTANT MESSAGES: First, Mark said to 'tell Vic I don't hate him.' ;) By this, he means that all the delays are due to his financial woes--that he isn't/ wasn't strategically avoiding Vic or somesuch. Second, Mark said to tell Francisco that he'll get his disk; that he hasn't forgotten about Disk Two; and that he thinks he might know why his CD-Rs aren't working right. He suggests turning off 'autoplay' in Windows 95 so that it is set to 'AUTOPLAY=0'. I hope that helps. So, you can all relax re Mark having bad intentions, but Mark is under a strain right now, and won't be able to be as prolific a contributor to this list (and GoldTri) as he was for a little while. -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7319 Re: The Story With Mark Filipak (IMPORTANT) jinsuk Kim Tue 9/30/1997 3 KB 7320 Re: The Story With Mark Filipak (IMPORTANT) Francisco Salgado C. Tue 9/30/1997 3 KB 7446 Re: The Story With Mark Filipak (IMPORTANT) Dennis Nigbur Sat 10/4/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: About My TD's GREATEST HITS Letter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: My TD's GREATEST HITS Letter to Hypnotic >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:37:14 -0500 >Really-From: feldon@p... > >>Really-From: Sean Montgomery >> >>I quite like your selection of 'hits', but a few obvious picks are >>omitted, most notably 'Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe', the only real 'hit' >>the band has had anywhere. [. . .] Er, what about 'Love on a Real Train'? As far as I know, the best- selling TD album in the US was LEGEND--followed by RISKY BUSINESS (but then, who the heck has a domestic copy!), and the best-selling in the UK was FLASHPOINT (though God knows why). Besides, the 1983 version of 'Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe' is too close to 'White Eagle' and not quite as good. >[. . .] I would also suggest Chris Franke's 'Chimes and Chains' [. . .] It's not TD, though. Hey, I'd love to add Edgar's 'A Dali-esque Sleep Fuse,' the 'OS 452' remix from SOLO 1974-1979, or 'Dome of Blue Turtles' from BEYOND THE STORM, but this is a *TD* hits package, not a class reunion! ;) >[. . .] Logos 'Blue Part' [. . .] I made a point of avoiding the long TD tracks because they ate up CD time, and I've always found the practice of excerpting to be evil, including the many excerpts on TANGENTS. (I confess to separating the NEAR DARK track, 'Bus Station,' from 'Mae Comes Back,' though.) >[. . .] the Theme from Streethawk, 'Tiergarten' [. . .] The version of 'Streethawk' on LE PARC is a might bit too cutesy for me. The version on the 12' is better, but still not a classic. I think 'Gaudi Park' is a much better, stronger, more psychedelic track. >>'Cottage' (or something from Legend) [. . .] Eeep! I confess: I f***ed up there, big-time. It was a complete accident. 'Cottage' should DEFINITELY have been on the list. Sorry! (I mean it, too. 'Cottage' really is great. For the most part, I hold LEGEND in very low esteem, but 'Cottage' is the one major exception to the rule.) >>[. . .] 'Horns of Doom', 'A Time For Heroes, (it's cheesy, but so is >>'Love of Mine'), 'Fort Worth Runway One', and 'Quasar' Sigh, except for the Ones and 'Ultima Thule' singles, I really had no intentions of appealing to collectors per se on this venture: only to give the buyer a genuinely satisfying and representative package. 'Quasar' is very good, but not great. 'Fort Worth Runway One' is a turkey: *really* bad. Consider it TD's UNIVERSAL SOLDIER, RAVEN, and THE CELESTINE PROPHESY all rolled into one. ;) :) (It's *still* not as bad as the title track to OPTICAL RACE, though.) >I don't know about all those tracks, but i think Choronzon, Logos Blue >88-98, and Tiergarten would fit quite nicely. [. . .] 'Choronzon' is really good, but not in the same league as 'Kiew` Mission, ' IMHO. As for 'Logos Blue 88-98,' it's that damned excerpt stuff again. :( 'Tiergarten' is a valid point, but I went out of my way to limit one track per album. (I let the 'Rockoon' edit and 'Story of the Brave' sneak in because they were for the most part non-LP cuts.) In the vein of 'Tiergarten,' I was forced to eliminate from the list 'Mae's Transformation' (which is the most beautiful quasi-classical thing TD has ever done, IMHO) and the achingly beautiful 'News and Morality' (from THE MAN INSIDE soundtrack). >[. . .] I'm not sure about a vocal track, even if it is rare. [. . .] Are you referring to 'Rising Runner Missed by Endless Sender'? It is not rare, it's just that for certain mind-sets, this is a great cut. It's actually one of my fave TD tracks, believe it or not. I can see why lots of people would hate it, though. Just the same, I think it merits inclusion as perhaps the best track with lyrics that TD has yet produced (although the vocal version of 'Dreamtime' isn't bad at all.) >Frankly, bits from live recordings would be more historically >interesting than stuff by The Ones. [. . .] Yeah, but this is a hits compendium we're talking about, here, not a Lets Make All the Hardcore TD Completists Happy project. >Subject: Re: TD's Greatest Hits >Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:25:30 +0000 (GMT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: Grant Middleton > >include :- > >Streethawk. Too cutesy for my tastes. >Warsaw in the Sun (12' single version). I don't like this even remotely as much as I do 'Rare Bird.' >No Man's Land. Hmmm... I'm almost tempted to agree with you on this one, but it's 'too Eastern,' if you know what I mean, to appeal to the random listener, but maybe I'm underestimating its ethnic or world-music appeal? ;) >Monolight first half (original from Encore). >Logos Blue (I think that's the colour anyhow :-) Feh: excerpts. Still, I gave the 'Monolight' single serious consideration. >Change :- > >Beach Theme to the longer Beach Scene. It doesn't have quite the same punch. I could be wrong, here, though. >Rare Bird to Choronzon (well, it IS a variation on a theme, no ?) Huh?!? You lost me, there. >Ditch :- > >Catwalk. You can't be serious. This is one of the best TD tracks in the last 10 years, IMHO. Besides, I have a 15-min version, and will soon have both 4 1/2 min versions, so you could say I've invested a lot in this track. ;) >The older 'rarities'. The Ones and the 'Ultima Thule' tracks are there for three reasons: 1) because they are cost-prohibitive to obtain otherwise 2) few people have heard or even *heard of* them 3) if they don't appear *here*, they might never appear *anywhere*, at the rate Ed has been dragging ass with his oft-mentioned TD RARITIES project (or is that now a dead-in-the-water proposition?). And no, bootlegs don't count. Well, I guess that's that. See ya. Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Dreams Word, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Emdreams, CNI News, Contact ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ Forum, _PEER_ Perspectives, ^ ^ - _ \ 02146-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ the Nausicaa list, Tadream. ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^_- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HAYAO MIYAZAKI DISCUSSION GROUP: nausicaa@b... ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ <*> Address for subscribing: listserv@b... <*> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 30, 1997 1:08 am Subject: Re: The Shepher's Bush tree (Re: Eh Gad! Washappinin'?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 10:02 PM 9/29/97 +0100, Francisco wrote: > I'm glad to inform that the CDR branches are finally running. Although I >cannot communicate with Mark I know he has the complete set copy and I heard >it's been running at the moment. The European branch has the complete copy >too. So I hope this to be fully distributed by the end of october. > >Sorry Folks for the huge delay, but I didn't have a CDR burner at the >beginning of this adventure so I ask Jose Luis Tur to do it. I took too much >time and finally ( after a 2 month delay) I didn't get any answer from him [....] >And that's all... Uhh ! what a story, isn't it ? > >---Francisco Indeed what a story. This is TRULY a labor of love, Francisco, and I am impressed. I can hardly wait to hear from the American branch. I am sure the wait will be well worth it. Thanks, Francisco, for your dedication. You are a genuine fan and a friend of fans. Maybe somehow we can return the favor. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 30, 1997 4:10 am Subject: Re: The Story With Mark Filipak (IMPORTANT) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: jinsuk Kim Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that news about Mark. It was he that let me know the existence of this mailing list and gave me a new opportunity to give a whole new look at TD. I, as well as any other guy on thil ML, do hope to see him back here with smile on his face... jinsuk Kim jindor@m... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 30, 1997 8:21 am Subject: Re: The Story With Mark Filipak (IMPORTANT) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Really-From: Steven Feldman > Well, I had a long talk with Mark last night, and what I suspected > was the case was indeed the case, and then some: Mark had two bad things > happen at nearly the same time I'm really sad about Mark's situation. I hope To hear good news from him soon. Please, tell Mark NOT TO WORRY about non-important matters, and specially about that second disc: I already did it, as I said, my CD burner now is O.K. ( it was a failure of the unit, not a problem of configuration of my system). ( Thanks, Mark for the tip anyway. Even having this bunch of problems you are able to think about a my tiny one). Regarding the S.Bush tree, I can understand If Mark doesn't have time for this due to his present situation, so If he would like us to take care of his branches, it would be no problem. > Mark says that he should be able to contact you all > 'within three days' (as of last night). That's a small good news inside all this situation. ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 30, 1997 9:28 am Subject: Re: TD's Greatest Hits ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton >>Streethawk. > > Too cutesy for my tastes. I still think it's a 'Hit' that should be included. Is your intention to educate the Great Unwashed by gently pulling them in through the type of music they might already listen to (Vangelis, Jarre, etc) ? If so, then Streethawk is a must, IMO. >>Warsaw in the Sun (12' single version). > > I don't like this even remotely as much as I do 'Rare Bird.' Why not have both ? The insistence on one track per album is a bad idea, I'd say. The distribution of hits/album is unequal, so why not make the contributions of each album to the Greatest Hits collection unequal, also ? >>No Man's Land. > > Hmmm... I'm almost tempted to agree with you on this one, but > it's 'too Eastern,' if you know what I mean, to appeal to the random > listener, but maybe I'm underestimating its ethnic or world-music > appeal? ;) I'm sure Ash would let you know how 'Eastern' it really is. He'd probably agree with me that it's an Eastern-sounding pastiche which gives the impression of exotic locations. So much trance and world-music has a base in Eastern musical ideas, I think it'd work; The general perception of electronic and abstract music has changed quite a bit over the past few years - it's not just the domain of hippies and geeks. >>Monolight first half (original from Encore). >>Logos Blue (I think that's the colour anyhow :-) > >Feh: excerpts. Still, I gave the 'Monolight' single serious >consideration. Monolight got me (and later, my brother) into TD in the first place. After listening to that excerpt about 10 times, I let it develop into the 'crap bit'. After many years, the power of the first sequence was blunted, but I still love the second part with a passion. There's a definite place for excerpts for introducing people to TD through the more 'immediate' appeal of these parts. If they then track down the original and follow- through to the more demanding parts, then you've just won another convert ! >>Change :- >> >>Beach Theme to the longer Beach Scene. > > It doesn't have quite the same punch. I could be wrong, here, > though. Certainly, the drums are better in 'Theme'. I still love the intro and build-up on 'Scene', though. >>Rare Bird to Choronzon (well, it IS a variation on a theme, no ?) > > Huh?!? You lost me, there. Bugger, no wonder. I meant that 'Polish Dance' was a variation on Choronzon ! Still, I really don't like 'Rare Bird'. >>Ditch :- >> >>Catwalk. > > You can't be serious. This is one of the best TD tracks in the >last 10 years, IMHO. Besides, I have a 15-min version, and will soon >have both 4 1/2 min versions, so you could say I've invested a lot in >this track. ;) Oh but I CAN be serious. Catwalk is directionless tosh, IMO. I've listened to it a LOT of times to try to find out its appeal. None of my musician friends (who enjoy a lot of TD) find anything in it, either. > The Ones and the 'Ultima Thule' tracks are there for three reasons: > > 1) because they are cost-prohibitive to obtain otherwise > 2) few people have heard or even *heard of* them > 3) if they don't appear *here*, they might never appear *anywhere*, at > the rate Ed has been dragging ass with his oft-mentioned TD RARITIES > project (or is that now a dead-in-the-water proposition?). And no, > bootlegs don't count. They still shouldn't be on a TD Greatest Hits album. That's for a 'TD Anthology' a la Beatles. I feel they would only put people off. Still, I feel that the whole project is a great idea, and I'm rootin' for ya, whatever you decide to put on it. Keep us posted on the progress. Grunt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 30, 1997 8:48 am Subject: Happy Birthday TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Hilmar Kraft Well, I am one day late. But as September 29th 1967 seems to be regarded as the official day that Tangerine Dream was founded, and since no one else mentioned it: !!! HAPPY 30th BIRTHDAY TD !!! Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7354 Re: Happy Birthday TD Grant Middleton Thu 10/2/1997 3 KB 7393 Re: Happy Birthday TD Francisco Salgado C. Fri 10/3/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 30, 1997 12:54 pm Subject: Re: White Out 'detail' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) > Really-From: Vic Rek > > I've discovered that Johannes Schmoelling's 'White Out' CD was released with > 2 different tray inserts. One insert has the title and catalog number > printed on the spine, while the other is completely blank (as in white). Is > one of these a promo insert, or were they just released with the two > different tray inserts? > > Vic > > By the way, this is a great CD (some 'Logos' ideas are on this release)! I have the version with the completely blank spine. I didn't realize there was another version. Personally, I thought the blank spine was a clever way of demonstrating the effects of a white-out, where land and sky merge into a featureless white existence. Although I enjoy all of Johannes Schmoelling's albums, White Out holds special interest with me because of its ability to create such an aural landscape. I am awed by his ability to take non-music sounds and combine them in a way that is musically interesting. -Erik Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7328 Re: White Out 'detail' Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Tue 9/30/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 30, 1997 1:56 pm Subject: Re: White Out 'detail' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) > >> I've discovered that Johannes Schmoelling's 'White Out' CD was released with >> 2 different tray inserts[...] >I have the version with the completely blank spine. I didn't realize there was >another version. Personally, I thought the blank spine was a clever way of >demonstrating the effects of a white-out, where land and sky merge into a >featureless white existence. I have the blank spine too, well, I got it second hand and somebody wrote in the title and catalog number in a fine black marker. At first I thought it was printed like that. Along with the blank (white out) spine, maybe Johannes was also allowing you to personalize your copy by writing in 'your' title? Just a thought... > >Although I enjoy all of Johannes Schmoelling's albums, White Out holds special >interest with me because of its ability to create such an aural landscape. >I am awed by his ability to take non-music sounds and combine them in a way >that is musically interesting. Yes, this CD is very interesting and it along with 'Zoo of Tranquillity' are my favorites by him. His new releases are more melodic (and good too), but these are very unique and interesting as you mentioned. I listen to them often. Vic BTW, so far people have told me that they have the 'blank' spine. Anybody with the printed spine? :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7348 MPEG3 Sound Files - House of the Rising Sun feldon@p... Wed 10/1/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 30, 1997 1:51 pm Subject: Music with only 12 notes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Phil, There is an interesting lecture on this topic coming up at FERMILAB... Perhaps you should check it out... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 30, 1997 1:52 pm Subject: Tower PULSE / TD Compilations ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean The October issue of PULSE has an extended write-up about licensing multilabel and older reissues.... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: TD in German TV ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) Hi, sorry if this might be late for some of you, but I only just saw it. Michelangelo Antonioni's 'Identifikation einer Frau' (Identificazione di una donna / Identification of a woman) Italy/France 1982, is on German ZDF TV tonight (tomorrow?) Tue, 30 Sept, 0:30-2:25h, presumably in a german dubbed version. Original Soundtrack Music by TD , ZDF runs no commercials at this time of the night and can be viewed europe-wide from the Astra sattelites. -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 30, 1997 3:36 pm Subject: Re: White Out 'detail' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 >Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) > >I have the version with the completely blank spine. I didn't realize there was >another version. Personally, I thought the blank spine was a clever way of >demonstrating the effects of a white-out, where land and sky merge into a >featureless white existence. I also have the 'whited-out' spine, rather than one with any information. I must admit, however, that the 'clever' idea had never occurred to me. Now that you mention it, Erik, it seems as though it may well have been deliberate. >Although I enjoy all of Johannes Schmoelling's albums, White Out holds special >interest with me because of its ability to create such an aural landscape. >I am awed by his ability to take non-music sounds and combine them in a way >that is musically interesting. Without trying to jump too far ahead in the D: series, I have to say that Schmoelling's work is something of an enigma with me. There is always one track (in the three CDs of his that I have) that really stands out - huge 5AS pieces that I really love. But in general, I find the other pieces normally only rate as average. Perhaps by the time his works come up for discussion, I'll have a better idea of why I feel this way. > >-Erik NP - Partolling Space Borders - pretty good, even if only because I now know that CHOM-FM is pronounced 'shom' and no 'chom' (as in chair). Wishing that I'd remembered Aqua for the D: review. Maybe tomorrow. ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 30, 1997 3:52 pm Subject: Re: White Out 'detail' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Sep 30, 3:36pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Re: White Out 'detail' (...) > Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 > > (...) > > NP - Partolling Space Borders - pretty good, even if only because I now know > that CHOM-FM is pronounced 'shom' and no 'chom' (as in chair). > That is because they used the French pronounciation, since back when it was established, CHOM was a bilingual station, which was forced to become become fully English (through protestations from the other French stations who could not stant the 'cool' status CHOM had). Since then, CHOM has lost a bit of extra feathers, having recently (as in last month...) dropped their local morning show (featuring classic rock) to put Howard 'I'm gonna gross you out' Stein (syndicated from New York) instead -- something that improved their rating somewhat (I hope only temporarily, as it may be due to curiosity from liteners who used to tune in other stations). Now, I have to listen to 99.9 FM, the 'Buzz' station broadcasting from Vermont in the US: they feature alternate music, but the reception is not always perfect due to the distance. But given the choice between the king of smut (who plays NO MUSIC, except that time when he had (horror of horror) the Spice Girls doing an accapalla song in his studio (after asking them all about their private sex life, of course) and who gets calls from people with an IQ in the low single digit range) and a bit of static over *good* music (unfortunately, no TD...) I believe there is not much options... Sorry about rambling on like that, but I feel cheated out of the only station who ever had the spine to play TD live here in Montreal. C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 30, 1997 4:14 pm Subject: Panorphelia speaks--a sidenote to D: Aqua ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid As for a preliminary contribution to the D:Aqua threads... It seems to me that, whenever I do listen to the album, and to 'Panorphelia' in particular, the squelchy, bubbling engine sound that underpins the piece seems to be saying things! Usually, what I hear sounds like 'Bl-ack moth, th-the black moth'. I have also (in various stages of semiconsciousness induced by the title cut) heard Black shuck, block stack, lock stock (what, no barrel? ;)) among other less well-remembered things. Anyone else have this rather odd experience with 'Panorphelia'? gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7333 Re: Panorphelia speaks--a sidenote to D: Aqua Marcel Engels Wed 10/1/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 30, 1997 5:00 pm Subject: D:Aqua ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Hi dreamers 1. 'Aqua' is much more 'ambient' than 'e-music', well, why not? But I find this boring at last. 2. 'panorphelia' is sequenced but is it better 'e-music'? 3. 'ngc891' is my favourite track IN THIS ALBUM but certainly not my favourite EF track. In fact, I find the remix of 'ngc891' in 'Solo 74-79 more interessant and listenable. 4. 'upland' is 'aqua part II' as someone already wrote (or something like that). Does anyone know the meaning of 'panorphelia'? and 'upland'? 'ngc891' is the name of a galaxy, isn't it? What does photo on inside booklet represents? Note: Virgin made a compilation of ambient music (6 CD , 2 per box) featuring 'Panorphelia' in disk2 of set #1. fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 30, 1997 7:34 pm Subject: Re: White Out 'detail' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: tadream mailing list Aan: tadream@c... Datum: Tuesday, September 30, 1997 4:25 PM Onderwerp: Re: White Out 'detail' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- >Really-From: Vic Rek > > >>Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) >> >>> I've discovered that Johannes Schmoelling's 'White Out' CD was released with >>> 2 different tray inserts[...] > >>I have the version with the completely blank spine. I didn't realize there was >>another version. Personally, I thought the blank spine was a clever way of >>demonstrating the effects of a white-out, where land and sky merge into a >>featureless white existence. > >I have the blank spine too, well, I got it second hand and somebody wrote in >the title and catalog number in a fine black marker. At first I thought it >was printed like that. Along with the blank (white out) spine, maybe >Johannes was also allowing you to personalize your copy by writing in 'your' >title? Just a thought... > >BTW, so far people have told me that they have the 'blank' spine. Anybody >with the printed spine? :-) > Hhmm, I have the german pressing. It's got a catalog-nr: 843-395-2 and the title. The whole text is written in German, except for the thanks-text. Is it the same? Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 30, 1997 8:39 pm Subject: Re: Panorphelia speaks--a sidenote to D: Aqua ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > >As for a preliminary contribution to the D:Aqua threads... > >It seems to me that, whenever I do listen to the album, and to >'Panorphelia' in particular, the squelchy, bubbling engine sound that >underpins the piece seems to be saying things! Usually, what I hear >sounds like 'Bl-ack moth, th-the black moth'. I have also (in various >stages of semiconsciousness induced by the title cut) heard >Black shuck, >block stack, >lock stock (what, no barrel? ;)) > among other less well-remembered things. > >Anyone else have this rather odd experience with 'Panorphelia'? Well, not with Aqua. But with Ricochet pt.2. After the middle part (with the voices) comes a superb sequencer-part. I know Chris (or maybe Peter?) is tuning? his sequencer, but it sounds like some is saying something like Ah or Oh. Just checked the timing, it's around 18:07 till 18:11. The first time I heared the record I was looking around in my room to see if anybody was in there. Strange. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 30, 1997 9:55 pm Subject: i'm back / stuff found & offered ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> I'm back anyone waiting to send me snail mail or e-mail, please do so at your convenience. If you sent me snail mail/e-mail you'll be getting a reply shortly. I understand that my f**king compuserve mailbox filled up on the 28th so if you sent me e-mail on the 28th or after, please resend it. Also, could someone forward me a copy of the digest from the 28th and 29th and 30th? While away, I found some time to do a little 'shopping' and here's what I picked up to share (trades preferred but I will sell some of these) 70-80 box set (the vinyl set ;-) -- box mint, booklet mint, discs mint to mint- Tangents CD box set -- new, still sealed Tangram (LP with **Picture sleeve**) Lp Ex, pic sleeve Ex+, cover VG Poland 2LP picture disc set -- mint Warsaw in the Sun 12' vinyl mint, cover Ex+ Encore 2LP promo copy (with DJ timing stickers and *separated* tracks) cover mint-/vinyl mint Tyger CD (Relativity release with Vigour) mint- as usual, please contact me privately about this stuff thanks lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 30, 1997 5:20 pm Subject: Mark Filipak, The State of TDML ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox I, too, was sorry to hear of Marks bad times. Having been there, I hope we all have a small space to wish him well. I hope to 'hear' his voice here again soon. Selling your posessions to pay bills has to be the most dis-heartening thing one can endure! To the state of TD. I am slightly appalled to find that anyone who posts here with any frequency is disregarding something another of us has to offer. Your intuitive powers are beyond mine. I find a lot of the postings beyond my interest (backward masking of 'is Franke dead' and 'Edgar is the walrus') but I read it all thinking I might just glean something I didn't know--often the case. Most of you I have communicated with have been quick to respond and I appreciate that effort! I'm sure there is room where those that inject TD into their artery every day can live with those who only are occasional users but still hold a deep interest in the band. Us 'fringe' folk delight in the others deep drilling of the music. Now that I've dressed down everyone---who's up for a pint? Cheers, and warm wishes for Mark, Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Sep 30, 1997 5:17 pm Subject: Re: Scan and See ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox Hi Fred! Catching up on the mail. How is the HTML going? I learned by saving a web page I liked (without a lot of graphics) and looking at it via a text program. You see all the code---just substitute your stuff for what they link to---sites or graphics---background images you dload to your ISP, just like your text---usually an .htm file. Check out www.htmlgoodies.com it's an excellent primer! Anything I can help you with, feel free to write! My page URL is: http://members.iquest.net/~mfox/ Cheers, Mike At 12:51 PM 9/17/97 -0400, you wrote: >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: FredYargui@a... > > >Hi, everybodreamers! > >There is plenty pictures featuring in the LP and not the CD: > >In the beginning (6 LP box set) >atem (verso : lineup) >zeit (inner sleeve in COLOR!) >alpha centauri / atem (inner sleeve) >risky business (verso) >near dark (verso : 5 pics) >legend (verso : 3 pics + brian ferry) >wuivend riet (verso : johannes with hands in his pockets) >3 o'clock high (verso : 12 pics) >poland (5 pics on the thin sleeves) >solo (edgar best of '74-'79) > >I've got an A4 scanner ... not very simple to scan 2x30 cm for the inner >sleeves but no problem with the rest. > >Is anybody interested? > >I may construct my own web page but somebody may tell me the fastest way to >do it (e-mail me and you'll be my teacher! all a program!) > >thanks for each answer (please e-mail offlist) > >regards to all. > >fred > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 12:53 am Subject: CDs for Sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) Pardon the interuption. I'm selling some of my cds and trying to target the right listeners. The prices are in US dollars. The Boddy double cd is $10 (always), all others are $7 each. If you buy two single cds, the second one is $6. If you buy three or more single cds, the third and thereafter is $5. For example, buying four cds will be $23 ($7 + $6 + $5 + $5). Or, if you would like to bid on the whole set to resale yourself, that's fine too. All are in very good condition. Prices include shipping. E-mail me privately. Here they are: Ian Boddy - Jade Ian Boddy - Odyssey Ian Boddy - Continuum (2 cds) Boddy/Pickford - Symbiont Roon Boots - Offshore Island Brain - Access & Amplify Brainwork - Rhythm Base Brainwork - Live & Unreleased Harold Grosskopf - The Synthesis Plus Hemisphere - Beyond the Darkness Mind Over Matter - Colours of Life Node - Node Optical Image - Treasure Point Peru - Point of the Compass Peru - Forlian Peru - Moon Andy Pickford - Dystopia Johannes Schmoelling - Songs No Words Joerg Strawe - Sequenzer Ohnr Grenzen TK - First Excursion TK - Vertigo Paul Ward - The Fear of Make Believe David Wright - Marjlynmba Again, sorry for the interuption. What I don't sell here, I'll take to the local used cds stores to sell. In case someone's been looking for any of the above, well...there it is. Thanks, Larry Smith e-mail: TheSmitter@j... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7366 Re: CDs for Sale Hermes Guzman Thu 10/2/1997 2 KB 7368 Re: CDs for Sale Hermes Guzman Thu 10/2/1997 2 KB 7371 Re: CDs for Sale Wall Of Sound Thu 10/2/1997 3 KB 7372 Re: CDs for Sale Vic Rek Thu 10/2/1997 2 KB 8997 Re: CDs for Sale PhilPDX@a... Mon 11/24/1997 2 KB 9003 Re: CDs for Sale Larry E Smith Mon 11/24/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: B5 Fan CDs and LEGEND CD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Some questions. 1) what label is the LEGEND CD on, and in what countries is it available? 2) I recall two Private Music TD releases came out on vinyl in the USA in a promo-only fashion, but can only remember one of them, which was MIRACLE MILE. What was the other one. MELROSE? 3) Are these the names of the 5 fan-only BABYLON 5 CDs, and will these only be available mail-order (i.e. not in stores)? 'A Late Delivery from Avalon' 'Z'ha'dum' 'Shadow Dancing' 'Severed Dreams' 'Walkabout.' -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7340 Re: B5 Fan CDs and LEGEND CD Dave Brewer Wed 10/1/1997 3 KB 7349 Re: B5 Fan CDs and LEGEND CD Salmij{rvi Janne Wed 10/1/1997 3 KB 7370 Re: B5 Fan CDs and LEGEND CD AOutland@a... Thu 10/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Silva Screen/America Question ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Did DEAD SOLID PERFECT ever get released on CD in the USA? I seem to recall that whereas DEADLY CARE and THE PARK IS MINE did, DEAD SOLID PERFECT did not. -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 2:10 am Subject: Re: B5 Fan CDs and LEGEND CD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: Steven Feldman > > 1) what label is the LEGEND CD on, and in what countries is it > available? Ahh, a question I think I know the answer to! :-) The only release I know of is on Varese Sarabande in the USA. I don't think it's on any other labels/countries. (assuming you're talking about the TD version, not the J Goldsmith version :-) ) Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 2:54 am Subject: D:Aqua ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Yes, one more post for today... (but they don't come in order from the server) I came across this 1974 release in the late '70's as a young teenager. For some reason the music and corresponding artwork have always kept my imagination busy with this release (as with Epsilon..). Edgar's music isn't the greatest here, but I still consider it very important. This type of sound and electronics are rarely repeated. I love listening to this album and thinking (or remembering) of exotic places. I like all the tracks on Aqua - no favorites here. Is there some backwards stuff at the end of 'Upland'? 3AS. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7345 Backwords Stuff on Aqua Dave Brewer Wed 10/1/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 2:54 am Subject: Shepherds Bush US Branch ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek I've read all of the information about Mark Filipak and I understand the situation. Sometimes my posts may seem a bit insensitive, but that is not really the case. And since I know Mark well through e-mail at least, I think he'd appreciate some help here. So until Mark is back on-line, I think we should come up with an alternative plan (Francisco?) and distribution network. I think Mark had planned some artwork for this, so maybe we can wait on this. But the CD-Rs?.. What I propose is that we re-structure the tree (I mean (we) our friend Francisco) and then donate to Mark the 3 CD set? That seems fair for all the effort he has put into it. I can donate either the media or my time. I look for a volunteer to help complete the task. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7346 Shepherds Bush US Branch Lars R. Jones Wed 10/1/1997 3 KB 7373 Re: Shepherds Bush US Branch Francisco Salgado C. Thu 10/2/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 2:54 am Subject: Re: White Out 'detail' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >>BTW, so far people have told me that they have the 'blank' spine. Anybody >>with the printed spine? :-) >> >Hhmm, I have the german pressing. >It's got a catalog-nr: 843-395-2 and the title. >The whole text is written in German, except for the thanks-text. > >Is it the same? Yes, there was only one pressing - from Germany. Good to hear from you Marcel - how are your upcoming projects doing? :-) Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7347 Re: White Out 'detail' Mike Livsey Wed 10/1/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 2:58 am Subject: Mellotron Archive in financial trouble... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Shipley Sorry for the spamming post, but this is important! I was perusing the latest copy of KEYBOARD magazine at the local supermarket this evening, when my eyes beheld a BEAUTIFUL sight! Vintage keyboards of every shape and size, Moogs, ARP's, Buchla's, Mellotrons (even a clear one!), Chamberlains, keyboard-controlled Theremins, you name it, it was there! An analog synth freak's (that's me!!!) wet dream! But then the title of the article hit me, the Mellotron Archive is in financial difficulty. It seems that the two gents that put together this fine collection cannot afford to pay the monthly rent on the space needed for all of these fine old pieces and is looking for a sponsor to help keep the collection together (they don't want to sell the collection board by board, but do make a few bucks here and there renting out the keys). Me, well, maybe I can afford to buy a T-shirt or something from them to help 'em out, but it is tough enough making the monthly note on the house. Maybe some of you out there might be able to help in some way (Sure would be nice if one of the modern synth manufacturers could sponsor this endeavor, any of you guys work for one/know a rep?). You can find out more from their Web site which is: www.mellotron.com I haven't checked out this site yet, but as soon as I finish with this letter... Note, I am doing this because I think what they have put together should stay together and not for any other reason. Hell, if I hit the Lottery this weekend, I'll send 'em a few grand, but thats' the only way I can help these guys. Pass this info around if you think you know of a newsgroup or mailing list that might be of help or interest. Thanks for letting me bend your eyes. Craig craigs@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 3:14 am Subject: Backwords Stuff on Aqua ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: Vic Rek > > Is there some backwards stuff at the end of 'Upland'? > 3AS. > Yeah... Some time back, I recorded the end of Upland onto tape and played it backwords. I seem to remember it was a piano, maybe processed. Or something that sounded like a piano. Maybe I should retape it and listen again... Maybe I should post a review of this album since I haven't been contributing to the discussions lately! :-) Dave Brewer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 3:54 am Subject: Shepherds Bush US Branch ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Vic writes: >What I propose is that we re-structure the tree (I mean (we) our friend >Francisco) and then donate to Mark the 3 CD set? That seems fair for all >the effort he has put into it. I can donate either the media or my time. I >look for a volunteer to help complete the task. Sigh, I think Vic is right about this. I'd definitely be willing to do something (help) to get this moving along. I feel bad for Mark but, to be honest, I don't really know what is happening so I can't comment on it. If he is in a bad way, I think we need to offer our support but, at the same time, not let this thing fizzle out or drag on for another 6 months... lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 11:24 am Subject: Re: White Out 'detail' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 22:54:07 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >>Hhmm, I have the german pressing. >>It's got a catalog-nr: 843-395-2 and the title. >>The whole text is written in German, except for the thanks-text. >> >>Is it the same? > >Yes, there was only one pressing - from Germany. > Uh, I also got the German pressing from, ummmm, Scotland... Does anyone have a translation of the German text contained in the liner, or was the non-German version also created with liner notes in German? The only thing that I translated was that JS willingly participated in the bootleg Antarkis (controversy...OK the liner notes only mention Antarkis with a bunch of German stuff around it). Regards. Oh yes, did any bootleggers notice that track 4 (Ice Walk) has appeared previously (at least the latter part...see 3 Tier Dream, Digital Days, Part 2, and Ratikon somewhere towards the end of part 1). -- Mike Livsey mlivsey@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 6:40 am Subject: MPEG3 Sound Files - House of the Rising Sun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... Antonio Nunes has been kind enough to provide me with an MPEG3 file of House of the Rising Sun as performed by Tangerine Dream in 1980. This is previously unreleased material. This along with my other MPEG3 file from Logotypes (And other files very soon) can be found at: http://www.phoenix.net/~feldon/orange.html Morgan P.S. I need more unreleased stuff as MPEG3 files!!! Please e-mail me if you've got cool stuff. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 7:45 am Subject: Re: B5 Fan CDs and LEGEND CD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Salmij{rvi Janne > Really-From: Steven Feldman > Some questions. > 3) Are these the names of the 5 fan-only BABYLON 5 CDs, and will these > only be available mail-order (i.e. not in stores)? > 'A Late Delivery from Avalon', 'Z'ha'dum', 'Shadow Dancing', > 'Severed Dreams', 'Walkabout.' Yes, these are the first 5 titles in the series (supposedly there will be more in the future). They are not fan-only, as such, unless you mean that only a fan would purchase them. To some extent I would say that is true. I'm not sure about seeing those in stores, there might not be enough demand, but who knows. They are at least available thru the fan club and Sonic Images . Direct URL for the episodic soundtracks is . It would seem that going directly for the original source would yield better prices. That might have changed since the release date, though. -jhsa -- Stupid user error. Terminate user (Y/n) ? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: TD on german TV -again ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) Identification of a woman will be repeated tonight (tomorrow) at 01:15 h on German ZDF. -klaus- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 1:10 pm Subject: jim and pablo on the 'official' web page ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers (and jens) check out TD's Official web site for the Official story on jim and pablo der meteor. lars (anxiously awaiting his copy) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7358 Re: jim and pablo on the 'official' web page Lars R. Jones Thu 10/2/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 2:13 pm Subject: Re: D:Aqua ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Bill Lantz At 02:02 AM 10/1/97 -0500, in TDML wrote FredYargui@a...: >What does photo on inside booklet represents? At one time I imagined this to be a photo of the artificial head system used to record parts of the album. But close inspection of the LP version reveals one side is the same as the other side so one is a reverse image. Does anyone have detials on the artificial head system? Bill From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 2:45 pm Subject: D: ~~~~~'Aqua'~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... Aqua September 30, 1997 Edgar Froese 'Aqua' Published 1974 Purchased 1975 Virgin Records LP VR 13-111 0698 'Special sounds with the artificial head system by Gunther Brunschen' I was relatively new to this game in 1975, and I had no idea what they were talking about here. I said to myself as the awe built up in my tiny mind, 'What is an artificial head system?' 'Is this a tape deck with an artificial head? If so what is artificial about it? Why don't they use a real one?' I had absolutely no idea that they were talking about an artificial human head with microphones built into the ears, and if I had, I probably still wouldn't have had a clue. So I put on the headphones and listened intently through all of side two to try and determine what was so different about the recording that someone could not appreciate the music without these stupid things clamped to his head. Like I said; 'not a clue.' The term 'binaural' did not exist then. It was later that year that I read something about this type of recording, but it was literally years before I made the connection. At the point of revelation, I put on the headphones again and listened to side two again - - - - - - - - - - - nothing! Maybe I'll never know what all the fuss is about. But enough of this!! On with the music. . . Although this recording ranks up there with the best of mindless electronic noodling, I kind of like this stuff for what it _is_. It might be because the sounds bring back a wealth of memories of the beginning of performance based electronic music. The mode of the time was creating electronic music by pasting it together in a lab by using multi-track tape recorders and single voiced synthesizers in the style of Waltey/Wender Carlos of that period. It was impossible to do it spontaneously and live until that very moment. It was colossal. This guy was GOD! Seems primitive now. But then . . . ? Whew! Enough to take your breath away. Now - - - it's nostalgia. --------------------------------- 'NGC891' I assume this is another of Froese's airport compositions. Makes me think of Klaus schulze, for some reason. 'Upland' Take a listen to this on 'Aqua' and then the track by the same name off of 'Beyond The Storm'. I almost failed to link the two. Different sons of the same mother? Although the BtS version has a more interesting opening and has definitely better audio quality, I think I prefer the original for musical content. The revised version ('Tangentized') lacks the personal feel of the older one. 'Upland 2.0' seems to be too much like disco for my liking. - - And I _really_ miss those 'edited out' piano chords at the end. Those spoke volumes - - to me at least. 'Aqua' I always have to make a bathroom run during this track. Other than that I really like those haunting electronic effects. This seems less like music and more like electric ambiance. It does seem to coalesce into a form similar to some of those found in 'Zeit' by the end, and this is a good thing. 'Panorphelia' is by far my favorite track off this LP. This one takes me back to my introduction to TD when I heard 'Phaedra' on the radio late one night. Seems like a century ago, now. I am drawn to the conclusion that 'Panorphelia' was recorded prior to 'Phaedra' as it appears a bit primitive, even by those primitive standards. Yes I know - - I reviewed side two first and then side one, but I wanted to end on a high note. Besides I always 'play' side two first unless it's Beethoven. See ya' next time. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 4:04 pm Subject: Re: Happy Birthday TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton > Really-From: Hilmar Kraft > > Well, I am one day late. > > But as September 29th 1967 seems to be regarded > as the official day that Tangerine Dream was founded, By whom ? Where have you seen this info. ? > and since no one else mentioned it: > > !!! HAPPY 30th BIRTHDAY TD !!! Cooooolllll. I was born on the 22nd September 1967, exactly one week before. I can claim seniority over TD ! :-) Grunt PS, Please don't congratulate /me/ on reaching the big 3-0. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 3:25 pm Subject: The Skinny on Jim & Pablo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@c...> Hello folks, From the TD homepage, updated today. So, I suppose us TD completists will have to buy all 11 Jim & Pablo CD episodes in English _and_ in German, plus the CD-ROMs? Aaaaarrrggh! :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- JIM & PABLO A Science Fiction Audio (German language) Production for Children. Jim & Pablo are two child characters, who travel to various locations around our planet Earth - in later episodes they travel to different planets - where they experience a variety of adventures. The stories aim to arouse interest in phenomena found in nature, technology and human life. It is suitable for school-age children between 6 to 10 years old. This is the first of 11 episodes which will be released initially on CD and later on CD-ROM with animation. The narrators include actors such as Erwin Leder (Das Boot, Schindler's List etc.), Torsten Sense (who synchronizes various American actors voices) as well as reknowned actors from Vienna and Berlin. Tangerine Dream is responsible for the music and production of the series. The idea of creating such a series for the German-speaking world stems from a successful production in the USA for the New York company Rabbit Ears, called Rumpelstilskin, with Kathleen Turner as the narrator and music by Tangerine Dream, which was part of a children's series combining various names from show business with well-known composers. The narration is in the German language. The English version is planned for release next year. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 3:47 pm Subject: Off Topic -- List administrator, please ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Brian M. Frick' Would the list administrator, Keith, I believe, be kind enough to remove the address frickblj@w... from the mailing list? I have tried, as per the instructions, to remove that address twice, and have gotten no response. Thank you, -- Brian Frick (Co-Editor, Equinoxe) Email: Brian.M.Frick@l..., frick@b... Homepage: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/index.html Electronic Music: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/emu/index.html Equinoxe: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html Now Playing: 'Don't work for my happiness, my brothers -- show me yours -- show me that it is possible -- show me your achievement -- and the knowledge will give me the courage for mine.' - Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 3:56 pm Subject: Re: House of the siing sun link broken ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 06:43 AM 9/2/97 +0200, wrote: > >Hi, Morgan, > >just checked your webpage for the new mpeg3 file provided by Anonio >Nunes >and got that damn message 'linux.realideas.com - The server dunno have a >DNS entry' > >Did you mispelled the link ?? It works fine for me. I've tested it in Netscape. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 4:29 pm Subject: Re: jim and pablo on the 'official' web page ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >dreamers (and jens) >check out TD's Official web site for the Official story on jim and pablo >der meteor. lars (anxiously awaiting his copy) ---------- GOT the hint and YES I was wrong. All 22 CDs will be official releases. Hope you´ll enjoy your copy ;-) Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 4:55 pm Subject: Re: MPEG3 Sound Files - House of the Rising Sun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Antonio Nunes Thanks Morgan for hosting my MP3 file. Fans having the 'Collected Endings' boot should know already this track. > Antonio Nunes has been kind enough to provide me with an MPEG3 file of > House of the Rising Sun as performed by Tangerine Dream in 1980. Just a minor correction: according to the info printed on the boot back cover, this is a 1988 performance, most probably from the Optical Race North American Tour. Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7364 Re: MPEG3 Sound Files - House of the Rising Sun FredYargui@a... Thu 10/2/1997 2 KB 7367 TD MPEG3 Download Problems? Try right-click-Save feldon@p... Thu 10/2/1997 4 KB 7378 Re: MPEG3 Sound Files - House of the Rising Sun Christian von Toerne Thu 10/2/1997 2 KB 7365 Re: MPEG3 House of the Rising Sun 1988, not 1980 feldon@p... Thu 10/2/1997 3 KB 7369 Re: MPEG3 Sound Files - House of the Rising Sun jinsuk Kim Thu 10/2/1997 3 KB 7382 Re: MPEG3 Sound Files - House of the Rising Sun Francisco Salgado C. Thu 10/2/1997 3 KB 7444 Re: MPEG3 Sound Files - House of the Rising Sun FredYargui@a... Sat 10/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 6:36 pm Subject: D:Aqua ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) > Really-From: FredYargui@a... > > Hi dreamers > > 1. 'Aqua' is much more 'ambient' than 'e-music', well, why not? But I find > this boring at last. I couldn't agree more. Aqua is my least favorite Edgar Froese solo album. It seems to me to be more of an experiment than an album of music. > 2. 'panorphelia' is sequenced but is it better 'e-music'? > > 3. 'ngc891' is my favourite track IN THIS ALBUM but certainly not my > favourite EF track. In fact, I find the remix of 'ngc891' in 'Solo 74-79 more > interessant and listenable. Yes, I like the remix better, too. In fact, I prefer all of the remixes on Solo '74-'79 to the originals. > 4. 'upland' is 'aqua part II' as someone already wrote (or something like > that). 'Upland' is my favorite track on Aqua. I'm not entirely sure why but I guess I just like the ambient tone of it. I was _very_ disappointed in the 'tangentized' version that appears on Beyond the Storm. I think Edgar ruined it with that silly rhythm sequence that takes over in the second half of the track. > Does anyone know the meaning of 'panorphelia'? and 'upland'? > 'ngc891' is the name of a galaxy, isn't it? Yes, ngc891 is the designation of a galaxy. Upland usually refers to land that is higher in elevation than the lowlands but not mountainous. A plateau, for example. It also may imply that the land is some distance from the sea. No clue about panorphelia. An all-encompassing love of Orpheus? Maybe not. :) -Erik Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7396 Re: D:Aqua Michael Fox Thu 10/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: sub F***, but Collecting TD is Hell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: jim and pablo on the 'official' web page >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:29:14 +0200 >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > >>check out TD's Official web site for the Official story on jim and >>pablo der meteor. >[. . .] All 22 CDs will be official releases. Time for the F word: Oh, fucking hell!!! :( :( :( I've already spent over $600 on TD this year alone! And now Ed has to go and put out an 11-CD series (that's counting only the English ones) that one has to listen to a story and *maybe* get to hear the music clearly if one really concentrates?!?!? :( :( :( There is a hell. If the official TD page was correct in saying that this JIM AND PABLO affair was inspired by the RUMPELSTILTSKIN CD . . . why in hell didn't they put an instrumental version of the music (sans vox) on the CD like they did with RUMPELSTILTSKIN????????? F-word time again? ;) -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7362 Re: sub F***, but Collecting TD is Hell Vincent Goudreault Thu 10/2/1997 4 KB 7388 Re: sub F***, but Collecting TD is Hell Lars R. Jones Thu 10/2/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 8:13 pm Subject: Re: sub F***, but Collecting TD is Hell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Oct 1, 3:23pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: sub F***, but Collecting TD is Hell > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > > Time for the F word: Oh, fucking hell!!! :( :( :( I've > already spent over $600 on TD this year alone! And now Ed has to go > and put out an 11-CD series (that's counting only the English ones) > that one has to listen to a story and *maybe* get to hear the music > clearly if one really concentrates?!?!? :( :( :( There is a hell. > If the official TD page was correct in saying that this JIM AND > PABLO affair was inspired by the RUMPELSTILTSKIN CD . . . why in hell > didn't they put an instrumental version of the music (sans vox) on the > CD like they did with RUMPELSTILTSKIN????????? F-word time again? ;) > > -- Steven Feldman >-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list C'mon Steven, look at the good side: you'll have 11 new CD's to look forward to. This is an opportunity that fans of the Beatles (for instance) DON'T have. If you think that the new music is worth the $$$, well, get it! If you don't want to spend the cash, it's your problem. As for me, I only hope someone will provide us with tips on how to get those (as I can't go on the web, only email is authorized here). C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 10:15 pm Subject: I'll be out of touch for a bit ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Kimberly M. Zemo' Hey everyone, I'll be out of touch for a little while starting tomorrow, I'm getting married this sat. and will be honeymooning the following week :) Of course, I've arranged with the DJ to play some TD at the reception during the cocktail hour & dinner...can't let all those people get away without exposing them to some TD. Who knows, maybe I'll make a few more converts :) Once we get back, we'll be moving into our new apartment so I'll probably be off-list for the better part of the next 2 weeks. Should anyone need to get hold of me or if there's any major news on the TD front, please feel free to send private e-mail. I can check from Jon's computer once I take mine down. Talk to you all in a couple weeks! Kim darkstar@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7375 Re: I'll be out of touch for a bit TangerineC@a... Thu 10/2/1997 3 KB 7380 Re: I'll be out of touch for a bit Plumer, Scott Thu 10/2/1997 3 KB 7434 Re: I'll be out of touch for a bit AOutland@a... Sat 10/4/1997 3 KB 7436 'The Keep' track 7 online feldon@p... Sat 10/4/1997 3 KB 7495 Re: I'll be out of touch for a bit Plumer, Scott Mon 10/6/1997 3 KB 7513 Re: I'll be out of touch for a bit AOutland@a... Tue 10/7/1997 3 KB 7514 Re: I'll be out of touch for a bit AOutland@a... Tue 10/7/1997 2 KB 7527 Re: I'll be out of touch for a bit Plumer, Scott Tue 10/7/1997 2 KB 7533 Re: I'll be out of touch for a bit Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Tue 10/7/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 10:18 pm Subject: Re : Re: MPEG3 Sound Files - House of the Rising Sun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Hi everybody! The file I dowloaded is 'not a valid zip archive'. What's the matter? filename: hotrstd.zip fred Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7367 TD MPEG3 Download Problems? Try right-click-Save feldon@p... Thu 10/2/1997 4 KB 7378 Re: MPEG3 Sound Files - House of the Rising Sun Christian von Toerne Thu 10/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 11:22 pm Subject: Re: MPEG3 House of the Rising Sun 1988, not 1980 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 05:55 PM 10/1/97 +0100, you wrote: >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: Antonio Nunes > > >Thanks Morgan for hosting my MP3 file. Fans having the 'Collected >Endings' boot should know already this track. > > >> Antonio Nunes has been kind enough to provide me with an MPEG3 file of >> House of the Rising Sun as performed by Tangerine Dream in 1980. Hehe, I meant to type 1990... But that would have been wrong too. (It sure sounds Lily on the Beach-ish...) >Just a minor correction: according to the info printed on the boot back >cover, this is a 1988 performance, most probably from the Optical Race >North American Tour. Thanks Antonio, Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: CDs for Sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Hi Larry- >Johannes Schmoelling - Songs No Words Still available? Gimme gimme gimme! ; ) goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 11:52 pm Subject: TD MPEG3 Download Problems? Try right-click-Save File... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 06:18 PM 10/1/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: FredYargui@a... > >Hi everybody! > >The file I dowloaded is 'not a valid zip archive'. > >What's the matter? I haven't had any problem. I tested downloading the file with Netscape just by clicking on the file and it saved as a ZIP file. I extracted the ZIP file (using WinZip 6.1, the ZIP link I provided should work for Mac too), and opened it with my MP3 player (WinAmp/MacAmp) and it plays with no problems. Are you using AOL's browser or Netscape 3.0/4.0, or Internet Explorer 3.0/4.0? You can attempt right-clicking on the link 'House of the Rising Sun' on the page and force it to save as a raw file with no 'decoding' by just 'Save to Disk...'. It's worth trying. Also make sure you got the whole file. It's just over 1 megabyte. Morgan P.S. I got another 11 MB of webspace to fill with MPEG-3 Files!!! Also, I would like to once again request that people record at 16-bit 44kHz. I know you're recording off of tape most likely. Believe me, it's worth doing that 44kHz because of the way the MPEG encoder just throws out all kinds of data. (MPEG3 is a 12:1 compression process, you know). Come on guys, the average 5 minute long song takes about 2 MB, and it only takes like 10 minutes to record from tape and 25 minutes to encode it. I'm open to having exceptionally long MPEG3 files (like 15-20 minutes) if we split up the ZIP file into 2-3 segments. All of you who've been clamoring (or just wondering) about that wonderful encore played that fateful evening, January 31st, 1980 in Berlin after the Wall went up, you'll get a chance to get the entire 14 minute encore. From a tape thankfully provided by Dave Burek. NOTE NOTE NOTE: I want some feedback quickly about whether to split this track up into two pieces (there's an easy place to do this)... I hate downloading a 7 megabyte file that dies halfway through... I know you guys might have noisy modem connections. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: CDs for Sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) oops--that shouldn't have gone to the list! Sorry... goozer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7371 Re: CDs for Sale Wall Of Sound Thu 10/2/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 12:10 am Subject: Re: MPEG3 Sound Files - House of the Rising Sun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: jinsuk Kim >Really-From: feldon@p... > > >Antonio Nunes has been kind enough to provide me with an MPEG3 file of >House of the Rising Sun as performed by Tangerine Dream in 1980. This is >previously unreleased material. This along with my other MPEG3 file from >Logotypes (And other files very soon) can be found at: > >http://www.phoenix.net/~feldon/orange.html > >Morgan > >P.S. I need more unreleased stuff as MPEG3 files!!! Please e-mail me if >you've got cool stuff. > > Thank you very much Antonio & Steve. I'm enjoying it now!!! jinsuk Kim jindor@m... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 12:48 am Subject: Re: B5 Fan CDs and LEGEND CD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... Partial answers to your questions: Legend is on Varese Saraband label. I do not know what other countries is was released to. Miracle Mile, Melrose, and Optical Race are on the Private Music label. Hope this helps you. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 11:58 am Subject: Re: CDs for Sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Wall Of Sound' On 1 Oct 97 at 19:02, tadream mailing list wrote: > > oops--that shouldn't have gone to the list! Sorry... > maybe not Goozer, but check my list of TD boots on CDR to trade.. Groover CDs to move http://homepages.tig.com.au/~groover From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 2:16 am Subject: Re: CDs for Sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) >Hi Larry- >>Johannes Schmoelling - Songs No Words >Still available? Gimme gimme gimme! ; ) >goozer OK Hermes - I'll say it again 'who is tadream'? :-))) What do you think Klaus B.? Will he ever learn? ;-) Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 7:40 pm Subject: Re: Shepherds Bush US Branch ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Hello, Steven Feldman is told us Mark will contact us very soon ( 3 days, as of a couple of days) so maybe tomorrow we can have a message from him. Let's wait to hear what Mark has to tell us regarding this tree before deciding what to do. > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > Vic writes: > >What I propose is that we re-structure the tree (I mean (we) our friend > >Francisco) and then donate to Mark the 3 CD set? That seems fair for all > >the effort he has put into it. I can donate either the media or my time. > I > >look for a volunteer to help complete the task. > > Sigh, I think Vic is right about this. I'd definitely be willing to do > something (help) to get this moving along. I feel bad for Mark but, to be > honest, I don't really know what is happening so I can't comment on it. If > he is in a bad way, I think we need to offer our support but, at the same > time, not let this thing fizzle out or drag on for another 6 months... > > lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 7:45 am Subject: Jim and Pablo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... Hey, I went to Voiceprints TD page last week and Jim and Pablo was for sale. Now it mysteriously dissapeared. Anyone have any ideas? Tom Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7414 Jim and Pablo Michael A Jean Fri 10/3/1997 3 KB 7418 Re: Jim and Pablo Sean Montgomery Fri 10/3/1997 3 KB 7684 Jim and Pablo KRAUSENECKS Sat 10/11/1997 3 KB 7686 Jim and Pablo Lars R. Jones Sun 10/12/1997 3 KB 7689 Re: Jim and Pablo Vic Rek Sun 10/12/1997 3 KB 7693 Re: Jim and Pablo matt knudson Sun 10/12/1997 2 KB 7701 Re: Jim and Pablo Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 10/12/1997 3 KB 7717 Jim and Pablo KRAUSENECKS Mon 10/13/1997 3 KB 7740 Re: Jim and Pablo Micke Stark Tue 10/14/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 7:47 am Subject: Re: I'll be out of touch for a bit ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... Where the heck did she come from? :) In a message dated 97-10-01 18:22:45 EDT, you write: << Really-From: 'Kimberly M. Zemo' Hey everyone, I'll be out of touch for a little while starting tomorrow, I'm getting married this sat. and will be honeymooning the following week :) Of course, I've arranged with the DJ to play some TD at the reception during the cocktail hour & dinner...can't let all those people get away without exposing them to some TD. Who knows, maybe I'll make a few more converts :) >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Oct 1, 1997 11:12 am Subject: Brendan Pollard ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Miguel Angel Esteban' Does someone knows what a famous TD seller named Brendan Pollard is doing actualyyy. He seems to be completly disapeard. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7402 Re: Brendan Pollard Hermes Guzman Fri 10/3/1997 3 KB 7423 Re: Brendan Pollard Klaus Beschorner Sat 10/4/1997 3 KB 7431 Re: Brendan Pollard Hermes Guzman Sat 10/4/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 9:24 am Subject: TD Birthday ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Hilmar Kraft >> But as September 29th 1967 seems to be regarded >> as the official day that Tangerine Dream was founded, > >By whom ? Where have you seen this info. ? Grunt, the last time I saw it mentioned was in the latest 'Dream Collector' edition, but I'm fairly sure it is also on the Webpage (could be wrong, though). Dream Collector put up a very nice photo of a very early lineup (the first?) including a very young Edgar... Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 11:17 am Subject: Re : Re: MPEG3 Sound Files - House of the Rising Sun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Christian von Toerne >The file I dowloaded is 'not a valid zip archive'. > >What's the matter? > >filename: hotrstd.zip Worked alright for me on a Macintosh. Chris From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 1:07 pm Subject: D: Digital Gothic (Long Post) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 A quick review of this book which I picked up last week. I've only read half of it so far, but I think that's sufficient to enable me to make some points. For those who have not yet seen or bought this book, it may be worth first discussing the layout : Paul Stump's book covers the periods from 1965 to 1996, Goblin's Club being the last album I've seen mentioned. He splits this 31 year period into 4 'Phases' (hmmm, now where did he get that term?) : 1965 to 1973, 1974 to 1979, 1980 to 1990 and 1991 to 1996. Within each 'phase' there are two sections : one concerned with the 'biography' of the band and its members, and the second dealing more with the discography itself. There is, obviously, some overlap between the section within each phase, and indeed between phases when comparisons between records are made. The rear of the book, after the main text, provides the 'discography' itself : a list of all TD albums, singles, compilations and major items contributed to - presented in various levels of detail. The albums are given with some indication of different types of format (CD, LP, MC), and occassionally with country details, but Stump admits that he did not intend to cover all variations of each item. Following on from the group discography is a less detailed (though comprehensive at first sight) discography for band members old and new - Froese, Franke, Schulze, Schnitzler, etc. The text itself starts by trying to put TD's music into context, and thus spends a number of pages discussing lots of people and events I've never heard of, right from 1895. Although I skipped most of this, there was no mention of TD that I could see - rather, this appeared to be a potted history of electronic music. Stump admits straight-off that this is a critical discography, and so it does come with heavy doses of his opinion. Froese's Ages is trashed, as is White Eagle (I can give some very entertaining quotes from the passage regarding Ages if anyone is interested - and Mr. Stump's copyright lawyers aren't looking), and he is certainly a Baumann-era fan rather than Schmoelling or Haslinger. Stump even frowns upon Force Majeure! Whilst I am always tolerant of opinions in this list, I do, of course, have to live with these comments. They are, after all, his opinions, and I did buy 'his' book, so must accept them if not agree with them. However, there are a couple of items which are presented in different light than we discuss here : 'Convention of the 42' was, according to Stump, title track to Tatort. I always thought it was White Eagle. Comments? Another gripe is that it appears that Stump has nothing new to bring to the party - perhaps an odd titbit here and there which I wasn't aware of, but none of the 'big' questions are answered. Why did Franke leave? Indeed, most of the departures from the band are covered with little depth, implying to me, at least, that Stump is merely retelling what is common knowledge and rumour rather than getting the facts from the horses' mouths. My final gripe is Stump's style of writing - something else which is more my problem than his. I find it very difficult to absorb a book when I have to keep reaching for the dictionary every second word. Perhaps this is why I have never been able to express what I feel about TD's music - the words required are obscure and perhaps don't even exist. Mr. Stump appears to have found quite a few obscure ones, as well as making up some of his own. If you've made it all the way through this, I suppose you'll have quite a negative impression of the book. Whilst it does have the various 'faults' (some of which are subjective on my part), it does appear to have a useful discography and this is the only written information I have on my favourite band, other than the inlays and books from various records and box sets. In general, I suppose that I am disappointed that this only appears to be a representation of facts or rumours already known on this list. If I had not been on this list, I dare say much of this would have excited me (if I hadn't been on this list I wouldn't have heard of the book). Not having any of the other books I hear mention of (Voices in the Dunes, Mysterious Semblance, etc.) I cannot compare, and would hesitate to recommend this to hard core fans since they are likely to know most of what is in here. However, if you cannot find any other book, this book does gather many facts together in one source, and so is of use. There are lots of others who have had this book for longer than me, but I've seen few reviews of the work itself. Have you got other (or contradictory) comments to make, guys? ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828182 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 12:27 pm Subject: RE: I'll be out of touch for a bit ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Where the heck did she come from? :) ><< Really-From: 'Kimberly M. Zemo' Dunno, must be a Deadhead: ^^^^^^^^^^ > > Hey everyone, > I'll be out of touch for a little while starting tomorrow, I'm > getting married this sat. and will be honeymooning the following week :) Congratulations! > Of course, I've arranged with the DJ to play some TD at the reception > during the cocktail hour & dinner...can't let all those people get away > without exposing them to some TD. Who knows, maybe I'll make a few more > converts :) >> Just make sure you've collected the wedding presents _first_, before the music comes on. :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 12:54 pm Subject: Re: TD in German TV ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner) > > Hi, > > sorry if this might be late for some of you, but I only just saw > it. Michelangelo Antonioni's 'Identifikation einer Frau' (Identificazione > di una donna / Identification of a woman) Italy/France 1982, > is on German ZDF TV tonight (tomorrow?) Tue, 30 Sept, 0:30-2:25h, > presumably in a german dubbed version. > Thanks Klaus, I recorded it. > Original Soundtrack Music by TD , ZDF runs no commercials at this time > of the night and can be viewed europe-wide from the Astra sattelites. The titles at the begining said: Original Music by Michel Foxx And indeed the core music in this film wasn't TD. They had some TD tohugh. On the final credits said Aditional music Ricochet and Tangram by Tangerine Dream. They used some nice sequences in a sex scene and the final scene with that red sun is nice, although brief. Thanks a lot. --- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7397 Re: TD in German TV Michael Fox Thu 10/2/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 12:59 pm Subject: Re: Re : Re: MPEG3 Sound Files - House of the Rising Sun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' t------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Christian von Toerne > > >The file I dowloaded is 'not a valid zip archive'. > > > >What's the matter? > > > >filename: hotrstd.zip > > Worked alright for me on a Macintosh. > > Chris Maybe, he didn't downloaded it completely because of a transmission error or something like that. --F From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 12:54 pm Subject: Shepard bush/tree ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Howdy guys, I assume that the tree is a way to pass along new 'rare' recordings? From what I gather , poor Mark has an important part in all this? Please ex[lain to us 'newbies' if possible, I work on the computer at work fromm time to time so I'm quite new to all this. By the way I thimk it's great someones playing TD at their wedding.EXPOSE the masses!!! Thanks to the guys I've gotten stuff e on the TD site, If anyone has reservations about ordering things from anyone here, just read the site and you'll find out who the reel(pun intended) fans are. As fer the pablo cd, I cant wait to get it!! I still dont have the Tournado cd yet so I'm a little behind in my TD purchases ....keep getting sidetracked by my new DVD player.....maybe TD wil release some stuff on there. BY the by does anyone know how to get a copy of the film....THE PARK IS MINE or DEAD SOLID PERFECT on tape or laser? If someone has any TD movies they wanna sell or copy..I'm asking now. Thanks and HAPPY B DAY TD.! Chrisa.k.a. BRUNO Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7426 Re: Shepard bush/tree Francisco Salgado C. Sat 10/4/1997 4 KB 7432 Re: Shepard bush/tree KRAUSENECKS Sat 10/4/1997 3 KB 7493 Re: Shepard bush/tree Plumer, Scott Mon 10/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 1:01 pm Subject: What is NGC891? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ian Shillingford Message text written by INTERNET:tadream@c... >To sum it up: ngc 891 is a nice peace, worthful enough to hold the CD,< Just thought I'd use some free time to look-up NGC891 in the star charts (well, star CDROM) and discovered.... Nothing special. A dim spiral galaxy in Andromeda (NOT the famous Andromeda galaxy!). Not even one of the liquid Pleiades! Maybe they chose a number at random. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7389 Re: What is NGC891? Plumer, Scott Thu 10/2/1997 3 KB 7391 Re: What is NGC891? Jim Moore Thu 10/2/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 1:01 pm Subject: New original (was same old stuff) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ian Shillingford Message text written by INTERNET:tadream@c... >I have to agree with this. TD is my all time favorite group. I've been a fan for 22 years but still...what can you continue to say thaat hasn't been said many, many times before?< Well, I've been on the list for only a few months, so I haven't heard things many, many times before. There'll be people joining this list after me, too. If new members are welcome then its a sure thing that questions will be repeated and subjects resurrected - and we appreciate input from the 'elders' of the list, even if you have said it before. (who put that soapbox under me?) Now.... to serious TD content... The old lady outside The Keep can't be Chris; he had a thicker moustache. Actually, I imagine the Professor and the Priest as Edgar and Chris - 'No, my friend. Electronic music should be ambient and ethereal.' 'Ha! I am right - it should be rock-oriented. Admit it: you were wrong and I was right!' ...etc. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 1:01 pm Subject: Le Parc est mon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ian Shillingford Message text written by INTERNET:tadream@c... >I quite like your selection of 'hits', but a few obvious picks are omitted, most notably 'Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe', the only real 'hit' they band has had anywhere. I would also suggest Chris Franke's 'Chimes and Chains', Logos 'Blue Part', the Theme from Streethawk, 'Tiergarten', 'Cottage' (or something from Legend), 'Horns of Doom', 'A Time For Heroes (it's cheesy, but so is 'Love of Mine'), 'Fort Worth Runway One', and 'Quasar'< I should think so! Imagine considering Le Parc and not landing on Tiergarten That and Yellowstone Park are my faves of that album. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 1:14 pm Subject: Re: White Out 'detail' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) >>Yes, there was only one pressing - from Germany. >Uh, I also got the German pressing from, ummmm, Scotland... > >Does anyone have a translation of the German text contained in the >liner, or was the non-German version also created with liner notes in >German? A translation of the German text would be nice. Please provide more information on your 'non-German' release from Scotland. Is this where you bought it, or is it actually made in Scotland? What distinguishes it from the German release? >The only thing that I translated was that JS willingly >participated in the bootleg Antarkis (controversy...OK the liner notes >only mention Antarkis with a bunch of German stuff around it). I don't know German, but I don't think Johannes would dedicate 4 pages talking about a TD bootleg on his solo album :-) Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7399 Re: White Out 'detail' Mike Livsey Fri 10/3/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 2:23 pm Subject: Re: sub F***, but Collecting TD is Hell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Hi Sean If you want the Jim and Pablo CDs, Try e-mailing Annemarie Hill at Voiceprint. I think they also have a toll-free US phone number for orders as well and a fax number (so you can fax your credit card info if need be) but I don't have that info in front of me, I'm sure Annemarie could give it to you... they take visa, MC, amex and cash... good luck lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 3:44 pm Subject: RE: What is NGC891? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Just thought I'd use some free time to look-up NGC891 in the star charts >(well, star CDROM) and discovered.... >Nothing special. A dim spiral galaxy in Andromeda (NOT the famous Andromeda >galaxy!).Not even one of the liquid Pleiades! >Maybe they chose a number at random. Or maybe it's something else entirely. Maybe it's part of a secret code running through Aqua that points the way to special prize. . Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 5:13 pm Subject: Oasis and Canyon Dreams, new release information ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves Yo Collectors! Just got off the phone with Miramar and here is the scoop on the latest information. 1. Oasis will be released in the U.S. on October 28th. There is one new song called 'Chia Maroon' that is not on the TDI version. The cover art has been changed too. 2. Oasis will go to Laserdisc via Image. Possibly a DVD ? 3. Canyon Dreams is going to DVD but there is no release date yet. Ain't it expensive keeping up with the Tangs. CHEERS...Matt Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7392 Re: Oasis and Canyon Dreams, new release informat Jim Moore Thu 10/2/1997 3 KB 7394 Re: Oasis and Canyon Dreams, new release informat Vincent Goudreault Thu 10/2/1997 4 KB 7420 Re: Oasis and Canyon Dreams, new release informat Michael Fox Fri 10/3/1997 3 KB 7404 Re: Oasis and Canyon Dreams, new release informat Doug Pearson Fri 10/3/1997 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 5:41 pm Subject: Re: What is NGC891? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim Moore' > Or maybe it's something else entirely. Maybe it's part of a > secret code running through Aqua that points the way to special prize. . > > Scott Hey! Considering the titles of the Macula Transfer songs, that almost makes sense... Samoan Islands, here I come! - jim 'I object to all this sex on the television... I mean, I keep falling off!' - Graham Chapman 'jimbo@v...' is James F. Moore -- Atlanta, Georgia, USA Visit my website @ http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 5:48 pm Subject: Re: Oasis and Canyon Dreams, new release information ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim Moore' Visit my website @ http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo > Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves > 1. Oasis will be released in the U.S. on October 28th. There is one new song > called 'Chia Maroon' that is not on the TDI version. Well, that's one more song for my compilation set... > 2. Oasis will go to Laserdisc via Image. Possibly a DVD ? > 3. Canyon Dreams is going to DVD but there is no release date yet. I don't want a full blown thread to come out of this (maybe there's a newsgroup that's hashed this out already), but am I wrong in wanting to give DVD a few more months before starting to invest in the technology? Although I see and hear about it in a lot of places, will DVD be THE STANDARD for audio and video, or will it become more of a niche market item (like DAT, MD, and DCC -- or even LD to a degree)? - jim 'I object to all this sex on the television... I mean, I keep falling off!' - Graham Chapman 'jimbo@v...' is James F. Moore -- Atlanta, Georgia, USA From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 6:31 pm Subject: Re: Happy Birthday TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Really-From: Grant Middleton > > > Really-From: Hilmar Kraft > > > > > > > !!! HAPPY 30th BIRTHDAY TD !!! > > Cooooolllll. I was born on the 22nd September 1967, > exactly one week before. I can claim seniority over > TD ! :-) > > Grunt > > PS, Please don't congratulate /me/ on reaching the big > 3-0. Wy not ? It takes a 30 year effort to reach it, doesn't it ? So congratulations Grunt, You are almost a baby. the 4th of september I reached 42. ( and up!!!. Till my strength allows me to continue on) Anyway, Age is an state of the mind. I continue to be the very same kid as ever, only playing with another kind of toys. --->Franccisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 6:18 pm Subject: Re: Oasis and Canyon Dreams, new release information ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Oct 2, 5:13pm, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: Oasis and Canyon Dreams, new release information > Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves > > > Yo Collectors! > > Just got off the phone with Miramar and here is the scoop on the latest > information. > > 1. Oasis will be released in the U.S. on October 28th. There is one new song > called 'Chia Maroon' that is not on the TDI version. The cover art has been > changed too. > > 2. Oasis will go to Laserdisc via Image. Possibly a DVD ? Groovy! Have you got an e-mail address for Miramar??? > > 3. Canyon Dreams is going to DVD but there is no release date yet. > > Ain't it expensive keeping up with the Tangs. Yeah, but it's worth it... Imagine for a second if you were that fanatic about, say, Milli Vanilli (or whatever the spelling was). Could you then live with yourself??? ;-) > > CHEERS...Matt > >-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7420 Re: Oasis and Canyon Dreams, new release informat Michael Fox Fri 10/3/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 1:16 pm Subject: No TD Star Wars Prequel update ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox For those interested: >XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT FLASH XXXXX THU OCT 02 1997 01:17:07 PDT XXXXX > > >STAR WARS STAYS AT FOX? > >HOLLYWOOD -- There are new indications that George Lucas is keeping his STAR >WARS franchise at 20TH CENTURY FOX. Studios sources, while not able to >confirm that a deal is in place, over the past few weeks have become >convinced that Lucas is staying put. There is new talk on the lot that the >STAR WARS-EPISODE I trailer has already been penciled in to be shown in >front of X-FILES THE MOVIE next year in theaters. And according to one >studio source, the new STAR WARS distribution deal could eventually give >Lucas the first $1 billion payday for a movie in history. > >'If the new STAR WARS prequel sells as many tickets as the original film >did, and with a Lucas-friendly deal in place here, he could set money >records that may never be seen again,' one FOX executive tells the DRUDGE >REPORT. > >LUCASFILM is completely financing the new STAR WARS; George Lucas is >writing, producing and directing. > >The first phase of Episode I's production wrapped over the weekend at >England's Leavesden Studios. Over the past few months the movie's cast and >crew have traveled from the Leavesden stages to film on locations in Italy >and North Africa. To keep plot mystery, misleading scenes have reportedly >been filmed. Lucas also reportedly spread around multiple versions of the >shooting script -- with alternative names and scenes, etc. According to >production notes, the crew will re-assemble early next year for phase II of >shooting. Release is set for Summer '99. > >LUCASFILM has set up a website tease with news from the set, production >notes and pictures, casting updates and a discussion of the new STAR WARS >city of Coruscant. http://www.starwars.com/episode-i > > X X X X X > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 1:18 pm Subject: Re: D:Aqua ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox Erik wrote: >No clue about panorphelia. An all-encompassing love of Orpheus? Maybe not. :) > >-Erik An obsession with cooking utensils? Or maybe something about panoramas. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 1:18 pm Subject: Re: TD in German TV ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox >The titles at the begining said: Original Music by Michel Foxx >And indeed the core music in this film wasn't TD. Ahha! My evil twin is at it again! Cloned at birth! I always knew it! Michael Fox From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 8:56 pm Subject: Pinnacles & Zoning found in Toronto ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve Hinksman Hi all, Presumably this interesting only to those who live in the Toronto area, and even then maybe not those... but I found Pinnacles at Tower Records downtown for $21 - I bought the last copy, but either Sam's or HMV had a copy for $22. I also bought Zoning at HMV for $30 - they had plenty of copies. Sam's & HMV had a good selection of TD - one had Three OClock High for $22, and Catch Me if You Can for $37. Neither soundtrack interests me, though I would have bought CMIYC if it was more reasonable. I must say that Pinnacles sounds like a bunch of songs meant for Hyperborea. Play the CDs one after another, and it's a double album! I like Hyperborea, so it's no surprise I like Pinnacles. Now if I could just find _Ages_ and Dream Roots Box Set, I'd be reasonably happy. I regret not snapping up Quinoa when it was available from Voiceprint, but I balked at the 15 or 16 Pounds price - converts to $30, plus shipping. (Yeah, I know I just spent $30 + tax on Zoning). Oh well, someone else got the copy I could have bought, so it wasn't like it was wasted. Oh yeah, almost forgot: I received Tournado, Oasis CD, Dream Mixes 2CD, and World Tour Single (Das Madchen... & Tournado sounds great, hope I can see a show during the next NA tour (1998?); Oasis sounds like what I expected - a Canyon Dreams type of atmosphere, but with different sounds & songs; Dream Mixes is cool - the remixes have enough of the original song to recognize it, but a good dance beat/house groove/whatever as well; and the Das Madchen single is number 41 (with an asterisk [*] printed beside it in the black - what does this mean? Second pressing?). All the best, Steve Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7400 Re: Pinnacles & Zoning found in Toronto enb Thu 10/2/1997 5 KB 7424 House of the Rising Sun, Nomad, The Keep, Orange, feldon@p... Fri 10/3/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 4:15 am Subject: Re: White Out 'detail' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:14:41 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Please provide more information on your 'non-German' release from Scotland. >Is this where you bought it, or is it actually made in Scotland? What >distinguishes it from the German release? It's just the German Polydor release, but C&D Disc Services put a made in Scotland sticker on the case for some reason. > >>The only thing that I translated was that JS willingly >>participated in the bootleg Antarkis (controversy...OK the liner notes >>only mention Antarkis with a bunch of German stuff around it). > >I don't know German, but I don't think Johannes would dedicate 4 pages >talking about a TD bootleg on his solo album :-) > >Vic > You mean 'Zwangslaufigkeit: ein Konzeptalbum, die Antarkis' doesn't translate to 'I created the TD bootleg, Antarkis'? So much for my German. -- Mike Livsey mlivsey@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Oct 2, 1997 9:54 pm Subject: Re: Pinnacles & Zoning found in Toronto ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: enb tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Steve Hinksman > > Hi all, > > Presumably this interesting only to those who live > in the Toronto area, and even then maybe not those... > but I found Pinnacles at Tower Records downtown for > $21 - I bought the last copy, but either Sam's or > HMV had a copy for $22. I also bought Zoning at HMV > for $30 - they had plenty of copies. Sam's & HMV had > a good selection of TD - one had Three OClock High for > $22, and Catch Me if You Can for $37. Neither soundtrack > interests me, though I would have bought CMIYC if it > was more reasonable. > > I must say that Pinnacles sounds like a bunch of > songs meant for Hyperborea. Play the CDs one after > another, and it's a double album! I like Hyperborea, > so it's no surprise I like Pinnacles. > > Now if I could just find _Ages_ and Dream Roots Box Set, > I'd be reasonably happy. I regret not snapping up Quinoa > when it was available from Voiceprint, but I balked at the > 15 or 16 Pounds price - converts to $30, plus shipping. > (Yeah, I know I just spent $30 + tax on Zoning). Oh well, > someone else got the copy I could have bought, so it > wasn't like it was wasted. > > Oh yeah, almost forgot: I received Tournado, Oasis CD, > Dream Mixes 2CD, and World Tour Single (Das Madchen... & > Tournado sounds great, hope I can see a show during the > next NA tour (1998?); Oasis sounds like what I > expected - a Canyon Dreams type of atmosphere, but with > different sounds & songs; Dream Mixes is cool - the > remixes have enough of the original song to recognize > it, but a good dance beat/house groove/whatever as > well; and the Das Madchen single is number 41 (with an > asterisk [*] printed beside it in the black - what does > this mean? Second pressing?). > > All the best, > > Steve Steve, How is Tournado? I haven't found it here yet. All the stores are slow recieving thier shipments here in San Francisco. I did but Oasis, and your right it does sound a bit like Canyon Dreams. I like it though. Neil From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Hypnotic: The Good & Bad News ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman THE GOOD NEWS: A guy named 'Bryan' from Hypnotic called me yesterday while I was at the gym. He left a message for me to call him. THE BAD NEWS: When I called him, it turns out that all he really wanted to do was chat because he's 'a fan of the band.' It seems he likes TD up through EXIT. He was interested in getting ahold of the Ones singles and the 'Ultima Thule' singles, so I told him which boots they're on, and how the Ones tracks are even on a legit CD. [He said he likes STUNTMAN but there was a silence when I mentioned EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE as being the second-most imitated TD-related album. He'd never heard of it. I told him that since he doesn't like post-1981 TD, the albums to check out would be EPSILON and the UK vers. of THE DREAM MIXES. He asked about 'a new live album out on Voiceprint' and I explained that it was on TDI, being sold via Voiceprint. I also told him that this live album--TOURNADO--was a turkey since it was all cover tunes. I said OASIS was better.] As for the compilation idea, he said that there were too many record labels involved. I told him that three labels (Virgin, Sequel, Miramar) make up about 75% of it, with Varese and Silva Screen making up much of the rest, so that there are really only 5 labels of any real significance to deal with. SOME MORE GOOD NEWS: Well, there's still Rising Star Records. ;) (They're the ones who didn't issue a tribute album, but a compilation album comprised entirely of other labels' artists.) -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Brendan Pollard ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Hello Miguel- >Really-From: 'Miguel Angel Esteban' >Does someone knows what a famous TD seller named Brendan Pollard is >doing actualyyy. He seems to be completly disapeard. And for good reason. Lets just say that he has 'retired' from the TD scene for a number of reasons. I plan on visiting him while in Lodon for the TD concert in Nov. If he still owes you something, you should write him at the same address you should have. Keep in mind that it will take a while to hear back... goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 12:29 am Subject: Chris Franke on Disney Channel tonight! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Shipley If you are not a Baptist that is boycotting Disney, you might want to tune in to the Disney Channel this evening at 11:45. There is this new movie/series that is on this evening called 'Hypernauts' (kind of a Power Rangers / Mech Warrior-ish series) that Chris Franke did the score for. My sons had it on and I noticed that the track was rather techno in nature (think Klemania), at least the part that I heard. Only at the very end did I see that Franke was responsible for the score. Check it out and see what you think... NP: Redshift / Redshift Craig Shipley craigs@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7405 Re: Chris Franke on Disney Channel tonight! PENFOLD Fri 10/3/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 1:46 am Subject: Re: Oasis and Canyon Dreams, new release information ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Doug Pearson Speaking of Miramar... A couple of days ago I got a small laser disc catalog from Ken Crane's Laserdisc and in it was an ad for a disc entitled 'National Parks'. The text of the add went like this... All the beauty and breathtaking spendor of America's national parks is captured here for your enjoyment. With musical accompaniment by ***Tangerine Dream*** (the ***'s are mine) and Lanz & Speer, National Parks takes you on a tour of the Grand Canyon, Rainier National Park, Yellowstone, Joshua Tree, Carlsbad Caverns, and more. A feast of sight and sound showcasing our most prized national treasures. FYI, -dep- tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves > > Yo Collectors! > > Just got off the phone with Miramar and here is the scoop on the latest > information. > > 1. Oasis will be released in the U.S. on October 28th. There is one new song > called 'Chia Maroon' that is not on the TDI version. The cover art has been > changed too. > > 2. Oasis will go to Laserdisc via Image. Possibly a DVD ? > > 3. Canyon Dreams is going to DVD but there is no release date yet. > > Ain't it expensive keeping up with the Tangs. > > CHEERS...Matt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 2:06 am Subject: Re: Chris Franke on Disney Channel tonight! At 20:29 199710.02 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Craig Shipley the Disney Channel this evening at 11:45. There is this new movie/series that is on this evening called 'Hypernauts' (kind of a Power Rangers / Mech Warrior- I saw the first episode a year or two back. IMNSHO, the show *sucks*. It ranks up there with the Purple Evil Monster that appears on PBS and sucks out young childrens' brains. just my $0.02 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road. /^\ | pete | penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 4:30 am Subject: Schmoelling's 'White Out' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: spidey Hi Vic, I also have the 'printed spine' version of White Out. Polydor 843 395-2 1990 Oscar Dean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 7:31 am Subject: What is NGC891? and other codes... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Hi, dreamers of the lost meaning! Macula transfer contains its own mysteries: what are: os452, af765, pa701, quantas 611 and if810? if810 could look like a program line but in waht kind of language? has anyboby some ideas upon theses? fred Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7408 Re: What is NGC891? and other codes... Kev Holmes Fri 10/3/1997 4 KB 7409 Re: What is NGC891? and other codes... Andy Bloyce Fri 10/3/1997 3 KB 7410 Re: What is NGC891? and other codes... Andy Bloyce Fri 10/3/1997 4 KB 7412 Re: What is NGC891? and other codes... Lars R. Jones Fri 10/3/1997 4 KB 7430 Re: What is NGC891? and other codes... Hermes Guzman Sat 10/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 8:16 am Subject: Re: What is NGC891? and other codes... tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to > majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > Really-From: FredYargui@a... > > Hi, dreamers of the lost meaning! > > Macula transfer contains its own mysteries: > > what are: os452, af765, pa701, quantas 611 and if810? > > if810 could look like a program line but in waht kind of language? Easy. They're flight codes, the hint is 'Qantas' [Which dosen't have a 'u' because it's an acronym for Queensland and Northern Territories Air Service (or something close)]. If I remember rightly, Edgar composed the pieces whilst on those flights... Cheers, Kev VCard Holmes Kev < kev.holmes@b...> Lexington Software Associates 5, Tavistock Road Fleet Hampshire GU13 8EH UK Work: +44 385 307337 Home: +44 1252 812035 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 8:24 am Subject: Re: What is NGC891? and other codes... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@c...> >Really-From: FredYargui@a... >Hi, dreamers of the lost meaning! >Macula transfer contains its own mysteries: >what are: os452, af765, pa701, quantas 611 and if810? >if810 could look like a program line but in waht kind of language? >has anyboby some ideas upon theses? >fred Flight numbers I believe. The idea was that the music was composed whilst travelling. Macula? Something to do with eyes? Etymologists please advise. Andy From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 11:55 am Subject: RE: What is NGC891? and other codes... Hello fellow dreamers. I'm new here I read somewhere that these refer to flight numbers on trips that Edgar has taken. Keep up the work!! POULTONL@N... From: 'tadream@c...' Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 8:24 am Subject: Re: What is NGC891? and other codes... To: 'tadream@c...' ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@c...> >Really-From: FredYargui@a... >Hi, dreamers of the lost meaning! >Macula transfer contains its own mysteries: >what are: os452, af765, pa701, quantas 611 and if810? >if810 could look like a program line but in waht kind of language? >has anyboby some ideas upon theses? >fred Flight numbers I believe. The idea was that the music was composed whilst travelling. Macula? Something to do with eyes? Etymologists please advise. Andy _____________________________________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments have been virus scanned at the Norton Rose gateway and found to be free of all known viruses. _____________________________________________________________ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 12:10 pm Subject: Castle Communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I just read in the latest issue of Progression magazine that Castle Comm. filed for bankruptcy. Is that true? How is TD affected? Scott E. Plumer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7415 Re: Castle Communications Gabe Yedid Fri 10/3/1997 3 KB 7428 Re: Castle Communications David Datta Sat 10/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 12:38 pm Subject: Re: What is NGC891? and other codes... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Andy B. wrote: >Macula? Something to do with eyes? Etymologists please advise. 'Macula' is a latin word (macula, -ae) meaning 'a spot, stain, blemish, fault, defect, stigma,' etc. thus the 'immaculate conception' is without stain, blemish, fault, sin, etc... (this is just an example so don't freak if you're an atheist, etc....) 'Macula' comes into English as 'blotch' or 'spot,' usually in reference to (anatomical) tissue; there is a 'macula lutea' in the retina that is the area of maximum visual acuity. Turning to pure speculation, I might interpret the title as dealing with one of a few things: either a self-referential comment (in the context of an airline flight as a transfer) in which Edgar is the 'macula' being transferred (or the music itself as a mental 'spot') -- or as referring to a transfer of some sort of locus acuity (probably to the aural or intellectual/mental sphere). Of course 'macula' could be a reference to musical notation (see the examples in the early Ohr albums...) in which the 'spot' is transferred from the mind to the page and to the instruments and recordable media. Heck, it might even be some sort of reference to 'cleaning' or 'cleansing' in which a blemish is transferred (eg removed) from its original host object/person... In this case maybe an abstract concept that leads to the creation of the music is the spot and that the transfer is a personal act of cleansing: the creative process thus washing the blemish from the intellect. I know I feel this way after writing a long paper... Of course it could be any or none of these ;-) lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 1:59 pm Subject: Planetary Traveler is Now Avalible! (fwd) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Paul Haslinger..... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:18:26 +0900 From: 'William O. Davis' To: ''mjean@s...'' Subject: Planetary Traveler is Now Avalible! Planetary Traveler is now available on video for only $19.98! (www.thirdplanet-inc.com) You asked us to notify you when Planetary Traveler was available and we are now proud to announce that the first full length program ever to be produced on desk-top computers has been completed and is available to order. After viewing Planetary Traveler this is what Billboard Magazine had to say ... 'A feature production that's of the 21st century .... The fluid landscapes demonstrate state - of-the -art digital computer effects that will mesmerize ...' 'Your in for an out-of-this-world experience with Planetary Traveler.' - Guy Kawasaki, Chief Evangelist, Apple Computers. See this review about Planetary Traveler in Wired Magazine http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/5201.html Or check out what Apple had to say. http://product.info.apple.com/pr/press.releases/1997/q4/970723.pr.rel.planets.ht\ ml Please visit our web site for more information including slide shows, more press releases, and on-line ordering! If you order before December 31, 1997, shipping is free for all US orders that are place using our secure web site or by fax only. You may also call our toll free order line at (800)-771-9080. Planetary Traveler is also available at the following stores: * Nature Company Natural Wonders Sun Coast Motion Picture Company Media Play Tower Video (not records) Best Buy Borders West Coast Video * (Some stores may not have Planetary Traveler in stock, so please call first.) Thank you for patience and your interest. Planetary Traveler is definitely one trip you will not want to miss! Sincerely, Bill Davis Our web site: www.thirdplanet-inc.com My e-mail: billdavis@t... Toll Free Order Number (800) 771-9080 (Please call between 9am & 5pm PST) P.S. Please pass this message along to anyone who you think would be interested! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7416 Re: Planetary Traveler is Now Avalible! (fwd) Gabe Yedid Fri 10/3/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 2:13 pm Subject: Jim and Pablo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Where is this info on the TD page??? I got the CD yesterday...I saw the other titles listed in the booklet...Now I guess I know that TD did ALL of them... Will the entire series be available in English at some point? I agree with Steve, that it would be nice to have the music by itself (like Rumpel....) Perhaps they will in the future.... RE: OASIS Another new song!?! I haven't even received my first version yet (though I have the video)! MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7418 Re: Jim and Pablo Sean Montgomery Fri 10/3/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 2:32 pm Subject: Re: Castle Communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > I just read in the latest issue of Progression magazine that Castle > Comm. filed for bankruptcy. Is that true? How is TD affected? > > Scott E. Plumer Perhaps this explains why TD has seemingly returned to Miramar? I could understand Miramar picking up Oasis to release on video, but if they are going to release the soundtrack, WITH a new track on it (is this 'Chia Maroon' an addition, or a replacement for 'Hopi Mesa Heart'), this implies some kind of deal between TD and Miramar, IMO. Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 2:52 pm Subject: Re: Planetary Traveler is Now Avalible! (fwd) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid So what label will the soundtrack be released on? Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 3:31 pm Subject: Re: How is Tournado (was: Pinnacles and Zoning in TO) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve Hinksman enb asked: >How is Tournado? I like it. But then, I like the last few albums that the tracks are from - GC, ToTT, ToB, Oasis, and I even like Rockoon (but I'm a guitarist, so I have a natural bias, I guess). >I haven't found it here yet. All the stores are slow recieving thier >shipments here in San Francisco. I ordered direct from Voiceprint - about the same price, and I don't have to scrounge around too much to find them (I did not see Tournado, Dream Mixes 2CD, Oasis, or Maedchen on the Stairs anywhere when I was downtown, so I'd still be looking). >I did buy Oasis, and your right it does sound a bit like Canyon Dreams. >I like it though. I love Canyon Dreams, so I can't help but like Oasis. I'll probably never buy any Jim & Pablo CDs - I guess I'm not that much of a fanatic. I'd rather spend some cash on new (to me) artists, like I did recently with Paul Nagle's CDs, which are really good. Hey Paul, I saw a live CD by you at (a forgotten name) website, but it's not at the AMP website. What's the deal? ALl the best, Steve Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7421 Re: How is Tournado (was: Pinnacles and Zoning in Paul Nagle Sat 10/4/1997 3 KB 7422 Re: How is Tournado (was: Pinnacles and Zoning in Sean Montgomery Fri 10/3/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 3:17 pm Subject: Re: Jim and Pablo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > RE: OASIS Another new song!?! I haven't even received my first version > yet (though I have the video)! I was a little annoyed to hear this too. I finally got my TDI version today...and now I hear that if I'd waited another few weeks I could have had it for half the price, with an extra song, and undoubtably better sleeve art. Arrgh. Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean 'A paranoiac is someone in possession of the facts' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 4:30 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #59 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tdune@a... Hello !! Yesterday my computer locked up while downloading digest # 58, therefore I lost it. I would appreciate if anybody out there could send me a copy of it. In advance I thank you. Marcelo G. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7425 Re: tadream-digest V16 #59 ashok prema Sat 10/4/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 11:46 am Subject: Re: Oasis and Canyon Dreams, new release information ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox Imagine for a second if you were that fanatic >about, >say, Milli Vanilli (or whatever the spelling was). Could you then live with >yourself??? ;-) > Sure as hell would be cheaper than collecting TD! Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 12:21 am Subject: Re: How is Tournado (was: Pinnacles and Zoning in TO) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle On Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:31:17 -0400, tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: >guess I'm not that much of a fanatic. I'd rather >spend some cash on new (to me) artists, like I New artists are cool. Fat Germans have had their day.... >did recently with Paul Nagle's CDs, which are >really good. Hey Paul, I saw a live CD by you >at (a forgotten name) website, but it's not at >the AMP website. What's the deal? SMD have an exclusive deal initially for distribution as the live music was recorded at two gigs, one SMD organised (Jodrell Bank) and the other organised by Midas (Electric Cafe). I don't even have any myself as I gave away the ten I have so far managed to extract from AMP. OK, I have ONE copy left but it's mine, naff cover and all... Dunno how long the SMD exclusive lasts. In fact I don't know much. already swelling in anticipation. Does the prospect of KLEM excite anyone else this way? BIG Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7422 Re: How is Tournado (was: Pinnacles and Zoning in Sean Montgomery Fri 10/3/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 5:26 pm Subject: Re: How is Tournado (was: Pinnacles and Zoning in TO) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > New artists are cool. Fat Germans have had their day.... HERETIC!!! What are you doing on this mailing list? ;-) Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 8:33 pm Subject: Re: Brendan Pollard ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Klaus Beschorner >And for good reason. Lets just say that he has 'retired' from the TD scene >for a number of reasons. I plan on visiting him while in Lodon for the TD >concert in Nov. If he still owes you something, you should write him at the >same address you should have. Keep in mind that it will take a while to >hear back... If you're really going to see him, Hermes, let him know that there are a few baseball bats waiting for him out there. And hell, neither I nor any other of the many reknowned collectors he's screwed will write _again_. We've all done this many times. Next time, the bats will speak :-( -klaus- -- (MRC) Materials Research Corporation............a SONY company Klaus Beschorner......................EMail.:....klaus@i... Drosselweg 6..........................Tel.:.....+49-7033-45683 D-71120 Grafenau......................Mobile:.+49-171-733 8969 Germany...............................Fax.:.....+49-7033-45631 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 8:42 pm Subject: House of the Rising Sun, Nomad, The Keep, Orange, Quixochette ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... Later this afternoon, I will move House of the Rising Sun (played by Tangerine Dream in 1988) to a different server. This move should be transparent. If it still points to the old address, hit 'Reload' on your browser. Also, Nomad (1992 tour, I think), an excerpt from The Keep, and the whole bloody 14 minute encore from the January 31st, 1980 East Berlin concert will be added over the next day or two. Orange (excerpt from Logotypes) will continue to reside on my main server... The fun starts at http://www.phoenix.net/~feldon/orange.html Morgan feldon@p... I have a total of 33 megabytes of webspace now (I'm buying up UNIX shells like no tomorrow) so let's see what TD we can get up there! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 8:47 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #59 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ashok prema At 02:01 03/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:12:09 +0000 >Subject: Brendan Pollard > >- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: 'Miguel Angel Esteban' > >Does someone knows what a famous TD seller named Brendan Pollard is >doing actualyyy. He seems to be completly disapeard. > >------------------------------ > Yes! Owing many people a good deal of money!!! Under the circumstances its probably just as well for him that he's disappeared! Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 9:47 pm Subject: Re: Shepard bush/tree ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Really-From: KRAUSENECKS > > Howdy guys, > I assume that the tree is a way to pass along new 'rare' recordings? >From what I gather , poor Mark has an important part in all this? Please ex[lain to us 'newbies' if possible, A tree is an structured way to distribute a fan tape. There initial tape is called seed. There is a tree administrator who post the offering on the mail lists and specifies the media allowed and the minimum cloning the subscriber has to do. People subscribe and the administrator then, based in geographical data, puts every person inside the tree structure. A simple tree structure could be: Cassette branch. pepito@w... ( head of tree) | | ----juanito@q... ( branch) | | | |---pedrito@???.org ( leave) | |----julito@z... ( leave) | |----tonito@q...@fr ( second branch) Minimum vocabulary ( not in alphabetical order) SEED: tape ( analog , digital) or minidisc recorded by a fan, generously offered to be copied. BRANCH: person inside a tree structure being the 'parent' of several 'sons' LEAVE: Person at the last stage of a branch TRADE: the name of the game. On a tree there is no money involved. Trade is a lot better since both parts get something more valuable than money. But, if someone has no tape to trade blank tapes/CDR's are usually accepted. DEAD: Jerry García and his band is the greatest friend of tapers. ALmost everyone who has traded has at least one live recording of ' The Grateful Dead' Well, hope this helps ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 9:09 pm Subject: Pergamon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Hi! Yi! Yoo! Ha! Did you notice this : in 'pergamon' first release, it is marked : 'live at the palast der republik' in 'pergamon' 20bit remaster, it is : 'live at the palast der repbulik' funny, isnt'it? and not serious, is it? well, I'm making a sleeve for live rheims '74 with photo from box '70-'80 So I checked live tadream albums... But it takes a lot a time whem you're not used to photo techniques, It will take me some days... And in the end, I'll put this with extra photos from lp I promised in a previous mail. Does anyone know if 'aolpress' id a good html maker? I found it at aol's (it's obvious, I know). DreamRegards to all, fred Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 19749 Re: Pergamon Lawry Simm Mon 12/13/1999 1 KB 20666 Pergamon Frank Tue 2/1/2000 1 KB 20691 Re: Pergamon Frank Thu 2/3/2000 3 KB 20698 Re: Pergamon Heiko Heerßen Fri 2/4/2000 1 KB 25312 Pergamon David Foster Sun 12/10/2000 2 KB 25316 Re: Pergamon Matthew Sawyer Sun 12/10/2000 2 KB 25318 Re: Pergamon Feldon Feldon Sun 12/10/2000 3 KB 25325 Re: Pergamon Gustavo Jobim Mon 12/11/2000 2 KB 25330 Re: Pergamon Hermes Guzman Mon 12/11/2000 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Oct 3, 1997 9:09 pm Subject: Re: Castle Communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: David Datta : Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' : : I just read in the latest issue of Progression magazine that Castle : Comm. filed for bankruptcy. Is that true? How is TD affected? Castle Communications USA is owned by a company called 'Alliance Entertainment'. They filed chapter 11 (Reorganization) about 3 months ago. This has no impact on Castle UK which TD is signed to, they are different companies. Alliance also owns Matrix Software, the company at which I am employed. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: aliEn unsubscribe tadream subscribe tadream-digest Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7918 Andy456 Mon 10/20/1997 2 KB 9175 p77ws1 Sun 11/30/1997 6 KB 9181 Re: matt knudson Sun 11/30/1997 3 KB 9184 Re: Michael Richard Sun 11/30/1997 3 KB 9429 ccjj77 Sat 12/13/1997 7 KB 9639 Hermes Guzman Wed 12/24/1997 3 KB 10241 Roy Burgess Sat 1/24/1998 2 KB 10256 jeff stark Sun 1/25/1998 2 KB 10257 jeff stark Sun 1/25/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: What is NGC891? and other codes... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) HI all- >Andy B. wrote: >>Macula? Something to do with eyes? Etymologists please advise. IIRC, it is an astronomical term that has to do with sunspots (ie: the area at which the edge of the spot and the surface meet.) Armin? goozer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: Brendan Pollard ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Hi all- >Really-From: Klaus Beschorner >>And for good reason. Lets just say that he has 'retired' from the TD scene >>for a number of reasons. I plan on visiting him while in Lodon for the TD >>concert in Nov. If he still owes you something, you should write him at the >>same address you should have. Keep in mind that it will take a while to >>hear back... > >If you're really going to see him, Hermes, let him know that there are >a few baseball bats waiting for him out there. And hell, neither I nor >any other of the many reknowned collectors he's screwed will write >_again_. We've all done this many times. Next time, the bats will >speak :-( Erm...are we just a _little_ angry? ; ) I was trying to be _diplomatic_ about this! ; ) I'm one of the 'screwees', which is why I'm going to personally collect my past due orders from him! And maybe I won't even use harsh language...; ) goozer (who will have to leave his bat at customs, I'm sure!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 12:07 am Subject: RE: Shepard bush/tree ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS In a past mailing Francisco Salgado C.' wrote: > > Howdy guys, > I assume that the tree is a way to pass along new 'rare' recordings? A tree is an structured way to distribute a fan tape. There initial tape is called seed. There is a tree administrator who post the offering on the mail lists and specifies the media allowed and the minimum cloning the subscriber has to do. People subscribe and the administrator then, based in geographical data, puts every person inside the treeWell, hope this helps' Yes , thanks so much!!! Ya never stop learning . I'm glad the postings have increased again . Checking the list mailings makes my day go much faster and more enjoyable.By the way, what has happened to JIM AND PABLO information on the TD site? It was there one day and gone the next. My mailings to voiceprint have heeded no answer either.Is this cd now pulled awaiting domestic release? chris From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 12:03 am Subject: taddream digest ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS unsubscribe tadream subscribe tadream-digest From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 1:56 am Subject: Re: I'll be out of touch for a bit ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... Excuse me if I intrude on your private clique discussion, but what you are doing here has really made me angry. I have been reading these pages for several days now and noted your laments about how nobody new is coming in, the mail is dying out, no new discussions, etc. But the minute someone new comes in with a happy announcement of a wedding at which she plans to initiate her guests to TD in hopes of converting some of them to the group, you put her down as a Deadhead. She should be getting congratulations and hopes that she will be successful at spreading the word about TD. She should be getting a welcome to the group message not a put down. I, myself, have jumped in a couple of times, even spoke to one of you personally and have received no answer (exception Dave Brewer, thank you kindly sir). If this is typical of the treatment new people get it's no wonder the pond is stagnant. But you're not going to run me out of here. I love TD music and will stay to get any news I can of them even if I have to suffer through the insults. Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7436 'The Keep' track 7 online feldon@p... Sat 10/4/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 4:57 am Subject: Favorite 3 Strks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Yes, it's a tough job being a TD fan and trying to keep up with everything. The Jim and Pablo CD states that this is a series of releases and implies that this is the first of 10. So I don't think we should see a multiple of 11. 'Der Meteor' is the first of them... I just wanted to say that my top three TD soundtracks are (in order of preference): 1. Sorcerer 2. Thief 3. Wavelength Have a great weekend! Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7450 Re: Favorite 3 Strks AOutland@a... Sat 10/4/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 7:10 am Subject: 'The Keep' track 7 online ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... Tracks 6 & 7 of 'The Keep' soundtrack, along with House of the Rising Sun and Orange from Logotypes are now online as MP3s at my website. Nomad will likely replace Orange (but the web address will stay the same). The Pergamon encore will be added next week, along with any other MP3s I get this weekend in the email. (please, stuff between 1975-1985, if possible) Morgan feldon@p... http://www.phoenix.net/~feldon/orange.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 8:23 am Subject: ngc891 is a galaxy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Kepler Forgive me if I missed an answer to this one, but 'ngc891' is an astronomical name. I believe it is a galaxy, but I'd have to double-check and I don't have the free bandwidth at the moment. Of course, you already have the 'flight numbers' answer for the Macula Transfer titles. Michael Kepler Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7459 Re: ngc891 is a galaxy PNaunton@a... Sun 10/5/1997 2 KB 7473 Re: ngc891 is a galaxy FredYargui@a... Sun 10/5/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 9:25 am Subject: The Press about Tournado ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Hilmar Kraft Hi folks, just found the monthly brochure of my mail-order record store in the mail. It lists all the new releases that came out during the last month, etc. To my amazement, there was a huge half-page ad for Tournado. Under the usual headline of 'The World's leading synth band' there were some press clippings which I found interesting. As this ad was in German and the Press reviews were originally in English I guess they cannot be 100% accurately translated back to their original form. But here they are anyway: LOS ANGELES TIMES: 'Tournado' is probably the best live album by T.D. Those who are truely looking for experiences and adventures in sound when listening to music will love this CD and will happily follow its routing of feelings' USA TODAY: '...this music is energy. The band, originally founded in Berlin, has paved the way for many modern ambient-, trance-, drum & bass- and sonic beatfests- acts. Tangerine Dream at it's best' NEW YORK TIMES: 'Tangerine Dream as a modern music band is still a milestone in all musical and technical aspects of an electronic live performance' LONDON TIMES: 'Tangerine Dream, likely the most important pioneers of international electronic acts, once again display their creative force and their professional stage performance' I found this very interesting. I seem to recall that the press has either slammed or ignored TD for the last decade or so. I don't think all of the papers above would simply print press releases by the record company...on the other hand these statements almost sound too positive to be taken as serious reviews... Comments anyone? PS: Tournado is distributed in Germany via EFA, one of the biggest distributors of independent labels. You can check out their official press release about Tournado in German and English at the following address: http://www.efamedien.com Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7441 Re: The Press about Tournado Marcel Engels Sat 10/4/1997 3 KB 7452 Re: The Press about Tournado Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 10/4/1997 3 KB 7454 'Dream Collector' Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 10/4/1997 4 KB 7456 Nomad (Sheperd's Bush) now online! feldon@p... Sun 10/5/1997 3 KB 7447 Re: The Press about Tournado FredYargui@a... Sat 10/4/1997 3 KB 7449 Re: The Press about Tournado feldon@p... Sat 10/4/1997 6 KB 7451 'Digital Gothic' - my impressions Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 10/4/1997 4 KB 7537 Re: 'Digital Gothic' - my impressions Dennis Nigbur Wed 10/8/1997 3 KB 7568 Re: 'Digital Gothic' - my impressions Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 10/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 12:01 pm Subject: KLEM festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tom Coppens Hi everyone, anyone coming to the KLEM festival next saturday ? Concerts by RMI, Michael Stearns, Ashra and others. Wave ~~~ Tom PS: Ash I suppose you're coming again ? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7440 Re: KLEM festival Marcel Engels Sat 10/4/1997 3 KB 7443 Re: KLEM festival Jens Peschke Sat 10/4/1997 2 KB 7462 Re: KLEM festival K.E Sun 10/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 12:59 pm Subject: Re: KLEM festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >Really-From: Tom Coppens > > >Hi everyone, > >anyone coming to the KLEM festival next saturday ? Concerts by RMI, Michael >Stearns, Ashra and others. I'll definitely be there. You probably can find me at the Alfa Centauri-stand. Hope to see some of you. Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 1:07 pm Subject: Re: The Press about Tournado ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >Really-From: Hilmar Kraft > >LOS ANGELES TIMES: >'Tournado' is probably the best live album by T.D. Those who >are truely looking for experiences and adventures in sound >when listening to music will love this CD and will happily >follow its routing of feelings' >I found this very interesting. I seem to recall that >the press has either slammed or ignored TD for the last >decade or so. I don't think all of the papers >above would simply print press releases by the record >company...on the other hand these statements almost >sound too positive to be taken as serious reviews... > >Comments anyone? Strange pattern here. Most of us like the old TD (pre 86), but the public/press don't. Now they're making 'background-music' (IMO) and the public and press give them more attention and like them more. Maybe TD is paying a lot of money to write positive reviews? Very, very strange. (or are we strange?). Marcel Music-page :http://www.pi.net/~m1engels/fsp.htm Email :fsp@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7452 Re: The Press about Tournado Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 10/4/1997 3 KB 7454 'Dream Collector' Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 10/4/1997 4 KB 7456 Nomad (Sheperd's Bush) now online! feldon@p... Sun 10/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 1:37 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #58 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ian Shillingford Message text written by INTERNET:tadream@c... >Really-From: 'Kimberly M. Zemo' Hey everyone, I'll be out of touch for a little while starting tomorrow, I'm getting married this sat. and will be honeymooning the following week :) Of course, I've arranged with the DJ to play some TD at the reception during the cocktail hour & dinner...can't let all those people get away without exposing them to some TD. Who knows, maybe I'll make a few more converts :) < C'mon guys! Let's see if we can guess/suggest some tracks! How about 'Trap Feeling' from Thief ? Oooh! I know! 'Lifted Veil' from Rockoon! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7448 Re: tadream-digest V16 #58 Antonio Nunes Sat 10/4/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 12:43 pm Subject: Re: KLEM festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: Tom Coppens > > Hi everyone, > > anyone coming to the KLEM festival next saturday ? Concerts by RMI, Michael > Stearns, Ashra and others. I´ll be there. Hope to CU and many others of you :-) Jens PS: Marcel, what´s with you ? (wink, wink!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 1:51 pm Subject: Re : Re: MPEG3 Sound Files - House of the Rising Sun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Hi! Effectively, it works, but only with a right click and not a left click. This is mentionned in the web page, but I didn't read because I was impatient to get the file!! many thanks for this material fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 1:48 pm Subject: welcome ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> OK Dell Welcome to the list; we're always in need of fiesty new blood ;-) even if we don't say so... lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 2:10 pm Subject: Re: The Story With Mark Filipak (IMPORTANT) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dennis Nigbur Just back on the list, and then those bad news about our old mate, Mark. If anyone speaks to him over the next few days, could you please tell him that I feel really sorry and that I hope he'll be back soon - under better circumstances than he has to endure at the moment. All the best, Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 2:24 pm Subject: Re : Re: The Press about Tournado ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Dans un courrier date du 04/10/97 15:14:03 , vous avez ecrit : << Most of us like the old TD (pre 86), but the public/press don't. >> I'm not the press (sure) nor public, since i LOVE many TD albums from 72 to 97 (guess what I do not like!) Of course, I have my favourite tracks on every album, but I do not consider one specific album is bad. Writing this, I keep in mind that some press magazines in France (I forgot the name) said (for instance) that CYCLONE or (more recently) TYGER was albums one could live without. I do not agree at all. So, tell me who I am? I think it is a (snob) cliche saying that 'We' love pre-86-TD. Why? Because CF left? It makes me remember that Genesis or Marillion are two groups (among others) where people said after P.Gabriel (respectively Fish) departure: it sounds no good any longer. I do not agree!! Genesis changed lead vocals again with the new album 'calling all stations'. And I think the album is good progressive rock (as Marillion goes on too), with such long tracks!... Let's say instead: We are lucky these bands continues producing new material, so enjoy tracks that match your way of hearing (sometimes even playing) electronic music. When one album would not contain even one track that fits your mind, then I would be terribly sorry for you. This never happened to me (and with a lot of bands, e-music, fusion, etc.). dream_regards to all - fred Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7449 Re: The Press about Tournado feldon@p... Sat 10/4/1997 6 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 2:28 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #58 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Antonio Nunes tadream mailing list wrote: > C'mon guys! Let's see if we can guess/suggest some tracks! > How about 'Trap Feeling' from Thief ? > Oooh! I know! 'Lifted Veil' from Rockoon! Definitely 'The Kiss' from Catch Me If You Can. 'Widow Maker' from the same soundtrack must be avoided though! Antonio Nunes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 4:11 pm Subject: Re: The Press about Tournado ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 10:24 AM 10/4/97 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: FredYargui@a... ><< Most of us like the old TD (pre 86), but the public/press don't. >> > >I'm not the press (sure) nor public, since i LOVE many TD albums from 72 to >97 (guess what I do not like!) Of course, I have my favourite tracks on every >album, but I do not consider one specific album is bad. I have to disagree. A bad album simply means that much less time and creativity went into it than Tangerine Dream *knows* they can... With the whole soundtrack feast in 1988-1989, they cranked out like 8 albums. How can a band do 8 albums and each have quality? >Writing this, I keep in mind that some press magazines in France (I forgot >the name) said (for instance) that CYCLONE or (more recently) TYGER was >albums one could live without. I do not agree at all. I don't follow the press, but I'm not an all-smiles kinda guy that's gonna like anything Edgar & Co. whip together. I like Cyclone and Tyger. Lily, Optical, Destination Berlin, and Goblin's Club are my 'turkeys.' >So, tell me who I am? I think it is a (snob) cliche saying that 'We' love >pre-86-TD. I think it is a statement about the quality and direction of the music that violently changed between 1985-1987. They started using all the canned samples that come on the keyboards, and not doing anything 'new'... It was all same-sounding. I mean, listen to The House of the Rising Sun on my page, for heaven's sake. Having never heard the original, I'd probably confuse it for half a dozen tracks on Lily, Optical, Destination, or any sountrack between 1987-1990. >Why? Because CF left? It makes me remember that Genesis or Marillion are two >groups (among others) where people said after P.Gabriel (respectively Fish) >departure: it sounds no good any longer. I do not agree!! If the quality of the music goes down when a member leaves, I'm gonna say it. It's not their fault, but their leaving did make a change. Frankly, I think that Schmoelling leaving had almost as much of an impact as Franke. I mean, listen to 1979 TD then listen to 1980 TD. Two entirely different things, if you ask me. >Genesis changed lead vocals again with the new album 'calling all stations'. >And I think the album is good progressive rock (as Marillion goes on too), >with such long tracks!... Haven't heard it. >Let's say instead: We are lucky these bands continues producing new material, >so enjoy tracks that match your way of hearing (sometimes even playing) >electronic music. I'm not going to bend over and take anything that an artist gives me. I've got my own musical tastes. You need to realize that when 1 person says they think an album is bland, who cares. When 100 people say it's bland, maybe we should listen. When 60+% of this list says that it's bland, it's not an illusion. It's plain to see how we perceive that album. >When one album would not contain even one track that fits >your mind, then I would be terribly sorry for you. This never happened to me >(and with a lot of bands, e-music, fusion, etc.). So you just smile and listen to everything? In a way, I envy you. But in a way, I'm glad that I can differentiate between stuff that's got creativity in it and stuff that doesn't. I don't listen to country or bluegrass. But the concert last week told me that Lyle Lovett is one of the greatest musicians out there. Sure there are always one or two tracks that I like on an album, but I can't think of a single nanosecond of the stuff produced between 1980-1984 (except Barbakane..sorry guys) that I don't love. And the stuff between 1974-1979 was for the most part heaven too. Morgan feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 4:37 pm Subject: Re: Favorite 3 Strks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... Good choices all and it is hard to choose but I will say mine are: 1. Thief 2. Flashpoint 3. Firestarter Anybody taking a choice count here? Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 5:52 pm Subject: 'Digital Gothic' - my impressions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I just put down Paul Stump's 'Digital Gothic.' I read it in one sitting. A rare event in my present-day information-filled life. Disclaimer: These are my impressions and opinions. They may mean nothing to anyone else. Paul Stump is a music critic. As such, he does not write accolades. 'Digital Gothic' (DG) is NOT a love feast. It is a critical review. Rather harsh at times, fact-filled, and written by a man who likes, but does not love, TD, the book is a must for anyone (like me) who has not had the opportunity to read any of the previously-released books on TD. It puts TD in a unique and well-researched historical perspective. The descriptions of the dynamics of music and musicians are revealing and very instructive. To me. Perhaps the most recurring theme is the unevenness of TD's creative productions. This is no surprise. Does anyone know a single musician or music group who/that has never blundered. Other than 'Leonora No. 3,' even Beethoven's 'Fidelio' sucks. However, TD seems to be more, shall I say, ruffled than most other groups with similar longevity. The language used by the author is sophisticated, sometimes to a fault. While, personally, I find this VERY appealing, some may find the style and language-usage a turn-off, or at the least, a hindrance. Certainly, DG is not for the faint-hearted, either language- or content-wise. Some will bristle at Paul Stump's particular views. I, for one, will be returning to this book over and over again. Having read this book, and regardless of the accuracy of specific information as to venues, circumstances, or dates, I feel instructed and the better listener for it. However, Scott's little book ('Mysterious Semblance') will still be my guide for organizing my TD collection. Andrew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7537 Re: 'Digital Gothic' - my impressions Dennis Nigbur Wed 10/8/1997 3 KB 7568 Re: 'Digital Gothic' - my impressions Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 10/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 5:57 pm Subject: Re: The Press about Tournado ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 03:07 PM 10/4/1997 +0200, Marcel wrote: [.....] >>I found this very interesting. I seem to recall that >>the press has either slammed or ignored TD for the last >>decade or so. I don't think all of the papers >>above would simply print press releases by the record >>company...on the other hand these statements almost >>sound too positive to be taken as serious reviews... [......] >Now they're making 'background-music' (IMO) and the public and >press give them more attention and like them more. >Maybe TD is paying a lot of money to write positive reviews? >Very, very strange. (or are we strange?). No, Marcel. We are more sophisticated TD listeners. Andrew P.S. I will ask Jens to shake your hand (at KLEMdag) for me too. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7454 'Dream Collector' Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 10/4/1997 4 KB 7456 Nomad (Sheperd's Bush) now online! feldon@p... Sun 10/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Put the Rare Ending of THE KEEP on the Web? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: House of the Rising Sun, Nomad, The Keep, Orange, Quixochette >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 15:42:01 -0500 >Really-From: feldon@p... > >[. . .] I will move House of the Rising Sun [. . .] to a different >server. [. . .] Also, Nomad (1992 tour, I think), an excerpt from >The Keep, and the whole bloody 14 minute encore from the January 31st, >1980 East Berlin concert [. . .] >The fun starts at http://www.phoenix.net/~feldon/orange.html [. . .] >I have a total of 33 megabytes of webspace now (I'm buying up UNIX >shells like no tomorrow) so let's see what TD we can get up there! Yay! Does that mean that we can get that rare closing part of THE KEEP that is only on syndicated TV broadcasts and not on videotape, nor cable nor laserdisk? I have an audio copy of this. The sound is pretty bad, but it's there. The entire movie sequence clocks in at around 12:30. When I asked if anyone could put this piece of music on the web *before*, I was told that it would take up too much storage space, but if you've got space to spare, hey. ;) The only drawback is that I lent the tape it's on to Mark Filipak. If you can put it on the web, send me your snail-mail address in private e-mail and I'll make sure that the tape finds its way to you. See the following re-post for the details about this music: -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + Date: Sat, 02 Nov 96 16:47:58 EST From: Steen Feldman Subject: Timings for the UHF-Only Part of THE KEEP To: Tangerine Dream Digest Folks, The following is a forwarding of a note I sent to Karl Reinsch concerning putting this elusive part of THE KEEP soundtrack in a sound file on the web. The most important part is Karl's comment, 'I just don't want to end up with a phone-call from Edgar's lawyers. I'm tempted to sound out the TD list to see what people think Edgar would do.' Well, here I am, 'sounding out the TD list': -- Steven Feldman & + + + + + + + Date: Tue, 29 Oct 96 15:55:37 EST From: Steven Feldman Subject: Timings for the UHF-Only Part of THE KEEP To: 'Karl W. Reinsch' In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 28 Oct 1996 16:30:10 -0500 (EST) On Mon, 28 Oct 1996 16:30:10 -0500 (EST) [Karl] said: >On Mon, 28 Oct 1996, Steven Feldman wrote: > >> If I send out a tape, I'll be trusting you to return it because >> it will be the original; I mean, why make the sound even worse than >> it already is? > >That's fine. It's on a better-quality tape than I remembered: a Maxell XL2S (i.e. an XLII-S). >> IS MINE and some other Silva Screen release because even though the >> rights had been obtained, Ed hadn't given his permission or somesuch-- >> and THE PARK IS MINE is one of the best TD releases *ever*, IMHO. And >> really, I don't think they care that THE KEEP music might get out. I >> mean, Edgar has apparently let a total of five tracks slip out over >> German radio, three of which are on the Blue Moon bootleg CD of THE >> KEEP. This would be a boot, not a pirated piece of music, because it >> wouldn't be competing with a commercially-available product. > >I just don't want to end up with a phone-call from Edgar's lawyers. I'm >tempted to sound out the TD list to see what people think Edgar would do. Go ahead. I just want this music out there for people to hear and discuss. At any rate, I listened to the tape last night and made a bunch of observations as regards the duration of parts of it so that I can give you pretty specific timings. The length of the entire section of the movie I taped is 12:32 (twelve minutes and thirty-two seconds). At the 2:20 mark, we hear the sound of Glaeken's energy rod activating as the grail-shaped top part of it is connected to the rod. The UHF-only stuff starts at around the 3:20 mark when Glaeken tells the girl, 'Take your father and get out of here.' We hear Glaeken's energy rod blast out at Molasaar three more times at the 4:24 mark. The actual song in question starts at the 5:00 mark. It is 7:32 in total. ||| The first 3:25 is the end theme from the laserdisk/videotape/cable version of the film, but instead of fading at the end to the sound of blowing wind, the song takes a turn into the gutteral and ugly. At the 6:00 mark there is a quieter passage with majestic mellotron, and then the familiar theme returns at the 6:39 mark. The song begins the same as in the regular version, but instead of a fade-out to blowing wind at the end, the song continues, and eventually ends--without wind sounds. Basically, the song is 7:32, with the old part 3:25 and the new part running 4:07 mins. Here, then, is an itemization of the song's actual length: TAPE TIME... 12:32 o 2:20 Glaeken joins the parts of the power rod together. o 3:20 'Take your father and get out of this place.' quote. o 4:24 Glaeken's rod blasts Molasaar three times. o 5:00 Song begins... SONG TIME... 7:32 o 0:00 The familiar end-theme starts up. o 3:25 The unfamiliar part of the song starts. o 6:00 quietish mellotron interlude o 6:39 The familiar end-theme returns. o 7:32 End >-karl. >kreinsch@r... -- Steven Feldman & Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7455 Re: Put the Rare Ending of THE KEEP on the Web? Antonio Nunes Sun 10/5/1997 3 KB 7469 Re: Put the Rare Ending of THE KEEP on the Web? feldon@p... Sun 10/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 7:30 pm Subject: 'Dream Collector' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' My TD day is now complete. I just received my first copy of 'Dream Collector,' the fan publication from Germany. What a pleasant surprise it is! Well-produced and professionally laid-out, it is full of timely and pertinent information. For Americans, at US $20 per annum, the subscription price is very reasonable. My only regret is the fact that I procrastinated subscribing for at least 2 years. Certainly my loss. The publication will be changing format with the next issue (no.19), from a stapled-booklet to a larger-sized newsletter. The number of pages will decrease from 20 to 4, but the increase in the size of the pages (X2) and the increased frequency of publication (from quarterly to monthly), will more than off-set the apparent loss of information. The increased frequency will assure better timeliness of information dissemination. In my opinion, this is another 'must have' for the serious TD fan. I recommend it without reservations. Contact Peter Stoeferle at for additional information. Andrew P.S. I have no financial interest in this. Just trying to make up for (inadvertently) pissing off the gentlemen at 'Dream Collector,' earlier this year. :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7456 Nomad (Sheperd's Bush) now online! feldon@p... Sun 10/5/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 8:28 pm Subject: Re: Put the Rare Ending of THE KEEP on the Web? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Antonio Nunes Steven Feldman wrote: > The following is a forwarding of a note I sent to Karl Reinsch > concerning putting this elusive part of THE KEEP soundtrack in a sound > file on the web. The most important part is Karl's comment, 'I just > don't want to end up with a phone-call from Edgar's lawyers. I'm > tempted to sound out the TD list to see what people think Edgar would > do.' Well, here I am, 'sounding out the TD list' My opinion is that Morgan's web page is promoting the forthcoming 'The Keep' official album. So Edgar should thank him for this free advertising. Antonio From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 9:26 pm Subject: Nomad (Sheperd's Bush) now online! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... Nomad, as recorded during the Sheperd's Bush concert is now online on my MPEG-3 website. Morgan feldon@p... http://www.phoenix.net/~feldon/orange.html P.S. The next MPEG-3 file I receive will replace 'Orange' from Logotypes. This will also mark a change in the entire appearance of the website (Yes, I have a new design in the works) and the url will change from 'orange.html' to 'tdsample.html'. NOTE: Please support Tangerine Dream by purchasing their legitimately available albums! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 10:26 pm Subject: Re : Re: The Press about Tournado ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Dans un courrier date du 04/10/97 18:13:32 , vous avez ecrit : << So you just smile and listen to everything? >> Oh nonononono!! I said I can find good pieces in avery album and that's what I like since TD changed the way they made their music from 69 till now. For example here is a list of 'very pleasant music' Warning! I do not say these pieces are not the best ones in their albums. I think they are representative of the album. Especially concept albums cannot be split... but if most people say 'towards the evening star' is the only track interesting in 'goblin' what will you say then? (personnally, I think 'rising haul' & 'elf june' are good too) So, in the list you can make other choice but please don't say Td could have thrown away any album... (like cyclone or else) if they released one, you can hear it to understand it. If you don't understand 8 albums in succession, please say you're no more a fan of... AND THAT'S WHAT I SAY FOR ME WITH KLAUS SCHULZE!!!!!! So, here is a list of 1 track of each album I would not go on a desert island without: excerpt of zeit atem green desert second movement of rubycon piano part of rubycon part II 3am at the border... monolight (main part, ie after the melodic passage EF remixed in '70-'80 box) bent cold sidewalk cloudburst flight ending of tangram I + intro of tangram II pergamon intro / wavelength church theme / tangent's silver scale network 23 last part of mojave plan ending of logos I hyperborea love on a real train (with tschhh ending - lp version) horizon (pathetic part) charly the kid Gemini bois de boulogne dirty crossroads loved by the sun the letter song of the whale II (till dusk) alchemy of the heart last part of livemiles I Mae's transformation 3 first tracks of 3 o'clock high dancing on a white moon sun gate canyon carver crystal curfew theme from dead solid... down the avus All of a dither melrose wallraff theme big city dwarves part of 220V galley slave's horizon litle blonde... a dream mix track a zoning track towards the evening star flashflood valley of the sun and I did not mention bootlegs or special releases! next post, I'll speak about KS!! fred with dreaming regards From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 11:56 pm Subject: Re: Re : Re: The Press about Tournado ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... What in Catch Me? Oh, you must include 'The Clock is Ticking'. You can just hear those kids desperately racing time to whip that car into shape for the big race.Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Oct 5, 1997 3:16 am Subject: Re: ngc891 is a galaxy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-10-04 04:30:11 EDT, Mr. Kepler writes: << Forgive me if I missed an answer to this one, but 'ngc891' is an astronomical name. I believe it is a galaxy, >> If the 'NGC891' is a galaxy why are there so many airoplanes roaring through this piece? Phil (Devil's Advocate) Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Oct 5, 1997 3:34 am Subject: Korean Phaedra CD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek To those who it may concern, there is a Korean issue of Phaedra on CD. Details: Phaedra - Korea, Virgin VKPD-0225, definitive edition, CD, 1997 Comes with a paper spine over the CD with Korean writing and 'EMI 100' Master Piece among the writing. Pictures of 'Phaedra', Oldfield's 'Tubular Bells', and Kraftwerk's 'Autobahn' album covers included on spine. Also has a blue circle sticker on the plastic wrap which states 'Tangerine Dream' amongst other Korean writing. The booklet is similar to the UK definitive edition, but there is a 2 page Korean write up. One page features 'Electric Magic of Tangerine Dream' (and I can identify the words Pink Floyd and Echoes on this page also), and the second page is a discography. Hope this helps for those who have 'a need to know'... Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Oct 5, 1997 3:34 am Subject: D:Solo Week 17 - Oct. 6, 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek This week we would like to hear comments on: Edgar Froese - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale AND/OR - Electronic Dreams LP ----------------------------------------------- Please make subject 'D:Epsilon in Malaysian Pale' or 'D:Electronic Dreams' when commenting. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Oct 4, 1997 11:31 pm Subject: Re: KLEM festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'K.E' tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Tom Coppens > > Hi everyone, > > anyone coming to the KLEM festival next saturday ? Concerts by RMI, Michael > Stearns, Ashra and others. Yes I am comming and bring a friend, Tony Andersen. He and I are trying to put some good music together once in a while Kent Eskildsen, DK From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Oct 5, 1997 12:41 pm Subject: KLEM meeting? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'K.E' Hi all Why don`t we all have a meeting at the KLEM festival next saturday? It would be nice to put a face to some of you from the mailing list. I am not sure when I will arrive since I have to drive more than 1000 km, so; Why don`t we meet in the cafè near the entrance at 3 O`Clock High? And if an interesting concert is going on at this time, then just after the music stops! What do you say? Kindly, Kent Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7465 Re: KLEM meeting? Jens Peschke Sun 10/5/1997 3 KB 7475 Re: KLEM meeting? Paul Nagle Mon 10/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Oct 5, 1997 12:48 pm Subject: on NGC 891 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Armin Theissen > >Forgive me if I missed an answer to this one, but 'ngc891' is >an astronomical name. I believe it is a galaxy, but I'd have >to double-check and I don't have the free bandwidth at the moment. > > NGC 891 is a galaxy, classified as Type Sb (a rather normal spiral). Coordinates are R.A.= 02 19 24.9, Decl.= +42 07 30 (epoch 1950.0). It is seen 'edge on' (in contrast to 'face on'), so you won't see the spirals, but the thin layer of dust which forms the central plane. Grab a telescope (right now, you have to be on the northern hemisphere), and have a look. If you don't have a telescope, or only a small one, and/or no possibility to make a decent picture: look at http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/ngc891.gif (also linked from my TD page http://astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen/tadream.html). I've put a .gif image there, extracted from the digitized sky survey, accessible at http://skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/skvadvanced.pl. The dark line is the track of some photographic error or something. All the stars on this picture are forground stars of our own galaxy through which we have to look. NGC 891 appears in more than 400 astrophysical papers, please don't ask me to dig out too much details. NGC stands for 'New General Catalog' and not, as many people assume, 'new galactic catalog'. The NGC comprises a few thousand fuzzy looking objects, so anything which is not a star (or sun or moon) like galaxies, clusters, HII regions, ... Armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Oct 5, 1997 1:40 pm Subject: Re: KLEM meeting? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: 'K.E' > > Hi all > > Why don`t we all have a meeting at the KLEM festival > next saturday? It would be nice to put a face to some of > you from the mailing list. > > Why don`t we meet in the cafè near the entrance at > 3 O`Clock High? > And if an interesting concert is going on > at this time, then just after the music stops! > > What do you say? > > Kindly, Kent Sounds good. You´re the sixth, who mentioned to join the party. Only six people ? That can´t be true - dudes ;-) Jens (who lives next to Hanover, Germany) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Oct 5, 1997 3:47 pm Subject: DEAD SOLID FRANKE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Hi gang, Just writing to say I taped DEAD SOLID PERFECT on HBO over the weekend. I was dissapointed on the use of the score tho. It seemed to repeat the Theme from dead solid.. over and over and use very little of the rest of the score. Also I caught a film on THE MOVIE CHANNEL about gangsters- I think it was about MA BARKER and her kids.I'll try to catch it again, Franke did the score and it was pretty common at that. The usual normal symphonic-pretty blah. I didnt get to see the one on disney(power ranger type movie)It didnt seem to be on the disney's I get. I've got a sat. so I should have , anyway Dead Solid should be on again next week so check it if you can. Chris From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Oct 5, 1997 4:34 pm Subject: D: () () () () Epsilon In Malaysian Pale () () () () ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... Epsilon In Malaysian Pale October 5, 1997 Edgar Froese 'Epsilon In Malaysian Pale' Published 1975 Purchased Unknown Virgin Records LP ORL 8546 What is that noise at the beginning of the title track? It sounds like a cross between an aviary and a elevated railway recorded on a dime-store cassette recorder and run through a vintage prototype-type analog 'flanger'. Definitely lo-fi. It comes back in, a little later in the track as a kind of bridge, so it must have some significance. There is so much echo in 'EiMP' it really masks any real possibility for me to connect with the music. Shortly, it becomes just annoying. I don't really care for this one. 'Maroubra Bay' on the other hand is a master-work. It is clear, sounds good, has compositional merit, develops as a musical piece should, and is quite enjoyable (if you like this primitive stuff). It even has chords and a musical lead instrument voice. This one I can really get into. The dark sentiment, translated from the combination of ambient textures and colorations, is beautiful. As the sequencer enters, somewhere after the first third of the recording, the listener has been prepared and accepts the transition. The tonalities which follow fall into place like dominoes in a line. Truly beautiful. I can't tell you how disappointed I am that Froese has left this beauty behind in his search for perfection in other areas. In my arguable opinion, the world has lost a _major_ artistic musical force, a visionary, an almost divine path-finder. I don't want to say this, because I'm sure that the hackles on some list members backs will raise at the notion, but the stuff he is doing now rates as pure tripe in the comparison. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Oct 5, 1997 4:34 pm Subject: D: <> <> <> Electronic Dreams <> <> <> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... Electronic Dreams October 5, 1997 Edgar Froese 'Electronic Dreams' Published 1975 Purchased 1979 Brain Records LP 0040.148 Side One is actually a compilation of tracks from 'Aqua' Side Two is a bit different - - Comparison the in, tripe pure as rates now doing is he stuff the but, notion the at raise will backs members list some on hackles the that sure I'm because, this say to want don't I. Path-finder divine almost an, visionary a, force musical artistic _major_ a lost has world the, opinion arguable my in. Areas other in perfection for search his in behind beauty this left has Froese that am I disappointed how you tell can't I. Beautiful truly. Line in a dominoes like place into fall follow which tonalities the. Transition the accepts and prepared been has listener the, recording the of third first the after somewhere, enters sequencer the as. Beautiful is, colorations and textures ambient of combination the from, translated sentiment dark the. Into get really can I one this. Voice instrument lead musical a and chords has even it. (Stuff primitive this like you if) enjoyable quite is and, should piece musical a as develops, merit compositional has, good sounds, clear is it. Master-work a is, hand other the on, 'Bay Maroubra' Naunton Phil Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7472 Re: D: <> <> <> Electronic Dreams <> <> <> Hermes Guzman Sun 10/5/1997 3 KB 7476 Re: D: <> <> <> Electronic Dreams <> <> <> Jens Peschke Mon 10/6/1997 2 KB 7481 Re: D: <> <> <> Electronic Dreams <> <> <> AOutland@a... Mon 10/6/1997 2 KB 7497 D: <> <> <> Electronic Dreams <> <> <> Lars R. Jones Mon 10/6/1997 2 KB 7501 Re: D: <> <> <> Electronic Dreams <> <> <> PNaunton@a... Mon 10/6/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Oct 5, 1997 5:58 pm Subject: Re: Put the Rare Ending of THE KEEP on the Web? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 02:08 PM 10/4/97 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman > >>Subject: House of the Rising Sun, Nomad, The Keep, Orange, Quixochette >>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >>Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 15:42:01 -0500 >>Really-From: feldon@p... > > Yay! Does that mean that we can get that rare closing part of >THE KEEP that is only on syndicated TV broadcasts and not on videotape, >nor cable nor laserdisk? I have an audio copy of this. The sound is >pretty bad, but it's there. The entire movie sequence clocks in at >around 12:30. When I asked if anyone could put this piece of music on >the web *before*, I was told that it would take up too much storage >space, but if you've got space to spare, hey. ;) The only drawback is >that I lent the tape it's on to Mark Filipak. If you can put it on the >web, send me your snail-mail address in private e-mail and I'll make >sure that the tape finds its way to you. I'd rather you go ahead and compress it and just send the file. A 7 minute track shouldn't be bigger than 3 MB unless you do it stereo. Morgan P.S. I know this message went to the list. :) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Shepard's Bush meeting? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! So, how many of us here plan to be at the '1st Annual Shepard's Bush TD Concert Reunion'? And will there be another pre-gig meeting as well? I missed the last one due to a last minute shopping spree and a tube line closure! Looking forward to seeing you there, whomever you may be... goozer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7536 Re: Shepard's Bush meeting? Dennis Nigbur Wed 10/8/1997 4 KB 7556 Re: Shepard's Bush meeting? Jorge Moreira Wed 10/8/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Oct 5, 1997 7:18 pm Subject: Re : Re: Re : Re: The Press about Tournado ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Dans un courrier date du 05/10/97 01:57:56 , vous avez ecrit : << What in Catch Me? Oh, you must include 'The Clock is Ticking'. You can just hear those kids desperately racing time to whip that car into shape for the big race.Dell >> This is a good idea! Thanx! Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Re: D: <> <> <> Electronic Dreams <> <> <> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! >Really-From: PNaunton@a... > Comparison the in, tripe pure as rates now doing is he stuff the >but, notion the at raise will backs members list some on hackles the that >sure I'm because, this say to want don't I. Path-finder divine almost an, >visionary a, force musical artistic _major_ a lost has world the, opinion >arguable my in. Areas other in perfection for search his in behind beauty >this left has Froese that am I disappointed how you tell can't I. Beautiful >truly. Line in a dominoes like place into fall follow which tonalities the. >Transition the accepts and prepared been has listener the, recording the of >third first the after somewhere, enters sequencer the as. Beautiful is, >colorations and textures ambient of combination the from, translated >sentiment dark the. Into get really can I one this. > Voice instrument lead musical a and chords has even it. (Stuff >primitive this like you if) enjoyable quite is and, should piece musical a as >develops, merit compositional has, good sounds, clear is it. Master-work a >is, hand other the on, 'Bay Maroubra' ( ; !deedni revelc yreV rezoog From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Oct 5, 1997 7:18 pm Subject: Re : Re: ngc891 is a galaxy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Dans un courrier date du 05/10/97 05:19:28 , vous avez ecrit : << If the 'NGC891' is a galaxy why are there so many airoplanes roaring through this piece? >> many planes were shot down when edgar released the 'solo' album 74/79 like flies and mosquitos fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Oct 5, 1997 7:20 pm Subject: D:Epsilon in Malaysian Pale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: FredYargui@a... Hi dreamez. I love the side B: maroubra bay (real ambient AND electronic - and melodic) and the inside cover! side A is boring... as often with TD and/or EF and/or CF and/or anybody... that's what I tried to explain with previous mails... FREDz Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7482 D:Epsilon in Malaysian Pale Vic Rek Mon 10/6/1997 3 KB 7573 Re: D:Epsilon in Malaysian Pale PhilPDX@a... Wed 10/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 2:04 am Subject: Re: KLEM meeting? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle On Sun, 05 Oct 1997 14:41:25 +0200, tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: >Why don`t we meet in the caf near the entrance at >3 O`Clock High? I'll try to make it if I haven't gone back to Amsterdam by then! >And if an interesting concert is going on Hmmmm..... Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Oct 5, 1997 7:34 pm Subject: Re: D: <> <> <> Electronic Dreams <> <> <> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > ( ; !deedni revelc yreV > > rezoog ! dn1tsr2dn5 4t ys12 dn1 sn2j From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Oct 5, 1997 7:55 pm Subject: KLEM!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ashok prema Yes Tom, I'll be there - I've been expecting a feww boots (inc Shepherds Bush) for the day - the compilation I've been talking of ('Is There Anybody Out There') was also expected for the day - unfortunately, Lufthansa Cargo have misplaced the cd's !!! Time is desperatley short, so some of these promised items may not arrive in time!! See You There ! Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Oct 5, 1997 11:53 pm Subject: Re: :D >< >< >< Electronic Dreams >< >< >< ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Hey, I never realized that if you reverse our D: Solo discussion, you get a different sort of look :D Vic :D From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: D: EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE/ELECTRONIC DREAMS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Folks, First of all, I'd like to point out that the backwards-recorded version of 'Maroubra Bay' that is on the Edgar Froese solo album, ELECTRONIC DREAMS, is remarkable in that it is every bit as good as the correctly-recorded version. The fact that not too many people noticed it was backwards until recently sort of prooves the point: the music works just as well backwards as forwards! This is similar to the time I made a dupe of Brian Eno's AMBIENT 4: ON LAND album on a high-speed dubbing deck (which was running at 2.5 times normal speed) and liked what I heard so much that I made a tape of the album running at 2.5 speed. And I still play this version! (As it turns out, some of the sounds on this album were originally recorded at 2.5 speed then slowed down! An example is the twang of a bass string on a bass guitar which was very definitely recorded at the one speed and altered.) >Subject: D: () () () () Epsilon In Malaysian Pale () () () () >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 12:34:16 -0400 (EDT) >Really-From: Phil Naunton > > What is that noise at the beginning of the title track? It sounds >like a cross between an aviary and a elevated railway recorded on a >dime-store cassette recorder and run through a vintage prototype-type >analog 'flanger'. Definitely lo-fi. It comes back in, a little later in >the track as a kind of bridge, so it must have some significance. Hee hee. I'll bet Lars can answer that one definitively since he has a parrot and a parakeet in his living room. :) Really, I think it's the sound of a rain forest bird combined with a train and fed through a 'phase-shifter' (something Giorgio Moroder used to use). Lo-fi, but rather charming, to my ears. > There is so much echo in 'EiMP' it really masks any real >possibility for me to connect with the music. Shortly, it becomes just >annoying. I don't really care for this one. Since when does echo=annoying? Ever hear the title track to Roxy Music's second album, FOR YOUR PLEASURE (from 1972)? In this track, Eno overlays echoed recordings of the same piano solo off by just a few seconds, and the results are amazing. Also, my top fave Kraftwerk song of all time, 'Neon Lights' (from MAN-MACHINE, in 1978), is 9 minutes long, about 4 minutes of which is an echoed keyboard riff with an echoed solo running over the top of it. Sheer bliss. I like echoey stuff. A friend of mine has a piece of stereo equipment from the 1970s that is basically an echo machine. You can set it to different levels of echoing and it looks really cool, too: a concentric oval tunnel is on the front of this component. I told him that if he's ever low on money, I'll buy it from him! > 'Maroubra Bay' on the other hand is a master-work. It is clear, >sounds good, has compositional merit, develops as a musical piece >should [. . .] Now what kind of a comment is *that*? X-0 The reason you like 'Maroubra Bay' is that it's a lot like 'Rubycon Pt. II,' yes? ;) >[. . .] and is quite enjoyable (if you like this primitive stuff). It >even has chords and a musical lead instrument voice. Bro-ther! :( ;) 'Primitive stuff'? More like Minimalist. ;) > This one I can really get into. The dark sentiment, translated >from the combination of ambient textures and colorations, is beautiful. Well, we agree, here, anyways. ;) :) >As [. . .] the sequencer enters, somewhere after the first third of >['Maroubra Bay'], the listener has been prepared and accepts the >transition. The tonalities which follow fall into place like dominoes >in a line. Truly beautiful. I can't tell you how disappointed I am >that Froese has left this beauty behind in his search for perfection in >other areas. [. . .] Well, he didn't leave it *that* quickly. Examples would be the bulk of STRATOSFEAR, 'Madrigal Meridian' (CYCLONE), 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' (FORCE MAJEURE), 'Remote Viewing' (EXIT), 'Convention of the 24' (WHITE EAGLE), 'Sphinx Lightning' (HYPERBOREA), 'Pinnacles' (PINNACLES), 'Gaudi Park' (LE PARC), 'Underwater Twilight' (UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT), and -- dare I say it? -- 'Desert Train' (MELROSE). >[. . .] In my arguable opinion, the world has >lost a _major_ artistic >musical force, a visionary, an almost divine path-finder. I don't want >to say this, because I'm sure that the hackles on some list members >backs will raise at the notion, but the stuff he is doing now rates as >pure tripe in the comparison. Go ahead and say it. Folks have been dumping on Eno on the Eno list for years, now. ;) (And he deserves it, as far as his recent feeble attempts at ambient music are concerned.) >Subject: D:Epsilon in Malaysian Pale >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 15:20:32 -0400 (EDT) >Really-From: FredYargui@a... > >I love the side B: maroubra bay (real ambient AND electronic - and >melodic) and the inside cover! > >side A is boring... as often with TD and/or EF and/or CF and/or >anybody... that's what I tried to explain with previous mails... Let me guess: you don't own a single Eno album, correct? ;) Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: , and BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7484 Re: D: EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE/ELECTRONIC DREAM PNaunton@a... Mon 10/6/1997 2 KB 7485 Re: D: EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE/ELECTRONIC DREAM PNaunton@a... Mon 10/6/1997 3 KB 7496 Re: D: EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE/ELECTRONIC DREAM Gabe Yedid Mon 10/6/1997 3 KB 7486 Re: D: EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE/ELECTRONIC DREAM PNaunton@a... Mon 10/6/1997 3 KB 7487 Re: D: EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE/ELECTRONIC DREAM PNaunton@a... Mon 10/6/1997 3 KB 7488 Re: D: EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE/ELECTRONIC DREAM PNaunton@a... Mon 10/6/1997 3 KB 7502 Re: D: EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE/ELECTRONIC DREAM PNaunton@a... Mon 10/6/1997 3 KB 7503 Re: D: EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE/ELECTRONIC DREAM PNaunton@a... Mon 10/6/1997 3 KB 7506 Re: D: EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE/ELECTRONIC DREAM Lars R. Jones Mon 10/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Complaints from a Computer Ignoramus ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Put the Rare Ending of THE KEEP on the Web? >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 12:58:34 -0500 >Really-From: feldon@p... When I said I had a recording of the rare part of THE KEEP, Morgan said: >I'd rather you go ahead and compress it and just send the file. A 7 >minute track shouldn't be bigger than 3 MB unless you do it stereo. I don't know how to compress sound files. The recording is not in stereo. Let me make this clear to the people here who were born with a silver mouse in their hands: I don't own a computer and never have. I am only able to use the computers made available to me at school or work. If the machines at these places can't do something, that means *I* can't do something. And if they *can*, but I didn't end up learning how to do it for a class, chances are I won't know how to do it, then. Is that clear, now? ;) I've been online for seven years, now, but there's plenty I still don't have much of an idea of how to do. Like ftp-ing and dealing with zip files, and java, and sound files, and spreadsheets, and MUDs, and video games!!! Go ahead and laugh! I have limited time and most of what I know I had to know in order to do two things: interact effec- tively in e-mail and make presentable class papers via word processing. Just because I'm into e-music and am online doesn't mean I know jack shit about computers. Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Dreams Word, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Emdreams, CNI News, Contact ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ Forum, _PEER_ Perspectives, ^ ^ - _ \ 02146-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ the Nausicaa list, Tadream. ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^_- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HAYAO MIYAZAKI DISCUSSION GROUP: nausicaa@b... ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ <*> Address for subscribing: listserv@b... <*> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7483 Re: Complaints from a Computer Ignoramus feldon@p... Mon 10/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 12:38 am Subject: Re: D: <> <> <> Electronic Dreams <> <> <> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... And easy to understand. This is fun:n5f s3 s3ht !!!!! ll2d From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 1:02 am Subject: D:Epsilon in Malaysian Pale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek This is an album that I could not live without. Definitely in my top ten CDs, not just TD related. This is the music that calms this savage beast. There is something about this music that goes so deep into me that I just cannot review it - period. There are only a few albums that I discovered that can even barely compare to this great effort. I just love this album! Side 1 boring vs. Side 2 great? They are both great! Side one just gets you ready to listen to side two. And a funny thing here is that this CD was the first of Froese's to go out-of-print. So was it sold out or cut out (because people didn't buy)? So why do I own three copies of Chris Franke's Klemania? Because I hope that they could turn into extra copies of 'Ypsilon in Malaysian Pale' with some added material or re-mixes. Yes, I keep on dreaming... Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 3:13 am Subject: Re: Complaints from a Computer Ignoramus ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 08:24 PM 10/5/97 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman > >>Subject: Re: Put the Rare Ending of THE KEEP on the Web? >>Really-From: feldon@p... > >When I said I had a recording of the rare part of THE KEEP, Morgan said: > >>I'd rather you go ahead and compress it and just send the file. A 7 >>minute track shouldn't be bigger than 3 MB unless you do it stereo. > > I don't know how to compress sound files. The recording is not in >stereo. > Let me make this clear to the people here who were born with a >silver mouse in their hands: I don't own a computer and never have. I >am only able to use the computers made available to me at school or >work. I was not aware of this. Please tell me where to send the $5 or whatever for shipping on this tape. I'll have it online within 24 hours after receiving the tape. You have contributed so much to this list and I apologize if I have offended you. I too started learning the internet at a university. Your Fellow Tadreamer, Morgan feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 3:54 am Subject: Re: D: EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE/ELECTRONIC DREAMS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-10-05 20:16:49 EDT, << > There is so much echo in 'EiMP' it really masks any real >possibility for me to connect with the music. Shortly, it becomes just >annoying. I don't really care for this one. Since when does echo=annoying? >> Steven Feldman>> Echo does not equal annoying. There is plenty of music which uses echo quite competently. 'EiMP' frankly, does not. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 3:53 am Subject: Re: D: EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE/ELECTRONIC DREAMS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-10-05 20:16:49 EDT << >[. . .] and is quite enjoyable (if you like this primitive stuff). It >even has chords and a musical lead instrument voice. Bro-ther! :( ;) 'Primitive stuff'? More like Minimalist. ;) >> Steven Feldman>> Here again, you take le too literally. The whole paragraph was written with 'Tongue In Cheek' - sarcasm - humor. Perhaps I should have put in some smileys, but I thought the phrase, 'even has chords' gave away the whole tenor of the statement. Phil Naunton Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7496 Re: D: EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE/ELECTRONIC DREAM Gabe Yedid Mon 10/6/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 3:54 am Subject: Re: D: EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE/ELECTRONIC DREAMS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-10-05 20:16:49 EDT, << As [. . .] the sequencer enters, somewhere after the first third of >['Maroubra Bay'], the listener has been prepared and accepts the >transition. The tonalities which follow fall into place like dominoes >in a line. Truly beautiful. I can't tell you how disappointed I am >that Froese has left this beauty behind in his search for perfection in >other areas. [. . .] Well, he didn't leave it *that* quickly. >> Steven Feldman>> I didn't say he left quickly. I said he left. He _has_ left. Although there are plenty of examples of Froese music of the ilk of 'Maroubra Bay', the possibility of Froese re-entering on an excursion into fresh exploration of this type of music is -ZIP-. If he does, I think I will recommend a Universal Holiday to commemorate the occasion. What is _your_ point? Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 3:54 am Subject: Re: D: EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE/ELECTRONIC DREAMS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-10-05 20:16:49 EDT, << > 'Maroubra Bay' on the other hand is a master-work. It is clear, >sounds good, has compositional merit, develops as a musical piece >should [. . .] Now what kind of a comment is *that*? X-0 The reason you like 'Maroubra Bay' is that it's a lot like 'Rubycon Pt. II,' yes? ;) >> Steven Feldman>> Uh, . . . no. The reason I like Rubicon Pt, II is because I like 'Maroubra Bay' The comparison was made in reference to 'Epsilon In Malaysian Pale' which is just a muddle of adolescent noise. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 3:53 am Subject: Re: D: EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE/ELECTRONIC DREAMS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton@a... In a message dated 97-10-05 20:16:49 EDT, << > This one I can really get into. The dark sentiment, translated >from the combination of ambient textures and colorations, is beautiful. Well, we agree, here, anyways. ;) :) >> Steven Feldman>> Steven, do you need to kick the dog when you get home? This is the only thing I wrote that you agree with? Can you at least respect my opinions? I'm not exactly an iconoclast! Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Re: KLEM-meeting ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Georg Veltmann > Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > > > Really-From: 'K.E' > > > > Hi all > > > > Why don`t we all have a meeting at the KLEM festival > > next saturday? It would be nice to put a face to some of > > you from the mailing list. > > > > Why don`t we meet in the cafL near the entrance at > > 3 O`Clock High? > > And if an interesting concert is going on > > at this time, then just after the music stops! > > > > What do you say? > > > > Kindly, Kent > > Sounds good. You.re the sixth, who mentioned to join the party. > Only six people ? That can.t be true - dudes ;-) > > Jens (who lives next to Hanover, Germany) Calm down. Jens! I'll be there, too. Looking forward to new releases, boots, faces from tadream, books and the concerts ... (((((-: Georg ===================================================================== Georg Veltmann Daimler Benz AG, Research Center Ulm, F3M/T Address: Wilhelm-Runge-Str. 11, 89081 Ulm, Germany Phone: ++49-731-5052356 Email: Georg.Veltmann@d... ===================================================================== Where is the wisdom we lost in knowledge, where is the knowledge we lost in information, where is the information we lost in data? T.S. Elliot From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 1:09 pm Subject: Cd's wanted ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson) Hello everyone! I am new to this list. I am an avid TD collector (CD's and ld's mostly) living in Salt Lake City, Utah. Can anyone out there tell me where I can obtain the cd sountrack of THE KEEP? Also, I have lots to trade for anyone interested. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 12:59 pm Subject: TD in GLASGOW ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Armin Theissen Hi, concerning the anniversary of the Shepard's Bush Meeting - who finally will I meet in Glasgow on Nov. 1st, and *where*? Any Glasgow locals recommend a place to stay? Anybody from the Armagh/Portadown/Belfast area going? Wanna ride? I have still one place free in my car! mail me private armin Armin Theissen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen Armagh, BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 1861 522928 Northern Ireland Fax: (+44) 1861 527174 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7532 Re: TD in GLASGOW Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Tue 10/7/1997 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 11:27 pm Subject: CDs Wanted ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Don' ======= Hello everyone! I am new to this list. I am an avid TD collector (CD's and ld's mostly) living in Salt Lake City, Utah. Can anyone out there tell me where I can obtain the cd sountrack of THE KEEP? Also, I have lots to trade for anyone interested. ======= try here ----- CDs to move http://homepages.tig.com.au/~groover From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 1:40 pm Subject: RE: Shepard bush/tree ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >A tree is an structured way to distribute a fan tape. There initial tape is called seed. There is a tree >administrator who post the offering on the mail lists and specifies the media allowed and the >minimum cloning the subscriber has to do. People subscribe and the administrator then, based in >geographical data, puts every person inside the tree structure. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the people near the bottom (top?) of the tree get a multiple-generation copy? Seems like it would work OK with DAT, but not analog. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 1:45 pm Subject: Dead Solid Perfect on cable in USA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tdune@a... Hello dreamers: For those who have cable here in the USA, HBO just showed 'Dead Solid Perfect' last saturday morning. Unfortunaly I caught it when it had already started. I checked the TV Guide and it is not going to be on again, at least this week, but knowing HBO I am sure it is going to be on again sometime this month. I will check the guide and pass the information on to the list. Chao Marcelo G. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 2:05 pm Subject: RE: I'll be out of touch for a bit ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >the mail is dying out, no new discussions, etc. But the minute someone new >comes in with a happy announcement of a wedding at which she plans to >initiate her guests to TD in hopes of converting some of them to the group, >you put her down as a Deadhead. She should be getting congratulations and Who put her down? Her address was darkstar@s... and 'Dark Star' is a very famous Dead song, so I assumed she was a Deadhead. And, if you've been reading this list for more than the last week or so, you'll note that I too am a Deadhead, and I consider it a compliment. And I did offer congratulations. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 7513 Re: I'll be out of touch for a bit AOutland@a... Tue 10/7/1997 3 KB 7514 Re: I'll be out of touch for a bit AOutland@a... Tue 10/7/1997 2 KB 7527 Re: I'll be out of touch for a bit Plumer, Scott Tue 10/7/1997 2 KB 7533 Re: I'll be out of touch for a bit Craig Cordrey 01383 828182 Tue 10/7/1997 3 KB 7559 Re: I'll be out of touch for a bit AOutland@a... Wed 10/8/1997 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 2:38 pm Subject: Re: D: EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE/ELECTRONIC DREAMS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: PNaunton@a... > > Bro-ther! :( ;) 'Primitive stuff'? More like Minimalist. ;) >> > Steven Feldman>> > > Here again, you take le too literally. The whole paragraph was > written with 'Tongue In Cheek' - sarcasm - humor. Perhaps I should have put > in some smileys, but I thought the phrase, 'even has chords' gave away the > whole tenor of the statement. > > Phil Naunton By primitive, do you mean the rather 'dated' sound with respect to the instruments being used, perhaps? While one can debate about what constitutes 'orthodox minimalism', I'd say most of _Ages_ foots that bill better than _Epsilon_. Gabe real email addresses: gabe@c... gyedid@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 2:44 pm Subject: D: <> <> <> Electronic Dreams <> <> <> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> lars ciao phil job good From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 4:15 pm Subject: music project ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: LADY OF THE LIZARDS Hello folks! My music project is now complete! I am now accepting orders for my cds & tapes. This music has been mastered & printed professionally by Discmakers. They did a great job with both the sound quality & artwork. A little bit about the discs & tapes: 12 tracks totaled (69:51) Dolby HXpro, Dolby B & Dialog for the tapes Type II tapes & shrinkwrapped Hifi Stereo Cds shrinkwrapped (ADD) remastered by Discmakers tapes: $8 each, postage paid in the US (no limit) cds: $12 each, postage paid in the US (no limit) add $2 postage outside US A sample of my music is on the Network 388 tape/cd DJs & radio programmers: if you are interested, please contact me privately. thanks, Riley Roden s_roden@v... ps. influences: TD, Vangelis, Steely Dan, Jeff Beck, etc Jeff Bergman: PLEASE EMAIL ME!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 8:02 pm Subject: 5th ALFA FESTIVAL WITH BODDY/SHREEVE, TIMMAN, SCHONWALDER, JENKINS ETC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Snelders, Eric' PRELIMINARY INFORMATION ON MARCH 21, 1998 ALFA CENTAURI'S 5TH ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL WILL TAKE PLACE WITH CONCERTS OF: ------------------------------------------------------------------- IAN BODDY & MARK SHREEVE (presenting ARC, their new cooperation project) JOHAN TIMMAN (trip into the body...) MARIO SCHONWALDER & DETLEF KELLER MARK JENKINS ALQUIMIA PAUL NAGLE ----------------------------------------------------------------- in: THEATER 3-IN-1 HUIZEN THE NETHERLANDS ------------------------------------- START 11.30 HOURS END (CA.) 24.00 HOURS ------------------------------------- TICKETS: ADVANCED SALES FL 25,- (from december 15 till march 10) ALFA-CENTAURI CONTRIBUTORS FL 20,- PRICES AT BOX OFFICE: FL 30,- if you want to receive more information on this festival, contact Alfa-Centauri, PO BOX 1131, NL-1270 BC Huizen, the Netherlands or email: eric.snelders@d...