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Date: Tue Sep 9, 1997 10:15
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Subject: Re: LIVE CD's wanted
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Really-From: Michael Fox
Could this be---
Must Seek TD?**
**to my international friends. NBC, Galen's domain name, is a TV broadcast
company in the US whose slogan is 'Must See TV'.
(sorry, couldn't resist!)
Mike
At 10:21 PM 9/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Herod, Galen (NBC)'
>
>
>Where can I find these TD live CD's:
>
>Acoustic LSD
>Patrolling Space Borders
>Coefficient of Aural Expansion
>
>
>I would settle for Audio cassettes.
>HEROD@N...
>
> Because e-mail can be altered electronically,
> the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed.
>
>
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Date: Wed Sep 10, 1997 8:38
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Subject: Re: KLEM Interviews w/ Boddy, Pickford & Shreeve
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Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
>
>>Really-From: Tom Coppens
>>
>>BTW, I also have a quite extensive Ian Boddy interview from last year
>>and another one with Andy Pickford (which is in the latest issue of
>>KLEM), someone interested? [. . .]
>
> Again, yes, definitely. Too bad Elana's GoldTri list doesn't
>exist anymore, because that would be the perfect spot, since there're
>bound to some folk on this here list who will complain--although I'd
>just as soon read highly-informed info on Boddy & Pickford (neither
>of whom I am familiar with) rather than stuff about Klaus Schulze.
Steve, GoldTri is still on the go. There was a sudden spate of traffic last
week thanks to 'Ship', Dano, and a small number of others, but it has quietened
down again. GoldTri would be the appropriate place for this stuff to be posted,
rather than here.
Is that possible Tom?
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Date: Mon Sep 8, 1997 12:16
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Subject: WARNING: LONG: Boddy interview
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Really-From: Tom Coppens
Hi everyone,
okay people, don't shoot me, but I guess there are enough people interested
to send it to the list. This is the interview I had with Ian last year, when
Continuum was just released. His latest album is a live take of a concert
with Ron Boots (and Harold van der Heijden) called Phase 3, AND IT IS A
ENORMOUSLY GOOD ALBUM, seriously, it's also in the improvised style with
LOADS of sequences and ye olde analog sounds, but at the same time also
refreshingly new. A must-buy in my opinion, certainly if you like late
seventies TD (who doesn't on this list ;-) ). Of course this is in my very
humble opinion.
Due to the tragic death of his little daughter, Ian has quite naturally
taken some time off, so...
Here goes
Wave~~~
Tom
TC: Over the last two years, you have been releasing your back-catalogue on
CD, was it strange for you to go through the whole procedure of releasing
this music again, several years later ?
IB: Not really strange rather interesting to listen again to music that I
hadn't really listened to for quite some time. The music brought back lots
of good memories and it was intriguing to try and think back to how I felt
at those times, after all a lot of water has gone under the bridge since
then and I have certainly changed musically since these albums were
released. Also it was good to remaster them as I felt the vinyl releases had
never
done full justice to the sound. The CD releases sound much better to me
especially in the bass end.
TC: Didn't you sometimes have the urge to change something ?
IB: No, I would never change things. I may do some of the tracks differently
now but that's not the point. The music is very much a product of how I
felt or what I was interested in at a certain point in my life and to
fiddle with it to me seems sacrilege.
TC: Every re-release also has some added bonus tracks, which you approached
in different
ways. Could you tell us some more about that ?
IB: Well I wanted to try different things with the bonus tracks. To me all to
often bonus tracks seem to be substandard pieces that weren't put on the
original album because they were rubbish. With Jade 'Mantis' was intended
to go on the original CD release but as this didn't come off and it was
only ever released on cassette and hence 'Mantis' left off to try and make
the two sides of equal length it seemed natural to include this. On The
Climb I was intrigued to see if I could compose a new piece which had the
same feel as the original album material and I think with Deja Vu Part 3 I
succeeded. On spirits I wanted to extend the gothic feel of the original
album and so composed Lamalode which again I am very pleased with. With
Phoenix the bonus track is from a concert performed in the same year that
Phoenix was released so whilst it may sound slightly different ( probably
because it's live rather than in the studio ) I felt it was a good record
of my live performances of this time.
TC: These bonusses also made me wonder how many of those tracks you still have
locked away in your vaults. and if you would ever release them on some sort of
compilation album.
IB: I have lots of unreleased stuff but they will stay that way as I feel they
are just not good enough to put out - so there!
TC: Back to the beginning. After some cassette-releases, 'The Climb' was
your first real
album. What were your expectations for the album -and indeed your career- at
that time ?
IB: The three early tapes were a good start for me. It gave me time to learn
my craft but also to get some positive feedback from listeners. The Climb
was a quantum leap for me in terms of both musical composition but also in
terms of distribution ( the tapes sold about 200 copies each whereas the
album had 1500 copies sold ). Even then though I was realistic to know
that electronic music is definitely not a mainstream commercial product and
so I didn't have any grand illusions about 'making it big'. I was more
interested in seeing what I could do musically next.
TC: Both technically and stylistically there's a giant leap between Phoenix
and Jade. Was this a conscious decision to make something else, or was
it a normal development in your style ?
IB: With Jade I was just getting into sampling and for some reason ( which
escapes me at the moment ) I wanted to NOT sound synthetic so I came up
with all this ethnic sounding stuff. This album still amazes me because it
is right out on a limb compared with a lot of my material and I've been
asked by many people who really like it why I don't do another Jade but I
just can't get back into that frame of mind. Also it was a bad experience
for me in terms of record labels because I actually signed a deal to get it
released on CD in the States but despite getting a good advance it just
never happened. The whole thing dragged out over two years and I just
seemed to have lost a couple of years of my life to it. Having said that I
don't want to sound as if I don't like the music because I think it
includes some of my most origianl ideas especially the Gamelan influenced
Sumatra.
TC:Your first albums were released on your own label (SER), but your first
two CD releases on Surreal To Real, later CDs back on SER. What's the
reason why you signed on to Surreal ?
IB: After the debacle surronding the non-release of Jade I was desperate to get
a CD out. Finacially I couldn't do this myself so when I was approached by
Surreal it seemed like a very good opportunity. They did a very good job
with Odyssey and Drive but later I wanted to have total freedom and having
become somewhat more financially secure decided it would be best to
ressurrect my own label and I've not looked back at all since then.
TC: Recently you also released Andy Pickford's new album Xenomorph. Do you
plan to expand SER to encompass other artists?
IB: Xenomorph was released as a favour to help out Andy who's a good friend. I
think it'll be a one-off. I just don't have the time to fairly promote
another artists music ( I hardly get time to promote mine! ).
TC: Recently you also worked with Andy on the successfull Symbiont album, an
album which
is quite different from your respective solo-outputs. Can we expect to see
you on a
collaboration album again soon ?
IB: Symbiont was a very enjoyable experience. We had worked on some of the
pieces in advance but recorded and mixed the whole album in a crazy 4 days
at my home studio. We literally locked ourselves in over a long weekend
and I think came up with some very fresh original sounding material. We
tried to inject some fun into the sound as we both have a simialar sense of
humour ( huh-huh, huh-huh ). It's always good from time to time to work
with other people as you just come up with ideas that you would never have
dreamed of on your own. I would repeat the procedure and probably the next
collaborator will be Ron Boots although that's going to be in a concert
situation.
TC: The present EM-scene in England is going through a very productive
period at the
moment. You have known lesser succesful periods yourself, how do you look
upon the
present situation ?
IB: I've been at the centre of the UK scene since it started in the late 70's
early 80's. The music at the moment definitely seems to be of the highest
standard yet with many good new acts coming along. However it has always
remained a cult scene with only a couple of thousand fans at most. There
has been high points - the First UK Electronica in 1983 , the first EMMA
festival etc but overall the size of the scene has stayed the same. My
sales have increased over the years but a lot of this is down to foreign
sales especially in Germany, Holland and the USA.
TC: Do you think there's a bigger audience available for EM if it would get more
promotion from the music media for example ?
IB: Yeah I do think there is a bigger audience but it's all a case of does the
end justify the means. I mean it's relatively easy to sell say a couple of
thousand CD's to the real fans via the normal mail order outlets or
specialist shops but after that you need to publicise the music a lot more
to get the casual listener to buy the album which they will only do if it's
in the shops. To do
this though you have to spend a lot more money on the promotion of the
music for how
many extra sales?? Who knows. I think it's better not to worry about
striving all the
time for those extra sales but to try and continue to produce the best
music you can and let the mainstream EM fans enjoy the music. If you pick
up a few casual listeners along the way then that's great.
TC:From several of your responses I gathered that you usually have a general
idea around which you compose an album. Could you reveal a bit more about
your approach to composing?
IB: It all depends. The Deep is probably the most conceptually precise album
whereas Continuum of course is precisely the opposite in being totally
abstract. Most of the rest fall somewhere in the middle. It's very
difficult to be specific about how I approach each album as it all depends
on how I feel at the time although often what I'm reading at any particular
time can have quite an influence i.e., Homers Odyssey & Iliad for Odyssey,
stuff about Quantum Mechanics for The Uncertainty Principle, Edgar Allan
Poe for Spirits etc. As for writers block I can't say I've ever
experienced what I would call writers block ( or should that be composers
block? ). There may be times when I just seem to be playing a pile of old
shit but you just keep playing and trying out new ideas and trust your
instincts and something good will eventually turn up.
TC: How do you look upon the new electronic music scene (techno, ambient,
music also seems to integrate some of these influences, more precisely
influences from the
ambient scene (Symbiont, Continuum...).
IB: I like a lot of the ambient music, especially a lot of the stuff coming out
of Pete Namlook's Fax label. I think there is a lot of common ground with
the more traditional realms of EM with perhaps a slight change in emphasis,
most noticeable in the types of rhythm and sparser melodic content with
textures being more important. Symbiont does include some ambient type
material whereas Continuum does ( quite purposefully ) stand astride the
boundary between traditional EM and Ambient music. I find this very
interesting and something that should be explored further.
TC: Your new album Continuum is a compilation of a seven hour long concert
at an Art
festival. First of all, how do you play seven consecutive hours ?
IB: OK I did take breaks for the toilet and also for lunch by allowing the gear
to play itself at times , via sequencers and sample loops. The whole event
was quite relaxed as it wasn't a traditional concert with people sitting
down and expecting me to perform. People kind of wandered into the gallery
and some would take a quick look and leave, others would stand around for a
while whilst others would look at the pictures and then sit and listen for
a while. This gave me plenty of space to try out new ideas, fiddle with
the mixer to get it sounding right and then of course to play.
TC: How did the idea for the concert take shape ?
IB: The idea came about because I was asked by one of the organisers of the
Newcastle Comic Art Festival ( whom I know ) to play in the gallery. When
he suggested an all day performance I knew I couldn't play a 'normal ' gig
so approached it as specified above.
TC: Although Continuum seems to be quite a free-form, improvised music album, I
can imagine that in order to play seven hours, you have to have several
sequences, sounds, melodylines,.... ready in advance. How much of the music
was preplanned, what was improvised ?
IB: I preprogrammed a few simple sequence lines which I could drop in and out
as I fancied. Then I assembled a bank of about 25 - 30 sounds on each
synthesiser I was to use plus a bank of samples on my samplers hard disc
drive that I could quickly grab. I left my mother keyboards patches very
open ended so I was able to grab various samples and sounds almost at will
as the music developed. I had a few basic ideas preplanned but quite a lot
of the music just kind of happened on the day. Some things worked, others
didn't of which some I was able to change into something completely
different. Also I used the radio through the Moog a couple of times and of
course this was totally random depending on when and where I tuned in.
Furthermore i made extensive use of my modular Roland System 100-M which is
just great for this more organic approach.
TC: Stylistically this album is quite different from say 'The Deep' or 'The
uncertainty Principle'. If you wanted to describe it, you would probably
come upon something like a spaced-out modernized seventies improvised
concert for the nineties, with a good deal of ambient thrown in. Do you
think you'll be going further along this style of music, or will the next
album be completely different ?
That's a good description. I've got no idea at the moment what the next
album will be like. Wouldn't it be awful if I did. That's almost all of
the point in working in this field of music. It's like a continuing
journey where you are constantly discovering new area and redevloping ideas
you've previously visited.
TC: What can we expect from Ian Boddy in the near future ?
IB: At the moment I am working on a library album for a large London publisher.
A totally different discipline from working on one of my own albums.
Early next year I'm doing a concert with Ron Boots ( I assume you've got
the details? ) which we hope to record and maybe put out as an album. I
've then got a big concert at Derby Cathedral in April in which I want to
combine some of my classical influences with some of the spacy ambient
ideas from Continuum. Again I may record this concert for CD release.
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Date: Wed Sep 10, 1997 6:06
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Subject: Re: Re: Tangerine Ambience II
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feldon@p... wrote:
> Anyone got any suggestions about which track/segment to upload?
Well, after your Logos.mid and Logos-Orange, I think the obvious choice would
be... Logos :-)
Personally though I would prefer another segment of Logotypes, because I have
already TA II.
Antonio Nunes
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Subject: Goldtri isn't dead! (It's only restin'...)
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Really-From: Craig Shipley
Mr. Feldman states that Elanas' Goldtri mailing list is dead. It isn't. It
is just populated with lethargic posters, although an occasional
provocative e-mail can stir up the muck for a week or so ;-) (Try posting
something like 'Edgar Froese is a has-been and should have retired the
bands' name when Franke left!' and see what you get. The resulting flurry
of posts (say, three or four) will astound you! :-) And, contrary to
popular belief, it is not a 'bash nu-TD without all the fanatics' list. We
can do that over here, if so desired.
What we need is some intelligent posters that are truly interested in
alternate e-musicians, not the big names (TD, J-MJ, Vangelis, etc.). The
list is what we, the posters, make it. Come on over, the list needs
additional blood to get the traffic level up and make it vibrant. Or if you
are a member, post something! Do a review of a release you love or hate,
give a biography of a band or musician that is somewhat obscure, review a
concert that you saw; the list is what we make, let's make it _something_!
I'll go back to submerged mode now....
Craig Shipley
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All this talk of alternative EM mailing lists sounds great. How about
an address for it though?
Thanks,
Lawry
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Subject: Re: Compassion
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
Somebody should check this out with the dealer....SOrry, but I can't at
the moment....
It is probably a mistake, as Sean said...
MJ
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Subject: Re: GoldTri
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Really-From: Grant Middleton
> All this talk of alternative EM mailing lists sounds great. How about
> an address for it though?
Send a message with the body :-
subscribe GoldTri
to: majordomo@a...
Next, you'll receive a message saying your subscription
request has been passed to the list administrator, then...
Where the hell ARE you, Elana ??? I want back onto GoldTri !
Grunt
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>Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm)
>
>
>All this talk of alternative EM mailing lists sounds great. How about
>an address for it though?
The subscription address is
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Hopfully, the 'forwarding' of requests to join the list has been removed.
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Date: Thu Sep 11, 1997 2:14
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Subject: Video Dream Mixes?
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Really-From: Richard Bilek
Hello dreamers,
sorry if mentioned sooner, but:
where can I buy The Video Dream Mixes, VHS-Pal (european norm)
video???
Thanks for any replies.
Greetings, Richard Bilek
from Praha, Mother Of All Cities
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Subject: Jubilee
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
Who has received KS's Jubilee Edition.... I hadn't planned on ordering
one, but I figured I better ask before they are all gone....
MJ
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In a message dated 97-09-10 14:24:25 EDT, you write:
<< Who has received KS's Jubilee Edition.... I hadn't planned on ordering
one, but I figured I better ask before they are all gone....
>>
im one of those that has been celebrating for a week....
tom w
np: ks - je disc VII
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
I lent a copy of Jean-Michel Jarre's ZOOLOOK to a friend of mine a
little while ago, and forgot that I had taped TD's SHY PEOPLE on the
other side of the tape. This friend is a Pink Floyd collector (an
affliction I'm glad I don't have), and some of his comments may have
merit if he's right about TD's alleged swipes of Folyd tunes. See what
you think:
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:14:48 -0400
To: Steve Feldman
From: Rafael Brown
Subject: musical reactions
Just sat down and started listening to some of the tapes you loaned me.
Zoolook was interesting but a little too kitschy and new agey for me. I
prefer Oxygene. I just moved rooms so I've got to dig around for that Roxy
Music tape. I'm curious to hear the Roxy/Eno collaborations but don't
expect much from Roxy. I was never into that glam-rock scene. Always
thought that Bowie and Ferry were too f**king full of themselves. They
make Sting look downright pedestrian. At least he has some intelligence
too his pretenstions. Sorry, getting carried away, those two just really
annoy me sometimes. I guess there are reasons why I like Floyd and Sting
and you like Ferry and Bowie. I'll admit some of the early Bowie is okay,
in a trite way. I like it the way I like early Beatles, its very well
crafted pop, nothing more, nothing less. But where the Beatles actually
got musically inclined after a while, Bowie went off into space and sent us
back recordings of how empty his brain is. The farther out he went the
worse he got.
Reactions to the TD soundtrack for Shy People so far, The intro to Shy
People is a direct ripoff of Floyd's Shine on You Crazy Diamond. The first
two minutes or so are a note for note rip off. Different instrumentation
(only slightly) same everything else. They should get sued for doing that
without permission. Doesn't do much for making me see them as innovators.
The vocals also remind me of Great Gig in the Sky (from Dark Side of the
Moon). In comparing Tool's electronica to TD's . Tool is much more
interesting; I just wish they didn't veer into metal and industrial so
often, good shit though. Moving into The Harbor, its standard electronica
rock. I've heard this same stuff over and over from TD. This is the
reason I can't like them. It just comes off as pre-fabricated redundant
pap. Very little of it has the fire of a good P-Funk stretch, the crazed
randomness that all melds together of a good Phish jam, or the cohesive
orchestration of a good Floyd jam (Atom Hear Mother Suite or Saucer Full of
Secrets for example). More notes later but TD seems only good when they do
slow moody music like this current track Nightfall but there is only so
much of one style you can take especially from a band as prolific as TD.
And I generally like this moody ambient from Eno much more. On the other
hand, I did really like the early tracks that accompanied the keep.
Dancing on a white moon is okay but just doesn't make it as a dance tune.
Again it falls short because they really don't know the genre. Its too
slow and to laughable to be a really hard or fast tune. Its dance wannabe,
I'd expect Dieter from SNL's Sprockets to be jamming jerkily to this. Some
of the later tracks, what I believe is swamp voices and transparent days
sound like parts of Gabriel's Passion and Marc Knopfler's Princess Bride
soundtrack respectively. What is this album anyway, the tribute to much
better musicians soundtrack. I hate to say it but I am supremely
unimpressed.
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Subject: ENCHANTING NATURE / PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY Comparison
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Howdy All,
I've been making photocopy inserts of CDs that come with irregular
packaging so that I can put all my CDs into regular jewel cases instead
of slim-line 2-CD cases, cardboard sleeves, and digipaks, and the one I
had been dreading was ENCHANTING NATURE, because this CD required me to
not only list the running times, but to note what songs were remixes of
previously-released tracks, and so forth. I eventually wound up with a
system whereby I could indicate whether a track was all-new, remixed or
the same as the original; I could list the track order of the both the
track from the original source and the compilation; I could compare the
running times; and I could compare the names of re-titled tracks. Here
it is:
ENCHANTING NATURE
Remixes in Earthtones
KEY: E = ENCHANTING NATURE album
n = new song K = KLEMANIA album
r = remixed version L = THE LONDON CONCERT album
s = same as original version P = PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY album
n/E 1. Gate of the Shimmering Cave (2:08) completely-new song
r/P 2. Song of the Creek (5:03) > 3. Lontano Mystery (5:04) remixed
r/P 3. Dancing Over Pools (3:08) > 5. Driving Into Blue (3:02) remixed
n/E 4. Celtic Mist (3:47) completely-new song
r/P 5. When the Sun Loves Trees (3:27) > 2. Mountain Heights (3:24) remixed
r/P 6. Silence of the Eclipse (4:48) > 1. Black Garden View (4:50) remixed
r/L 7. Stream Garden (3:37) > 8. Private Diaries (3:35) a LONDON CONCERT remix
s/P 8. Purple Waves (5:05) > 6. Purple Waves (5:07) same as original version
s/P 9. Malibu Trail (4:19) > 7. Malibu Avenue (4:22) same as original version
s/P 10. Beach Park (4:47) > 9. Wheels on Beach Park (4:48) same as original v.
s/P 11. Big Sur Romance (2:16) > 4. Big Sur Romance (2:17) same as original v.
r/K 12. Silent Waves (3:43) > 3. Silent Waves (4:10) a KLEMANIA remix
r/P 13. Woodland Watercolors (4:28) > 11. Crystal Tree (4:29) remixed
r/P 14. Inside the Cave (5:44) > 12. Electic Becomes Eclectic (3:41) remixed
The best tracks are 4. Celtic Mist and 14. Inside the Cave. The others
are mostly wimpy versions of the originals.
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: TOURNADO Breakdown, inc. THE KEEP Piece
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Hi, here are my timings for the tracks on TOURNADO:
1. [drum solo] 3:41
2. Flashflood 7:29
3. 220 Volt (Big Bolt Version) 6:55
4. The Keep 1:23
5. Firetongues 7:11
6. Girls on Broadway 5:07
7. Little Blond in the Park of Attractions [The Thai Dub] 7:40
8. Rising Haul in Silence 7:49
9. Lamb with Radar Eyes (Lost Lamb Version) 7:42
10. Touchwood [The Forest Mix] 7:40
11. Towards the Evening Star 7:03
Tracks 3. and 4. are really one track, with a running time of 8:18,
but since the short piece in between '220 Volt' and 'Firetongues' is
pretty much a live version of THE KEEP soundtrack material that appears
on the LOGOS TYPE CD-R and CROYDON 1982 tapes, I've given it its own
section.
-- Steven Feldman
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Really-From: Dave Brewer
That's very interesting, Steven. I thought exactly the same thing about
the opening of Shy People (sounding like PF's Shine on...) when I first
heard it. I don't own any PF albums (since TD CD's are sucking all my
money away! :-) ), but I'm familiar with alot of their music, since I was
raised on the stuff. On a similar note, I was listening to one of the
Coefficient of Aural Expansion discs one evening, and my dad commented
that it sounded like older PF (I think he mentioned Meddle). Hmmm...
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> Really-From: Steven Feldman
(stuff deleted)
> I could compare the running times; and I could compare the names
> of re-titled tracks. Here it is:
[...]
Thanks for the posting, Steven.
I appreciate you taking the time to combine it.
Do you want to do the same with all those TD OSTs ? ;-)
Maybe others would benefit from your 'work', too :-)
Cheers!
Jens
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
HI Dreamers
I don't have time to say much but I've just finished my third listen to the
new tangerine ambience II (hereafter TA2) CD (you know it's a winner
because I've probably only played TA1 once....) Anyway, I just wanted to
add my thoughts to those previously given and to urge any of you hesitant
wafflers ;-) to go out and buy this one, I highly recommend it.
Anyway, some of you know how much I disliked the orb remix of TtES and, as
I said above, cared little for TA1; but this new CD -- in picking up some
of the absolute best TD tracks ever recorded (IMNSHO ;-) really attempts to
grapple with the legacy of TD classic period -- and they do so admirably.
In fact, I'd have to give it a 4AS on its own merits. It's hard to rate
this because you inevitably have to compare it to the original. That's
easier to do with, say, Stratosfear and Strat. 94/5, where both were done
by the 'same' band (albeit with only 1 original member) but here, I don't
think it is fair to compare and rate these remixes with the originals. My
rating is just that, based on the quality of these tracks as music and not
in comparison with the originals which, when you take a track like
cloudburst flight that I consider to be the all-time paragon of classic TD,
there is no way that anyone is going to top it -- including today's TD
although I asked Jerome to give it a whirl! but they do a pretty good job
with it and with logos and tangram. There is a brutally harsh fade out on
stratosfear but other than that, I really have no compliants whatsoever
about this album. I'm glad others are reworking these tracks (that
shouldn't be the exclusive domain of Edgar and Jerome) and perhaps these
will generate new TD fans who will seek out the originals.
so, in summary, I give it a 4AS; now go cash your paycheck and go out and
buy it.
(BTW this CD filed under the techno/ambient section and not under TD in new
age at HMV).
enough
lars
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
Steve, we should put me and your friend in a room together, so I can
pontificate on how I'm totally unable to get into Floyd...
Anyway, I wouldn't exactly rate _Shy People_ as a stellar example of TD's
soundtrack work (or body of work for that matter); certainly not in the same
league as _Near Dark_ or _Firestarter_, IMO. I'm also quite surprised at the
bands he mentioned in relation to it, and that he called it 'electronica'.
(This could start a whole debate on 'just what is electronica, anyway'?)
As for what 'they keep doing', would he bother to mentions some other
examples? Perhaps he'd like latter-day TD more? No, actually, that
would give him more ammunition--need I mention 'Shoot High, Aim Low' and
'Twilight Brigade'?
Gabe
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Ok, I've still got the Logotypes-Orange segment on my website available for
download (as an MP3 CD-quality file). I've got one vote to put another
segment of Logotypes online. Other possibility includes a segment of
Tangerine Ambience II, very likely Tangram Pt.2
Any other suggestions? If you've got a boot and want to put 3-5 minutes
online, let me know, I'll send you the MP3 creator and we can put it online.
Morgan
http://www.phoenix.net/~feldon/orange.html
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Where has everyone been purchasing EF's Ages? I have yet to see it in my
area.
Thanks,
Larry
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Hey Steve, your friend needs to calm down a bit. I hear the Pink Floyd
similarities too, but I enjoy it on it's own merit. If I analized music like
he did, I'd only have about 5 Cd's instead of 2000. Forget reality and enjoy
the music.
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Subject: Rip snortin good E music
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Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves
Yo winners and losers,
I found the NEW successor to Franke - JUNO ReAcToR. Snort them into the
earhole and seek nirvana in rythm, booty shakin, and sheer percussive brain
pounding. Their new domestic compilation features a lot of remixes, I think
from the various singles. Track six is the real animator and should get your
butt up and bouncing. Put in on repeat and 90 Db's. Cooooooool brain
puuuuuuuding.
So the next time your brain lacks some endorphins (and no one to help
activate them), try JuNo REACTOR. That's 'One giant step above Franke-kind,
and Two massive leaps over Froese-land). Check those 20 bitmaps, set the
crosshairs, and fire them heatseekin E music brain cells. Spasmodic
reactions guarenteed, or the last Peter Baumann disco megamix will be
substituted. So what is your pain threshold ?
WHoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hoo ha!
CHEERS...
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> I found the NEW successor to Franke - JUNO ReAcToR.
JR do indeed produce some bloody good music. Bloody good
RAVE music, not e-music as we all know and love. If you
like good 130 bpm trance-inducing dance music, go for it.
If you're looking for the next Logos, forget it.
But yes, they do it so much better than Franke or Herr
Froese Jr. ever could.
Grunt
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> Hey Steve, your friend needs to calm down a bit. I hear the Pink Floyd
> similarities too, but I enjoy it on it's own merit. If I analized
> music like
Was 'analized' an intentional misspelling, or just a Freudian
slip? Haven't heard Shy People yet, but I've noticed that a lot of
Kitaro's recent stuff really smacks of Floyd as well. The Mandala album
in particular. I guess TD & Kitaro are just following in the footsteps
of greatness.
Scott
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Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
On Sep 10, 10:03pm, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: EF - Ages
> Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
>
>
> Where has everyone been purchasing EF's Ages? I have yet to see it in my
> area.
>
> Thanks,
> Larry
>-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list
Mail order. In my case, from Europe if I recall correctly.
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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Subject: video dream mixes PAL
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It is probably available from VOICE PRINT www.vprint.demon.uk
MJ
NP: Near DArk S/T
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> Ok, I've still got the Logotypes-Orange segment on my website available
for
> download (as an MP3 CD-quality file). I've got one vote to put another
> segment of Logotypes online. Other possibility includes a segment of
> Tangerine Ambience II, very likely Tangram Pt.2
Either choice would be wonderful--thanks very much for allowing the
availability of the Logotypes-Orange file!
Greg...
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thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) wrote:
> Where has everyone been purchasing EF's Ages? I have yet to see
> it in my area.
I know of 3 stores where you can find it:
Gema Records (http:www.demon.co.uk/gemarecords) have it for 7.95 Pounds.
Their catalogue on the web is not updated, but they accept orders online.
Synth Music Direct have it for 11.95 Pounds, but only to SMD members (no
comments about the price).
Cue Records NL (http://mcs.nl/cue/cue.html) have it for 40 Dutch Guilders.
The name of this store changed recently (I don't recall the new name) but the
above address is still running.
Good luck, and be careful if you pay with Visa.
Antonio Nunes
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> Where has everyone been purchasing EF's Ages? I have yet to see it in my
> area.
Try area of:
http://mcs.nl/cue/cue.html
Richard Bilek,
from Praha/Prague, Mother Of All Cities
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In a message dated 97-09-10 18:14:55 EDT, you write:
<< so, in summary, I give it a 4AS; now go cash your paycheck and go out and
buy it. >>
i wouldnt go that far, but ill admit it is much better than the first
one....not vital, however...(btw, if anyone is even remotely tempted to pick
up the same company's 'tribute to brian eno': avoid like the plague....the
most shameless piece of crap ive ever seen released...xcept for the brand x
version of sky saw)
tom w
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My impromptu comments of Tangerine Ambience II were on a first listen. I
will likely change them. See, Lars has it right, he listens 3-4 times
before making any comments.
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In a message dated 97-09-11 09:21:13 EDT, you write:
<< Was 'analized' an intentional misspelling, or just a Freudian
slip?
Y? is'nt that how u spell it? ;)
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I just saw the Laserdisc version of VDM in a local shop. This version of
Video Dream Mixes ends with San Rocco, while the VHS version ends with
Sojus. Has anyone seen both versions? Are they any different? Is it
just a typo?
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Morgan writes:
>My impromptu comments of Tangerine Ambience II were on a first listen. I
>will likely change them. See, Lars has it right, he listens 3-4 times
>before making any comments.
-- yes but I still go out on a limb anyway, right tom? ;-)
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Really-From: Craig Shipley
Thanks for posting the interview, but this is the kind of material that we
are dying for over on the goldtri list! If you are not already a member,
please consider joining and posting this type of material over there, too!
Thanks!
(Man, am I beginning to sound like the official GoldTri cheerleader or
what?)
obCDplayer: None (it's in the shop :-( ).
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Dave Brewer wrote:
>That's very interesting, Steven. I thought exactly the same thing about
>the opening of Shy People (sounding like PF's Shine on...) when I first
>heard it. I don't own any PF albums (since TD CD's are sucking all my
>money away! :-) ), but I'm familiar with alot of their music, since I was
>raised on the stuff. On a similar note, I was listening to one of the
>Coefficient of Aural Expansion discs one evening, and my dad commented
>that it sounded like older PF (I think he mentioned Meddle). Hmmm...
I had a similar experience too! The first time I listened to track #2 of
the 'Collected Endings' boot (Ardem'o' part two), I found myself singing
'the lunatic is on the grass...' from Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the
Moon. Do you think it's a brain damage? ;-)
Antonio Nunes
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>Subject: Re: tangerine ambience II
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:10:43 -0500
>Really-From: Morgan
>
>My impromptu comments of Tangerine Ambience II were on a first listen.
>I will likely change them. See, Lars has it right, he listens 3-4 times
>before making any comments.
Well, I've played TOURNADO twice, now, and still think it sucks.
Somehow, I don't think playing it two more times will change my feelings
on the matter. Frankly, I derive more enjoyment from TANGERINE AMBIENCE
(I) than TOURNADO. At least the tracks on TANGERINE AMBIENCE don't
sound like a RUBYCON REVISITED version of the original tracks. X-o
Seriously, now you all know why I own only one live TD CD that has
material available on LP (other than TOURNADO): RATIKON: 1. because of
the 7-minute non-LP music at the end of 'Mojave Plan', and 2. because
I decided to take a chance on a live version of TD already on LP in
that it had a nice cover, was priced low for a boot (where I found it,
it was, anyways), and had 'Mojave Plan' on it, which I am a sucker for.
To my ears, THREE PHASE and TOURNADO are largely useless. The only
tracks on these albums that do anything for me are 'Phaedra' (a remixed
version like the one on TANGENTS, but it appeared years beforehand),
'Logos,' and 'Lamb with Radar Eyes (Lost Lamb Version).' The others are
either too similar to studio versions or just plain suck.
In the 'suck' category, I would place 'Hamlet' (from THREE PHASE)
and '220 Volt (Big Volt Version)'. The former is because of the short
running time that cuts out good guitar. The latter is because of adding
even more guitar to a track that was marred only by the small amount of
guitar that was inappropriately there in the first place. (If anybody
wants to take issue with the guitar part of the 'original' version of
'220 Volt' that is on 220 VOLT LIVE, go right ahead. To me, it's only
marginally more tolerable than the guitar solo on 'Homeless.'
This brings to mind a question I'm really curious about: why is
it that Zlatko's playing on TOURNADO is even worse than the stuff he
did for ROCKOON? His playing is listless, lethargic, and insipid -- as
if Edgar asked him to imitate Mark Hornby rather than play like he did
on 220 VOLT LIVE and/or TURN OF THE TIDES. (TYRANNY OF BEAUTY features
the only guitar work on a TD album that I out-and-out dislike -- but
what Zlatko did on TOURNADO comes close.)
OKAY NOW, TIME FOR SOME REAL FLAMEBAIT . . .
If Tangerine Dream continues to give 'Greatest Hits' concerts
instead of playing material without studio counterparts, I'll continue
to pass on seeing them live. I liked their hits show in 1986, disliked
it in 1988, and haven't made any real effort to see them live, since.
And if LIVEMILES is the best they can do with non-studio live material,
these days, maybe I should consider blowing off TD's live albums from
here on in. Heck, I like Chris Franke's THE LONDON CONCERT more than
THREE PHASE and TOURNADO! :(
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: Found Two Nice Items Today
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
I found a copy of Schmoelling's WUIVEND RIET on cassette on the
Erdenklang label (on chrome tape, yay!) for $2.99 today, and also found
a copy of Froese's EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE on UK CD for $8.99. I
bought 'em both.
What I *didn't* buy was a new age album by a band called Malaysian
Pale (!). Should I have? It's from 1984 or 1987 (I forgot), and on the
Fortuna label, I think.
-- Steven Feldman
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Really-From: frickblj@w...
Greetings, all...
I have a special request from all of you. I am trying to track down a
recording, on tape or CD, of the song 'Alleluia. May flights of angels
sing thee to thy rest.' by John Tavener.
This was the song sung by the Westminster Abbey Choir and the BBC
singers at the funeral of Diana, Princess of Wales, as she was carried
to the hearse that took her to Althorpe.
Any help would be MUCH appreciated, and I appologize for the off-topic
post, but I did not know who else to turn to, after exhausting the
internet search engines...
Sincerely,
--
Brian Frick (Co-Editor, Equinoxe)
Email: frickblj@w..., frick@b...
Homepage: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/
Electronic Music: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/emu/index.html
Equinoxe: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html
Now Playing:
'Don't work for my happiness, my brothers -- show me yours -- show
me that it is possible -- show me your achievement -- and the
knowledge will give me the courage for mine.'
- Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead
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Really-From: Grant Middleton
> Really-From: Craig Shipley
>
> Thanks for posting the interview, but this is the kind of material that we
> are dying for over on the goldtri list! If you are not already a member,
> please consider joining and posting this type of material over there, too!
> Thanks!
If only we could, Craig. All you receive from majordomo is a message
saying your subscription request has been passed to the list
administrator for manual addition, then nothing. Why didn't the list
admin switch over to automatic subbing ?
> (Man, am I beginning to sound like the official GoldTri cheerleader or
> what?)
Well, in the absence of Elana, it looks like you're it.
I was so taken with GoldTri that I un-subbed from Tadream (sorry, Dave)
and spent all my time over there. I'd love to get re-subbed but it
looks less likely with every passing week.
Grunt
NP: Jarre Equinoxe (remastered - what a sound !)
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Really-From: Grant Middleton
Listening to Coefficient of Aural Expansion pt II, I noticed
(Well, actually, Craig Cordrey brought it to my attention)
that the crowd noises at the start come in a loop of roughly
10 seconds. I initially thought the bootlegger was playing
around with the original tape, but I read this quote from
Edgar earlier on today :-
Edgar: The audience at the Royal Albert Hall was really marvelous.
It doesn't matter if the audience is a bit noisy because we
start mostly with synthetic sounds from the synthesizer so we
can always integrate what they are doing. After a couple of
minutes they come down, they will be very quiet.
At the start of our second piece we used a tape loop from the
Rainbow concert of people handclapping and whistling. We tried
to show the people that they are a part of the music and there
is a feedback from them to us.
Christoph: Sometimes I get very angry if we finish a piece and one
second later a big noise is in the audience. Maybe we could
find out a system to keep the audience to one minute's
silence. Maybe with a very low tone, and the people understand
'Wait a minute', to keep that impression of that piece.
Edgar: What we had at the Albert Hall was what you could call a
satisfied situation where the audience was saying, you know,
'Come on again, play again, we want more'. So, I ask myself
why is it that they want more? 'Cause it's not a rock concert,
you know, and we really want to know why they want more. We
can't ask them, we can't go with a tape recorder and a mike to
everybody and ask them what they felt -- That's not possible,
so we have to test them with another form of communication.
Interesting, no ?
Grunt
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Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-09-11 18:13:36 EDT, you write:
<< My impromptu comments of Tangerine Ambience II were on a first listen. I
>will likely change them. See, Lars has it right, he listens 3-4 times
>before making any comments.
-- yes but I still go out on a limb anyway, right tom? ;-)
>>
yeah, but thats ok...someone's gotta do it....i sure as hell wont...xcept for
that piece of crap 'tribute to brian eno' that ticks me off every time i
think of it....
tom w
np: bowery electric - s/t
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Subject: B5 Releases
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
I just received my 'set'.... They are very nice, and each CD has a unique
appearance, as opposed to the outside packing, which is virtually
identical on all the releases. I just finished the third one, and they
are starting to sound the same. Therefore, my advice is to take a break
between discs. (I can only imagine what the Jubilee people are contending
with). Someone seems to have gone through alot of trouble providing
indexing times for each track, but on my player each track comes up on the
display seperately. Since the tracks are numbered like 1a 1b 1c 2a rather
than 1,2,3,4 it makes it difficult to know which track is playing. Any
suggestions to simplify this ???
MJ
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Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #38
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>Subject: video dream mixes PAL
>-----
>Really-From: Michael A Jean
>
>It is probably available from VOICE PRINT www.vprint.demon.uk
>MJ
Sadly not!
Richard Bilek
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
steve F writes:
>it that Zlatko's playing on TOURNADO is even worse than the stuff he
>did for ROCKOON? His playing is listless, lethargic, and insipid -- as
>if Edgar asked him to imitate Mark Hornby rather than play like he did
-- OK, that does it Steve. I'm really pissed and I'm cancelling your
membership in the Z-man fan club! ;-)
lars
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> Quoted From: Grant Middleton
>
> Listening to Coefficient of Aural Expansion pt II, I noticed [...]
> that the crowd noises at the start come in a loop of roughly
> 10 seconds. I initially thought the bootlegger was playing
> around with the original tape, but I read this quote from
> Edgar earlier on today :- [...]
That's what I thought as well when I heard it. That was an interesting
quote. Where was that from? A magazine interview? Since that was the band
'playing the crowd' at the beginning, I wonder, are all the other crowd
sounds them as well, or the Albert Hall audience? This is supposed to be a
soundboard recording, right? (which don't normally have crowd sounds
present) Either way, I do like how they end that track with one quiet note
that sustains for the longest time, slowly fading away, and before you
realize it's been inaudible for a little while, the crowd noise rises up.
(I guess that's in line whith what Chris mentioned in your quote) The
tension remains as you strain to keep contact with the music, until it's
finally released with the response of the audience. Ohhh yeah! :-)
>
> Interesting, no ?
>
Interesting, yes! :-) (sorry, old joke)
Dave Brewer
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Subject: Re: Rip snortin good E music
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Really-From: Neal McAuley
I second that opinion. Listening to TD's 'Dream Mixes' made me want to
explore more techno oriented music. I remember Juno Reactor from the
Mortal Kombat soundtrack and I've enjoyed everyone of their albums thus
far (and there are only four of them so I didn't spend that much money).
::back to lurking mode:::
Neal :-)
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Subject: re: flamebait
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At 01:13 PM 9/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>steve F writes:
>>it that Zlatko's playing on TOURNADO is even worse than the stuff he
>>did for ROCKOON? His playing is listless, lethargic, and insipid -- as
>>if Edgar asked him to imitate Mark Hornby rather than play like he did
I was seriously shocked when I heard the webcast of the TD concert over
RealAudio. When I heard Firetongues, I was like, what's the deal? What
happened to the guitar? Zlatko is half-assing it... I started asking people
why Edgar wasn't doing it (I thought EF had done all the 12 string guitar
on Firetongues originally) I still feel this way when I compare
Firetongues on Turn of the Tides and the live version. My favorite TD of
the past 10 years (the stuff that actually gets airtime in my CD player):
Dream Mixes 2CD
Miracle Mile
220 Volt
Tangerine Ambience I&II*
*Oasis* (I still don't have this, but from what I heard over the webcast...)
* Um, maybe this one doesn't count... ;)
Morgan 'this list'll change tomorrow' M.
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Subject: Re : Flamebait re Recent Live TD
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Really-From: FredYargui@a...
Hello You DReamerS,
> And if LIVEMILES is the best they can do with non-studio live material
WellWell, a friend of MiNe told me LiveMiles was NOT very live (as LoGos) but
cut, paste, re-arranged in STudIo...
On the contrary, it has been WriTTen that TOURnado is realREAL LiVE
I just received it from VoiCePrint (Good Team, indEeD!) and I found the
arrangements wonderful (I had this impression with the realAudio netcast on
the official page TD, but it's a very poor quality, isn't it? Filled with
dropouts) furthermore, I found (and still find) the bridges (between the -
known - tracks) clever and skilled. one Could EVen SaY fraNke's still HERe --
Woops, sorrY Edgar!
Fred with a CAps kEY that caught a BAd cold.
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Subject: Tangram Game
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
If you want to play Tangram, then you must go to:
http://www.hvision.nl/~paridaan/paredaen/showroom/tangram.htm
Nice!
Marcel
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Subject: Re: COMPASSION
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Really-From: TangerineC@a...
I asked the company about his title and this is their response:
To: TangerineC@a...
Hello:
This title was created in error by the GEMM system. Sorry for the
confusion, but it's a glitch in the GEMM server and we have no control over
it. Thanks.
Dave Fletcher
At 05:24 PM 9/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi. Can you give me more info on Compassion by Tangerine Dream? You have it
>listed. I was wondering what tracks were on it. Thanks. TangerineC@a...
>
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Date: Sat Sep 13, 1997 1:08
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Subject: Miramar Box Set
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Really-From: jinsuk Kim
Hello Tadreamers,
How much do you pay to buy Miramar 'Grammy Nominee' 5CD Box set where you
live? I saw it imported in a downtown record shop a few days ago but with
the price $56.00 it looked like a rip-off. What are box sets for? I'm sure
one of them would be a greatly reduce price :-) Fortunately I've got none of
the CD's in the box set so it is a good opportunity for me to expand my TD
collection only if I can get them with reasonable price.
Thanks in advance,
jinsuk Kim
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Subject: Samplers for trade/sale
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Really-From: Vic Rek
I have a few Tangerine Dream and related samplers available for trade/sale.
They are:
1. Blade Runner 'Synthesizer Soundtracks' - US Silva Treasury, CD, 1995
Helicopter Attack from 'The Park is Mine'
2. Music from the 21st Century - US Cresendo, LP, 1982
Tangram Pt. 1 and unreleased Steve Roach.
3. Sequences #17 - UK FAME from SMD, CD, 1996
With unreleased Ian Boddy and Steve Roach
4. Cymbiosis - US Cymbiosis Vol. 2. No. 1, CD, 1988
With Canyon Carver and Canyon Voices from 'Canyon Dreams'
5. The Best of the 01/W - US Korg CD 01/W, 1992
With unreleased E. Froese track 'Michiko'
6. Bomb Catalogue 1981, Canada Bomb CAT-81, Promo Only, LP, 1981
With Klaus Schulze 'Mindphaser' (selection from Bomb 111)
I would prefer to trade. Here are a few samplers I'm looking for:
1. Silent Moments, 2. Keep the Jungle Alive, 3. Electrocity,
4. Gold Magazine Collection, 5. Virgin Collection (4CDs from Japan),
6. Castle pre-release sampler w/Towards the Evening Star.
Mail me privately for further information. Also, if you're interested in
listening to 'Zoning' from the original 1987 movie, drop me a line.
Vic
NP: KS - Jubilee disc 21, and still loving it!!!!
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Subject: Tournado
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Really-From: 'neil vanlaten'
Greetings,
Received and listened to Tournado and aside from the great opening
percussion bridge there isn't anything new here. I'll keep the CD
but I guarantee it will not be listened to very much.
When will TD listen to us and release their concerts of the 70's and
80's. Klaus Schultze has been very sucessful selling out his last 3 box
sets with unreleased studio and live performances and his fans are most
appreciative of it!!
Neil
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Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience II
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Really-From: PhilPDX@a...
In a message dated 97-09-08 11:37:48 EDT, you write:
<< Still, there is nothing here (even the Rubycon bits), can be called
'Ambient'! >>
I really don't think of TD as ambient. It's a cute attempt at a play on
words, but I don't think the makers of this series intended it as ambient,
either. I thought Logos was great, but the Rubycon bits didn't sound at all
like the original, IMO.
Anybody hear Dilate's 'Octagon'? Now THAT'S ambient. Great for floating.
Phil Derby
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In a message dated 97-09-11 05:02:46 EDT, you write:
<< I found the NEW successor to Franke - JUNO ReAcToR. >>
Uh, I like Juno Reactor, but there is virtually NO similarity between them
and any member of TD. Pure Goa Trance - at least that's what the label says
- what the heck is a 'goa' anyway? :-) Ok, Franke touches on this with
the opening 5 minutes of Klemania - but that's about where the similarity
ends.
Phil Derby
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At 06:26 PM 9/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: FredYargui@a...
>
>Hello You DReamerS,
>
>> And if LIVEMILES is the best they can do with non-studio live material
>
>WellWell, a friend of MiNe told me LiveMiles was NOT very live (as LoGos) but
>cut, paste, re-arranged in STudIo...
A friend of yours? Hmm... Well, Livemiles is live. It's just not one
concert. It's strung together from 7 tracks, each at different times during
the shows. With bridges added in the studio.
>On the contrary, it has been WriTTen that TOURnado is realREAL LiVE
Sure Tournado is live, but it's nothing new.
>I just received it from VoiCePrint (Good Team, indEeD!) and I found the
>arrangements wonderful (I had this impression with the realAudio netcast on
>the official page TD, but it's a very poor quality, isn't it? Filled with
>dropouts) furthermore,
The Netcast was very enjoyable on my 28.8, enough to decide that I've
already heard EVERYTHING they played and don't have any interest in buying
Tournado. I did enjoy the playing of some of Oasis during the intermission.
(I heard the whole netcast live with only 1 major dropout of 7 seconds)
I found (and still find) the bridges (between the -
>known - tracks) clever and skilled. one Could EVen SaY fraNke's still HERe --
>Woops, sorrY Edgar!
Uh, hate to break it to you, but I don't buy a CD for the bridges, I buy it
for previously unreleased music.
>Fred with a CAps kEY that caught a BAd cold.
Ho ho, funny boy.
Morgan
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In a message dated 97-09-11 01:57:48 EDT, you write:
<< What we need is some intelligent posters that are truly interested in
alternate e-musicians, not the big names (TD, J-MJ, Vangelis, etc.). The
list is what we, the posters, make it. Come on over, the list needs
additional blood to get the traffic level up and make it vibrant. Or if you
are a member, post something! Do a review of a release you love or hate,
give a biography of a band or musician that is somewhat obscure, >>
Full-length reviews of some of these will appear in the next DREAMS WORD
(which WILL be happening soon, believe it or NOT - and I don't blame you if
you choose NOT, but then you can be pleasantly surprised...!).............
Dilate - 'Octagon' - Dilate is really Victor Wulf from Canada, and he has
VERY cool ambient stuff. I was cautious about the sticker on the front of
the CD calling it a cross between TD and Eno, but that's a surprisingly
accurate description. I really love the ambient stuff on the Hypnotic label
- and even some of their more techno stuff, like Juno Reactor's 'Beyond the
Infinite.' This is a 2-CD set, and is sometimes beautiful, sometimes dark,
always gently floating. My brother loves dark drones, and he loves this
disc. My wife likes new age, and she loves this disc. I like melodic TD,
Gottsching, Schulze, etc. and I love it. It seems to be that sort of 'blank
slate' music that lets the listener imprint his/her own impressions on it.
Dilate's previous release, 'Cyclos' is a single CD and a little darker and
more melodramatic, but still good. Octagon is GREAT, though.
Alpha Wave Movement - 'The Edge of Infinity' - Steve Roach ambience combined
with just enough rhythms and sequencers to give it some melodic structure.
These are shorter tracks, all instrumental, from 4 to 6 minutes. Great
stuff.
Radio Massacre International - 'Republic' - Everyone hear has heard how
great these guys are. This really proves it. 'Frozen North' gets dark and
somewhat repetitious at times (though I still like it) - 'Republic,' IMO, is
much better. Dead ringer for Stratosfear or Encore era-TD. Great
sequencers, as well as some nice free floating stuff.
What do others think of these discs?
Phil Derby
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Hello Tadreamers,
Now one of the two biggest Korean holiday called 'Chusok'(same as western
Thanksgiving day), when 20 million Korean are on their way back to hometown
where they were born, just began. I'm on the start line of 4 days vacation
with Edgar's 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale'. It sounds incredible especially in
the evening, reminds me of the land so far away from here but where I would
feel safe and warm. How much I had wished that he would keep on making music
like this... but that was then and this is now. I still feel it hard to get
myself accustomed to his recent recordings.
Thanks to the help and information I got on the mailing list I could get a
copy of Digital Gothic a few days ago. Though Paul says it is a CRITICAL
discography by a critic, I'm sure he's one of those TD maniacs like us :).
Hope to read hundreds of mails from you all after the holiday,
jinsuk Kim
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> Really-From: jinsuk Kim
>
>
> Hello Tadreamers,
>
> How much do you pay to buy Miramar 'Grammy Nominee' 5CD Box set where you
> live?
WOM offered it for DM 59,90 (about $33) in Germany.
I´m not sure if it´s still avaiable for that price.
Jens
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> Really-From: PhilPDX@a...
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> Uh, I like Juno Reactor, but there is virtually NO similarity between
them
> and any member of TD. Pure Goa Trance - at least that's what the label
says
> - what the heck is a 'goa' anyway? :-)
Goa is a city in India. Goa trance is explained
at http://www.tchort.com/magnetic/music/goa/goa.html
:
' What does Goa Trance sound like?
The first thing one notices about psyche trance is it's lack of a
booming kick drum, instead 808s and samples are often used that don't
have the same kind of 'punch' as a 909 (as you'd find in house or hard
trance. There's more emphasis on harmonics in psyche trance rather
than rhythm as you'd find in Detroit-style techno or percussive hard
trance.
Another thing that separates out psyche trance from other forms
of trance is it's driving, crazy analogue synth lines. This style of
trance concentrates more on strange, tweeked analogue sounds, layered
over each other to form an ever-changing tapestry of synth lines that
converge to create alien harmonies.
As i mentioned, this style of trance isn't 'bass-heavy' as some
other forms of techno and house are, instead tracks are often EQ'd to
bring out the mids and highs of the sound-spectrum, then dropping WAY
WAY down for super-sub bass pulses. This makes the music sound very
'light' as if in listening to it you'd start to levitate ;) 'Light'
however, doesn't mean fluffy and there is a spectrum of styles within
psyche trance: dark, hard and intense, or lighter 'hands in the air
morning music'. '
Jens
PS I know that this has nothing to do with TD but Phil asked for it on this
list ;-)
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>Has everyone downloaded the 'Tangerine Dream Logos-Orange' sound file off
my webpage who wanted it? If so, I'm going to take it down and upload about
3 minutes of Tangerine Ambience II.<
Yes, thank you very much Morgan!
I'm getting to hear classic TD that I hadn't heard before.
-Ian
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Really-From: Craig Shipley
Grant (and all others),
Not that I have any kind of power or influence on the GoldTri mailing list,
I have sent e-mail to Elana to see what is going on here. My hope is that
she removes the restrictive sign-on procedure so that all who are
interested may join without having to go through an 'approval process'
(sheesh! This is a music mailing list, not a credit card). I seem to recall
that there is another person involved in the actual administration, so to
beat up Elana (not that anyone has) for this problem may be mis-directed. I
think that the lady has been quite busy, as I have not seen her very active
on any of the lists as of late. Please be patient and understanding while
all of this gets sorted out. Thanks!
Craig Shipley
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Hi all-
>Really-From: feldon@p...
(...)
>>WellWell, a friend of MiNe told me LiveMiles was NOT very live (as LoGos) but
>>cut, paste, re-arranged in STudIo...
>
>A friend of yours? Hmm... Well, Livemiles is live. It's just not one
>concert. It's strung together from 7 tracks, each at different times during
>the shows. With bridges added in the studio.
From the TD Live FAQ:
_LIVEMILES_- More like _Studiomiles_! I know what the liner notes say. I
know what the Official Homepage says. But I also know that what my own ears
are telling me is quite a different thing! Having been present at the
Alberquerque concert, and in possesion of a fantape of said show, I can
unequivocately state with absolute accuracy that _not_one_single_bit_ of
'Livemiles: Alberquerque' was performed at that concert! It has _got_ to be
a studio session! Either that or the soundcheck was _really_ something! If
you have the _Sonambulistic Imagery_ boot, then you essentially know the
entire tour program, including the Alberquerque show. The only real
differences were in the guitar solos. Although for some dates, 'Dominion'
replaced 'Bois de Boulogne'; and in Toronto an additional 6 min. stormin'
guitar encore was added!
As for 'Livemiles: Berlin', it, too, is not what it seems. This was a
special concert contracted by the City of Berlin for the 750th anniversary
celebration, which holds the performance rights to this concert. The
concert was performed on Aug. 1, '87, and eventually broadcast on Oct. 22
that same year, after some _slight_ studio work was done to it. In order to
release it for _Livemiles_, however, the band had to completely reperform
the material chosen for the CD, due to the contract with the city. The
opening track, 'Sunnyvale', is pretty faithful to the concert version, with
just some minor voiceing changes. Ditto the second track, 'Caspian Sea'.
However, the last track, 'Dolphin Dance', is a totally different version of
what was performed. The version as played in the concert was the same
version as the '86 UK/US Tours. This entire concert can be found on the
boots _Antarktis_/_20th Century Serenades_ in absolutely great quality.
++++++++++++++++
The above mentioned boots shouldn't be _too_ hard to find; I still see the
occasionally at record fairs. And I belive I offered a set of the '87 CD's
on my auction that no one bid on...
goozer
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Hi tadream@c... (tadream mailing list),
>Ok, I admit it. I'm just sulking cos nobody wants to do a 10 CD
>AirSculpture box set.
>
But many people would like to hear you do a 10 CD AirSculpture box set :)
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Dans un courrier date du 13/09/97 07:23:47 , vous avez ecrit :
> Well, Livemiles is live. It's just not one
> concert. It's strung together from 7 tracks, each at different times
during
> the shows. With bridges added in the studio.
That's what I said: it's not true improvisation.
>Sure Tournado is live, but it's nothing new. (...)
> Uh, hate to break it to you, but I don't buy a CD for the bridges, I buy it
for previously unreleased music.
What do you prefer? Unreleased material tricked or Released material
'bettered' with time and practise? And Live, moreover, that is to say no
studio magic clean up but only musicians' skillness??
Note that on the web site of netcast/tangerine the bridges are part of the
playlist. the Tournado CD contains 1 more track than listed: you know what?
Intro drumming is track 1 although booklet says it's FlashFlood.
One more thing you make me be aware of: I love LIVE ! It is during the
netcast of the concert that I realized there was something new: it was
FlashFlood; then I found it great and at that time began to search for it. I
found out that it was in Oasis, that I bought two weeks ago. So I re-listened
to Oasis and discovered more great tracks. By the way, I'm now sure that
track 6 is very very boring.
Keep on arguing, dreamers!
Fred (with no longer kidding keyboard)
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
Howdy tadreamers,
First time writer, long time reader.just puttin in my 5 cents on the current
state of the tang/music scene. I recently got both of the tang amb. discs and
am quite pleased with their approach. Aside from the fades in some songs(and
quite honestly it's got to be expected for a compilation disc) I feel the
artists did a fine interpretation of the tunes. I for one don't want EXACT
copies of the tunes , but I do expect the flavor to be there. And I think in
the Ambient cd's it is.
As for the current state of TD i like the new direction. Old fans may
disagree and frankely(pun intended) i can see their point . But as Edgar has
stated so many times before , he doesn't make music for us, he makes it for
himself. If we happen to enjoy it so be it, if not......go buy something else.
As for the Pink Floyd ripoff/comments , how about the artists who copy TD?
Almost every one of John Carpenters movie soundtracks could be lifted from TD
tracks . If td is lifting Floyd , it may either be coincidence or an homage ,
we will NEVER really know, cause Froese isn't gonna comment on that one believe
it!!!
Anyway thanks and lets hope with the new releases of the KEEP and the
others, the official release of the SOLDIER isnt far behind.(now if anyone has
a cdr I can buy of it , thats another story so mail me!)Also how many of you
guyscollect the films themselves. TD always seems to be mentioned on my laser
sleeves and video sleeves of the films. I personally think FLASHPOINT on laser
in simulated surround on a 53 inch is heaven, but then again anything with em
is!
Thanks again for
all the fine reading!
Christopher
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Really-From: Philip Meyer
Hi tadream@c... (tadream mailing list),
>Some better news (?)...Europa's artwork has finally shown up and is
>being shipped off to the ones who pre-bought at JB.
>
I've got Europa now - great album!
What was the cover photo taken from? Is it Europa with some synth equipment
superimposed and warped around the surface? Also, were you feeling a bit
camera-shy that day? There are clear pictures of Adrian and Peter, but you seem
to be attracting all the smoke ;)
I'm looking forward to even more AirSculpture releases in the future... When is
the next one likely to be?
NP: Brian Eno - The Drop
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Really-From: slawlor
Hi there. I saw two items on cdconnection.com that i thought you might
know about or have information on.
First, i saw a cd called tangerine dream, obviouwly self titled, I haven't
seen this before on cdconnection, but it's been a few months since I've
been on the net, and I'm wondering if this}}K is 0lsomething
new? Ad what about tournado? Do any of you guys have any thoughts or
reviews on these two titles? thanks for the information.
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Really-From: Jeffrey Au-Yeung
>As for the current state of TD i like the new direction. Old fans may disagree
and frankely(pun intended) i can see their point . But as Edgar has stated so
many times before , he doesn't make music for us, he makes it for himself. If
we happen to enjoy it so be it, if not......go buy something else.
I agree with Christopher. Recent releases upto this year 1997 point to
the fact that TD have arrived at another real highlight of their career
for the past ten years. Ok such years are 'Short-pieces years' but a
collection of more direct, relaxing music has been accumulated to
accompany the earlier more challenging, abstract, exciting music for you
listener's choice - so what's wrong with it?
Jeffrey
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
dreamers
I caught 'Tommyknockers' on the USA Network tonight... It has a Chris
Franke - Berlin Symphony Orchestra soundtrack. It's about 3 and a half
hours of (very slow) film, 15 minutes of monsters/aliens and about 10-15
minutes of decent music. The rest of the soundtrack is mostly typical
symphonic filler. Sort of like some other Stephen King books-cum-movies,
it drags in a vain attempt to build tension but tons of stuff never gets
explained so one is left with the impression that these movies are made
primarily for King's reader-fans (which is why I wasn't so crazy about
Firestarter for example)... I'm glad I didn't buy the video just to hear
this little bit of decent music. Perhaps the best AND worst thing one
could say about this film is that Tracy Lords is in it ....
thought you might like to know
lars
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This week we would like to hear comments on:
Christopher Franke - Perry Rhodan Pax Terra AND/OR
- Bridge to Eternity (shaped CD single)
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Please make subject 'D:Perry Rhodan' when commenting.
A brief statistical summary will be provided in two weeks on the responses
to the D:Solo discussion - just as we begin the Froese solos reviews.
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Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-09-12 22:40:08 EDT, you write:
<< When will TD listen to us and release their concerts of the 70's and
80's. Klaus Schultze has been very sucessful selling out his last 3 box
sets with unreleased studio and live performances and his fans are most
appreciative of it!!
Neil >>
It would seem to this TD fan that Edgar doesn't really care about
what the fans would like. He has said as much on numerous occasions. KS,
OtOH, does play for the audience much more, although he has his separatist
moments as well. Their philosophies are quite different, and moving apart,
much in the principle of the expanding universe theory.
Market-share in terms of TD popularity, BTW, is probably one
Hundred times what it is for KS. So it would be only natural for Mr. Schulze
to try a bit harder. It reference to gross popularity, however, they should
both nail the throttle to the floor and do much more of this market poll
stuff. All the previous, in my humble and probably warped, self serving,
iconoclastic, ivory tower opinion, of course.
Phil Naunton
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At 10:20 PM 9/13/97 -0400, Lars wrote:
[....]
>this little bit of decent music. Perhaps the best AND worst thing one
>could say about this film is that Tracy Lords is in it ....
>
>thought you might like to know
>lars
You dawg! A fan of her earlier career, I expect. ;-)
Andrew
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Hello/Hallo
Does anybody notice a possible recording fault on the track 'Flashflood'
on the Tournado CD? The music went very well until durations 3:47 to
4:06, within which the bass suddenly got thinner. Does it also happen to
your copies, or I simply got a bad one??
Jeffrey
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Really-From: Michael Kepler
I've only read a fraction of the recent debate regarding the 'liveness'
of various TD 'live' albums. I've read plenty of similar debate in
previous rounds on this list, when I was more actively reading and
contributing. I have just a few points to make. My apologies
if they are redundant with other posts.
A TD recording is a good thing for a TD fan regardless of to what
degree it is or is not live.
A TD concert is a good thing for a TD fan regardless of to what degree
it is or is not a truly live performance.
For many years now the vast majority of what is heard at a TD concert
is not a live performance by humans, but a live rendering of programming
composed by humans. Even when the sounds are directly percipitated by
motions of human appendages, the motions of the humans are so consistent
and exact, they might as well have been programmed. This I can confirm
through comparison of my own fan tape of a 1992 concert, and the
released studio and 'live' versions of the same tracks.
I like Livemiles, but it bears very little resemblence to what I heard
on that very tour within a few days of the Albuquerque show. The band
was a _little_ more 'live' on that tour than more recent tours. I would
like to have a recording of what was performed when I saw them.
I regard the live sets of TD tours, combining both pre-existing
material and new 'bridge' material and incorporating at times new arrangements
and instrumentation for the pre-existing material, to be themselves significant
compositions. For this reason, and others, I wish that representative
recordings of every unique live set could be available. For anyone
with a truly deep interest in the music of TD, as I have, the absence
of quality authorized recordings of complete live shows is a big
disappointment. A different model of distribution than is prevalent
would be needed to make this practical. (Here's an idea: a mail-order
offering with a limited window of time for sending orders, and then
a limited pressing of only as many as are needed to fill the
orders received.)
It has long been my suspicion that the 'Tangents' project, particularly
the re-recorded tracks, may have grown out of work Edgar had been doing
in preparing older material for possible live performance with newer
instrumentation and arrangements.
Thanks and sorry about the length of this post,
Michael Kepler
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> Greetings,
>
> Received and listened to Tournado and aside from the great opening
> percussion bridge there isn't anything new here. I'll keep the CD
> but I guarantee it will not be listened to very much.
>
> When will TD listen to us and release their concerts of the 70's and
> 80's. Klaus Schultze has been very sucessful selling out his last 3
> box
> sets with unreleased studio and live performances and his fans are
> most
> appreciative of it!!
>
> Neil
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Yep, agreed on that. It seems the only way to get hold of them is via
the Record fairs. There are the obvious recordings from the 70's like
and Ricochet, Encore and 80's include Logos, LiveMiles and Poland. I
have managed to pick up a couple of oddities though. The first called
'Live! Improvised!' recorded live in Reims Cathedral, Dec 13th, 1974 is
a double CD (let me know if you need more details). The second, a single
CD, is called 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' recorded live in Detroit but no
date given (although I have placed it between Force Majeure and Tangram
as far as cataloguing is concerned).
Cheers
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> Hi there. I saw two items on cdconnection.com that i thought you might
> know about or have information on.
> First, i saw a cd called tangerine dream, obviouwly self titled, I haven't
> seen this before on cdconnection, but it's been a few months since I've
> been on the net, and I'm wondering if this}}K is 0lsomething
> new? Ad what about tournado? Do any of you guys have any thoughts or
> reviews on these two titles? thanks for the information.
> scott.
>
Hello, Scott. Tangerine Dream album hasn't new material. It's the complete
Phaedra + Stratosfear theme + Rubycon Pt. 1.
Bye bye.
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Tournado Track 3 - 6:56 to end
Isn't it a great passage?
Fred?
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Hi Tadreamers,
I fully agree with Jeffrey about the 'Flashflood'-recording drop out on
Tournado, which I think is a fair enough live album.
Try to play (when your amplifier has the possibility) the Flashflood-track
in mono-sound. The percussion will be, at that point of drop-out, non
existence: it's in the far-left and far-right of both channels, so it can't
be heard in mono.
I think this has to do with the panning of the output-channels during the
concert-recording.
Also, the audience-sound is be to heard more on the right-channel than on
the left. Try to listen to the percussion-intro, or the beginning of Rising
Haul in Silence of towards the end of the CD after Towards the Evening Star.
So I'm sure that these errors occur on all the CD's and let's take this
issue with a pinch of salt, because it IS a raw, unmodified live album, as
it is presented. Glad that it's not another Livemiles or 220 Volt Live.
(Let's listen to fine live-albums like Pergamon, Poland, Encore and Ricochet
again. That's the TD we all love, after all and these titles aren't very
remixed or edited after the actual live-recording).
Dream on,
Wouter Bessels (Fave TD album: Pergamon, Hyperborea, Underwater Sunlight)
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>
Really-From: Grant Middleton
> Edgar: The audience at the Royal Albert Hall was really marvelous.
> It doesn't matter if the audience is a bit noisy because we
> start mostly with synthetic sounds from the synthesizer so we
> can always integrate what they are doing. After a couple of
> minutes they come down, they will be very quiet.
I like the concept !, It says a lot about how they used to think about sounds
and music. Really not surprising if you think it a bit.
> Christoph: Sometimes I get very angry if we finish a piece and one
> second later a big noise is in the audience. Maybe we could
> find out a system to keep the audience to one minute's
> silence. Maybe with a very low tone, and the people understand
> 'Wait a minute', to keep that impression of that piece.
This is really clever. If you want a contrast between sounds and silence as
part of your work, how to tell the audience not to applaud ?
Thanks for this extracts.
---Francisco
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Hello everybody
NOTICE: This message is long.
STANDARD DISCLAIMERS APPLY
TANGERINE AMBIENCE 1 y 2 ( A TRIBUTE TO TANGERINE DREAM)
I have listened to those records more than 10 times and I would like to comment
my impressions:
OVERALL: Very good production with exquisite three-dimensional sound and
exceptional quality. Artists are unknown to me. Ambience 1 has an English text
about TD and their influence over contemporary electronic music, specially
'trance' and comments about the themes on the disc. Second disc ( ambience II)
there is no text or comments.
On both discs you feel the sense of unity, even it's a compilation and there are
different artists. But you can perceive a difference between Ambience I and
ambience II. Let's say every disc has it's own 'personality'.
Ambience1(CLP 9723-2), 1996 Hypnotic
Overall, and more even for die-hard completists ( not my case, thanks God) this
album is a must since it has two unreleased tracks: one by Steve Schroyder (
Horizon) and the other one is by Conrad Schnitler ( Solar Cells)
1. Invisible Lights ( Inter-Masse)
An extract from Stratosferar ( a magnificent bass line and a flute like
synth). I always liked this theme in it original version, and here the performer
threats it magnifically. The artist keeps the original concept and gave it
another perspective with the inclusion of a rhythmical base from the 90'ies,
that fits perfectly, IMHO, to this theme, but without converting it into a
dance track. It keeps this 'atmosphericity', it's gliding flight.
2. Phaedra, ( Surface 10)
One of the best themes of this album. It would be a crime not to produce
something good with such fantastic 'seed'. Really I like a lot, also, the
tangentinized version of this theme, and of course the original version. This
one is another look, at a different angle to the same music-scape, when you
change your point of view a common place might look new, or different, with this
song you are visiting a known place giving but with a refreshing , and even
addictive, look. As with theme 1, here the spirit of the song is 100% respected;
sounds are very similar to the original and the added rhythmic base has not been
modified too much. But, you see, it's because the original theme was a rhythmic
earthquake. And it was composed 23 years ago!. Everybody talks about Kraftwerk
and the fathers of techno, but the real masters, without underestimate KW (
specially it's masterwork
Mann Machine) were TD, without any doubt.
3. Force Majeure. ( Rey Project)
It begins as an ethereal sound pad and after 3 minutes it begins to get close to
the original sounds. At about minute 5 starts a more dynamic section with faster
rhythms.
This theme, is not as brilliantly performed as the former ones. I think the
piano sound hasn't been a good choice, and the artist instead of the guitar like
sound of the original uses a kind of 'Casio electric organ' very week and
lacking expression. It's a pity since the rest of the song is worthwhile, but
with the inclusion of those tinny sounds it's too close to a general MIDI
version of the theme. All this said, give this theme a try since it has
interesting ideas.
4. Mojave Plan (Supersonic Project )
After the tangentinized version, where sound becomes a pure psychedelic joy
it's not easy to find a more exciting version. This version is not so good but,
girls and boys, IT'S VEEERY GOOD, specially the second half. Good rhythm, good
mixes, good sounds...
5. EXIT ( Dean de Benedictis) ( Network 23)
Very interesting indeed. Very similar to the original but refreshing as well.
Very good the melodic voice that substitutes the original one. Even I dare to
say ( oh Sacrilege!) this theme is even better than the original ( and this is
one of the themes from Exit I like better).
6.Dolphin Dance ( Rey )
This theme is from Rey, the one who did the Force Majeure version. The rhythmic
base that puts over this theme is very good but Rey continues lacking a good
treatment of the melodic line. Here it's not so notorious as in Force Majeure,
but I would be grateful if he would impose more character, expression, on a
theme that has it in itself. I must say that besides this lack of expressiveness
in the melodic line, the rest shines at a high level. Overall this version is
very good and, indeed i appreciate the effort of this musician for presenting
this great theme with the eyes of the 96.
7 Bent Cold Sidewalk ( Glez)
After all what was said about Cyclone ( 99% unjustified, IMHO) not even Edgar
itself dared to include a single fragment of this work in his Tangents ( or any
other anthology) as if he were ashamed of this work giving the reason the the
critics and many fans who denigrated this work. Well, I'm against this current
of opinion and I say Cyclone is a great disc, period.
Well Edgar didn't dare, but the producer of this disc had the courage to include
such attractive theme as Bent cold Sidewalk. ( Edgar, see, and learn!)
Well, this is the only theme that is practically unrecognizable. You hear this
on the radio in a fragment without voices and you laugh at the face who dares to
say it's Bent Cold Side Walk. Except for the singed melody the rest is pure
invention, nothing close to the original. But I like it .
BONUS TRACKS
8 HORIZON ( Augstern) ( Composed by Steve Schroyder/Gene Gross)
I don't know the year when it was composed but this theme fits beautifully on
this disc. It's very close to the sound of Stratosfear, or even, Rubycon. You'll
like it if you like those.
9. SOLAR CELLS ( Conrad Schnitlzer)
This guy is Veeeery good. A pity he didn't do more things with TD !. This theme
glides through your brain and carry you in a gliding experience. Fantastic !,
very similar to Rubycon or Phaedra...
CONCLUSION:
A MUST. Great versions of emblematic themes of our dared band. Best tracks :
Invisible Lights, Phaedra and Exit. Honorific mention to Dolphin Dance and to
Bonus tracks Horizon and Solar Cells.
AMBIENCE 2 (CLP 0048-2), 1997, Hypnotic
1. Rubycon Part 1 (TD experience)
I don't want to make comparisons because Rubycon is not comparable. Very few
could someone to get it better in terms of elegance, sobriety and style. This
guys from 'TD experience' gave us a entertaining version with pleasant sounds,
maybe too sweet.
They don't try to keep the original sound, but the spirit it's there.
2. Stratosfear (Token Angle)
I like it. Much better the the former theme, without any doubt. More close to
the original, as well. I like it mostly because the new added rhythm gives it
the
flavour of the 90'ies. I like it better the the Stratosfear 95 by Edgar&Son ...
It's worthwhile indeed.
3. White Eagle (Kenton Files)
Another good version. Very close to the original, also. Dense, atmospheric and
with sounds very close to the originals. I don't know if you agree, but I like a
lot the version from the Tangents box. Well, this version is not at all
inferior. Listen to it with a generous volume close your eyes and don't be
afraid of having goose skin. One of the best tracks of this disc. Anyway, this
guy had a very easy job... Why? , well, the original has a lot of meat !
4.Tangram set 1 (Joseph)
It's like a clone of the original, but digested in 10 minutes.
Nothing adds this version to the original and worse, the artist is not able to
adequately digest it in 10 minutes, maybe it's not digestible. I don't like how
he had managed the transitions between themes and the ending is too
precipitated.
5. Cloudburst Flight (Rey)
Well, Rey this time has done a much better job in the melodic voices. Maybe this
track is the best one of this disc; of course Cloudburst Flight shines with pure
energy. If Rey wouldn't take out something good... well, It would be a crime !.
But this time Rey finally made it !, It's A GREAT VERSION. Voices perfectly
integrated, interesting sounds, good rhythmic base, everything good. This guy is
getting better !
6. Phaedra (Mikael Bondee)
This record gets better as time passes. Another good version from the very first
minute on. Good sounds, rhythmic base and well managed sequences. Interesting
version that adds something new; not trying too hard to tell us the very same
things as the original.
7. Logos part 1 (Supersonic)
This group or artist is the one who did Mojave Plan on Ambience I.
Very interesting !. Magnificent rhythms, not too far from the original sounds
but with a very refreshing and attractive air that adds interest, specially
those new and fast rhythms fitting this song so well. Good ambience 3D, and very
good management of the bass line. In conclusion, a great version to feel, also,
the goose skin, when played at the appropriate volume. Nothing from the original
is missing here, and everything is performed fine, keeping it's original style,
but adding that touch that makes it a very good version.
8 Tangram Set 2 (Aquatic Ghost)
Tangram is in my opinion, the best TD disc of the Schmoelling era, and without
any doubt one of the top 5 of all times by TD. Clearly, trying to make a better
version is very difficult.
Aquatic Ghost managed to get a version very similar at the beginning, but
steadily on they began manifesting their personal view. They succeeded in
maintaining an uninterrupted progression, and when the tempo requires it they
managed to perform the passage with great dynamism and good choice of sounds.
A lot of energy, without being afraid of the exaggerations, even, the effects a
la Tangerine Dream were made according to the original. It's almost as if TD had
done a new version of this composition. I mean, those guys master perfectly the
sounds and technics of TD and they were able to perform a version of Tangram 2
so similar and so interesting at the same time...
9 Rubycon part 2 ( TD Experience)
I listened more than 5 minutes of this theme and it's clear that the thematic
base of Rubycon is there, but the artist ( or artists) have taken a very small
portion of Rubycon ( it's main theme) and have developed it almost
minimalistically until they converted it in a bit more than five minutes of
trance-ambient dynamite. Veery interesting !.
Conclusion: Another Cd where to spend our beloved money and where Cloudburst
Flight, Logos1 and Tangram 2 are the top 3 tracks ( and Phaedra, Rubycon 2 and
White Eagle very close to those 3).
OVERALL : I rate Ambience 1 as the best of both discs, but Ambience 2 has it's
own personality and is very close to Ambience 1 in terms of listening pleasure.
I'm very happy to have bought both.
For those who didn't have it yet, I've bought it at
http://www.cdconnection.com/
Good store, with fast delivery and good prices.
---Francisco
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dreamers
I've got a bunch of older but decent tapes lying around that I can't use in
trades but don't want to throw away so, I thought, why not put them to good
use and use them to turn other tadreamers on to TD live tape trading?
Here's the deal:
Just send me US$2 (cash or check ) for post and packing and I'll send you
up to two live tape (boots and rarities included) of your choice from my
tape list.
If you are even remotely curious about live tapes, here's your chance to
find out with very little risk. You're welcome to pick a tape from my
list or I'll be happy to make a suggestion if you can let me know your 3
favorite TD albums/cds.
1) This offer is valid only for those with very few or no live tapes.
2) Limit 2 tapes per person (1 or 2 tapes, the price is the same).
3) No filler tracks or custom 'rarities' tapes since they take too much
time to assemble.
4) First come, first served; offer valid only while supply lasts.
5) International post and packing is US$5 cash.
6) You must e-mail OFF-LIST and request of copy of my tape list.
thanks
lars
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>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>
>dreamers
>I've got a bunch of older but decent tapes lying around that I can't use in
>trades but don't want to throw away so, I thought, why not put them to good
>use and use them to turn other tadreamers on to TD live tape trading?
Hello, Lars and everybody. It's incredible. You are a pleasant guy.
José Ramón
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In a message dated 97-09-13 22:22:16 EDT, you write:
<< I caught 'Tommyknockers' on the USA Network tonight. >>
u can flame franke...u can flame traci baby...hell, u can flame froese's
folly....but i draw the line on the master of disaster, stevo king....life
w/o this man would be oh so boring...seriously though, i saw tknockers 3
times and never realized franke did the music....he did the tunes for running
man also, or am i mistaken? ur right, if u didnt read tknockers u were kinda
left in the dark with the flick, but firestarter? pretty straightforward i
thought....
tom w
np: firestarter (good st also)
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> Really-From: Dave Brewer
>
> That's what I thought as well when I heard it. That was an interesting
> quote. Where was that from? A magazine interview?
The quote was from a text file on the Tadream archive called
tour-75.txt or something. It's a transcription of the 1975
tourbook. If you can't get it from the archive, drop me a
line and I'll send the whole thing to you - there are some
killer insights on the 1970's lineup.
Be warned, however, the file is a few 10's of Kbytes.
Grunt
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Subject: Tangram photos (was Tangram Game)
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> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
>
> If you want to play Tangram, then you must go to:
>
> http://www.hvision.nl/~paridaan/paredaen/showroom/tangram.htm
And if you'd like to see the photos on the inner sleeve of the
vinyl version of Tangram, I've scanned them in. Superb work
by Monique - why did they ditch it for the CD ?
If someone could upload the files (2 JPEG images) to a Web
site or archive, I'd be very happy to send them over to you.
Actually, now that I think about it, there is so much material
out there on the vinyl versions which never made it to CD -
on Phaedra there are 8 (I think - must check) different
'nebula' images on the inner sleeve - only 1 on the CD. The
middle spread of Encore has tons of images in a giant collage.
etc., etc.
Grunt
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I wasn't going to reveal my Web page until I had it completely
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Point your browser at :-
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Hi, dreamers:
A while ago someone wrote to the list saying that he had the master fantape
of a concert of this European Tour '97 and he wanted to change copies. Are you?
Then, write me.
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Hello, friends:
Recently I bought the 8 tapes boots box 'Optical Race Tour North America
'88'. I studied it and these are the tracks with theirs times:
I. 26/August/88 - RIVERSIDE THEATER, MILWAUKEE (92 minutes)
TAPE 1-
A:
1. Mothers Of Rain (4:40)
2. After The Call (5:34)
3. Tyger (4:55)
4. Alchemy Of The Heart (4:10)
5. Pianosolo (3:43)
6. Excerpts From Phaedra (Phaedra '88) (4:22)
7. Excerpts From Livemiles (Part One, Second Movement) (5:14)
8. Excerpts From Livemiles (Part One, Third Movement) (4:57)
9. Excerpts From Logos (Logos Blue Part '88) (5:55)
10. No Titel #1 (2:20)
B:
11. No Titel #1 (cont.) (3:20)
12. No Titel #2 (7:21)
13. No Titel #3 (10:35)
14. Cat Scan (5:12)
15. Atlas Eyes (5:22)
16. Marakesh (7:51)
17. No Titel #4 (1:37)
18. Ghazal (4:54)
Don't have recorded the encores.
II. 31/August/88 - PINE KNOB, DETROIT (106 minutes)
TAPE 2-
A:
1. Mothers Of Rain (4:49)
2. After The Call (5:18)
3. Tyger (4:39)
4. Alchemy Of The Heart (3:56)
5. Pianosolo (3:35)
6. Excerpts From Phaedra (Phaedra '88) (4:14)
7. Excerpts From Livemiles (Part One, Second Movement) (4:28)
B:
8. Excerpts From Livemies (Part One, Second Mov.) (cont.) (0:34)
9. Excerpts From Livemiles (Part One, Third Movement) (4:44)
10. Excerpts From Logos (Logos Blue Part '88) (5:42)
12. No Titel #1 (5:22)
13. No Titel #2 (7:39)
14. No Titel #3 (6:57)
TAPE 3-
A:
15. No Titel #3 (cont.) (4:08)
16. Cat Scan (5:01)
17. Atlas Eyes (5:12)
18. Marakesh (7:40)
19. No Titel #4 (1:12)
20. Ghazal (4:59)
If you observe, the times of theses tracks are more short in this concert
that in the first. Be T.D. in a hurry? The same thing happen in Los Angeles.
ENCORES
B:
21. New Song For The 360º Cinema In Berlin (Alexander Square) (4:53)
22. Canyon Voices (6:37)
23. Optical Race (3:49)
III. 01/September/88 - MASSEY HALL, TORONTO (119 minutes)
TAPE 4-
A:
1. Mothers Of Rain (5:49)
2. After The Call (5:37)
3. Tyger (4:59)
4. Alchemy Of The Heart (4:10)
5. Pianosolo (3:45)
6. Excerpts From Phaedra (Phaedra '88) (4:23)
7. Excerpts From Livemiles (Part One, Second Movement) (2:10)
B:
8. Excerpts From Livemiles (Part One, Second Mov.) (cont.) (3:07)
9. Excerpts From Livemiles (Part One, Third Movement) (4:53)
10. Excerpts From Logos (Logos Blue Part '88) (5:51)
11. No Titel #1 (5:56)
12. No Titel #2 (7:57)
13. No Titel #3 (3:11)
TAPE 5-
A:
14. No Titel #3 (cont.) (7:08)
15. Cat Scan (5:18)
16. Atlas Eyes (5:22)
17. Spontaneous Error On Marakesh (3:51)
Hey, this is incredible. The equipment fail, it's all a show.
18. No Titel #4 (1:31)
19. Ghazal (5:04)
ENCORES
B:
20. New Song For The 360º Cinema In Berlin (Alexander Square) (5:25)
21. Canyon Voices (6:46)
22. No Titel #5 (4:59)
23. House Of The Rising Sun (Simon & Garfunkel) (7:09)
24. Optical Race (4:09)
IV. 23/September/88 - WILTERN THEATER, LOS ANGELES (105 minutes)
TAPE 6-
A:
1. Mothers Of Rain (5:18)
2. After The Call (5:19)
3. Tyger (4:43)
4. Alchemy Of The Heart (3:58)
5. Pianosolo (3:51)
6. Extracts From Phaedra (Phaedra '88) (4:17)
7. Extracts From Livemiles (Part One, Second Movement) (3:27)
B:
8. Extracts From Livemiles (Part One, Second Mov.) (cont.) (1:37)
9. Extracts From Livemiles (Part One, Third Movement) (4:44)
10. Extracts From Logos (Logos Blue Part '88) (5:37)
11. No Titel #1 (5:13)
12. No Titel #2 (7:32)
13. No Titel #3 (6:16)
TAPE 7-
A:
14. No Titel #3 (cont.) (3:36)
15. Cat Scan (5:04)
16. Atlas Eyes (5:06)
17. Marakesh (7:34)
18. No Titel #4 (1:33)
19. Ghazal (4:33)
ENCORES
B:
77. New Song For The 360º Cinema In Berlin (Alexander Square) (4:52)
78. Canyon Dreams (6:22)
79. Optical Race (3:54)
V. 29/August/88 - INTERVIEW PAUL HASLINGER, WDET RADIO (21 minutes)
TAPE 8-
A:
1. Interview Paul Haslinger, WDET Radio (20:35)
Okey, it's finish. I hope that serves to someone.
Uhmmm..., also, Does someone to change copies?
Regards from Spain.
José Ramón
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Hi....Would it be possible for you to make tape copies for me? I live
in the usa. Thanks, Robert Darr
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> It would seem to this TD fan that Edgar doesn't
really care about
>what the fans would like. He has said as much on numerous
occasions. KS,
That may be true, but I wonder if what Edgar wants now is the
commercial success that has eluded him in the past. I suspect it's been
the soundtrack work that has supported him since about 1981 or so, and
since that has slacked off since about 1990, it seems now that he's
trying to sell studio records. ToB and TotT seem to be the most direct
attempts at commercial appeal. Opinions?
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> the soundtrack work that has supported him since about 1981 or so, and
> since that has slacked off since about 1990, it seems now that he's
> trying to sell studio records. ToB and TotT seem to be the most direct
> attempts at commercial appeal. Opinions?
>
> Scott
You don't think that _Dream Mixes_ was such an attempt?
Or just because it might meet with your approval, does that mean that
it's disqualified as such an attempt?
And I'm one who liked _Dream Mixes_ far more than either of the 2
aforementioned albums, as well as the successor album.
Gabe
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>You don't think that _Dream Mixes_ was such an attempt?
>Or just because it might meet with your approval, does that
mean that
>it's disqualified as such an attempt?
I forgot about Dream Mixes. Yes, I'd say it's a commercial
attempt as well. Actually I'm growing to _like_ ToB & TotT. I don't like
dance music, but I like DM. An interesting experiment, and one that
worked. However, you still haven't commented on the statement that the
recent output is an attempt at commercial appeal. . .
>And I'm one who liked _Dream Mixes_ far more than either of the
2
>aforementioned albums, as well as the successor album.
As a remix, I automatically give it a point lower than an album
of wholly original work, but I think for overall originality, I like it
better too.
Scott
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Did someone say that they have this S/T already?
Sonic Images tells me that it is still in production, and won't be ready
until October... If someone DOES have it, was it a pre-release version or
just an import....Maybe it will be like the Klemania remix-mania...(ha ha
ha)
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You don't think that _Dream Mixes_ was such an attempt?
>Or just because it might meet with your approval, does that
mean that
>it's disqualified as such an attempt?
And I'm one who liked _Dream Mixes_ far more than either of the
2
>aforementioned albums, as well as the successor album.
Again with all the sell-out/crossover talk. Do you guys really think
the Froese meister gives it that much thought? Maybe his record company, but
not him. I think the sell out/crossover bit is really in the hands of the
marketing. I for one don't see TD poster displays at my BEST BUY store. I do
see MADONNA , ELTON, etc. I think if we are to regard DREAM MIXES as an attempt
to cross over it would be due to the influence of young JEROME and not so much
Edgar. In the field of wider success I think Chris Franke has made an attempt
to do such with his scores to Celestine and the such. I mean
I for one dont think TD will have the success you speak of unless they decide
to tour the US again. It has been awhile hasn't it?
Chris/Bruno@c...
p.s. Anyone hear about the CELESTINE tv miniseries??Its in the new tv guide
preview issue. I wonder if frankes score will be used??
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Hi Phil & all,
>I've got Europa now - great album!
Thank you.
>What was the cover photo taken from? Is it Europa with some synth equipment
>superimposed and warped around the surface?
Close. It's a shot from our first concert, the strange textures are not
a moon but just smoke & lights, with bits of gear (actually mostly
Stefan Whitlan's) in the midst. And then the whole thing warped in
Paintshop. I've been waiting to use it for ages!
>Also, were you feeling a bit
>camera-shy that day? There are clear pictures of Adrian and Peter, but you
seem
>to be attracting all the smoke ;)
Well I chose the pictures...
Because I was in the middle, all of the good pics were long shots from
the side, while the others got more closeups. That's my excuse and I'm
sticking to it.
>I'm looking forward to even more AirSculpture releases in the future... When
is
>the next one likely to be?
Our current plan is to have a double CD out late this year or (more
likely) early next year - but you know what happens to plans! We have
only one track (~30 mins) finished (it was ready before Europa), but we
think we have easily enough material. We'll be basing it on the usual
studio improvs, but then doing whatever overdubs, edits etc. we feel it
needs. We want to get the energy and spontenaiety of Attrition System
but with a more polished feel.
We've just come back from the Netherlands where Cue (now renamed 'Groove
Unlimited') launched 'Truth or Dare'. Well worth checking out, it's all
collaborations between unusual pairings, inspired by the X files
(allegedly). Our track was done with Kees Aarts, there's also stuff by
Boots, Boddy, Dyson, plus a number of artists you may not have heard
(of).
JC
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> Quoted From: Wouter Bessels
>
[...]
> (Let's listen to fine live-albums like Pergamon, Poland, Encore and Ricochet
> again. That's the TD we all love, after all and these titles aren't very
> remixed or edited after the actual live-recording).
>
Huh?? I've heard that most of Quichotte pt 2 is a studio creation. And I
also heard that Ricochet is pieced together from various performances,
and that the drums on part 1 were added in the studio. (also, the fine
piano solo by Edgar pasted on the beginning of part 2) I guess Poland and
Encore are pretty much the way they were performed. (although I think
each track on Encore is from a different performance) I think these
recordings are not as 'virgin' as you thought. :-) But, yes they are very
good! (gotta love that Logos! :-) ) And believe it or not, I still listen
to 220 Volt (from the first TD tour I got to see) and Livemiles now and
then. (tho I prefer Antarktis/20th CS for listening to the Berlin 87
material; now there's some untouched live material!)
Dave Brewer
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> Did someone say that they have this S/T already?
>
> Sonic Images tells me that it is still in production, and won't be ready
> until October... If someone DOES have it, was it a pre-release version or
> just an import....Maybe it will be like the Klemania remix-mania...(ha ha
> ha)
>
> Mike J
Hello Mike and all Tadreamers.
I have now the 'Pacific Blue' directly from Sonic Images.
But, But, But, It`s not Electronic or 'Shymphonic' Music, It´s Rock and
Roll, Yes a new facet of thiss Genius man.
Jorge Moreira from Portugal (new in mailing list)
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!!! IMPORTANT RELEASE INFO !!!
'Oasis' soundtrack will be released in the US by Miramar on October 28th, 1997.
Yes - MIRAMAR! You heard it here first!
Vic
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I think I lost a post from a few days ago discussing the missing inner
artwork for CDs such as Tangram and Encore.
Was it you Grant that mentioned this?
Well, actually there is a CD release that has all the original artwork of
Tangram (the nice snow scenes) and Encore (the picture collage), and it's on
the Virgin/Victor Japanese releases. As always, why can the Japanese
release better artwork than the countries of the actual artists or origin of
release? I could never comprehend this ignorance - especially by Virgin!
By the way, I checked out 'Grunt's' webpage with the Tangram JPEG'S and his
photo - pretty cool - good job. I actually downloaded the Tangram JPEGS,
not the personal photo (sorry Grant).
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> > Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?='
> >
> >
> > Hello, friends:
> >
> > Recently I bought the 8 tapes boots box 'Optical Race Tour North
America
> > '88'. I studied it and these are the tracks with theirs times:
> >
> (...)
> > 23. House Of The Rising Sun (Simon & Garfunkel) (7:09)
>
>
>Hummm, José, did you get this 'Simon & Garfunkel' credit from the tapes?
>Because if you did, they are in error: 'House of the Rising Sun' is from
>Eric Burdon & the Animals.
Oh, pardon, sorry. In the credit don't put 'Simon & Garfunkel', only 'House
Of The Rising Sun'. Someone said me that this songs was composed by Simon &
Garfunkel. Okey, they would interpreted a version of Eric Burdon & The Animals.
Thanks you for the correction, Vincent.
Regards.
José Ramón
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>
> !!! IMPORTANT RELEASE INFO !!!
>
> 'Oasis' soundtrack will be released in the US by Miramar on October 28th,
1997.
> Yes - MIRAMAR! You heard it here first!
>
> Vic
Hmm...this makes it seem likely that they picked up the film, too.
Hoping for another Canyon Dreams success, are they?
Gabe
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>Subject: Virgin CD Artwork
>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:29:43 -0400 (EDT)
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>[. . .] actually there is a CD release that has all the original artwork
>of Tangram (the nice snow scenes) and Encore (the picture collage), and
>it's on the Virgin/Victor Japanese releases. [. . .]
Huh?!?! This, I believe, is the first time this has been mentioned,
that I know of. How'd you find out, and why didn't any of the VOICES IN
THE DUNES authors, Scott Plumer (the author of MYSTERIOUS SEMBLANCE),
Paul Stump (author of DIGITAL GOTHIC), . . . or the Ever-Ubiquitous Mark
Filipak (patent pending) ;) ever mention / found out about this???
(I've been dying (so to speak) to see what the first-press inner sleeve
to TANGRAM looks like for *years*!)
>[. . .] As always, why can the Japanese release better artwork than the
>countries of the actual artists or origin of release? I could never
>comprehend this ignorance - especially by Virgin!
Well, you see, it goes something like this: there is an unstated,
omnipresent aesthetic in Japanese culture that causes the country's
people to have -- horrors, what a concept! -- *respect* for things --
even such superficial things as pop culture detritus (it's the Japanese
who routinely collect comic strips into multi-volume hardcover sets).
-- Steven Feldman
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In a message dated 97-09-15 10:01:04 EDT, you write:
<< > It would seem to this TD fan that Edgar doesn't
really care about
>what the fans would like. He has said as much on numerous
occasions. KS,
That may be true, but I wonder if what Edgar wants now is the
commercial success that has eluded him in the past. I suspect it's been
the soundtrack work that has supported him since about 1981 or so, and
since that has slacked off since about 1990, it seems now that he's
trying to sell studio records. ToB and TotT seem to be the most direct
attempts at commercial appeal. Opinions?
Scott >>
Commercial appeal - - granted, but for what purpose? Perhaps to
satisfy Edgars ego? I don't think so. He is too old now to _begin_ a rock
n' roll career. I'm sure that he is looking ahead to the time when he hands
over the steering wheel to Jerome. It would not be inconsiderate to suggest
that he may be building up the popularity level a bit in order that the
transition from father to son would be a bit smoother. With a wider
foundation the band may be able to survive the inevitable fan loss when and
if this should occur.
Edgar has to feel something more than a little responsibility for
the welfare of his heir when he retires. I can't imagine that he would just
announce one day. 'Hey, everybody, I'm getting tired of this, so I'm
quitting. Jerome is going to have to get a _real_ job, pronto.'
Phil Naunton
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At 09:57 AM 9/15/97 -0400, Scott wrote:
> > It would seem to this TD fan that Edgar doesn't
>really care about
> >what the fans would like. He has said as much on numerous
>occasions. KS,
>
> That may be true, but I wonder if what Edgar wants now is the
>commercial success that has eluded him in the past. I suspect it's been
>the soundtrack work that has supported him since about 1981 or so, and
>since that has slacked off since about 1990, it seems now that he's
>trying to sell studio records. ToB and TotT seem to be the most direct
>attempts at commercial appeal. Opinions?
Unless I could live in Edgar's house for about 2 weeks, I would
have to guess at what his true motivation or driving energy is.
With the risk of being a bit self-disclosing here....since I will
be projecting (this is a psychological ploy whereby one invests
his/her own characteristics/feelings/thoughts upon another).
Since Edgar and I are EXACTLY the same age I may have a bit of
perspective or where he COULD be at artistically.
He spends his youth and most of his adulthood creating what he
feels is a truly significant contribution to musical history.
With a modicum of financial success, whether from the
soundtracks, or whatever. He is not the eccentric character that
Dali was. He is not fashionable and people don't come to his
parties in which swimming pools are filled with -- what -- jell
o. Or chocolate. Or whatever. He just makes music that makes his
heart sing. Or the singing of his heart makes music. Whichever...
Then as he faces his own existential angst (50 is a serious
milestone in a man's age, believe me) he looks around and sees
some folks with manes of flowing hair and a bit of talent attract
tens of thousands of screaming fans to their concerts, while he
is lucky to 'pack' the house with a few hundred. He wonders about
the reflection he sees in the mirror. The mirror of life, that
is. Where is the value? What will he be remembered by? Are the
almost hundred music releases enough? If not in the memory of
millions, does it make a difference? How about the bucks? People
with not half of his talent are raking in the cash.... may be
that's what a true measure of significance (importance) is?! He
ought to know better, but it tugs at him. His promoters tell him
tales. He buys into it. 'Unless you are imprinted in the memory
of a a hundred thousand screaming banshees, you don't exist.'
No, I don't believe this scenario is true. But it could be.
TD grabbed me sometimes in the early 70s. Phaedra, I think, was
my first. :-) Loved everything I heard for years to come. Could
hardly wait for the next album. Then, around 'Lily On the Beach'
I am told that I had better finish my dissertation or else... my
funds are running strictly to Chef Boyardee for dinner and I drop
out. From the TD scene, that is.
I re-emerge with some inchoate financial stability around 1993. I
go out I buy the newest and best. I hope. '220 Volt.' What the
he..........ll! What happened. This is disgusting. What happened
to MY Tangerine Dream. This is just a rock-and-roll band. I will
never buy another of their albums again.
But the devil makes me back-track. I become a COLLECTOR! Still
'TotT,' ToB' and 'GC' hit me wrong. But I start listening to the
stuff in chronological sequence. All over again. And to other
musicians. And I detect EVOLUTION. Not necessarily agreeable to
my old ear, but evolution nonetheless. And my ear starts
changing. I still have a special liking for the style of the mid
70s to the mid 80s (you can take the real early stuff -- Atem --
and stick it), but now I think I understand. And Tournado (and
A'dam Eve) brings it home: this is definitely TD. Evolved TD. And
the 'Mixes?' The BEST dam' driving music I ever want to hear. If
I want to listen to TD with my earphones on... gimme Ricochet.
But for sheer driving pleasure or dancing: the 'Mixes.' And maybe
the kids will start getting into this stuff if they can dance to
it. And maybe it will create some moola. So what? I wouldn't mind
if someone smacked a couple of megabucks into my palm! All those
years of research have not paid for a helluva lot of home theaters.
There is always at least one TD in the 10-CD changer. There
always will be. And sometimes it will be a post-1990. But it will
still be TD.
These are just my opinions, of course.
Kind regards to all,
AndrewR
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First of all: THANKS, Scott. I got home at 9:00 PM tonite and I
opened the package found in my mail-box. 'Mysterious Semblance: A
Tangerine Dream Chronology' is already showing signs of (ab)use
from all the page-turning. I may have to get a couple more
copies: one to have when this one wears out and another to give away.
I won't review the book. I have nothing to compare it to. This is
my very first book on TD, and it sure hits the spot.
I know: between David's discography and Klaus' boot discography,
a lot of the information is already in the archives. But there is
something reassuring about holding in my hands a bound volume of
83 pages. Clearly well-researched, it puts it all together for
me. It's about as up-to-date as November's ('97) concert schedule.
Congratulations, Scott. It is clearly the result of a labor of
love. To me, worth every single penny I paid for it.
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Really-From: Grant Middleton
> Really-From: Vic Rek
>
> I think I lost a post from a few days ago discussing the missing inner
> artwork for CDs such as Tangram and Encore.
>
> Was it you Grant that mentioned this?
Yes, it was. I've always been disappointed to get a CD with the
absolute minimum of cover artwork/photos. I'm a bit loathe to
get rid of my vinyl for this very reason (I'm taking my vinyl
copy of Rubycon to the Glasgow gig in the hope of getting it
signed by The Man).
> Well, actually there is a CD release that has all the original artwork of
> Tangram (the nice snow scenes) and Encore (the picture collage), and it's on
> the Virgin/Victor Japanese releases. As always, why can the Japanese
> release better artwork than the countries of the actual artists or origin of
> release? I could never comprehend this ignorance - especially by Virgin!
That's it in a nutshell - ignorance and lack of respect. I mean,
you only have to look at the multitude of errors on Tangents and
the SBM releases to see they don't give a damn.
> By the way, I checked out 'Grunt's' webpage with the Tangram JPEG'S and his
> photo - pretty cool - good job.
Well, that's just the first draft, keep checking back !
> I actually downloaded the Tangram JPEGS,
> not the personal photo (sorry Grant).
:'(
I'd be a bit worried if you actually HAD D/L'd it, to be
honest ! Wait 'til I get some MPEG3 audio on it. I promise
that it'll be worth downloading.
BTW, would anyone be interested in a scan of the Encore
inner sleeve artwork, the Cyclone inner sleeve or the
full complement of nebulae from Phaedra ? If there's
enough interest, I could maybe do it some time this week.
Grunt
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Subject: Thanks for the Tangram images
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Really-From: Michael Kepler
Thanks very much to Grant for putting up the Tangram images.
The funny thing is, I bought Tangram when it was a new release
LP release and my copy didn't have these very cool pictures.
Mine just had a plain white inner sleeve, and the familiar
red cover artwork with the tangram logo.
Was this a european release thing? Was a a little slow and
actually got a low-budget second pressing?
Thanks again, and put up more of those rarities, please.
I had to take down my 70-80 booklet images to make room for
other stuff on my website, but I hope to put them back up,
plus more, after I have negotiated a rate for more space
with my ISP.
Thanks,
Michael Kepler
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>Really-From: Grant Middleton
>
>
>BTW, would anyone be interested in a scan of the Encore
>inner sleeve artwork, the Cyclone inner sleeve or the
>full complement of nebulae from Phaedra ? If there's
>enough interest, I could maybe do it some time this week.
>
> Grunt
>
Yes, I'd be interested! Also could you scan the inside covers of 'Ages' and
'Macula Transfer'?
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dreamers
If anyone is dying to have the japanese tangram LP with the photo insert,
you can get one for $20 from www.vinylvendors.com (e-mail:
paul@v...) They take mc/visa and ship ups ;-( their service is
just fine and I've ordered from them before. They have lots of other
goodies as well.
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Really-From: 'Dave Lane'
'House Of The Rising Sun' wasn't composed by Simon & Garfunkel
or the Animals. It's a traditional folk tune. Bob Dylan did it
before the Animals, and he supposedly learned it from Dave Van Ronk.
I wouldn't mind hearing what TD's interpretation sounds like.
--Dave
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
> Again with all the sell-out/crossover talk. Do you
guys really think the Froese meister gives it >that much thought? Maybe
his record company, but not him. I think the sell out/crossover bit is
Did I ever say 'sell-out'? No. Am I accusing him of selling out?
Not necessarily. Trying for more commercial appeal isn't a sell-out in
my book, as long as they acknowledge it. Close, but not quite. The Sex
Pistols sold out.
Scott
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>First of all: THANKS, Scott. I got home at 9:00 PM tonite and I
Glad you enjoyed it.
Scott
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> 'House Of The Rising Sun' wasn't composed by Simon & Garfunkel..
> I wouldn't mind hearing what TD's interpretation sounds like.
It sounds like 'Optical Race' and 'Alexander Square'. They've sped it up,
bathed it in cheesy electronic percussion and played the main melody with
a flute-like sound. Fans of the Animals' version probably cringed in
horror...but I suppose you can't accuse them of not making it sound like
their own song. It fit in perfectly with what they were doing at the
time...like Purple Haze fit on 220 Volt.
I started a discussion some time ago about songs that you would *like* to
see TD do. Personally, I'm tired of Edgar's pillaging of the 60s. Maybe
he identifies with the 'everyone love your brother' vibe, but this era of
music has nothing to do with where TD is at musically these days.
Everything comes out sounding like musak. Just as Blues bands cover Blues
standards, why can't TD throw in a classic of electronic music? Or even
somthing more current. Couldn't you just picture Edgar and Jerome doing
The Chemical Brothers 'Loops of Fury?'
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Really-From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_?=
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fern=E1ndez?=
I'm writing from Spain, Can anyone help me?
I need the covers of the tangerine dream's albums:
THE MAN INSIDE
TANGERINE DREAM '70-'80 (the cover of the box)
IN THE BEGINNING (the cover of the box)
TANGERINE DREAM BOX (the cover of the box)
THE STORY OF TANGERINE DREAM (the cover of each cd)
ATMOSPHERICS
THE BRICK: THE GRAMMY NOMINATED ALBUMS (the cover of the box)
BEST OF (Canada)
If you can send them to me, very very very much!!!!!!
If you want some cover scanned of the rest of the albums, email me.
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Jerome is going to have to get a _real_ job, pronto.'
>
>Phil Naunton
>
>
JF: 'You want fries with that TD?'
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On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
>
>
> Everything comes out sounding like musak. Just as Blues bands cover Blues
> standards, why can't TD throw in a classic of electronic music? Or even
> somthing more current. Couldn't you just picture Edgar and Jerome doing
> The Chemical Brothers 'Loops of Fury?'
So Chem Bros. fans can cringe in horror? ;)
I'd like to hear 'em take a crack at the Aphex Twin's 'On'.
Or maybe 'Science Friction' by Orbital (which already sounds a bit like the
Canyon part of 'Mojave Plan')?
>
> Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
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Subject: Re: Optical Race Tour North America '88
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> Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
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> On Sep 15, 10:43am, tadream mailing list wrote:
> > Subject: Optical Race Tour North America '88
> >
> > Really-From: '=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=3DE9_Ram=3DF3n?=3D' =2Ees>
> >
> >
> > Hello, friends:
> >
> > Recently I bought the 8 tapes boots box 'Optical Race Tour North Am=
> erica
> > '88'. I studied it and these are the tracks with theirs times:
> >
> (...)
> > 23. House Of The Rising Sun (Simon & Garfunkel) (7:09)
>
>
> Hummm, Jos=E9, did you get this 'Simon & Garfunkel' credit from the tapes?
> Because if you did, they are in error: 'House of the Rising Sun' is from
> Eric Burdon & the Animals.
>
>
> C.B. Vincent Goudreault
> online since early 93, TD fan since 77
> first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
Actually, 'House of the Rising Sun' is much older than that. I know that Joan
Baez did a version before Eric Burdon & the Animals. The song has been passed
down through the American folk music scene for many, many decades such that its
true origin is probably lost to antiquity. Granted, most people identify the
song
with Eric Burdon & the Animals because of their psychedelic rock interpretation
of this folk song. (And a good one at that!)
Cheers,
-Erik
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> > Couldn't you just picture Edgar and Jerome doing
> > The Chemical Brothers 'Loops of Fury?'
>
> So Chem Bros. fans can cringe in horror? ;)
Okay...bad example! All the same, I think electonica is a better mate for
TD than classic rock. Exhibit A: Dream Mixes.
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>Subject: Re: Virgin CD Artwork
>Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:52:39 -0400 (EDT)
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>>Really-From: Grant Middleton
>>
>>BTW, would anyone be interested in a scan of the Encore
>>inner sleeve artwork, the Cyclone inner sleeve or the
>>full complement of nebulae from Phaedra ? If there's
>>enough interest, I could maybe do it some time this week.
>
>Yes, I'd be interested! Also could you scan the inside covers of
>'Ages' and 'Macula Transfer'?
And while we're at it, there's a shitload of color photos on the
cardstock inner sleeve to original UK copies of Edgar's STUNTMAN LP!
Anyone feel like revving up their scanner for some of *these*? They
are rather small, so even if there was/is a Japanese CD, the pictures
would all be way too small to be able to really see anything on one of
them.
-- Steven Feldman
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In a message dated 97-09-16 18:06:30 EDT, you write:
<<
>>BTW, would anyone be interested in a scan of the Encore
>>inner sleeve artwork, the Cyclone inner sleeve or the
>>full complement of nebulae from Phaedra ? If there's
>>enough interest, I could maybe do it some time this week.
> >>
I'd be interested too! Please do!
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I hate having to do this, but...
The following people bid for items from my auction, and have not only
failed to send the money but have ignored several requests for reply.
Therfore, their bids are forfiet, and they will no longer be allowed to
trade with me, or others I know who take this stuff seriously:
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TangerineC@a...
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>Really-From: Grant Middleton
>
>
>Yes, it was. I've always been disappointed to get a CD with the
>absolute minimum of cover artwork/photos. I'm a bit loathe to
>get rid of my vinyl for this very reason (I'm taking my vinyl
>copy of Rubycon to the Glasgow gig in the hope of getting it
>signed by The Man).
>
>> Well, actually there is a CD release that has all the original artwork of
>> Tangram (the nice snow scenes) and Encore (the picture collage), and it's on
>> the Virgin/Victor Japanese releases. As always, why can the Japanese
>> release better artwork than the countries of the actual artists or origin of
>> release? I could never comprehend this ignorance - especially by Virgin!
>
>That's it in a nutshell - ignorance and lack of respect. I mean,
>you only have to look at the multitude of errors on Tangents and
>the SBM releases to see they don't give a damn.
>
>
Actually, it looks like we always get torn between two choices: Japanese CD
with faithfully recovered LP inner sleeve photos and detailed liner notes
for higher price(sometimes more than $10!), or imported ones from other
countries with only plain, thin-like-a-piece-of-wafer cover image. It surely
depends on customer's preference. As for me, after the long thought in front
of those CD's, I would rather have chosen the latter, the reason for which
is clear: MONEY :-<
Hey Grant, the Tangram photos on your site were so cool!!! Keep going!!!!
jinsuk Kim
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Subject: US Subscribers: Windspell is having a sale, but HURRY!
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Commercial plug follows, but it is just to help you folks save some coin.
Doing this as a service to you, no profit to be gained by me for doing
this...
I found a flyer in the mailbox yesterday from Windspell Music (y'know, Mike
Garrisons' business?). Now through the end of this week, he is blowing out
all of his inventory to make way for new releases, get ready for the
holiday season, be able to devote some time to his next release, etc, etc.
He is knocking anywhere from two to eight dollars off of his stock, but
only through this Friday. If you want to flesh out your collection or try a
new artist or two, give him a buzz pronto! If you don't have one of his
catalogs, just ask him what you are looking for. Tell him you heard about
it from the TD or GoldTri mailing list...
Phone number is 1-800-597-WIND.
Happy hunting!
Craig 'Ship' Shipley
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
>
>
> > > Couldn't you just picture Edgar and Jerome doing
> > > The Chemical Brothers 'Loops of Fury?'
> >
> > So Chem Bros. fans can cringe in horror? ;)
>
> Okay...bad example! All the same, I think electonica is a better mate for
> TD than classic rock. Exhibit A: Dream Mixes.
Well, I think that TD could do a half-decent job (and maybe improve?)
'Astronomy Domine'. I don't think it's that they can't/shouldn't do
classic rock, just that their choices were pretty bad. They had a winner
in 'Purple Haze' IMO, but the other stuff they've covered hasn't been too
impressive.
Or how about....
(Gabe visulalizes Ed and Jerome coming on stage with their hair tied in
dreadlocks....)
'ey, stand up fo' jah rights, mon! ;) ;)
> Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
> http://www.topix.com/~sean
>
Gabe
who anxiously awaits and has high hopes for Dream Mixes 2
and learned to tolerate (and maybe enjoy) reggae this summer
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In a message dated 97-09-16 06:31:53 EDT, you write:
<< > > 23. House Of The Rising Sun (Simon & Garfunkel) (7:09)
>
>
>Hummm, José, did you get this 'Simon & Garfunkel' credit from the tapes?
>Because if you did, they are in error: 'House of the Rising Sun' is from
>Eric Burdon & the Animals. >>
I'm not positive about this information, but I think this song was
written by Buffy St. Marie back in the early Sixties. It was Folk Music back
then and sounded like it. The original song was about a prostitute in 'The
House Of The Rising Sun'.
'It's been the ruin of many a poor _girl_ (!).......'
The Burdon rendition has always bothered me because prostitution
doesn't ruin that many _boys_. And those few probably get over it. ;-)
Phil Naunton
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In a message dated 97-09-16 23:45:37 EDT, you write:
<<
I hate having to do this, but...
The following people bid for items from my auction, and have not only
failed to send the money but have ignored several requests for reply.
Therfore, their bids are forfiet, and they will no longer be allowed to
trade with me, or others I know who take this stuff seriously:
robert@i... ('Robert Schmenger')
TangerineC@a... >>
So why make this evident on the TD list? No one gives a shit who did'nt pay!
You should have e-mailed these people privately. And maybe, possibly, did you
ever stop to think I did'nt get your e-mails because I was away and could'nt
get online? I guess not.
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Subject: pictures
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Hi,
I put the pictures of the 70-80 box set booklet on a web page at
http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/td/td7080.html
There are actually much more pictures in this booklet.
It would be cool to have the pics of the Encore and - especially -
Cyclone inner sleeve as well. For the Cyclone pic: scan it in
big big format in high res!!!!!
I'll try to get the inner sleeve of 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale'
signed by Jerome. I'm curious about his reaction...
cheers
armin
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>
>Hi,
>
>I put the pictures of the 70-80 box set booklet on a web page at
>http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/td/td7080.html
>There are actually much more pictures in this booklet.
>
>It would be cool to have the pics of the Encore and - especially -
>Cyclone inner sleeve as well. For the Cyclone pic: scan it in
>big big format in high res!!!!!
>
>I'll try to get the inner sleeve of 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale'
>signed by Jerome. I'm curious about his reaction...
>
>
>cheers
>
>armin
>
>
Hmm... has anyone ever considered the fact whether it is legal or not to
publish
those pictures in www-pages...? Aren't they under the copyright laws just like
any other written, drawn, taped or otherwise published material....?
_____________________________________________________________________
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Date: Wed Sep 17, 1997 11:47
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Subject: RARE SINGLE ON SALE
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Really-From: 'LUIS F. TORRE LAVIN'
Hi,
I have a rare promo white label Spanish single with J.M. Jarre performing.
JEREMIAH AND THE SLAGS: Slag
THE SUPERFLY: Zig-Zag (the instrumental version)
It was released early in 1973 for promotional purposes. The A-side is
played by 2 TRIANGLE members with Jarre on keyboards and production.
The B-side (Zig-Zag) is the famous Superfly version of Zig-Zag. This piece
is also included in the bootleg CD RARITIES 2, but the SLAG piece is not
available on any CD, as far as I know. It is very similar to Zig Zag, but
I think it is far better, in terms of production and music quality.
THE COVER OF THIS SINGLE IS FEATURED IN THE RARITIES 2 BOKKLET (but the
colour is not yellow. It is almost grey)
Besides this rare single, I am willing to trade-sell my whole JARRE
collection, including bootlegs, original LPs and CDs.
Write me if you are interested.
BYE
LFT
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Date: Wed Sep 17, 1997 8:58
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Subject: Re: Virgin CD Artwork
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Really-From: Grant Middleton
> Really-From: Vic Rek
>
> >Really-From: Grant Middleton
> >
> >BTW, would anyone be interested in a scan of the Encore
> >inner sleeve artwork, the Cyclone inner sleeve or the
> >full complement of nebulae from Phaedra ?
>
> Yes, I'd be interested!
OK, I'll try and get them scanned and uploaded some time
this week, hopefully (only so many hours in the day, and
all that...).
> Also could you scan the inside covers of 'Ages' and
> 'Macula Transfer'?
I'm afraid I don't have either of these on vinyl. If
anyone wants to send me the scans by e-mail I could
upload them onto my web site, though.
Grunt
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> > Okay...bad example! All the same, I think electonica is a better mate for
> > TD than classic rock. Exhibit A: Dream Mixes.
I think TD just don't 'get' the whole dance scene. Dream mixes is
dull, dull, dull when compared to the Chemical Bros, the Prodigy,
Fluke, Underworld, etc.
> Or how about....
>
> (Gabe visulalizes Ed and Jerome coming on stage with their hair tied in
> dreadlocks....)
>
> 'ey, stand up fo' jah rights, mon! ;) ;)
Now this isn't too bad an idea, in truth. Reggae was responsible
for 'dub', which was one of the most important elements in much
of the trance/ambient scene. Both of the Froeses are pretty loose
and laid-back in their playing, too; I think even a 50-something
Edgar could summon enough strength to 'skank his axe' on the off-
beat.
Jah power !
Grunt
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Really-From: 'LUIS F. TORRE LAVIN'
Solo para publico espanol....
COMPRA-VENTA-INTERCAMBIO DE MATERIAL PROGRESIVO:
Si tienes material raro, inedito o interesante de VANGELIS, JARRE,
OLDFIELD o rock progresivo-sinfonico-electronico en general, mandame tu
catalogo (SINGLES, PROMOS, BOOTLEGS, VIDEOS,...)
Compro singles espanoles de YES (y cercanos), tanto normales como promo,
solo en buen estado. Bien Pagaos!!. TAMBIEN LPS de VANGELIS y singles.
Aqui va mi lista de Vangelis por ahora. Pocas copias de cada ejemplar, por
lo general una de los vinilos.
VANGELIS EN VENTA/INTERCAMBIO:
CD SEX POWER. Odyssey ALE 1970/1997. 3900 Ptas
LP HYPOTHESIS. Affinity/Auvi ESP 1971/1978. 5600 Ptas
CD HYPOTHESIS. Odyssey ALE 1971/1997. 3900 Ptas
LP THE DRAGON. Charly/Auvi ESP 1971/1980. 6400 Ptas
CD THE DRAGON. Odyssey ALE 1971/1997. 3900 Ptas
LP FAIS QUE TON REVE SOIT PLUS LONG QUE LA NUIT. WEA/Reprise FR1971/1979.
CD FAIS QUE TON REVE SOIT PLUS LONG QUE LA NUIT. Odyssey ALE 1971/97.3900
LP LAPOCALYPSE DES ANIMAUX. Polydor ESP 1973/1980. 1000 Ptas
LP EARTH. Vertigo FR 1973 (reedicion???). 15000 Ptas
CD EARTH. HF ALE 1973/1995. 3000 Ptas
CD EARTH. Odyssey ALE 1973/1997. 3900 Ptas
CD LA FETE SAUVAGE/ENTENDS-TU LES CHIENS ABOYER?. CAM/SONY ESP 1997 1200 P
LP HEAVEN AND HELL. RCA ESP 1976. 400 Ptas
CD THE SKY AND HIS SHADOW (JON ANDERSON). Underworld FR 1975/1996. 2900 P
LP LA FETE SAUVAGE. CAM ESP 1976/1979. 1200 Ptas
LP ALBEDO 0.39. RCA ESP 1976. 600 Ptas
CD ALBEDO 0.30. RCA/BMG. 1200 Ptas
CD IGNACIO. USA Barcley 1977. 1500 Ptas
LP SPIRAL. RCA ESP 1978. 700 Ptas
LP BEAUBOURG. RCA ESP 1978. 600 Ptas
CD ODES. Spheric/Polydor 1978. 1600 Ptas
LP THE BEST OF VANGELIS. RCA ESP 1978. 1000 Ptas
LP CHINA. Polydor ESP 1979. 3600 Ptas
LP SHORT STORIES. Polydor ESP 1980. 1600 Ptas
LP SEE YOU LATER. Polydor ESP 1980. 1300 Ptas
LP CHARIOTS OF FIRE. Polydor ESP 1981. 1000 ptas
LP THE FRIENDS OF MR CAIRO. Polydor ESP 1982. 1300 Ptas
CD GREATEST HITS (2CDs). RCA/BMG ALE 1981/91. 3400 Ptas
CD BLADE RUNNER (bootleg). Odyssey ALE 1982/1997. 3900 Ptas
LP PRIVATE COLLECTION. Polydor ESP 1983. 1400 Ptas
LP ANTARCTICA. Polydor ESP 1983/88. 1700 ptas
LP SOIL FESTIVITIES. Polydor ESP 1984. 1300 Ptas
LP THE BEST OF J&V. Polydor ESP 1984. 1400 Ptas
CD THE BEST OF J&V. Polydor ALE. 1300 Ptas
LP MASK. Polydor ESp 1985. 1300 Ptas
LP DIRECT. Arista ESP 1988. 900 Ptas
CD DIRECT. Arista ALE 1988. 1500 Ptas
LP THEMES. Polydor ESP 1989. 800 Ptas
LP THE CITY. Warner ALE 1990. 1400 Ptas
CD THE CITY. Warner ALE 1990. 1300 Ptas
CD HYMNE. Polygram/Planeta 1992. ???? Ptas
CD 1492. Warner ALE 1992. 2200 Ptas
CD BLADE RUNNER. Warner ALE 1994. 2000 Ptas
CD VOICES. Warner ALE 1995.2000 Ptas
CD A TRIBUTE TO EL GRECO. Odyssey ALE 1995/97. 3900 Ptas
CD PORTRAITS. Polydor ALE 1996. 2700 Ptas
CD OCEANIC. Warner ALE 1996. 1000 Ptas
CD HIGH IN THE SKY (2CDs). Odyssey ALE 1997. 6500 Ptas
Singles:
Heaven And Hell Part1
mas la proxima vez...
saludos
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tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
>
> I hate having to do this, but...
If you hat it don't do it.
> The following people bid for items from my auction, and have not only
> failed to send the money but have ignored several requests for reply.
I agree with tangerine@a..., there are a bunch of reasons why a trade could
go
wrong, and this is an accepted risk when doing trades, at least for me. This
forum
is not the proper place to accuse somebody and become judge and executioner at
the
same time.
> Therfore, their bids are forfiet, and they will no longer be allowed to
> trade with me, or others I know who take this stuff seriously:
It's too arrogant from your side to say this. Are you the Key master ?
Seriously sorry for the flame, but I hate black lists and don't like everyone to
promote them.
> The moral is; Honor your commitments...or at least communicate!
>
The moral is do your business privately, don't judge and you don't be
judged,Don't use black lists, don't allow others to do it. Dialog is better than
swords.
---Francisco
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Date: Wed Sep 17, 1997 4:51
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Subject: Scan and See
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Really-From: FredYargui@a...
Hi, everybodreamers!
There is plenty pictures featuring in the LP and not the CD:
In the beginning (6 LP box set)
atem (verso : lineup)
zeit (inner sleeve in COLOR!)
alpha centauri / atem (inner sleeve)
risky business (verso)
near dark (verso : 5 pics)
legend (verso : 3 pics + brian ferry)
wuivend riet (verso : johannes with hands in his pockets)
3 o'clock high (verso : 12 pics)
poland (5 pics on the thin sleeves)
solo (edgar best of '74-'79)
I've got an A4 scanner ... not very simple to scan 2x30 cm for the inner
sleeves but no problem with the rest.
Is anybody interested?
I may construct my own web page but somebody may tell me the fastest way to
do it (e-mail me and you'll be my teacher! all a program!)
thanks for each answer (please e-mail offlist)
regards to all.
fred
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Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@c...>
Hey folks,
Now here's one that snuck up and blindsided us! Check out the Voiceprint UK
Web site for yet another TDI release. Anyone out there have any idea what
this is? Looks like a German TV show or film?
Funny that TD didn't even mention this on their homepage yet....
--John
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Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor (1997) £ 12.95
Originalmusik: Tangerine Dream
Track Listing
1. Haus der Welt I
2 ' 24 '
2. Ein Traum
2 ' 55 '
3. Am Hafen
3 ' 11 '
4. Unheimliches passiert
5 ' 16 '
5. Der Professor
3 ' 00 '
6. Das Buch Midrad
4 ' 22 '
7. In der Bibliothek
6 ' 08 '
8. Der Heliograph
2 ' 28 '
9. Die Helden der Stadt
5 ' 04 '
10. Im Labor
1 ' 46 '
11. Haus der Welt II
6 ' 25 '
total playing time : 42 ' 59'
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
dreamers
I'm looking for a copy of the wavelength pirate CD (pink color?)
please email me off-list, thanks
lars
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Really-From: Jorge Moreira
Olá Luis.
É mesmo só para público espanol?
E para os portugueses não é?
Um Abraço,
Jorge Moreira.
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> Really-From: 'LUIS F. TORRE LAVIN'
>
> Solo para publico espanol....
>
> COMPRA-VENTA-INTERCAMBIO DE MATERIAL PROGRESIVO:
>
> Si tienes material raro, inedito o interesante de VANGELIS, JARRE,
> OLDFIELD o rock progresivo-sinfonico-electronico en general, mandame tu
> catalogo (SINGLES, PROMOS, BOOTLEGS, VIDEOS,...)
>
> Compro singles espanoles de YES (y cercanos), tanto normales como promo,
> solo en buen estado. Bien Pagaos!!. TAMBIEN LPS de VANGELIS y singles.
>
> Aqui va mi lista de Vangelis por ahora. Pocas copias de cada ejemplar, por
> lo general una de los vinilos.
>
> VANGELIS EN VENTA/INTERCAMBIO:
>
> CD SEX POWER. Odyssey ALE 1970/1997. 3900 Ptas
> LP HYPOTHESIS. Affinity/Auvi ESP 1971/1978. 5600 Ptas
> CD HYPOTHESIS. Odyssey ALE 1971/1997. 3900 Ptas
> LP THE DRAGON. Charly/Auvi ESP 1971/1980. 6400 Ptas
> CD THE DRAGON. Odyssey ALE 1971/1997. 3900 Ptas
> LP FAIS QUE TON REVE SOIT PLUS LONG QUE LA NUIT. WEA/Reprise FR1971/1979.
> CD FAIS QUE TON REVE SOIT PLUS LONG QUE LA NUIT. Odyssey ALE 1971/97.3900
> LP LAPOCALYPSE DES ANIMAUX. Polydor ESP 1973/1980. 1000 Ptas
> LP EARTH. Vertigo FR 1973 (reedicion???). 15000 Ptas
> CD EARTH. HF ALE 1973/1995. 3000 Ptas
> CD EARTH. Odyssey ALE 1973/1997. 3900 Ptas
> CD LA FETE SAUVAGE/ENTENDS-TU LES CHIENS ABOYER?. CAM/SONY ESP 1997 1200 P
> LP HEAVEN AND HELL. RCA ESP 1976. 400 Ptas
> CD THE SKY AND HIS SHADOW (JON ANDERSON). Underworld FR 1975/1996. 2900 P
> LP LA FETE SAUVAGE. CAM ESP 1976/1979. 1200 Ptas
> LP ALBEDO 0.39. RCA ESP 1976. 600 Ptas
> CD ALBEDO 0.30. RCA/BMG. 1200 Ptas
> CD IGNACIO. USA Barcley 1977. 1500 Ptas
> LP SPIRAL. RCA ESP 1978. 700 Ptas
> LP BEAUBOURG. RCA ESP 1978. 600 Ptas
> CD ODES. Spheric/Polydor 1978. 1600 Ptas
> LP THE BEST OF VANGELIS. RCA ESP 1978. 1000 Ptas
> LP CHINA. Polydor ESP 1979. 3600 Ptas
> LP SHORT STORIES. Polydor ESP 1980. 1600 Ptas
> LP SEE YOU LATER. Polydor ESP 1980. 1300 Ptas
> LP CHARIOTS OF FIRE. Polydor ESP 1981. 1000 ptas
> LP THE FRIENDS OF MR CAIRO. Polydor ESP 1982. 1300 Ptas
> CD GREATEST HITS (2CDs). RCA/BMG ALE 1981/91. 3400 Ptas
> CD BLADE RUNNER (bootleg). Odyssey ALE 1982/1997. 3900 Ptas
> LP PRIVATE COLLECTION. Polydor ESP 1983. 1400 Ptas
> LP ANTARCTICA. Polydor ESP 1983/88. 1700 ptas
> LP SOIL FESTIVITIES. Polydor ESP 1984. 1300 Ptas
> LP THE BEST OF J&V. Polydor ESP 1984. 1400 Ptas
> CD THE BEST OF J&V. Polydor ALE. 1300 Ptas
> LP MASK. Polydor ESp 1985. 1300 Ptas
> LP DIRECT. Arista ESP 1988. 900 Ptas
> CD DIRECT. Arista ALE 1988. 1500 Ptas
> LP THEMES. Polydor ESP 1989. 800 Ptas
> LP THE CITY. Warner ALE 1990. 1400 Ptas
> CD THE CITY. Warner ALE 1990. 1300 Ptas
> CD HYMNE. Polygram/Planeta 1992. ???? Ptas
> CD 1492. Warner ALE 1992. 2200 Ptas
> CD BLADE RUNNER. Warner ALE 1994. 2000 Ptas
> CD VOICES. Warner ALE 1995.2000 Ptas
> CD A TRIBUTE TO EL GRECO. Odyssey ALE 1995/97. 3900 Ptas
> CD PORTRAITS. Polydor ALE 1996. 2700 Ptas
> CD OCEANIC. Warner ALE 1996. 1000 Ptas
> CD HIGH IN THE SKY (2CDs). Odyssey ALE 1997. 6500 Ptas
>
> Singles:
>
> Heaven And Hell Part1
> mas la proxima vez...
> saludos
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
I just wanted to thank all the tadreamers out there for the fine reading, and
also for all the information bout my fav group. I never had the chance to come
across any rare tapes/cds before and now I have several thanks to you fine
folks!!!
again just a quick thanks. By the way, does anyone have any info on how to get
a copy of this park is mine or the soldier in their original video /laser
packaging, perhaps a copy to sell even(tho originals are preferred). I have
several of their other films on laser and would be glad to copy any of em for
you guys. thanks!
chris
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Really-From: TangerineC@a...
what is the difference between the real release and the pirate cd?
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Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
Greetings all-
>Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
>> Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
>>
>> I hate having to do this, but...
>
>If you hat it don't do it.
I hate doing dishes, too, but if I don't do them they don't get done. In
the same respect, if I don't hold someone accountable, in whatever manner
seems appropriate to the situation, then others may suffer the same fate.
And judging from what I've heard privately, my response was dead on.
>> The following people bid for items from my auction, and have not only
>> failed to send the money but have ignored several requests for reply.
>
>I agree with tangerine@a..., there are a bunch of reasons why a trade
>could go
>wrong, and this is an accepted risk when doing trades, at least for me.
>This forum
>is not the proper place to accuse somebody and become judge and
>executioner at the
>same time.
Here is the text of the final message sent to both on 9/1/97:
++++
Hello-
I still haven't received your payment for the item bid on, nor have I heard
from you otherwise. If there's a question or a problem, please let me know.
Believe me, I'll understand! Otherwise, if I haven't heard from you by next
Sat., I'll consider the bid forfiet, and repost the item for sale.
++++
This was after at least two previous e-mails to each. As you can see I
asked for dialog, and would've understood any difficulties on their end.
And since TangerineC has posted to this list during this time, I find it
difficult to believe that he didn't get any of the messages.
>> Therfore, their bids are forfiet, and they will no longer be allowed to
>> trade with me, or others I know who take this stuff seriously:
>
>It's too arrogant from your side to say this. Are you the Key master ?
No, but in the trading community _no one_ deals with a bad trader. So
where's the arrogance in stating simple fact?
>Seriously sorry for the flame, but I hate black lists and don't like
>everyone to
>promote them.
I don't like them either, but would you rather be burned or warned?
>> The moral is; Honor your commitments...or at least communicate!
>>
>
>The moral is do your business privately, don't judge and you don't be
>judged,Don't use black lists, don't allow others to do it. Dialog is
>better than
>swords.
See above as regards dialog. And believe me, I expect to be held to the
same standard as I promote.
goozer
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Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
Greetings all!
I may have found a source for acquiring this disc! E-mail me _privately off
list_ for details...
goozer
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Subject: Re: RARE SINGLE ON SALE
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Really-From: 'Donald A. Fennimore'
On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, LUIS F. TORRE LAVIN wrote:
I don't usually crosspost but today I'll make an exception. Earlier this
year I got majorly burned in a trade with this guy. If you want the
details, send me a private e-mail and I'll tell you about it.
In short, beware.
Cheers,
Don
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Subject: Movies
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Really-From: Ian Shillingford
Previously on TADREAM...
>Also ,how many of you guys collect the films themselves. TD always seems
to >be mentioned on my laser sleeves and video sleeves of the films. I
personally >think FLASHPOINT on laser in simulated surround on a 53 inch is
heaven, but >then again anything with em is!
> Thanks again
for all the fine reading!
> Christopher
> bruno@c...
Well, I enjoy The Keep quite a bit (I keep thinking Lance Hendrikson would
be perfect as the Keeper). I guess the Jerry Goldsmith version of Legend
wouldn't count!
The others, especially Sorcerer and The Park is Mine, I'd like to see but
aren't easily found - and probably won't appear on TV here.
Oh well, I'll keep looking.
-Ian
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Date: Thu Sep 18, 1997 1:57
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Subject: Redshift copies still available
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Really-From: PhilPDX@a...
For those of you recently complaining that the first Redshift disc is out of
print, I just received my copy today from Backroads (see Ash? I DO put my
money where my mouth is! :-) 1-800-767-4748
I don't know how many they have left. It sure sounds good, though.
Phil Derby
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Subject: Tournado Available in the States
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Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
As of Sept.30, 1997 Minette Music will have Tangerine Dream's Tournado
CD available.
The cost including shipping will be $15.98.This price will be good thru
Oct. 30,1997.
Contact Dave at 1-505-882-4830.
Enjoy,
Robert
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Really-From: Michael Kepler
Regarding the 70-80 booklet photos.
Hey, those are my scans. Thank you very much for putting them up
on your site. I couldn't keep them up on mine because of webspace
limitations. I was hoping someone would do this, but I didn't want
to suggest it for fear of alerting the copyright police.
To the image copyright police: Yes, it's probably technically illegal,
but... the world is full of people practicing conditional ethics and
this almost certainly includes yourself. Ask yourself this: who is
being hurt by someone posting some photos to the web which haven't been
printed/published in _over_ 15 _years_? The answer: nobody.
This is just a few hardcore fans trading rare artifacts of their
shared object of interest. Nobody is making or losing any money
here.
Regarding 'bad traders'
Just casting my vote with the others: that was a tacky tactic.
For goodness sakes, you make it sound like these people stole something
from you! They never received anything from you and they owe you
nothing.
A bad trader is someone who receives something in trade but never
sends the item the offered in return. The cases you are citing
are not of this nature.
And have some patience. I'm involved in a number of trades that
have been in progress for _months_. People have jobs and lives and
can't always make as much time as they would like for following
through on things like trades.
There is one guy I sent a tape to and he took _several_ months to send
me back the tape he had offered. I could have publicly trashed his
reputation and burned my bridges with him, but instead I was patient
and the tape I finally got was _well_ worth the wait. And there's
stuff I'm way behind in sending out to a couple of people, but they're
cutting me some slack, too.
So my bottom line here to the copyright police and the trader police:
don't worry, be happy, and be nice
Michael Kepler
P.S. Yes, Rob, most patient man in the world, I remember what I owe you.
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Subject: New Virgin inner sleeve scans
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Really-From: Grant Middleton
Ok people,
Point your browsers at :-
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9240/
I've updated the index page, so if your browser has a
cache, you might need to hit the 'reload' button if
you've been there recently.
In the DOWNLOAD AREA you'll find scans from the inner
sleeves of Cyclone, Encore, Phaedra and Tangram. They
are scanned left to right in incresing numbers (my scanner
is just A4 sized).
I've also uploaded a couple of segments from my CD in
MPEG3 format. Please try them out so I can tell if the
encoding process worked correctly.
As ever, enjoy !
Grunt
PS I'd love to see Jerome's face if he signed 'Epsilon',
too ! We could all bring our copies of it to the Glasgow
gig for a laugh. :-)
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>
>Ok people,
>
>Point your browsers at :-
>
> http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9240/
>
Hey Grant, you did a good job!!! Guest what I'm doing. I'm stitching the
downloaded images into original sleeve picture using Photoshop. But it's not
easy as you might think. It's like a hard-to-solve tangram :-)
And, who was the first to visit his homepage after he attached visiter
counter? I was the 3rd :-)
jinsuk Kim
jindor@m...
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> Really-From: jinsuk Kim
Pardon my ignorance, but should I refer to you as 'jinsuk'
or as 'Kim' ?
> Hey Grant, you did a good job!!!
Well, thank you. It's a labour of love !
> Guest what I'm doing. I'm stitching the
> downloaded images into original sleeve picture
> using Photoshop. But it's not
> easy as you might think.
I shied away from that task after thinking about how
'easy' it would be ! :-( Best of luck to you !
> And, who was the first to visit his homepage after he attached visiter
> counter? I was the 3rd :-)
I was visitor #2, as my first 'visit' to the counter was
when I initialised it ! So you were the first 'real'
visitor to my updated site ! That means you get a free
coupon book with 10% savings on potatoes, chicken nuggets
and baked beans. Redeemable any time after the year 2010.
Come on, people, let's see how high we can make the counter !
GeoCities might give me more Web space (currently, I've got
2Mb) if they see that the site is popular. That means even
more space for scans, MPEG3 audio, MIDI files, interviews,
etc.
Grunt
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Subject: Re: New Virgin inner sleeve scans
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
-------------
> Really-From: Grant Middleton
> Come on, people, let's see how high we can make the counter !
> GeoCities might give me more Web space (currently, I've got
> 2Mb) if they see that the site is popular. That means even
> more space for scans, MPEG3 audio, MIDI files, interviews,
> etc.
Well since you need a bit of help I suggest everybody who goes there to
RELOAD 10 times and then every visit count as 10. ;-])
Serieously, I've bell nr 11 and 12 ( i did reload once)
Thanks for the images. I'll have a surprise for everybody in the form of
a mp3 wave file of an unreleased encore.( maybe this afternoon)
---Francisco
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Subject: Paris Edge or Cliffs of Sydney
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Really-From: Vic Rek
A CD-R is out called 'Paris 'Edge'. It states live 1986, so I assume it's
from the March 31, 1986 show at Olympique, Paris, France.
The CD-R comes with a color front insert (not impressive), and no tray
insert. The disc itself has very minimal information printed on it. The
sound quality is very very good, but it looks like a
re-issue/consolidation/re-hash of Disk 3 from '3 Tier Dream' and '3 Tier
Dream on!'.
Now a question:
The '3 tier Dream On!' CD boot states on the back insert that it is a
'pre-release version of 'Cliffs of Sydney''. So is this 'Paris Edge' CD-R
the 'Cliffs of Sydney' I have heard about or mentioned on the back of '3
Tier Dream On!'? I'm very curious.
I would appreciate any additional release information on these CD-Rs, such
as country of origin and number of copies issued, etc.
Thanks,
Vic
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Date: Thu Sep 18, 1997 2:29
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Subject: a'dam eve
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
I've got one copy of the 2cdr 'a'dam eve' to sell or trade -- if anyone is
interested, please contact me OFF LIST for details. This 2CDR is limited
to 33 numbered copies & has the full 4.20.97 amsterdam concert on it
(including the vintage set) and great artwork.
lars
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Date: Thu Sep 18, 1997 2:29
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Subject: TD in utero
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
dreamers
I'm looking for suggestions for TD (and related e-music) to play to a baby
in utero.
Before you think I'm nuts, let me say there is evidence that suggests
playing music during pregnancy (beginning at the end of the 4th month or
early 5th when hearing develops) seems to help brain development. Once
babies begin to hear, some researchers suggests, they also begin the
language acquisition process and the brain becomes familiar with the sounds
of its environment long before birth.
A Russian researcher and an American researcher have both experimented with
this for at least 10 years. The Russian plays classical music and the
American uses a set of tapes based on the sound of the mother's heart
beating (the first sound the baby hears); each tape adds progressively more
complex permutations of the heartbeat rhythm that are mathematically based;
here, it is the rhythm that is thought important. Both have had similar
results and some think that it is just aural stimulation of any sort that
helps. I personally believe there is something to the idea of music and
rhythm that helps hardwire the brain more effectively. I also tend to
agree with the suggestion that it is repetitivity (playing the same
material or a slight variation of it each time) that helps the brain slowly
develop the hardwiring necessary to digest it.
With this in mind, to our first child, we played Michael Shreeve's Transfer
Station Blue (talk about rhythmic complexity!) and TD's Force Majeure.
It's probably impossible to know if it had any effect on him although his
language skills are very advanced for his age (2) which is what both the
Russian and American researcher found in their long-term studies.
Our methodology was to play the tape in a small handheld player resting on
my wife's abdomen each evening throughout the last 5 months of her
pregnancy at roughly the same time. We noticed that our son really
responded to the music and became really active, sometimes even kicking the
tape player off of her... Since joining us on the outside, he hasn't yet
shown any affinity for E-music and is into Pooh and the Lion King
soundtracks now; when he comes home from day care, he often points to the
stereo (usually playing TD) and says 'want it off!' Oh well, what's a dad
to do?
Anyway, we'd like to try this again with our next one (in his/her fourth
month in utero now) and I thought we might try to make a different tape
this time so I'm asking you listees for suggestions. Has anyone else tried
this? If so, do you have any comments?
A few guidelines for making suggestions:
-- The real early stuff (EM-Phaedra) is out since it lacks any readily
definable rhythm (or enough of one) and much of the finer sounds may be
lost 'in transmission' (remember, to the baby, this will probably sound
like a bad fan-tape recorded deep inside someone's pack back;-) I also
think that it should be simple enough to grasp the 'concept' of it as a
unique sound construct quickly and to be able to focus on it (and
eventually to recognize it) each time.
I think the longer pieces would work better but am not against stringing
together a compiliation of rhythmically similar but shorter pieces. I'd
also like to stay away from 'darker' music (Schulze's Moondawn, a personal
favorite, comes to mind as something I'd personally rule out).
So, dreamers, any suggestions? Post them to the list (unless someone
objects) or off-list. I'll post the results in about 4-6 weeks and let you
know what made the cut.
thanks
lars
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> Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
>
> Well since you need a bit of help I suggest everybody who goes there to
> RELOAD 10 times and then every visit count as 10. ;-])
Unfortunately, GeoCities only count one visit from a node
every half hour, so it doesn't matter how many times you
reload within that time. Nice thought, though ! :-)
Grunt
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Dear Graf, please give me a sign.
Your AOL e-mail address seems to be dead.
Thank you for understanding !
Bogdan,Romania
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In a message dated 97-09-17 21:47:35 EDT, you write:
<< hate doing dishes, too, but if I don't do them they don't get done. In
the same respect, if I don't hold someone accountable, in whatever manner
seems appropriate to the situation, then others may suffer the same fate.
And judging from what I've heard privately, my response was dead on.
>>
Really? what have you heard? Who was the little weasel on this list? since
your giving out names, you can tell me.
Obviously you did'nt talk to everyone on this list I did business with. I
sent them there money within that week. So I would say i'm good for the
money.
<>
Well i'm glad you stand for quality, as the illegal material you were
selling. ;) Such high standards for a guy who auctions bootlegs. Let's get
seriuos now, o.k.? Jeezzz!!!! It's not like it's the end of the world. Take a
vacation. You'll find someone else quick to buy it, i'm sure. Although, i've
found it ten dollars cheaper than what you were selling it for.
And now because of the mudslinging you started(Goozer), I must apologize to
the TD list for going off the topic. I had to take action, if my name is
being badmouthed. And I want everyone to know on this list that if they have
something I want, I buy it. I've done many transactions with people on this
list and it went fine. Goozer just needs to take life a little less
seriously. The End.
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Subject: House o/t Rising Son again
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From my Phonolog of 1990: Writing credits for HotRS: Dylan credited to Dylan.
Animals credited to Alan Price (who I think played kb for awhile)
Most of the folkies credits to Ray-White-Holmes.
THAT oughta confuse everyone!
Mike
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In a message dated 97-09-16 22:55:28 EDT, you write:
<< Gabe
who anxiously awaits and has high hopes for Dream Mixes 2
and learned to tolerate (and maybe enjoy) reggae this summer >>
hey irie mon....whatcha listening to?
np: ras michael and the sons og negus - nyhabingi
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:( :( :( Why's DIGITAL GOTHIC so hard to get? Lars ordered a
few copies from Waterstone's, a bookstore here in Boston that is owned
by a British company, yet hasn't heard anything back from them in a
month. I myself tried to get copies of it from my local Tower Records,
but encountered 'One Hand Doesn't Know What the Other is Doing' syndrome
in that I was told that the store got in two copies, they sold, and they
don't plan on ordering any more. (Real f***ing geniuses running *that*
outfit, eh?) Meanwhile, Tower has enough copies of UK books on Prodigy
and the Sp*** Girls to choke a horse. Arghhhh! :( :( If there was a
UK book on Yanni or Enya you can bet your booties that ol' Tower would
order a f***load of *those*! What the f*** is the problem?
-- Steven Feldman
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
Hi people
For a very limited time since I'm beyond the limits of my web space I have
the for you to download
the link is: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fsalgado/bradford.zip ( 2.88MB)
It's a bit long but it has a full 7 minute encore.
Hope to receive your feedback
---Francisco
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Steven Wrote:
>
>
> :( :( :( Why's DIGITAL GOTHIC so hard to get? Lars ordered a
>few copies from Waterstone's, a bookstore here in Boston that is owned
>by a British company, yet hasn't heard anything back from them in a
>month. I myself tried to get copies of it from my local Tower Records,
>but encountered 'One Hand Doesn't Know What the Other is Doing' syndrome
>in that I was told that the store got in two copies, they sold, and they
>don't plan on ordering any more. (Real f***ing geniuses running *that*
>outfit, eh?) Meanwhile, Tower has enough copies of UK books on Prodigy
>and the Sp*** Girls to choke a horse. Arghhhh! :( :( If there was a
>UK book on Yanni or Enya you can bet your booties that ol' Tower would
>order a f***load of *those*! What the f*** is the problem?
>
Hey take it easy...
Why don't you try World Party Music? It was Dave Brewer who gave this info
on this mailing list and thanks to his help I got a copy of the book
with ease. I had to wait only about 3 weeks. Here's his posting:
>I just thought I'd pass along some info, in case anyone was interested.
>I've found a U.S. source for the Digital Gothic yadayada... book on TD.
>It's called World Party Music. They have it listed for $16.74 plus
>shipping. (is that a good price?) They've also got a number of TD titles
>available, but nothing too out-of-the-ordinary. I haven't ordered from
>this company (yet), so I can't vouch for their service.
>
>Their website is at www.iliad.com/wpmusic, and their email is
>wpmusic@w...
>
> Dave Brewer
Hope this helps,
jinsuk Kim
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> > this will be sold at a 'you must buy' price of around 7.50
> > US Dollars - the idea is that you will get to hear tracks from
> > individuals who you might not know - and are not confident to try
> > out the tracks are virtually all exclusive to this album -
> > tell me if this sort of thing will interest you lot
> > - can I count on a 50% response from list members???
If this is still in the works, yes, count me in.
-Anthony
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> Really-From: Vic Rek
>
> Now a question:
>
> The '3 tier Dream On!' CD boot states on the back insert that it is a
> 'pre-release version of 'Cliffs of Sydney''. So is this 'Paris Edge' CD-R
> the 'Cliffs of Sydney' I have heard about or mentioned on the back of '3
> Tier Dream On!'? I'm very curious.
I think I heard that a demo version of Cliffs of Sydney (from Le Parc) was
included as a bonus track in addition to the live material on 3TD On. It
probably has nothing to do with Paris Edge. I won't know for sure until I
get my copy of 3TD and 3TD On. (soon, soon!)
Dave Brewer
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> Quoted From: Steven Feldman
>
> :( :( :( Why's DIGITAL GOTHIC so hard to get? Lars ordered a
> few copies from Waterstone's, a bookstore here in Boston that is owned
> by a British company, yet hasn't heard anything back from them in a
> month. I myself tried to get copies of it from my local Tower Records,
[...]
Damn! I hope I don't run into problems like that when I go to order this
book. I've seen it listed in World Party Music's website for a while now
for something like $16.50, and was planning on ordering it from them. I
hope they don't have a hard time with it! Their address is
www.wpmusic.com I think... Just in case you want to check out. And they
are in the US.
Dave Brewer
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(resending due to mail delivery problem)
Steven Wrote:
>
>
> :( :( :( Why's DIGITAL GOTHIC so hard to get? Lars ordered a
>few copies from Waterstone's, a bookstore here in Boston that is owned
>by a British company, yet hasn't heard anything back from them in a
>month. I myself tried to get copies of it from my local Tower Records,
>but encountered 'One Hand Doesn't Know What the Other is Doing' syndrome
>in that I was told that the store got in two copies, they sold, and they
>don't plan on ordering any more. (Real f***ing geniuses running *that*
>outfit, eh?) Meanwhile, Tower has enough copies of UK books on Prodigy
>and the Sp*** Girls to choke a horse. Arghhhh! :( :( If there was a
>UK book on Yanni or Enya you can bet your booties that ol' Tower would
>order a f***load of *those*! What the f*** is the problem?
>
Hey take it easy...
Why don't you try World Party Music? It was Dave Brewer who gave this info
on this mailing list and thanks to his help I got a copy of the book
with ease. I had to wait only about 3 weeks. Here's his posting:
>I just thought I'd pass along some info, in case anyone was interested.
>I've found a U.S. source for the Digital Gothic yadayada... book on TD.
>It's called World Party Music. They have it listed for $16.74 plus
>shipping. (is that a good price?) They've also got a number of TD titles
>available, but nothing too out-of-the-ordinary. I haven't ordered from
>this company (yet), so I can't vouch for their service.
>
>Their website is at www.iliad.com/wpmusic, and their email is
>wpmusic@w...
>
> Dave Brewer
Hope this helps,
jinsuk Kim
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In a message dated 97-09-16 11:32:57 EDT, you write:
<< It sounds like 'Optical Race' and 'Alexander Square'. They've sped it up,
bathed it in cheesy electronic percussion and played the main melody with
a flute-like sound. Fans of the Animals' version probably cringed in
horror...but I suppose you can't accuse them of not making it sound like
their own song. It fit in perfectly with what they were doing at the
time...like Purple Haze fit on 220 Volt.
I started a discussion some time ago about songs that you would *like* to
see TD do. Personally, I'm tired of Edgar's pillaging of the 60s. Maybe
he identifies with the 'everyone love your brother' vibe, but this era of
music has nothing to do with where TD is at musically these days.
Everything comes out sounding like musak. Just as Blues bands cover Blues
standards, why can't TD throw in a classic of electronic music? Or even
somthing more current. Couldn't you just picture Edgar and Jerome doing
The Chemical Brothers 'Loops of Fury?' >>
Hi, Tadreamers....I'm back! (Been in Arizona for a few weeks visiting my
brother.)
Just came upon this thread. I personally like the FRIJID PINK {ca. 1970}
version of 'House Of The Rising Sun' better than any other version I've ever
heard....and I love this song. The album credits say 'public domain' for
this song....not much help. So I went and looked it up in an old textbook I
have from college called 'American Popular Music' and they cite it as 'an
old New Orleans folk song'....again, not much help. Possibly, nobody knows
for sure who wrote it. Anyway, I've never heard the TD version (I don't
think, since I'm turning 40 this weekend and getting senile) :-0) What is it
from? I'd sure LIKE to hear it. :-) However, IMO TD is better off not doing
any 'covers' at all. Why bend to the pressure of the market and the execs at
this point? Their own originals are far better than anything they could
possibly choose to 'cover', so why waste the time and effort? The rest of
the world will just have to catch up with them....and THEY will be 'covering'
TD. :-)
Graf Zeigen
NP: LIVE MILES
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In a message dated 97-09-18 11:17:55 EDT, you write:
<< Dear Graf, please give me a sign. >>
{nudge, nudge, wink, wink}
Hi, Bogdan! Don't worry, I'm not dead ....YET!!!:-D
I haven't forgotten and a private e-mail is on the way.
Graf
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Does anybody have any info on a TD 2 cd live set from '85 or '86 @ Newport
Beach entitled Sonambulistic Imagery? How many copies were made? I
recently acquired it at a used outlet and was impressed with what sounds
like DDD digital quality and a nifty performance. Was it common practice
to make DAT recordings at the mixing board? Apologies if this is old news,
but I'm a 20 year long fan of TD and just recently logged on to this
service.
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Hey all,
For a while now, I've been seeing discussion regarding various
books about TD. I've been trying to track down Digital Gothic, but
nobody seems to know anything about it. Is this a recent publication,
something out of print, an import??? I'd like to pick up a book or two
to check out, but I can't find a blasted thing :( If anyone can send me
info about what books are available & some places where I might find
them or who to order from, I'd be very grateful. Thanks!
Kim
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Subject: Re: Paris Edge or Cliffs of Sydney
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At 05:08 PM 9/18/97 -0700, Dave Brewer wrote:
>I think I heard that a demo version of Cliffs of Sydney (from Le
Parc) was
>included as a bonus track in addition to the live material on
3TD On. It
>probably has nothing to do with Paris Edge. I won't know for
sure until I
>get my copy of 3TD and 3TD On. (soon, soon!)
>
> Dave Brewer
>
That's what it says:
Bonus Track 4 m 34 s (Pre-release version - 'Cliffs of Sydney').
'Paris Edge' appeared for a flash on Ranjit's site, then it
disappeared. It does not seem to have anything to do with 'Paris Dreams.'
Andrew
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> Quoted From: 'Kimberly M. Zemo'
>
> Hey all,
> For a while now, I've been seeing discussion regarding various
> books about TD. I've been trying to track down Digital Gothic, but
> nobody seems to know anything about it. Is this a recent publication,
> something out of print, an import???
>
Well, hopefully you have (or will) get a couple of posts talking about
getting Digital Gothic from World Party Music. So I won't repeat the info
here again. But as for asking around at stores near you, here's the info I
got a while back off this list that should help:
Digital Gothic: A Critical Discography of Tangerine Dream
by Paul Stump
SAF Publishing (a British publisher, I think)
ISBN: 0 946719 18 7
This is a recent book (published this year??). Hope this helps! :-)
Dave Brewer
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Date: Fri Sep 19, 1997 5:21
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Subject: Re: Sonambulistic Info
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@c...>
>
> Hello,
>
> >>Does anybody have any info on a TD 2 cd live set from '85 or '86 @
> Newport
> >>Beach entitled Sonambulistic Imagery?
>
> Not sure how many copies were made, but Sonambulistic is from June 1986 at
> Laguna Hills, California (is Newport Beach near there?). It's a good show,
> but it's definitely not DDD and it definitely wasn't a mixing board
> recording (isn't the audience audible on there?). I'm 99-percent certain
> those CDs just came from a pretty good audience tape.
Totally agree. I've always complained about the too metallic sounding of this
boot, so I did a digital transfer to my hard disk and equalized it. In the
process ( I did several trials to know the better sounding one) I had to listen
carefully with headphones and i noticed dropouts and other artefacts impossible
to get with a DAT machine. Noise is present too, but this could happen with a
digital recording too ( noise made by a poor mic, or a not too god mic pre-amp)
but here you could hear tape hiss.
About the audience quality. Really I don't remember the sound too well at this
moment, but the fact that you can hear the audience noises is not a clue for
classify a recording as AUD because even recorded on the sound board, you
record
audience noise, too, although a not too loud.
I have several sound boad recordings ( one by TD some pink floyd, some Phish,
etc.) and the main common 'feature' of those recordings is a tinny, but audible
50-60 Hz Hum caused by a not too god earth cabling. But this recording, I can't
hear 'hum' here.
--francisco
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> Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@c...>
>
> >>Subject: Unreleased mp3 encore from Bradford 02.11.90
> >>Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
> >>For a very limited time since I'm beyond the limits of my web space I
> have
> >>the for you to download
> >>the link is: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fsalgado/bradford.zip ( 2.88MB)
> >>It's a bit long but it has a full 7 minute encore.
> >>Hope to receive your feedback
>
> Great stuff, Francisco! I downloaded it a few moments ago--the encore
> sounds great, even on this here pair of cheap, unpowered 2-inch PC
> speakers.
>
> As I understand it, this piece played live featured both Jerome and Paul
> Haslinger playing a duel of percussion pads, as you can hear.
You should know, John, because the source of this encore is YOU ;-])
I took it from the cassette you've sent me some time ago. As you know I did a
bit
of noise processing and EQ.
The cool thing is I've got a video recording ( amateurish i think) playing it,
but at Berlin, and, also, performing the other theme 15 minutes long we have
named 'Siren chants beyond event horizons' which was released by an German FM
station, you know which theme I mean. ( both coming as extra tracks on the 3rd
disc of the Shepherd's bush CDR tree that has been run)
Glad you like it.
I'll try keeping it for the list members who didn't downloaded yet at least a
day
more, buy, guys, do hurry, since I have to erase it soon.
---Francisco
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I ordered one, but does anybody know anything more about it?
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Hello,
>>Does anybody have any info on a TD 2 cd live set from '85 or '86 @
Newport
>>Beach entitled Sonambulistic Imagery? How many copies were made? I
>>recently acquired it at a used outlet and was impressed with what sounds
>>like DDD digital quality and a nifty performance. Was it common practice
>>to make DAT recordings at the mixing board? Apologies if this is old
news,
>>but I'm a 20 year long fan of TD and just recently logged on to this
>>service.<
Not sure how many copies were made, but Sonambulistic is from June 1986 at
Laguna Hills, California (is Newport Beach near there?). It's a good show,
but it's definitely not DDD and it definitely wasn't a mixing board
recording (isn't the audience audible on there?). I'm 99-percent certain
those CDs just came from a pretty good audience tape.
(Also, I believe about an hour of this concert was broadcast on the radio
back in '86, but I don't think these CDs came from that broadcast either).
FYI, there are very few mixing-board recordings of TD shows out there (and
if there are, they're not in fan's hands). I can think of less than half a
dozen, offhand.
--John
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Vic and others,
>>A CD-R is out called 'Paris 'Edge'. It states live 1986, so I assume
it's
>>from the March 31, 1986 show at Olympique, Paris, France.
>>The CD-R comes with a color front insert (not impressive), and no tray
>>insert. The disc itself has very minimal information printed on it. The
>>sound quality is very very good, but it looks like a
>>re-issue/consolidation/re-hash of Disk 3 from '3 Tier Dream' and '3 Tier
>>Dream on!'.
As I understand it a few minutes were removed to make the contents fit onto
one CDR. The third disk of '3-Tier Dream', called 'Paris Dreams', contained
the first half of the mainset, and '3-Tier Dream On!' contained the second
half of the mainset. The two CDs also corresponded to the LPs 'Parisian
Dreams' (first half of mainset) and 'Parisian Dreams Too' (second half of
mainset).
>>Now a question:
>>The '3 tier Dream On!' CD boot states on the back insert that it is a
>>'pre-release version of 'Cliffs of Sydney''. So is this 'Paris Edge'
CD-R
>>the 'Cliffs of Sydney' I have heard about or mentioned on the back of '3
>>Tier Dream On!'? I'm very curious.
On 'Three Tier Dream On!', after the half of the Paris mainset, there is a
bonus track that is an early mix of 'Cliffs of Sydney'. This early mix is
not part of the Paris '86 concert.
I don't have 'Paris Edge' but my guess is that if the makers of the CDR
were pressed for space on the disk, they wouldn't have included the 'Cliffs
of Sydeny' track on there.
>>I would appreciate any additional release information on these CD-Rs,
such
>>as country of origin and number of copies issued, etc.
About 'Paris Edge' or 'Three Tier'? The 'Three Tier' disks are actually CDs
(not CDRs) and the liners say they were made in Britain. There were 300
hand-numbered copies each of the '3-Tier' 3CD set, and of '#-Tier Dream
On'--at least that's what the liners say. As for 'Paris Edge', not a clue.
--John
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>>Subject: Unreleased mp3 encore from Bradford 02.11.90
>>Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
>>For a very limited time since I'm beyond the limits of my web space I
have
>>the for you to download
>>the link is: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fsalgado/bradford.zip ( 2.88MB)
>>It's a bit long but it has a full 7 minute encore.
>>Hope to receive your feedback
Great stuff, Francisco! I downloaded it a few moments ago--the encore
sounds great, even on this here pair of cheap, unpowered 2-inch PC
speakers.
As I understand it, this piece played live featured both Jerome and Paul
Haslinger playing a duel of percussion pads, as you can hear.
--John
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I got a flier from Eurock yesterday saying they have it.
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> Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft)
Thanks for your stimulating posting, Hilmar.
> The show presented the current techno scenes of Berlin, Tokio, Moscow
> and of course Chicago and talked with various DJs, labels, etc. These
> DJs made a lot of references to being influenced by Kraftwerk, and
> appropriately, some Kraftwerk music was played (Trans-Europe Express
> from 'The Mix' I believe). This made total sense. You could see the
> roots and similarities.
You can also look at the disco scene, in particular the
contributions of Giorgio Moroder. When kids in Chicago
created Hip-Hop, Electric Boogaloo and ultimately House
and Techno, they found the perfect source material in
the hard-edged German and Belgian electronic new wave
of the late '70s, not in the tripped-out hippy space
sounds of TD, Schulze or Jarre.
> Personally, I always felt that TDs influence on techno has been
> overrated - they were not the grandfathers of techno, maybe the
> grandfathers of electronic rock music. But the fundamental difference
> is that TD never aimed at making music for the dancefloor. That they
> are now in turn influenced by dance music and created Dream Mixes is
> another story.
That's why I argue that Kraftwerk are more 'seminal' than
TD. I'm not saying that the albums Kraftwerk made in the
'70s were BETTER - they're not, to me at least. However,
you can see the roots of Techno far more clearly in
Kraftwerk, DAF, Cabaret Voltaire, etc. than in anything
TD ever produced. Ambient 'chill out' music, perhaps.
Even then, I feel that today's 'ambient' music is lacking
something fundamental - it's almost as if it's trying
to be empty and superficial. Perhaps it's designed that
way so that you can fill your mind with something
innocuous on the way down from an Ecstasy high.
TD created something unique and (so far)
unsurpassed in the '70s. The only artists to come
close in my mind are Node and Redshift. Neither of
these bands could make any claim to the title 'techno
band', either.
Grunt
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Lars,
with great interest I read your question about what music to play to
your unborn new family member. My personal opinion is this: DO NOT
PLAY TD AT ALL!
I completely agree with the idea that babies can start to develop
their brains even before they are born and that music stimulation is
helpful. But don't you think you should play something that a baby can
relate to, that it has a chance of identifying? It would be too early
to say that an unborn 'likes' a certain type of music, but I believe
that he/she can distinguish between sounds that are pleasant and
unpleasant to him.
That your boy isn't to thrilled by TD on the stereo should tell you
everything: It is very normal that children at first prefer simple
melodies. The sound of a musical box, their moms singing a little
tune...Then, as they grow up, they like little pop tunes, music that
stays within certain boundaries of harmony and rhythm. This seems to
be valid for all ethnic backgrounds, although I am not an expert. But
having listened to childrens songs from Asia and the ancient Latin
American Maya culture I can certainly confirm this.
I think TDs music is for the most part 'grown-up' music. With its
improvisations, complex rhythms and sounds, it takes some building
blocks until you arrive at a point where you can appreciate it. The
departure from 'simple' musical structures is an acquired taste. I
think it is a bit much to throw all this at your unborn. The possible
exception may be Rumpeltstiltskin, although I haven't listened to it
yet.
You may say that deep down unconciously, even this complex music may
do something to your baby's development, and we all lack the means to
measure if this is true or not. But think about it: If you want to
teach your toddler to learn to speak, do you slowly speak some
regognizable words to him or do you just read him hours of
Shakespeare's collected works?
Other than that, I would not play TD to my unborn because of the mood
TDs music is in - most of it is far from uplifting and motivating.
You may say, who cares if the baby 'likes' it, all I want to do is to
develop his abilities, but I don't think this works if the unborn
identifies these sounds as 'unpleasant' and I am convinced that it
would.
Classical music: While the unborn cannot appreciate its various
subtleties and its compositional genius, at least the mood of most
classical pieces is 'positive'. I know that I am now out on a limb,
because our own listening experiences have a great influence on what
we define as positive (bright, uplifting etc) and negative (gloomy,
brooding etc.). But I also believe there is more to it than just that:
I recall an interesting article in where musical experiments have been
done on plants, and they grew better to classical music than
rock'n'roll. So unconsciously maybe all living beings, wether plant or
animal follow some as yet undiscovered pattern of harmony etc.
Ok, now it gets too new-agey, I suppose.
We are also expecting a baby in three months, and we concentrate on
singing (yeah that might really scare the baby) because we want the
baby to hear the voices of its parents. I hadn't thought about music
until now, but I guess it is a good idea. But not TD for the poor
little helpless creature... :-)
Hilmar
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Hiya,
>
I think the longer pieces would work better but am not against stringing
together a compiliation of rhythmically similar but shorter pieces.
>
Hmmm, from what you mentioned, Michael Garrison's music seemed to fit the
bill, many of the tracks from 'Prisms' would be suitable ie clear rhythms
and melody through rhythm, not dark (except some of them). What do you think ?
Something different now. Goldtri seems to be operating as I was recently
admitted to the list. Just sent the Boddy interview + reviews of all his
albums up to Continuum. Wonder if it'll get through...
Wave ~~~
Tom
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I just tried again to subscribe to GoldTri, and again got that
'subscription request forwarded' message. AArrrrggghhh! :-(
Apart from tadream and goldtri, does anyone know any other smashing
mailing lists that an EM fan like myself might be interested in?
A frustrated Lawry Simm!
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Just so you know, Tom, your reveiew and interview did come throgh on GoldTri. I
look forward to the Pickford stuff next.
For the rest of you guys who may have been tempted to join GoldTri, but were
put off by the apparent difficulty in doing so, it would appear that
subscription lines are open again, so come on over.
BTW, has anyone got anymore info on that new TD release - Die Meteor, or
whatever?
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>Really-From: Monrad
>
>Does anybody have any info on a TD 2 cd live set from '85 or '86 @ Newport
>Beach entitled Sonambulistic Imagery? How many copies were made? I
>recently acquired it at a used outlet and was impressed with what sounds
>like DDD digital quality and a nifty performance. Was it common practice
>to make DAT recordings at the mixing board? Apologies if this is old news,
>but I'm a 20 year long fan of TD and just recently logged on to this
>service.
Sonambulistic Imagery is from Laguna Hills, 1986. Whilst I enjoy the music
greatly, it does seem to be full of you dashed Yanks talking through it
(although I suupose this does add to the liveness of it). I doubt (therefore)
that the recording is from the mixing board.
Of course, maybe Ed and co. decided to 'play' the audience noise as part of the
music, like CoAEII. 8-)
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Hi all.
So, monday night TD appeared again on German TV (Thanks to Peter
Stoeferle for informing us) in a show called '10 Years Of Techno'.
I don't want to get into the absolute horrible production standards of
this show that was made on a really low budget (if you can only afford
cheesy computer graphics of 1981 vintage, then it is better to not
have any, rather than annyoing us for 100 minutes with this). Apart
from that, the TD material was recycled from the TD interview already
broadcast a few months ago, so we didn't get to see anything new - a
few statements by Froese and a few clips from the 1997 tour and 'Three
Phase' video.
The point is: It suddenly became very obviously clear that showing
Tangerine Dream in this 'Techno' show was totally out of place. 1997s
TD and techno really have nothing in common (luckily!) and it became
painfully evident in this roundup of techno material.
The show presented the current techno scenes of Berlin, Tokio, Moscow
and of course Chicago and talked with various DJs, labels, etc. These
DJs made a lot of references to being influenced by Kraftwerk, and
appropriately, some Kraftwerk music was played (Trans-Europe Express
from 'The Mix' I believe). This made total sense. You could see the
roots and similarities.
Then, suddenly, in the middle of all this: 10 minutes of Tangerine
Dream of 1994/97 fashion: Hachfeld playing drums, Zlatko with his
manic guitar and even some Linda Spa saxophone. I can only imagine how
every techno fan must have cringed at this:
guitars...drums....sax...Arrgh! And look at all that hair! :-)
At least if the producers of this show had taken some seventies
material - *maybe* they could have gotten their point across that TD
had an influence on the current music scene, but this way it was a bit
ridiculous. If they wanted to teach the kids as to who their musical
grandfathers were supposed to be - it failed!
Personally, I always felt that TDs influence on techno has been
overrated - they were not the grandfathers of techno, maybe the
grandfathers of electronic rock music. But the fundamental difference
is that TD never aimed at making music for the dancefloor. That they
are now in turn influenced by dance music and created Dream Mixes is
another story.
Really, the main reason that TD was in the show at all was probably
this: The production company of '10 Years of Techno' was the same one
who produced the half-hour TD special earlier this year, so it was a
great way for them to fill 10 minutes of airtime without any
additional investment. Like I said...they were obviously on a tight
budget.
Other than that it was probably an 'acceptable' show for techno fans,
and a very annoying show for TD fans, you can not imagine the stuff we
had to sit through to finally get to 'our' TD - my brains were fried
after 100 minutes...bleep bleep bleep whoop whoop
Hilmar
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> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
> Our methodology was to play the tape in a small handheld player resting on
> my wife's abdomen each evening throughout the last 5 months of her
> pregnancy at roughly the same time. We noticed that our son really
> responded to the music and became really active, sometimes even kicking the
> tape player off of her...
Maybe that was his way of banging a broom handle on the ceiling !
Maybe you were the foetal equivalents of 'neighbours from Hell'.
> Since joining us on the outside, he hasn't yet
> shown any affinity for E-music
Maybe there are too many bad memories ?
> Anyway, we'd like to try this again with our next one (in his/her fourth
> month in utero now) and I thought we might try to make a different tape
> this time so I'm asking you listees for suggestions. Has anyone else tried
> this? If so, do you have any comments?
I don't know much about the in-utero stage, but I found that my
daughter responded really well to dance music as a baby. I found
that The Shamen's 'Boss Drum' album got her absorbed, as did
'Patashnik' by Biosphere. I wasn't trying an experiment as such,
I just noticed it after a while. It got so that she could spot
'Boss Drum' in amongst about 100 CD's.
Maybe you want to try some rave music instead of more traditional
electronics.
Grunt
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HI Hilmar
thanks for another great post and congratulations!
>That your boy isn't to thrilled by TD on the stereo should tell you
>everything: It is very normal that children at first prefer simple
>melodies. [...]
>I think TDs music is for the most part 'grown-up' music. With its
>improvisations, complex rhythms and sounds, it takes some building
>blocks until you arrive at a point where you can appreciate it. The
>departure from 'simple' musical structures is an acquired taste. I
>think it is a bit much to throw all this at your unborn.
I do agree with you here in part. My original choice of Td was based on
what I learned about the Russian and American research where the complexity
presented the unborn was vitally important; it is only in methodology that
they differed radically.
I'd compare it to a first experience learning to **hear** a foreign
language. At first, when listening to someone speak, everything sounds
'grey' -- just one mass of sound (tv newscasts are the worst!) from that
mass, you learn to hear the tone and the pauses and then you begin to break
it apart in paragraphs, sentences, and finally you begin to hear discreet
words -- only at that point can you really begin to attribute significant
meaning to what you hear and associate the words with what you know or can
figure out in context. This is sort of the way the LAD is designed to
function, it breaks the complexities down to manageable chunks through
pattern recognition and you can actually hear children applying this to
their verbal expressions 'mama mmpgtss doggie brffws ceerweal' (mama give
the dog a bowl of cereal [too]). we catch the drift of what they are
saying and figure it out from there and they eventually learn to fill in
the blanks so that 'brffws' becomes 'bowl.'
This is actually one of the problems with foreign language education in the
US -- you can learn to speak competently but if aren't exposed to hearing a
foreign language constantly, you don't ever really learn to *hear* it; it
is both the active and passive forms of education that are needed. This is
why immersion is the best way to learn a language.
My point is the difference between 'teaching' -- or trying to establish
certain hard-wiring in the brain by playing progressively more complex
things (what the American researcher was doing by using progressive
variations of the mother's heart beat like a binary code to sting out
complex mathematical formulae ) -- and 'learning' -- or trusting that the
brain will begin to break down the complexities in its own unique way and
hardwire itself in the most efficient manner (what the Russian was doing
with classical music). I think there is a lot to be said for both methods
and am not sure either is right or wrong, clearly both have an important
role to play and both produced very interesting results.
I think, personally here, that this is the way I listen to TD's music.
Initially it is a complex formula of sound and the more experience with it
that I have, the better I come to know it and thus to be able to
participate in it. Because it is not (usually) based on easily accessible
melodies and rhythms and often evolves dramatically, it takes some active
'learning' to experience (maybe this is why most people prefer 'baby-talk'
Top 40 tunes :-) As many of us know, one of the best ways to experience TD
is alone in a quiet, comfortable, dark place (hmmmm, I didn't think about
the utero connection until now). For me, Td is music for 'learning' --
thinking about, being led into and away and participation in it isn't to be
taken for granted. When I play rock (np: green day -- dookie), I don't
expect to sit and listen to it in the dark but to sit and tap my foot while
doing something else, to sing along, dance, etc. Most rock/pop/rap/etc is
sort of like baby music in this respect: relatively simple, easily
accessible melodies that don't take much too much effort to participate in
-- it is 'teaching' music.
>The possible
>exception may be Rumpeltstiltskin, although I haven't listened to it
>yet.
-- it's too 'dark' in places ;-)
>You may say that deep down unconciously, even this complex music may
>do something to your baby's development, and we all lack the means to
>measure if this is true or not. But think about it: If you want to
>teach your toddler to learn to speak, do you slowly speak some
>regognizable words to him or do you just read him hours of
>Shakespeare's collected works?
-- I agree in principle with your point (apologies if I misunderstood)
although my understanding is that it doesn't make much difference because
the issue is about the child learning to speak (he/she is the active agent)
and not about being taught to speak (where he/she is the passive recipient
;-) the brain acquires the language regardless of its complexity. Speaking
slowly but correctly is always helpful although 'baby talk' is *very*
counter-productive. I think it is actually best to speak to the child in a
normal voice and at normal speed the first time and then break it down
from there and work with them to understand the parts that they have
trouble with (or to repeat what they have just tried to say in a normal
voice and speed: 'mama give the dog a bowl of cereal?').
In the end, research suggests that it is real, active human verbal
interaction of any type that makes a difference (eg: not passive TV) and
from the earliest moments of life. Our doctor encourages everyone to speak
to their unborn babies because they do learn to recognize their parents'
voices and current thinking says that you should begin reading to your
child as soon as they are born! Thus, it probably doesn't matter if we
play TD to ours or if you sing to yours, both will produce postive results.
>You may say, who cares if the baby 'likes' it, all I want to do is to
>develop his abilities, but I don't think this works if the unborn
>identifies these sounds as 'unpleasant' and I am convinced that it
>would.
-- As I'm sure you (and Grant) recognize, it is difficult to say if a baby
in utero 'likes' or 'dislikes' anything (although you may be right).
Repeatedly kicking the tape recorder off mom's abdomen presupposes a
understanding of cause and effect (knowing that a certain muscular motion
will result in the cessation of sound) -- an ability children won't have
until around 16-18 months (post utero). Just as an unborn might be
'fleeing' a sound, equally valid explanations are exploration (what is
that? is it tangible? where is it?) or even excitement or glee -- are you
sure he wasn't just 'dancing'? (oh, this beat feels good, let's boogie)
Especially when other unpleasant sounds near the mother (sirens,
jackhammers, traffic noises, telephones) don't produce the same alledged
'flight' response... That my son wants me to turn TD off these days is
more a product of his wanting to see the Lion King or Winnie the Pooh and
knowing that the TV and stereo aren't both allowed on at the same time...
It's still hard to know if he likes or dislikes it. he certainly tolerates
it and doesn't throw a fit when he hears it.
I do tend to agree with Hilmar, that the actual music itself will be an
acquired taste. I just hope that some of the mathematical principles
underlying the production of music will be second nature to him later in
life.
Hilmar, I'm also really interested in your comments about TD being not
'positive' vs. classical. I find that fascinating because I've always
viewed TD's music as very positive (with the exception of some soundtracks,
bits of stratosfear, thru metamorphic rock and a few other tracks) and
mostly in constrast to Schulze whom I find very 'dark'. I know we all have
completely different and equally valid opinions of Td but this is something
I haven't really seen discussed on the list. I think this would be a great
thread for the list to tackle if they don't want to talk about TD in utero
;-)
So you Shakespeares, will it be 'TD or not TD? that is the question...'
more suggestions please! I'd be happy to swap tapes for suggested music!
enough of this (too long) post for now!
lars
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Hi everyone,
check out your local music store and go to the MC 303 from Roland, and play
patterns A10 A11 and A12 and voila, you have part of a TD track (literally
!!) (who'll be the first to send the title to the list ?)
Was a bit surprised that they used this box so extensively.
Cheers,
Tom
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Just a question about the '92 Ventura Theatre show: is this one where it
is Edgar, not Zlatko, playing 'Purple Haze'?
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On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Tom Coppens
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> check out your local music store and go to the MC 303 from Roland, and play
> patterns A10 A11 and A12 and voila, you have part of a TD track (literally
> Tom
>
Give us a hint...is it classic TD or newer TD?
Is it 'No Man's Land'?
Gabe
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From Lar's tape list:
12.10.83 Warsaw (Ice Stadium) 1st show (afternoon) 86 min. (Au) MC
12.10.83 Warsaw (Ice Stadium) 2nd show (evening) 90 min. (FM) MC
Are these almost the same and does the Poland 2CD contain all the material
from these?
Morgan
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At 12:22 PM 9/19/97 +0100, you wrote:
>---------------------------------------------------------
>A frustrated Lawry Simm!
>
>
>NP: ASANA - Trikuti
>
Lawry,
while you are working your way through the (unnecessatily)
cumbersome subscription protocol to GoldTri, how about telling us
about 'Trikuti?'
The TD purists may cringe, but we gotta talk somewhere, right? If
you get flamed, just direct them to me. I have thick skin.
Looking forward to hearing from you
AndrewR
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Hey all-
>Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>Just a question about the '92 Ventura Theatre show: is this one where it
>is Edgar, not Zlatko, playing 'Purple Haze'?
Nope. I was 10 ft. from the Z-man the whole show, including his great shred
on 'Purple Haze'!
goozer
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Subject: Grown-Up music?
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I think TDs music is for the most part 'grown-up' music. With its
improvisations, complex rhythms and sounds, it takes some building
blocks until you arrive at a point where you can appreciate it. The
departure from 'simple' musical structures is an acquired taste. I
think it is a bit much to throw all this at your unborn. The possible
exception may be Rumpeltstiltskin, although I haven't listened to it
yet.
I don't necessarily say Tangerine Dream music is 'grown-up' music.. I
being 18 (17 when I first got into TD) find TD to not be too difficult at
all to understand, bring together, and fully appreciate. I believe TD
offers more information than is needed, thus making a 'musical carpet' that
can be interpreted in many ways. Certainally, I'll catch a very interesting
complex rhythm coming from a percussion and sequencer arrangement.. those
are little surprises.. and I truly believe many of those are happy
accidents due to the musical layering. I love classical music, but that is
more difficult to totally appreciate due to a limited array of instuments
to express with. So it might be a single violin that must take you from a
happy mood to a heart-pounding event.. finally to end in saddness.. the
electronics allow a refinement to expression to all emotions.. it's like
having the entire world of all acoustic instruments at hand, plus a million
times more sounds never even invented yet.
I know many of you would probably kill me for saying this, but I find
Kraftwerk to be more of a challenge mentally than TD. A large part is the
simple vocals.. but you can always listen to those vocals a tad differently
and get new words from them.. There is less there in the music, and the
mind can use it's imagination to create and assume new things in each
listen. I think TD may be too wide open for definate interpretation..
sadly, I can't find anything to interprete in the newer TD except maybe
looking at the song's title.. (Ex. Rising Haul In Silence) and hearing a
few atmospheric sounds (Water splashing cymbols... wooshing up and down
sounds--rising haul-- that add lots of static to the music)
Melody is important because it is an element of time.. a progression of
emotions, story, and events.. it almost makes reason for the song's
existence. Even that is up to debate, for not every song has to tell a
story.. but in the pitches.. octaves.. that's somthing that stays.
There's almost a dictionary to melody.. meaning that low dark sounds
elicit depressive, hurting emotions, and high notes elicit happy, maybe
delicate sensitive emotions.. it's kind of something that's there in the
book, it's a vocabulary (just one at that) but maybe exploration beyond
that is something to look for.. has TD done this? I think so.. like in
'Thru Metamorphis Rocks' uses varying pitched sounds not to tell a story..
but to create something a listener must discover--this is one of the few TD
songs I have to yet to fully understand, and I don't think they dedicated
so many minutes to sound effects.
Greg...
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Hi Gabe,
>> Hi everyone,
>
> check out your local music store and go to the MC 303 from Roland, and play
> patterns A10 A11 and A12 and voila, you have part of a TD track (literally
> Tom
>
Give us a hint...is it classic TD or newer TD?
Is it 'No Man's Land'?
>>
It's very new TD (or Roland you might say ;-) ) and you may not have the
track in question... So no, it's not 'No Man's Land', the MC 303 was only
released last year if memory serves me correct. It's a rhythm/pattern/drum
box nicknamed the Groovebox. Seems fun for technoish stuff and also other
things I suppose.
Wave ~~~
Tom
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>Really-From: TangerineC@a...
><same standard as I promote.
>goozer>>
>
>Well i'm glad you stand for quality, as the illegal material you were
>selling. ;) Such high standards for a guy who auctions bootlegs. Let's get
>seriuos now, o.k.? Jeezzz!!!! It's not like it's the end of the world. Take a
>vacation. You'll find someone else quick to buy it, i'm sure. Although, i've
>found it ten dollars cheaper than what you were selling it for.
> And now because of the mudslinging you started(Goozer), I must apologize to
>the TD list for going off the topic. I had to take action, if my name is
>being badmouthed. And I want everyone to know on this list that if they have
>something I want, I buy it. I've done many transactions with people on this
>list and it went fine. Goozer just needs to take life a little less
>seriously. The End.
>
Hmmm, I'm confused. Are you confirming or denying Goozer's claim?
By the way, do you have a name? Everyone else on this list seems to.
Vic
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Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves
Hi again,
It has been mentioned that babies respond to certain music in the womb.
Babies are suspended in water and the water makes a good method of
transfering sound. However it should be noted that sounds transmitted
through water tend to be very sharp/high in the treble range. Such sounds
are painful. A child in the womb might be experiencing a lot of pain, and
that is why they are so agitated. Those messages of love might be very
painful. You should do some research on this before continuing.
Sincerely, Matt
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Arcangelo Corelli ( a primary influence on J.S. Bach & Mozart ).
That's my vote!
If you want E-music/environmental what about Nik Tyndall?
MJ
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What's the word? What's happening?
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On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Tom Coppens
>
>
> Hi Gabe,
>
>
> Give us a hint...is it classic TD or newer TD?
>
> Is it 'No Man's Land'?
> >>
>
> It's very new TD (or Roland you might say ;-) ) and you may not have the
> track in question... So no, it's not 'No Man's Land', the MC 303 was only
> released last year if memory serves me correct. It's a rhythm/pattern/drum
> box nicknamed the Groovebox. Seems fun for technoish stuff and also other
> things I suppose.
>
> Wave ~~~
>
> Tom
>
OK, I'm trying to think of all the groove-oriented newer TD that is
heavily percussion-based...
Maedchen '97?
Order of the Ginger Gild?
Something off _Tournado_(like the Big Bolt '220 Volt' maybe? Or
Hachfeld's solo)?
What is it, already?
Gabe
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Hi all,
Well I have just had the chance to listen to Quinoa!!!!!! WOW....great
tunes.
For those who have the disc in their posession and would like to know
what the chinese characters on the front mean, here is a breakdown.
There are 3 characters in large black writing and one in red.
Translated from the Chinese-English Dictionary.
1. Mak = Sweet or Honey
2. Gan = Loose skinned orange from south china
3. Moong = Dream
when 1+2 are pronounced to gether Mak Gan (=Tangerine) Moong (=Dream).
Tangerine Dream!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The writing in red means
Yen = to grind,to rub into powder
Rob
N.P Quinoa :)
P.S *GOOD TRADERS ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE BE WARNED*
VIK trades the amazing material - true to his word.
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If you get this before midnight Eastern Standard Time (USA), check out the
fireworks in Houston, on my website... I got a video camera out the window...
http://www.phoenix.net/~feldon/pyro.html
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>A while ago someone wrote to the list saying that he had the master
>fantape of a concert of this European Tour '97 and he wanted to change
>copies. Are you? Then, write me.
You have all my lists, so you know where to ask...
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> Really-From: 'R.A.Seed'
>
> Hi all,
>
> Well I have just had the chance to listen to Quinoa!!!!!! WOW....great
> tunes.
>
> For those who have the disc in their posession and would like to know
> what the chinese characters on the front mean, here is a breakdown.
>
> There are 3 characters in large black writing and one in red.
>
> Translated from the Chinese-English Dictionary.
> 1. Mak = Sweet or Honey
> 2. Gan = Loose skinned orange from south china
> 3. Moong = Dream
>
> when 1+2 are pronounced to gether Mak Gan (=Tangerine) Moong (=Dream).
>
> Tangerine Dream!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> The writing in red means
> Yen = to grind,to rub into powder
>
> Rob
>
Hello,
Talking about the Chinese characters on the cover of Quinoa, I would
like to add the following for those not scared of by linguistics:
1) 'Mak Gan' ('tangerine') seems to me more a Japanese collocation
than a Chinese one. In South China, the fruit is simply referred to as
'Gum' (instead of 'Gan', and in Cantonese, not Mandarin Chinese).
Note: in Chinese, every word or character is basically a morpheme,
which is the basic unit of meaning. A morpheme may or may not have any
meaning, but combination of two or more morphemes, known as a
particular collocation, gives rise to some specific meaning. It follows
that the same morpheme used in connection with different morphemes
(i.e. different collocations) gives rise to different meaning.
2) The primary meaning of the red word 'Yen' is 'to study'. The
meaning of the word in the sense of 'grind' is very rare in Chinese
usage. Even if it is so used the object of the verb is still something
abstract, such as ideas, theories etc, in short: something intangible
instead of tangible.
The orthography of the word 'yen' looks archaic, but after consulting
the dictionary I find that the word is actually the simplied form now
widely used in mainland China.
Note: A system of simplified chinese characters was introduced in
mainland China since the 1960s (since the Cultural Revolution?), as
opposed to the original complex forms now used in all other Chinese
communities. It's basically a political produce than a natural
linguistic phonomenon.
Jeffrey
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At 10:26 PM 9/21/97 +0800, Jeffrey Au-Yeung wrote:
[....]
Talking about the Chinese characters on the cover of Quinoa, I would
>like to add the following for those not scared of by linguistics:
>
> 1) 'Mak Gan' ('tangerine') seems to me more a Japanese collocation
>than a Chinese one. In South China, the fruit is simply referred to as
>'Gum' (instead of 'Gan', and in Cantonese, not Mandarin Chinese).
[....]
Thanks, Jeffrey. Some of us actually LIKE languages and relish
learning something new every day.
Could you be so kind to wrap up this very informative discussion
by telling us how you would read the Chinese title? Would it be
something like 'A Study of Tangerine Dream?'
Regards,
Andrew
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Sorry for the off-topic posting, but maybe this will tickle
someone's fancy...
On someone's recommendation I got hold of BotCon '97's double-CD
'Til All Are One.' Protagonists are Stan Bush with Gary Falcone
(on disk #1), and Vince DiCola (on disk #2).
This is definitely progrock.
Not my cup of tea any longer, it seems, since after one listen I
decided I won't be listening to it again.
If someone is interested in getting it, I would like a trade.
Something new, something blue, something borrowed?....
Andrew
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This week we would like to hear comments on:
Christopher Franke - Babylon 5, Vol. 2
- Pacific Blue
- Babylon 5 Box Set,
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and anything else on Chris since next week we will be moving on to Edgar Froese.
Please respond with subject 'D:franke_related_title'.
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Subject: Re: Quinoa
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Really-From: Michael Fox
At 11:16 AM 9/21/97 +0800, you wrote:
OK, Rob! I was gonna wait on getting this, but now you've done it! The
canned beans I'll be eating for supper this week are your fault! Thanks for
the cover info--pretty cool!
Oh, and one more thing.....Vik is definately on the Good Trader List.
Mike
>Really-From: 'R.A.Seed'
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>Well I have just had the chance to listen to Quinoa!!!!!! WOW....great
>tunes.
>
>For those who have the disc in their posession and would like to know
>what the chinese characters on the front mean, here is a breakdown.
>
>There are 3 characters in large black writing and one in red.
>
>Translated from the Chinese-English Dictionary.
>1. Mak = Sweet or Honey
>2. Gan = Loose skinned orange from south china
>3. Moong = Dream
>
>when 1+2 are pronounced to gether Mak Gan (=Tangerine) Moong (=Dream).
>
>Tangerine Dream!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>The writing in red means
>Yen = to grind,to rub into powder
>
>
>Rob
>
>N.P Quinoa :)
>
>P.S *GOOD TRADERS ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE BE WARNED*
> VIK trades the amazing material - true to his word.
>
>
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Really-From: Gary Struhlik
Your message:
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:17:22 -0400
>Subject: Tangerine Dream: Der Meteor soundtrack
>
>Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@c...>
>
>Hey folks,
>
>Now here's one that snuck up and blindsided us! Check out the Voiceprint =
>UK
>Web site for yet another TDI release. Anyone out there have any idea what=
>
>this is? Looks like a German TV show or film? =
>
>
>Funny that TD didn't even mention this on their homepage yet....
>
>- --John
>
>- -----------------------------------------------------------------
>Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor (1997) =A3 12.95
>Originalmusik: Tangerine Dream
> =
>
>Track Listing
>1. Haus der Welt I =
>
> 2 ' 24 '
>2. Ein Traum =
>
> 2 ' 55 '
>3. Am Hafen =
>
> 3 ' 11 '
>4. Unheimliches passiert =
>
> 5 ' 16 '
> 5. Der Professor =
>
> 3 ' 00 '
> 6. Das Buch Midrad =
>
> 4 ' 22 '
>7. In der Bibliothek =
>
> 6 ' 08 '
>8. Der Heliograph =
>
> 2 ' 28 '
>9. Die Helden der Stadt =
>
> 5 ' 04 '
>10. Im Labor =
>
> 1 ' 46 '
>11. Haus der Welt II =
>
> 6 ' 25 '
>total playing time : 42 ' 59'
>
>
I didn't read your message from 17 Sep 1997 until
yet. I was discovering the 'voice print' link on TD's web site today and
then I began to serach any informations about this soundtrack.
I think there are only two messages about the soundtrack
'Der Meteor' your message and a question from Craig Cordrey (19 Sep 1997).
I also wonder why this soundtrack was not mentioned on TD's web site.
I hope we can get this CD all over the world and it is not a
limited edition which can only purchased at 'voice print'.
Gary S.
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The list wrote:
>Not sure how many copies were made, but Sonambulistic is from June 1986 at
>Laguna Hills, California (is Newport Beach near there?)
To get technical, the concert was held at Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre in
Irvine CA (Laguna Hills being two stops down the freeway). I know this
because I was there in the first & second rows. One of these days, I'll
get to hear this CD. I have this fear that I might be one of those voices
on the recording since I'm sure whomever recorded it was in the orchestra
pit area to get the best sound. My voice tends to carry as well.
Hopefully, one of the voices heard on the soundtrack isn't the idiot who
kept screaming loudly as though he were at a metal concert.
During one of the quiet bits (Haslinger playing a grand piano solo), he
even screamed out guesses as to the composer (all of them wrong).
Haslinger actually looked out in the audience and shook his head as if to
say 'What are ya? Stupid?' I had a chance to talk to a friend of Paul's
and he vaguely remembers the screamer.
Neal :-)
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Subject: Bad Trader (not!)
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For what it's worth, I've dealt with TangerineC@a... and have had
no problems at all. Now let's get back to TD!
Oscar Dean
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Subject: DIgital Gothic
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Sorry if this is a repeat, but it is available through EUROCK at
apatters@t... OR www.eurock.com for $18 plus shipping....
MJ
NP: NOTHING
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Subject: Tu oferta de CDs de Vangelis de 17.09.97
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Really-From: Robert Tony Adams
Hola !
Te quedan aun los bootlegs siguientes ? Te los compraria para el precio
indicado !
CD Sex Power
CD Hypothesis
CD The Dragon
CD Fais que Ton Reve ...
Di-me por favor si los tienes aun y como te los podria pagar ?
Gracias
Tony Adams (un ingles que vive en Alemania con muchos buenos amigos en
Espana)
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Hello at all.
Where can I to buy the bootleg Paris Edge? A place is the shop Progtron.
Bye bye.
José Ramón
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Subject: How many copies of Optical Race Tour North America '88?
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Hi, dreamers:
How many copies exist of Optical Race Tour North America '88? Thanks for
advance.
José Ramón
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Subject: Stratosfear mirror
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I have a very rare TD item - it is a mirror with the 'Stratosfear'
album cover on it - the mirror shines through where the sky would be in the
top half of the image and within the increasing size rhombus shapes in the
lower half - I purchased it from Carnaby Street (Yes - THAT Carnaby
Street in London), around 1980 or so - offers are invited off-line
please. Oh Yes, the size is 33cms square and it is in a chrome coated
plastic frame - so its quite light.
Ash
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Hi, all.
Where can I buy the bootleg 'Antarktis',
Best regards,
Jorge Moreira.
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Subject: JIM & PABLO - DER METEOR ?!?!
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Er, ah, um . . . does anybody know anything about this puppy yet?
I think it'll be rare because none of the credits are in English.
I mean, even the credits to HEARTBREAKERS, THE MAN INSIDE, and ZOO OF
TRANQILITY were in English. So, will this little number go the way of
the dodo and the Australian GOBLINS' CLUB? ;)
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Mon Sep 22, 1997 10:18
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Subject: grownup music
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
in a previous letter hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft)
states think TDs music is for the most part 'grown-up' musicThe possible
exception may be Rumpeltstiltskin, although I haven't listened to it
yet. I know many of you would probably kill me for saying this, but I find
Kraftwerk to be more of a challenge mentally than TD.......
Prepare to die!!!! Just kidding, I will have to disagree tho, Listen to
rumplestilskin , it is very similar to the CLASSICAl music you also enjoy. Also
fellow tangers, I saw SOLO yesterday and heard ole CHRISTOPHER FRANKES latest
try at FILM composition......please lord hear my prayer....slap ole CHRIS a
roundabout. I enjoy experimentation and all but it seems to me he's going
through the motions in his soundtrack work . Just cuz he prefers to distance
himself from TANG doesn't mean he's got to be so darn repetitous! John williams
he ain't!!!!! Opinions? I mean he has done enuff of these things lately. BY the
way since I don't have it and no one seems to have discussed last weeks
topic...how is PERRY by Franke? Is is electronic or is it more his hollywood
celestine style? And is he doing the Celestine serires or not? Also I have a
source for the 70-80 lp box set for 40.00 Should I , is this worth it???
Tank
you...hi Lars!
Hi
goozer!!!!
Christopher
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Er, ah, um . . . does anybody know anything about this puppy yet?
I think it'll be rare because none of the credits are in English.
I mean, even the credits to HEARTBREAKERS, THE MAN INSIDE, and ZOO OF
TRANQILITY were in English. So, will this little number go the way of
the dodo and the Australian GOBLINS' CLUB? ;)
-- Steven Feldman
Why the australian GOBLINS club?? Why is this rare? why?
chris/bruno
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Subject: Rumpelstiltskin
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Really-From: AslanFan1@a...
A couple of people asked me to reserve the hard-to-find TD CD
'Rumpelstiltskin' but they never sent payment. As a result, they are now
available while supplies last. If anyone is wanting one of these, please
email me for details. Thanks!
-Alan
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Really-From: centaur@c... (Anthony G. Francis, Jr.)
And the details would be for those who are interested?
-Anthony
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College of Computing | 1: one of a race fabled to be half man
Georgia Institute of Technology | and half horse and to dwell in the
Atlanta, Georgia 30332-0280 | mountains of Thessaly.
Phone: (404) 894-2590 | 2: nickname for this AI grad student
Net: centaur@c... - http://www.cc.gatech.edu/ai/students/centaur/
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Subject: Looking for Mark Filipak
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Hi folks,
Sorry for the off-topic. I've lost contact with the famous
Mr. F for a couple weeks. The last I heard was a generic
message he sent from a friend's account saying his mail
account had gone down, then......nothing.
Has anyone else heard from him ? If so, is he doing OK ?
Please reply off-list, or on-list if you feel that the
information would benefit any other members.
Thanks,
Grant
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>Really-From: Steven Feldman
> Er, ah, um . . . does anybody know anything about this puppy yet?
>I think it'll be rare because none of the credits are in English.
>I mean, even the credits to HEARTBREAKERS, THE MAN INSIDE, and ZOO OF
>TRANQILITY were in English. So, will this little number go the way of
>the dodo and the Australian GOBLINS' CLUB? ;)
> -- Steven Feldman
Mine arrived yesterday morning from Voiceprint.
Initial impressions: Not what I expected.
It appears to be a story in German with music in the background, what I've
heard so far is all new music, but there's an awful lot of dialogue.
I've only had the most cursory of listens up to this point.
The CD itself doesn't appear to have a label, in fact there's no spine info
at all.
The only give-away is a small TDI logo on the rear of the CD, but no
catalogue numbers anwhere.
Andy.
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Subject: Online Shopping
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Does anyone have any web pages for online record shops that stock TD etc
that is based in Europe and has good prices?
Thanks,
Lawry
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Subject: SMD Synth Music Direct
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
I received my promotional CD that was mentiioned on the list earlier in
the month... Its quite nice and includes: Asana, IAn Boddy, T-Bass,
Synthetik, Jim Kirkwood, Airsculpture, Lyle Newton, and Radio Massacre
International...THose who didn't ask for one certainly should reconsider!
Mike J,
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Subject: D: Franke B5
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
This morning I've been listening to 'A Late Delivery from Avalon'.
Certainly the most unique collection in the recent 'cult' releases. Many
of the tracks have a nice celtic flavor, with some middle eastern
influences as well... Perhaps Loreena McKennitt will be making a guest
appearance soon (ha ha ha). Track 16 'The Truth' on my copy seems to be
BLANK...does anyone else have this problem?
The 'WALKABOUT' disc features two vocal tracks, one with lyrics written by
J. Michael Straczynski, and the other written by C. Franke. The vocals
are kind of 'bluesy' and contain wonderful lyrics like 'Oh lie to me until
I believe I will be here in your arms for eternity', and 'I gave you love,
you gave me fire, I took you in, you took me higher. If I wasn't what you
wanted then tell me what it was...' Hmmmmmmmmm The voclaist is Erica
Gimpel.
That's it for now!
MJ
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Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner)
After the dissapointment of last night (it was, again another, cut-down
version of the portrait on June 16) here's something better :
German WDR-TV, Thursday Sept. 25, 20:15-21:42 h
Tatort - Bis zum Hals im Dreck (1991)
Original Soundtrack Music : TD and Chi Coltrane
-klaus-
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Subject: Re: Rumpelstiltskin
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> A couple of people asked me to reserve the hard-to-find TD CD
> 'Rumpelstiltskin' but they never sent payment. As a result, they are now
> available while supplies last. If anyone is wanting one of these, please
> email me for details. Thanks!
> -Alan
Dear Alan,
I'm interested in a copy of Rumpelstiltskin US CD. Can you give details
regarding the release, for how much you would sell it and what else do
you offer for sale?
Jeffrey Au-Yeung
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Subject: Re: JIM & PABLO -Initial View
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
> Really-From: Andy Bloyce <100703.542@c...>
>
[...]
>
> The CD itself doesn't appear to have a label, in fact there's no spine
info
> at all.
> The only give-away is a small TDI logo on the rear of the CD, but no
> catalogue numbers anwhere.
>
> Andy.
Thanks for the informations, Andy.
You save our money :-)
This seems to be an unofficial TDI (means piracy) release.
Otherwise it would be mentioned on www.netstore.de/tadream. No?
Since 98% of the TD fans don´t understand German dialogues,
this seems to be the most TD crap stuff ever released.
Jens
PS: If you want me to translate the dialogues for you,
you can send me a tape-copy.
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Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #49; JIM & PABLO - DER METEOR ?!?!
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At 02:02 23.09.97 -0500, you wrote:
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>Date: Mon, 22 Sep 97 18:20:36 EDT
>Subject: JIM & PABLO - DER METEOR ?!?!
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> Er, ah, um . . . does anybody know anything about this puppy yet?
>I think it'll be rare because none of the credits are in English.
Indeed this is very strange all tracks of older TD soundtracks
are in english. I don't know a CD with tracks in german.
E.g. EF 'Kamikaze 1989' the movie was produced in Germany
but no track has got a german name.
Gary S.
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> Indeed this is very strange all tracks of older TD soundtracks
> are in english. I don't know a CD with tracks in german.
> E.g. EF 'Kamikaze 1989' the movie was produced in Germany
> but no track has got a german name.
Oh? My copy of Kamakaze 1989 on vinyl is all in German. Der 31 Stock!
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Hi All,
This is to answer some brief questions from both the list and from
private e-mail messsages:
o ZOO OF TRANQILITY, Johannes Schmoelling's 2nd solo LP, from 1988, is
out of print, and was hard to get in the first place. Supposedly,
it will be released by TDI with extra tracks. Then again, Johannes
claimed the very same thing a few years back.
o The Australian GOBLINS' CLUB, available at TD's recent European
shows, has a track called 'Fort Worth Runway One' instead of 'Elf
June and the Midnight Patrol.'
o I recall someone posting here awhile back about how there are devices
which allow one to remove the vocals from a recording. If this is so,
might I suggest that someone do this to the following three TD-related
items that have narration over TD-related music and put the results on
CD-Rs? ;)
TRANSFORMATION OF MIND (narration by Deepak Chopra, music by Franke)
ZAUBERGEIGER SETTEMBRINI (narr by Martin Burkhardt, music by Schmoelling)
JIM & PABLO - DER METEOR (narration by ?, music by Tangerine Dream
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Subject: Re: JIM & PABLO -Initial View
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Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182
>Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
>This seems to be an unofficial TDI (means piracy) release.
I would think it unlikely that Voiceprint would risk their unique and exclusive
deal with TD and TDI by selling pirate copies of unofficial albums. And given
that they have such close links with TD and TDI (I assume this given their
release of CDs well in advance of them being available in shops, and their
location on the official TD page), I would also guess that they would
immediately smell a rat if these CDs came from a different source.
>Otherwise it would be mentioned on www.netstore.de/tadream. No?
Admittedly, this does appear strange, and I have no answer for it. However, it
is perhaps worth pointing out that nothing on the TD page has been updated
since August 15th (as far as I've seen), so maybe they just haven't got around
to updating their page yet.
>
>Since 98% of the TD fans don´t understand German dialogues,
>this seems to be the most TD crap stuff ever released.
This seems a strange comment to make when you haven't heard the CD, Jens. There
are various other TD tracks which contain indecipherable dialog (backwards
spoken, Russian, sung badly, etc.). Are these all also 'crap'?
>Jens
>
>PS: If you want me to translate the dialogues for you,
>you can send me a tape-copy.
Good idea, don't buy what might be a pirate CD - get a tape copy of what is
probably an official CD!
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Subject: TD and MC 303
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Really-From: Tom Coppens
Hi Gabe,
you were right 'Order of the Ginger Gild' is composed mainly out of
patterns A 11 A 12 and A13 of the Groovebox aka Roland MC 303.
Cheers,
Tom
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Subject: TD related available
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Really-From: 'neil vanlaten'
Greetings,
Only received one trade offer for the Schmoelling Zoo of Tranquility
CD (Theta label). This is a brilliant album second only to his Wievund
Have a few copies of Coeffecient of Aural Expansion (pt 1) and Spherical
Harmonics (pt1) on CD. I will accept trade only offers.
E-mail me directly if interested.
Neil
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On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Gary Struhlik
>
> > Er, ah, um . . . does anybody know anything about this puppy yet?
> >I think it'll be rare because none of the credits are in English.
>
> Indeed this is very strange all tracks of older TD soundtracks
> are in english. I don't know a CD with tracks in german.
> E.g. EF 'Kamikaze 1989' the movie was produced in Germany
> but no track has got a german name.
>
> Gary S.
This isn't *quite* so. The track listings on the LP itself (not the
cover) are in German.
Gabe
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Subject: Re: JIM & PABLO -Initial View
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Really-From: Jens Peschke
> >Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182
>
> >>Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
> >>
> >>This seems to be an unofficial TDI (means piracy) release.
>
> >I would think it unlikely that Voiceprint would risk their unique and
exclusive
> >deal with TD and TDI by selling pirate copies of unofficial albums.
> I never saw an official CD without any ID-number, spin informations.
That´s the reason why I think it is an unofficial (piracy) release.
> >>Otherwise it would be mentioned on www.netstore.de/tadream. No?
>
> >Admittedly, this does appear strange, and I have no answer for it. However,
it
> >is perhaps worth pointing out that nothing on the TD page has been updated
> >since August 15th (as far as I've seen), so maybe they just haven't got
around
> >to updating their page yet.
Agree.
> >There
> >are various other TD tracks which contain indecipherable dialog (backwards
> >spoken, Russian, sung badly, etc.). Are these all also 'crap'?
No. These monologues are part of the music. The fit perfectly. Point.If I
understood Andy right, on JIM & PABLO the music is the background
of the dialogues. So the dialogues seem to be not part of the music.
This seems to be crap!
Just my 2 cents.
> >>PS: If you want me to translate the dialogues for you,
> >>you can send me a tape-copy.
>
> >Good idea, don't buy what might be a pirate CD - get a tape copy of what is
> >probably an official CD!
I don´t want to get a copy of it for me, I want to help, to translate the
dialoguesfor those who aren´t familiar with the German language.
For that purpose I must hear them. Got it, Craig ?
Jens
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Subject: D:Perry Rhodan
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Really-From: Vic Rek
Christopher Franke's 'Perry Rhodan Pax Terra' CD is quite good in my
opinion! I've been listening to it more than any other of his recent releases.
It is again one of these soundtrack type releases with a mixture or
orchestral, vocal, and electronic. This CD also contains some long tracks
(11:52, 10:40, 9:24, ...) There are some very nice passages showing that
Chris still has that electronic genius in him. I especially like track #6
titled 'Frost Ruby'. The cover of the CD is very plain (sliver text on
black), but the booklet is packed with colorful sci-fi photos.
Anyway, this is not a review, but just a quick note to bring to attention
this important work of his. I think Franke fans should invest in this one.
Also, there is a CD single called 'Bridge to Eternity'. It is a very nice
'shaped' picture CD. One of the first of it's kind that I've seen. I
recommend that you pick this one up if you find a copy.
Vic
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Subject: Compilation cd
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Really-From: ashok prema
You wrote::
>>I received my promotional CD that was mentiioned on the list earlier in
>the month... Its quite nice and includes: Asana, IAn Boddy, T-Bass,
>Synthetik, Jim Kirkwood, Airsculpture, Lyle Newton, and Radio Massacre
>International...THose who didn't ask for one certainly should reconsider!
>Mike J,
NOT to be confused with the forthcoming compilation cd I have been talking
about. The title of the mine is 'Is There Anybody Out There?' and
comprises EXCLUSIVE tracks from the following:
Paul Lawler
Andy Pickford
Paul Ward
David Wright
T-Bass
John Dyson
Paul Ward
Red Shift
You can place orders with Progtron/ Eurock..........it should be with them
within 3 weeks now.
Ash
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Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #50
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Really-From: ashok prema
At 02:01 24/09/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:17:45 -0500 (CDT)
>Subject: SMD Synth Music Direct
>
>-
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>Really-From: Michael A Jean
>
>I received my promotional CD that was mentiioned on the list earlier in
>the month... Its quite nice and includes: Asana, IAn Boddy, T-Bass,
>Synthetik, Jim Kirkwood, Airsculpture, Lyle Newton, and Radio Massacre
>International...THose who didn't ask for one certainly should reconsider!
>
>Mike J,
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
NOT to be confused with the compilation I have been talking about. Mine is
titled 'Is There Anybody Out There' - all SMD members will receive a free
copy......others can get it from Progtron/Eurock in the States and from C &
D in the UK and Cue Records in Europe.
Tracks are EXCLUSIVE and by:
Paul Lawler
Andy Pickford
Red Shift
David Wright
T-Bass
AirSculpture
Paul Ward
Radio massacre Int'l
John Dyson (1st new music in years!!)
Should be available from mid October.
Ash
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Subject: REMOVE
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Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #50
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Re: tadream-digest V16 #50
>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:18:36 +0100
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: ashok prema
>
>At 02:01 24/09/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>>Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:17:45 -0500 (CDT)
>>Subject: SMD Synth Music Direct
>>Really-From: Michael A Jean
>>
>>I received my promotional CD that was mentiioned on the list earlier in
>>the month... Its quite nice and includes: Asana, IAn Boddy, T-Bass,
>>Synthetik, Jim Kirkwood, Airsculpture, Lyle Newton, and Radio Massacre
>>International...THose who didn't ask for one certainly should reconsider!
Okay, I'm asking. How/where do I get a copy? And what's the name of
it?
>NOT to be confused with the compilation I have been talking about. Mine is
>titled 'Is There Anybody Out There' - all SMD members will receive a free
>copy......others can get it from Progtron/Eurock in the States and from C &
>D in the UK and Cue Records in Europe.
For about what price? (Also, I forgot: what does 'SMD' stand for?)
>Tracks are EXCLUSIVE and by:
>
>Paul Lawler
>Andy Pickford
>Red Shift
>David Wright
>T-Bass
>AirSculpture
>Paul Ward
>Radio massacre Int'l
>John Dyson (1st new music in years!!)
>
>Should be available from mid October.
Red Shift, eh? Ratters! That means I'll have to get one.
>Ash
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #49; JIM & PABLO - DER METEOR ?!?!
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Really-From: Gary Struhlik
At 02:01 24.09.97 -0500, you wrote:
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:02:37 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #49; JIM & PABLO - DER METEOR ?!?!
>Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
>> Indeed this is very strange all tracks of older TD soundtracks
>> are in english. I don't know a CD with tracks in german.
>> E.g. EF 'Kamikaze 1989' the movie was produced in Germany
>> but no track has got a german name.
>
>Oh? My copy of Kamakaze 1989 on vinyl is all in German. Der 31 Stock!
I have the CD (P)(C)1992 by Virgin records. There are no
german words ! Only english. 'The 31st. Floor 2:15'!
Gary S.
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Date: Wed Sep 24, 1997 8:48
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Subject: German track names
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> Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
> On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> > Really-From: Gary Struhlik
> >
> > > Er, ah, um . . . does anybody know anything about this puppy
> yet?
> > >I think it'll be rare because none of the credits are in English.
> >
> > Indeed this is very strange all tracks of older TD soundtracks
> > are in english. I don't know a CD with tracks in german.
> > E.g. EF 'Kamikaze 1989' the movie was produced in Germany
> > but no track has got a german name.
> >
> > Gary S.
>
> This isn't *quite* so. The track listings on the LP itself (not the
> cover) are in German.
>
> Gabe
>
> real email addresses: gabe@c...
> gyedid@p...
Hi chaps and chapesses
Another TD vinyl in my collection is a 'Super Sound Single' from 1982,
30cm 45rpm, titled 'Die Melodie aus dem gleichnamigen', containing the
tracks.
Side 1:
Das Madchen auf der Trepp
Flock
Side 2:
Katja
Speed
This single is on the Virgin Label reference 600 651-213. I've always
been curious about the photos on the sleeve. Is this music from a German
TV show? One of the tracks (I can't remember which at the moment) is a
remix of White Eagle.
Cheers
Vince
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Subject: Edgar Froese in The Keep?
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Hello, dreamers. I don't know if this has been discuss here or how many
people know it, but...:
There is some people that believe that Edgar Froese appear as an actor in
the film The Keep. Look: This is in the beginnig of the film... The nazi
soldiers arrive at the village... The villager look at the soldiers with
fear... Then, a scene with two person sit down, in the right a old woman, in
the left a strange man. Okey, look at his look, don't remember to Edgar Froese,
but disguise? I don't know that believe. What do you think?
Edgar, are you?
Regards from Spain,
José Ramón
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Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 09:14 AM 9/23/97 +0000, Grant wrote:
>Hi folks,
>
>Sorry for the off-topic. I've lost contact with the famous
>Mr. F for a couple weeks. The last I heard was a generic
>message he sent from a friend's account saying his mail
>account had gone down, then......nothing.
>
>Has anyone else heard from him ? If so, is he doing OK ?
>Please reply off-list, or on-list if you feel that the
>information would benefit any other members.
>
>Thanks,
>
> Grant
>
Actually, none of us have heard from him. And we MISS him. don't
we, fellows?
Andrew
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Subject: Re: D: Franke B5
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Really-From: 'Janne Salmijärvi'
In Tangerine Dream Mailing List quoth tadream mailing list (tadream@c...):
> Really-From: Michael A Jean
> This morning I've been listening to 'A Late Delivery from Avalon'.
> Certainly the most unique collection in the recent 'cult' releases.
Yes, everyone (the other 2 besides me) who have heard them, have said
the same, and I won't disagree. Avalon is musically the one that's most
whole. The others seem to suffer from the 'whamepisode' syndrome. That is,
the music is mostly that battlemusic stuff. It works better on soundtracks
Vol1 & Vol2, where the music has time to develop, but as in the episode
there is limited time, so on these CDs. Most of the tracks are rather short,
with some exceptions, so we have a minute or so of crashing and building up
and when there should be the release, the track ends. Somewhat annoying.
> Track 16 'The Truth' on my copy seems to be BLANK...does anyone else
> have this problem?
Yes, every disc on the first pressing of Avalon has the same problem. Sonic
Images is now repressing the CD and they should send the free replacement
disc when they're finished. They told not to lose the CD since it will one
day be a collector's item. :-)
> The 'WALKABOUT' disc features two vocal tracks, one with lyrics
> written by J. Michael Straczynski, and the other written by C.
> Franke.
Actually, both have lyrics by JMS. First song was composed by EG and
the song in endtitles by CF. Good thing they appeared on this episodic
soundtrack, that way they will most likely stay away from the Vol3
soundtrack that will eventually come, without a doubt. Vocal tracks
might not fit in nicely.
-jhsa
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Am 24 Sep 97 hat tadream mailing list geschrieben:
on 24 Sep 97 tadream mailing list wrote:
> ----- Really-From: Vincent Codd
[...]
> Hi chaps and chapesses
>
> Another TD vinyl in my collection is a 'Super Sound Single' from 1982,
> 30cm 45rpm, titled 'Die Melodie aus dem gleichnamigen', containing the
> tracks.
>
I think it must read 'Die Melodie aus dem gleichnamigen
Film/Krimi/Tatort', which means 'the melody from the film/series with the
same name'.
> Side 1:
> Das Madchen auf der Trepp
> Flock
>
> Side 2:
> Katja
> Speed
>
> This single is on the Virgin Label reference 600 651-213. I've always
> been curious about the photos on the sleeve. Is this music from a German
> TV show? One of the tracks (I can't remember which at the moment) is a
> remix of White Eagle.
>
It is the Soundtrack of a '`Tatort'' crime thriller from German TV.
'Das M'adchen auf der Treppe'' is indeed a kind of 'white eagle' remix.
IIRC it is included unter the same name in a TD CD (sorry -- couldn't
remeber the CD name).
Martin
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You wrote:
>Another TD vinyl in my collection is a 'Super Sound Single' from 1982,
>30cm 45rpm, titled 'Die Melodie aus dem gleichnamigen', containing the
>tracks.
Hi Vince,
this vinyl in your collection is a soundtrack for a german TV film called
'Tatort'. In germany this is a very popular TV crime-serial since over 20
years. The title of one episode in 1982 was 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe'.
You're right, this is a remix of White Eagle, renamed to the title of the
film (in german : 'Die Musik zum gleichnamigen Film').
regards,
Stefan (S_Guttmann@t...)
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> 'Tatort' means 'scene of crime', BTW
Jens
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
[Vincent Codd sayed]
> Hi chaps and chapesses
>
> Another TD vinyl in my collection is a 'Super Sound Single' from 1982,
> 30cm 45rpm, titled 'Die Melodie aus dem gleichnamigen', containing the
> tracks.
It is called 'Die Melodie aus dem gleichnamigen Tatort',
'The melody from the scene of crime with the same title' (the girl on the
stairs).
> Side 1:
> Das Mädchen auf der Treppe
> Flock
>
> Side 2:
> Katja
> Speed
>
> This single is on the Virgin Label reference 600 651-213. I've always
> been curious about the photos on the sleeve. Is this music from a German
> TV show? One of the tracks (I can't remember which at the moment) is a
> remix of White Eagle.
It´s the music of ONE part of the German TV series 'Tatort' (scene of
crime) with
Götz George as commissar Schimanski from Duisburg.
At 1982 the 'Tatort' was very successful in Germany and the single
was in the German top 20.
'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' is a remix of 'White eagle'.
A remix of that remix is on the 1997 limited world tour single, BTW.
Jens
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Subject: Tatort 1991
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Thanks to Klaus for letting us know about the 1991 Tatort 'Bis zum
Hals im Dreck' which was great to watch last night (first time for
me).
I was amazed how much new material TD had composed for this episode. I
think there were at least 10 or more different segments of incidental
music composed for this show. Made for very nice background music to
the film. The other amazing thing was how well the scenes and the
music matched. I think there can be no doubt that TD had either the
movie itself or at least a very detailed scene description to work
with.
On the other hand, I am not surprised that this kind of material was
not released as a soundtrack album, most of it could probably not
stand on its own. Most of the music was composed out of the typical
building blocks for film music - some slow chord progressions, some
short driving sequencer (but no melody), some drum patterns, some
piano twinkles and so on. And...believe it or not, almost every single
track, whether fast or slow, upbeat or sad, had lots and lots and lots
of ....take one guess .... yes, the famous harpsichord sample over and
over again - aaarrghh. Well, since it was 1991, what else could we
expect?
The famous 'I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You' track with
Chi Coltrane appeared at the end of show from the last scene into the
end credits and came as a suprise as it beared no relation to the film
or the rest of the music TD did for this show. Anyway, this track was
indeed the only memorable piece, plus the music that was later beefed
up into 'One Night In Medina' (Instrumental), so it is appropriate
that these two were released on a CD single. The rest was well done
film music, but nothing you would want to listen to on its own.
Hilmar
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Subject: Music for Unborns Revisited
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Lars,
sorry I never got around to our discussion about music for unborn
babies again, it was a very busy week here. Here are some thougts.
However, I believe we need to take this dicussion to email, as there
is practically no more TD content in it.
I really like the point you make about how babies learn how to speak
from grown-ups: indeed it is important not to talk down to them and
also not to use 'baby-talk', but rather speak normal as we would
always do. And you are right, it is important for any child to first
listen to the sound of language, even if it doesn't at first
understand a word, then slowly it will recognize pieces and parts
until it all begins to make more and more sense.
From that point of view, it would make perfect sense to draw the
analogy to music: By playing music, even if complex, the baby
subconciously discovers pieces such as notes, tempo, structure etc
until it can begin to understand more and more of it.
But: in reality (i.e. outside a lab) we never isolate the two methods
of 'teaching' (start easy, build to more complex) or 'learning' (let
the brain discover it on its own) because we always use a combination
of the two. A child listens to its parent's conversations, yet we do
take time to explain to it parts it doesn't understand and use
children's books etc. This approach is probably the best, because it
encourages the brain from both directions. Either method alone would
take longer to reach its target.
This would then in turn mean that we would have to play both kinds of
music to the baby. Yeah, a simple melody during the day and a blast of
TD in the evening, that's it!
>Thus, it probably doesn't matter if we play TD to ours
> or if you sing to yours, both will produce postive results.
Yes, to a degree. BUT: interestingly, I just received a brochure from
a company that advertises a set of 4 tapes 'music for babies'. Tape 1
is for in-utero, the rest of the tapes is for every 6 months of
development. I don't know what exactly is on the tapes, but they say
it is based on scientific studies (yeah, of course - what else would
they say?) and claim that it is a combination of simple patterns
(developing from heartbeat to more complex rhythms) as well as 'music
without melody based on natural sounds such as flutes, birds etc.'
They claim that lab studies have shown that babies respond in a very
positive way to all sounds that are described as 'pure' and name as
examples for pure sounds: musical box, bird, flute, glockenspiel etc.
Funny thing is: even in this advertising brochure they state that
these tapes have been proven to stimulate the babies development but
admit that the tapes are only the next best thing, second to the human
voice! If a company that wants to sell their product puts such a
disclaimer in their brochure, then there must be very clear results
that the human voice is better, results which they cannot argue
against.
Anyway, if the brochure is accurate, then we also have an answer to
the question of what babies 'like' and don't like.
A funny thought: What if I actually bought those tapes and found out
that they contain music.....by Tangerine Dream!
Hilmar
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Hi all,
Still lurking...
A little while ago JosÈ RamÛn wrote :
> There is some people that believe that Edgar Froese appear as an actor in
>the film The Keep. Look: This is in the beginnig of the film... The nazi
>soldiers arrive at the village... The villager look at the soldiers with
>fear... Then, a scene with two person sit down, in the right a old woman, in
>the left a strange man. Okey, look at his look, don't remember to Edgar Froese,
>but disguise? I don't know that believe. What do you think?
> Edgar, are you?
This vid was still in the player and I just had to have a look to see if
there was any truth in this. The gent with the tash _could_ be Edgar. He
has Edgar's build but his cheek bones are maybe a bit to thin (make up?) to
be a dead-ringer. Still, Edgar and Chris did visit the set of 'The Keep' so
there's a strong possibility that it's the man himself.
Notice that you don't see the woman's face much. Could this be Chris?
Cheers
David
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Subject: Chris Franke for Sale
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Really-From: Vic Rek
I have a few Christopher Franke items for sale/trade (all CDs):
1. Pacific Coast Highway - US Private Music 01005-82094-2, original 1991 issue
2. Klemania - Austria SICD 8110, 2nd issue with re-mix, 1993
3. Enchanting Nature - US Earthtone ET7401-2, original digipak issue, 1994
4. Enchanting Nature - US Earthtone ET7401-2, jewel case issue
Paper items:
1. Promo 8.5 x 11 sheet for Klemania
2. Promo 8.5 x 11 sheet for Babylon 5, Vol. 2
3. Large Sonic Images poster with Chris and his synthesizers
ALSO 1 FRANKE ITEM WANTED:
1. Klemania - SICD 8110 'Promotion disc' (red printing on black CD body), re-mix
Please e-mail me privately for details/price.
Thanks,
Vic
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>Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
>This vid was still in the player and I just had to have a look to see if
>there was any truth in this. The gent with the tash _could_ be Edgar. He
>has Edgar's build but his cheek bones are maybe a bit to thin (make up?) to
>be a dead-ringer. Still, Edgar and Chris did visit the set of 'The Keep' so
>there's a strong possibility that it's the man himself.
>
>Notice that you don't see the woman's face much. Could this be Chris?
There is a movie called 'Checkpoint Charley' that has Edgar as one of the
actors. I have never seen this video. Anybody care to comment?
Vic
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Subject: Re: Chris Franke for Sale
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>Subject: Chris Franke for Sale
>Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:34:50 -0400 (EDT)
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>I have a few Christopher Franke items for sale/trade (all CDs):
>
>1. Pacific Coast Highway - US Private Music 01005-82094-2,
> original 1991 issue
This is interesting. I didn't know that PCH ever came out on
Private Music. I got a French import of it from Ranjit before it was
released in the USA.
>2. Klemania - Austria SICD 8110, 2nd issue with re-mix, 1993
What do you want for this? How about $15.00? (Am I to believe,
then, that the versions of 'Morphing Space' are different on the
1st, 2nd, and 3rd releases of KLEMANIA, and that the versions on the
CD-single are different from all of *those* three?)
>Paper items:
>1. Promo 8.5 x 11 sheet for Klemania
>3. Large Sonic Images poster with Chris and his synthesizers
How much?
>ALSO 1 FRANKE ITEM WANTED:
>1. Klemania - SICD 8110 'Promotion disc'
> (red printing on black CD body), re-mix
Never heard of this one. Is this a promo of the CD-single or
of the entire album? And *which* version of the album???
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Subject: Faces behind the names
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> Quoted From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
> btw: I really like the poll thing. It would be even nicer if we see the
> faces
> behind the names. Just an idea.
>
I agree Marcel! I've had the fortune of meeting one person from the
list so far. (Hi, Lars!) And I know there's a handful of others living
right here in Air-zona, but I haven't had the chance to meet them yet.
Hopefully we can get together when TD comes through here next year.
I know, maybe we could calculate the median location relative to where
everyone lives and have everyone meet there... Nope, better not. It's
probably in the ocean somewhere. :-)
Dave Brewer
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Really-From: Vincent Codd
Hi there
Thanks to Jens, Martin and Stefan for information about 'Die Melodie aus
dem gleichnamigen Tatort'. It's nice to know the context of the music
you're listening to sometimes.
Good job guys
Vince
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You know for real that TD is going to Arizona next year?
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> Quoted From: AOutland@a...
>
> You know for real that TD is going to Arizona next year?
>
No, I just hope for real that they will! :-) Anyway, it's strange that
this message got sent out again when I sent it quite some time ago...
Whatever.
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>Subject: Re: Chris Franke for Sale
>Date: Fri, 26 Sep 97 12:07:28 EDT
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
>>Subject: Chris Franke for Sale
>>Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:34:50 -0400 (EDT)
>>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>>Really-From: Vic Rek
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>>I have a few Christopher Franke items for sale/trade (all CDs):
Sorry about that. The TD list is set up funny on my site's
conferencing system. If I want to quote text to someone in a private
e-mail message, I have to delete tadream and add the person's net
address manually. Sometimes I forget.
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: GROWNUP MUSIC
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
in a previous letter hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft)
states think TDs music is for the most part 'grown-up' musicThe possible
exception may be Rumpeltstiltskin, although I haven't listened to it
yet. I know many of you would probably kill me for saying this, but I find
Kraftwerk to be more of a challenge mentally than TD.......
Prepare to die!!!! Just kidding, I will have to disagree tho, Listen to
rumplestilskin , it is very similar to the CLASSICAl music you also enjoy. Also
fellow tangers, I saw SOLO yesterday and heard ole CHRISTOPHER FRANKES latest
try at FILM composition......please lord hear my prayer....slap ole CHRIS a
roundabout. I enjoy experimentation and all but it seems to me he's going
through the motions in his soundtrack work . Just cuz he prefers to distance
himself from TANG doesn't mean he's got to be so darn repetitous! John williams
he ain't!!!!! Opinions? I mean he has done enuff of these things lately. BY the
way since I don't have it and no one seems to have discussed last weeks
topic...how is PERRY by Franke? Is is electronic or is it more his hollywood
celestine style? And is he doing the Celestine serires or not? Also I have a
source for the 70-80 lp box set for 40.00 Should I , is this worth it???
Tank
you...hi Lars!
Hi
goozer!!!!
Christopher
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Subject: Reves Christal CD from TANGERINE DREAM
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Hello at all.
In the web shop 'Compact Disc Europe' I have seen the «Reves Christal» CD
from TANGERINE DREAM. Does someone know it? Please, report me information.
Thanks.
José Ramón
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Subject: True North, A Tangerine Dream's Soundtrack???
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Really-From: Richard Bilek
Hello dreamers,
sooner I heard about album named True North - with an explanation
that this is Tangerine Dream's Soundtrack.
So I purchased this album, and here is my report: it it NOT true!
This album is Miramax Compilation of 'their' authors, such as
John Serrie, Paul Speer, James Reynolds and Tangerine Dream.
TD has only one song here, Touchwood, absolutely same as on Rockoon.
No, it is not bad album. Music is excellent, if you like 90's period
of Tangerine Dream, then you must like this album too. But if you want
listen only TD music, then you are in wrong place.
And why soundtrack? Same music is available as full-length wideo album
also produced by Miramax - I do not have it, but it probably contain
videoclips only.
So please, think twice before buying this album.
Details:
True North: Miramax, MPCD4002, 1992
1. True North by Paul Speer 4:23
2. Flightpath by John Serrie 4:13
3. Third Stone From The Sun by Paul Speer 4:12
4. Stolen Fire by John Serrie 4:42
5. Touchwood by Tangerine Dream 4:42
6. Whispers Of Light by James Reynolds 4:34
7. Adagio Dolente by Paul Speer 5:51
8. Tingri by John Serrie 4:21
9. One More River Passing by James Reynolds 4:21
0. True North Reprise by Paul Speer 2:31
Greetings, Richard Bilek
--
from Praha/Prague, Mother Of All Cities
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Hi all,
Somewhat hungover...
Yesterday's digest turned up and, Gawd, there was only _one_ entry in it.
I've watched, with considerable dismay, the activity on this digest fall
dramatically over the past few months. Washappinin', folks?
Sheesh : there was more activity on the space-music digest... :(
Let's get this thang kicked back into life...
Ash, fancy saying something completely controversial again? Spice Girls, anyone?
Paul, any witty insights into Ash's musings? Classical Music, perhaps...
Where is Mark Filipak when you need him? Jeff Goldberg, we loves ya?
Andrew, Grant, Eric, please save the day. All those renegades that have
gone off to GoldTri, please come back. All is forgiven.
Let's put the TD sign in the sky, raise the flag, sound the horn...
The TD digest : this was our, last, best hope...
Cheers
David (Still hung over...)
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
Hi, Folks !
Mario Schoenwaelder told me, that a free Keller/Schoenwaelder
concert will take place in Dillenburg/Germany on november, the 7th at
10:00 pm GMT-1.
The concert will be one highlight of a multimedia fair called 'MEDIA'
in Dillenburg (ca. 100 km south of Frankfurt/Main) and
will be broadcasted via Internet too !!
Just move your browser to the new webserver of Manikin records
(www.manikin.de) which will be up in a few weeks.
NOT YET, lads&gents, I´ve just checked it :-(
Will keep you informed if any more informations´s avaiable.
Like all Keller/Schoenwaelder live sets this will be improvised stuff,
so watch out and go for it !
Since Detlef Keller lives in Duisburg next to the Dutch border while
Mario Schoenwaelder resides in Berlin they can´t exercise for any
live performance.
I´m not sure if the set will ever be released on CD,
but if enough people will like it WE can make this happen, perhaps.
All4now
Jens
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Subject: RE: Edgar in drag...
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>Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>Still lurking...
>
>A little while ago JosÈ RamÛn wrote :
>
> > There is some people that believe that Edgar Froese appear as an actor
in
> >the film The Keep. Look: This is in the beginnig of the film... The nazi
> >soldiers arrive at the village... The villager look at the soldiers with
> >fear... Then, a scene with two person sit down, in the right a old woman, in
> >the left a strange man. Okey, look at his look, don't remember to Edgar
Froese,
> >but disguise? I don't know that believe. What do you think?
> > Edgar, are you?
>
>This vid was still in the player and I just had to have a look to see if
>there was any truth in this. The gent with the tash _could_ be Edgar. He
>has Edgar's build but his cheek bones are maybe a bit to thin (make up?) to
>be a dead-ringer. Still, Edgar and Chris did visit the set of 'The Keep' so
>there's a strong possibility that it's the man himself.
>
>Notice that you don't see the woman's face much. Could this be Chris?
>
>Cheers
> David
This is interesting. I have seen again the scene. I don't know, I don't
know,... I believe that the woman isn't Chris Franke. Does someone more say
something?
José Ramón
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At 11:02 AM 9/28/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Really-From: dhughes@g... (David J. Hughes)
>
>Hi all,
>
>Somewhat hungover...
>
>Yesterday's digest turned up and, Gawd, there was only _one_ entry in it.
>I've watched, with considerable dismay, the activity on this digest fall
>dramatically over the past few months. Washappinin', folks?
>
>Sheesh : there was more activity on the space-music digest... :(
Not having any of the TD books, I wouldn't know, but I would like to see
some *reviews* --including opinions of *every fantape/bootleg* in
existance. If this already exists, let me know, if not, I wish there were
more detailed summaries, including trackographies, etc. (Not as complicated
as some of the ones I've seen online, but just a list of all known songs
and perhaps a minute-meter of how many minutes of unreleased stuff appears
on each tape)
feldon@p...
P.S. If any of you have fantapes/CDs and have the ability to record the
music into your computer and turn it into MPEG-3 files, (in other words
almost everyone on this list), why not grab a 4-6 minute segment and
capture it. You can save lots of space by keeping the sound Mono. A 4-5
minute mono CD quality segment is about 2 megabytes. I'm getting 10 MB of
webspace this coming week and I'll host this stuff. You've probably got
webspace you don't even know you have... :)
I'm already considering recording the *entire* 14 minute encore from the
Jan 31st 1980 Berlin show. It seems to be very rare. (Special thanks to
John Burek for getting me a copy of this excellent track). WARNING: this
file will be 7-8 MB. I might split a ZIP into 3 pieces (easy-to-open on Mac
or PC, relax guys!)
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At 11:02 AM 9/28/97 +0100, David wrote:
>Where is Mark Filipak when you need him? Jeff Goldberg, we loves ya?
>Andrew, Grant, Eric, please save the day. All those renegades that have
>gone off to GoldTri, please come back. All is forgiven.
>
>Let's put the TD sign in the sky, raise the flag, sound the horn...
>
>The TD digest : this was our, last, best hope...
OK, here it goes... flame away... I am developing a case of the
lizard skin...
How much more can we still talk EVERY day about TD? How more
dissecting, analyzing, reporting on obscure, utterly
insignificant details can we still be interested in? Is it still
worth discussing TD, when the enjoyment of music becomes,
instead, a compelling need to talk about yet another label color?
These are not rhetorical questions. I would be glad to be proven wrong.
But importantly... you, David, should NOT have the time to write
us. You should be inserting nice little covers in the jewel boxes
of 'Generator,' smoothing over the many, many wonderful sounds
you created during the summer concert-season, and working on your
5-disc box set.
BTW, if the uptight-folks, OK purists, would open up the
acceptable topic range to ALL e-music, there would be no need for
GoldTri. This would not really be off-topic, if one were to
extend the TD-topic to include all music for which TD can be
considered the roots or progenitor. As is, about the only reason
I even get this list is to see if new faces appear (in need of
help), reports on new TD releases and new boot finds. The word
that repeats in the previous sentence is NEW.
There are some interesting developments here sometimes (although
Francisco's project got stuck in some branches way above me --
since I never heard about that much awaited CDR I have been
waiting for, what, a year). However, the only happy moment in the
recent memory has been Jeffrey Au-Yeung's informative little
treatise on the cover of Quinoa. Met with stone-silence. Oh,
yes... and Scott Plumer little book. Hey, Scott, you got some
left? I need three more.
My greatest enjoyment has been meeting other folks (you included)
who share THIS common interest. Many of us have paired-off in
private discussions, which in my case has always carried us into
areas significantly expanded than just simply TD.
You want to talk about excruciating details relating to the
pimples on Jerome's face? Cool. But I am not interested.
These are just personal opinions, of course.
Andrew
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Dans un courrier date du 28/09/97 09:27:05 , vous avez ecrit :
<< 3. Third Stone From The Sun by Paul Speer 4:12
>>
is written by Jimi Hendrix and performed by Paul Speer.
OK?
fred
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In a message dated 97-09-28 06:05:28 EDT,
<<
Hi all,
Somewhat hungover...
Yesterday's digest turned up and, Gawd, there was only _one_ entry in it.
I've watched, with considerable dismay, the activity on this digest fall
dramatically over the past few months. Washappinin', folks?
Cheers
David (Still hung over...)
>>
I have watched the same thing going on for several months. I would
attribute it to several things, because I have not been participating much
myself. Those reasons are - -
1. The programmed discussions are not really that interesting. Franke
is good but he is not TD. Perhaps when the Froese Solo discussions begin the
list will regenerate.
2. The server has changed and the monitoring is different if not
totally absent. I kind of miss that aspect, for some reason which I am
totally unable to justify.
3. Much of the discussions of late have been in regard to boots and fan
tapes which I really have very little interest.
4. Much of the thoughtful discussions have disappeared maybe due to the
above three. I don't know. Several weeks ago I posted a bit of flamebait
and got zilch response!!
5. Often I find myself deleting, without reading, posts with lists and
lists of song titles and timings and dates because I am primarily interested
in the music. This is the first post I've read all the way through from the
list in weeks.
6. I have had moments when I have thought of unsubscribing (sacrilege)
because of the chaff in the TD air space, but I have fought the inclination
because of fond memories of the last three years or so.
7. Maybe it is because the group itself has become more-or-less
lackluster of late. Sad to say!!
Phil Naunton
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Anyone else aside from myself think of the following 2 possibilities:
1) an upcoming new TD album
2) a REALLY BAD misspelling of 'Rheims Cathedral'?
Gabe
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In a message dated 97-09-28 14:19:13 EDT, you write:
<< 7. Maybe it is because the group itself has become more-or-less
lackluster of late. Sad to say!! >>
tom w
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Hi All,
Anyone into electronic music (not just TD!) might find a visit to the
following site quite worthwhile :
http://www.electronicmusic.com
This is a general purpose EM page with quite a wide variety of information
covering lots of aspects of electronic music. They were also kind enough to
give us a nice review of our first CD, The Infection of Time. Check 'em
out...
Cheers
David
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This week we would like to hear comments on:
Edgar Froese - Aqua
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Please make subject 'D:Aqua' when commenting.
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At 02:12 PM 9/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: PNaunton@a...
> I have watched the same thing going on for several months. I would
>attribute it to several things, because I have not been participating much
>myself. Those reasons are - -
> 1. The programmed discussions are not really that interesting. Franke
>is good but he is not TD. Perhaps when the Froese Solo discussions begin the
>list will regenerate.
> 2. The server has changed and the monitoring is different if not
>totally absent. I kind of miss that aspect, for some reason which I am
>totally unable to justify.
> 3. Much of the discussions of late have been in regard to boots and fan
>tapes which I really have very little interest.
I have to admit that I'm still interested in boots and fantapes. First
because it is my belief that Edgar and Jerome aren't unhappy with us having
them and understand that we already own almost every other official TD
release.
Second, because they're publishing almost every minute of music they play
nowadays onto CD. Even alternate versions of the same track. Yet, they
didn't release lots of stuff between 1974-1984 (whether this is Virgin or
Relativity's fault is neither here nor there). I am only focused on music
from then. I just don't see the concept of having fantapes of anything
after 1992. Maybe TD should just give us the MIDI files on floppy...
Anyway, what I would like to see, that I haven't seen and maybe has been
attacked in the past, are *opinions* about TD releases, boots, fantapes,
and perhaps reflections by people when listening to TD.
I don't consider myself a musician, but listening to TD has led me to at
least fewl around with my keyboard (and realize I need a real one!)...
> 5. Often I find myself deleting, without reading, posts with lists and
>lists of song titles and timings and dates because I am primarily interested
>in the music.
I have made various comments about this and have been grateful for Mark's
work in trying to do complete trackographies of each and every boot or
alternate version out there. Frankly, the format is a big turnoff for me,
sorry to say.
>This is the first post I've read all the way through from the
>list in weeks.
I've reached the stage of deleting messages based on topic. A stage I never
thought I'd reach.
Morgan
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
Good timing, Vic, let´s talk about music ;-)
Aqua by Edgar Froese (1974)
01 Aqua [16:58]
02 Panorphelia [9:38]
03 ngc 891 [14:50]
04 Upland [6:31]
was recorded from nov. 93 to march 74
while Phaedra was recorded in december 1973.
01 Aqua [16:58]
Bubbles, Mellotron and VCS 3 Synthi.
02 Panorphelia [9:38]
Sounds like a vacuum cleaner and a bubbling engine
overlayered with some mellotron chords and single tones.
It´s worthful since Edgar develops sounds which
TD used on Rubycon some month later.
Interesting Mellotron sound experiments
(not?) only for hardcore fans,IMHO.
03 ngc 891 [14:50] (with Chris Franke)
Recorded with an artificial head system.
Really interesting stereo effects can be heard
if headphones are used.
A brilliant sequencer line (similiar to 'Phaedra') turns in at
the 4 minutes mark combined with a quick synth solo.
Maybe the best track on this CD.
This track is the reason why I hold this CD.
04 Upland [6:31]
Again bubbles with Mellotron/Organ.
Edgars adds some classic-influenced Organ solo work.
The sound is slightly better sound than on track 1 and 2.
To sum it up:
ngc 891 is a nice peace, worthful enough to hold the CD,
the other tracks are only interesting from a historical
view. How Rubycon would sound whithout the 'Aqua' release ?
BTW, while writing these lines I hear it the first time since
two years or so. Never liked it very much.
Jens
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
The first track on Edgar's first solo album, AQUA, is the title
track, and it's great--possibly one of *the* most psychedelic of all of
the TD-related stuff out there. It takes awhile to get used to, but
once you do, it's more exciting than RICOCHET. (Flamebait, anyone?) I
never understood why people like 'Wahn' (from either ALPHA CENTAURI or
ATEM; I forget), but 'Aqua'? I wish more of GREEN DESERT was like AQUA
or EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE, or even RUBYCON, than PHAEDRA. Except for
'Movements of a Visionary,' I find PHAEDRA very uneven. And, actually,
the same goes for AQUA. It's really the title track that does it for
*this* little Dreamer.
-- Steven Feldman
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The video 'True North' has excellent photography, the music is ok. Turn
off the music on the video, pop in your favorite TD album, and enjoy the
scenery!
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Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 09:26 PM 9/28/97 +0100, David wrote:
>Anyone into electronic music (not just TD!) might find a visit to the
>following site quite worthwhile :
>
> http://www.electronicmusic.com
>
>This is a general purpose EM page with quite a wide variety of
information
>covering lots of aspects of electronic music. They were also
kind enough to
>give us a nice review of our first CD, The Infection of Time. Check 'em
>out...
Terrific and very instructive. I am looking forward to spending
some quality time with them. :-)
Thanks.
Andrew
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> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> The first track on Edgar's first solo album, AQUA, is the title
> track, and it's great--possibly one of *the* most psychedelic of all of
> the TD-related stuff out there. It takes awhile to get used to, but
> once you do, it's more exciting than RICOCHET. (Flamebait, anyone?)
Flamebait ? You want to have a real battle ?
NO, not with me, Steven, you know Germans have had enough battles for
the next century ;-)
If you enjoy aqua more than ricochet, I don´t care ´bout it.
Yes, I agree it´s phsychedelic. But I think it´s just a trial for Edgar,
IMHO !
I don´t like 'Wahn' from 'Atem' too. Aqua is much better than Atem,
bacause it contains ngc 891, IMO.
But if you compare 'Ricochet' with 'Aqua' it seems you
might prefer the title 'Aqua' to 'Encore' too.
Oh well, Stephen, I can´t help you !
Tell you what: I really love Ricochet: Part 2 contains the most
beautiful sequencing I ever heard though I know many EM artists.
But this is just my personal point of view.
Without Ricochet, which is still (since 18 years) in my top 3 TD CDs
I wouldn´t fall in love with these guys.
This is nor a battle neither a flamebait, Steven.
Just our opinions, or ?
Cheers, Steven !
Jens
> I never understood why people like 'Wahn' (from either ALPHA CENTAURI or
> ATEM; I forget), but 'Aqua'? I wish more of GREEN DESERT was like AQUA
> or EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE, or even RUBYCON, than PHAEDRA. Except for
> 'Movements of a Visionary,' I find PHAEDRA very uneven. And, actually,
> the same goes for AQUA. It's really the title track that does it for
> *this* little Dreamer.
>
> -- Steven Feldman
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Hi All,
I feel a little crappy sending this to the list, since Mark Filipak
is not here to comment on it -- ;) -- but I tried to call him on the
telephone (remember those?) last night and this afternoon. (Hey, I even
left a message on his answering machine, so he might get back to me!)
Here's what I sent to Hypnotic (and a variant thereof to Rising Star):
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
33 Brook Street, Apt. 3
Brookline, MA 02146-6913
September 25, 1997
Hypnotic Records
87226 S. Sepulveda Blvd., Suite D-82
Los Angeles, CA 90045
Folks, a Proposition:
There are quite a few Tangerine Dream compilation albums with the
word 'dream' in their titles (Book of Dreams, Dream Mixes, Dream Music I
& II, Dream Roots, Dream Sequence) and one entitled The Best of
Tangerine Dream, and yet there remains to be released a package called
'Tangerine Dream's Greatest Hits.' This is due largely to the fact that
none of the band's many labels have seen fit to include songs from rival
labels on their compilations. What label wants to credit their rivals
with being responsible for more than half of a band's hits when they're
the ones issuing the package? I'm writing to you because your two
compilation albums, TANGERINE AMBIENCE--A TRIBUTE TO TANGERINE DREAM and
TANGERINE AMBIENCE II, have featured Tangerine Dream tracks exclusively
from labels other than your own.
The proliferation of Tangerine Dream compilation packages that
feature material only from the label pressing them ultimately does
everyone a disservice. They sell the band short by giving the false
impression that the selected material is representative of their
(quality) work as a whole. Long overdue is a 3-CD set of TD's shorter,
punchier tunes (from soundtracks, 45s, and CD-singles, as well as the
regular albums issued by Virgin, MCA, Varese Sarabande, Jive,
Relativity, Private Music, Silva Screen, Miramar, Sequel, etc., ad
nauseum). Such a set would sell better than all previous collections by
virtue of its having the greatest variety, the greatest amount of tracks
(short tracks add up fast), and all the key recordings that would compel
even the most skittish buyer to buy the collection. The popular tracks
from the soundtracks alone would do the trickÈand you could include both
studio versions of 'Love on a Real Train (Risky Business)' (the first
pressing of the LP has a much different version than later pressings or
the CD) as well as the live version from the Three Phase video (which,
thus far, has only been on video and laserdisk, not CD). And since
you'd be using material under license from other companies, you could
even include the band's two rarest singles, 'Ultima Thule, Pt. 1' b/w
'Ultima Thule, Pt. 2' and 'Lady Greengrass' b/w 'Love of Mine'--the
latter of which was recorded by TD founder Edgar Froese with his first
band, The Ones.
I am appending to this message a suggested track listing for the
sort of compilation album I am talking about. Granted, the selection is
subjective, but I'm reasonably sure that many of the choices are
universal, given that the purpose of the collection would be to show TD
in the best possible light to the greatest with pop appeal (stopping
short of tacky tunes like 'Optical Race' and Melrose's 'Cool at Heart,'
though, one would hope).
You will notice that the band's actual hits, i.e. those albums
which charted highest in the UK and/or USA, are underrepresented. This
is because I am not defining 'hit' by sales (because TD's music doesn't
sell as singles but as albums), but by the memorability of a given tune,
its relative brevity, and its use in local news spots and sporting
events. There is an Internet mailing list for the band. If you think my
choices are off-base, you can contact the people on that list at
or look at the web site
and see what the consensus
is there.
In keeping with representing the entirety of TD's career, it would
be nice if you included in an accompanying booklet photos of the jacket
artwork from every TD release to date (including the 45, 12', and CD-5
selections featured, as well as alternate jackets like the British
versions of Exit, Near Dark, and Shy People). Listing the compilation's
tracks beneath their corresponding jacket images would be even better--
and listing all the tracks beneath each corresponding jacket image with
the compilation's tracks highlighted in boldface would be better still.
Such a package would serve not only to impress the casual buyer (who
would think he is getting a bargain with a spiffy booklet and such a
large selection from so immense a body of work), but to hook the jaded
TD collector (who would love to have the booklet for quick reference and
the CDs to gain new TD converts), as well! Notice how Virgin has
included pictures of the jacket art from their TD album library inside
their Super-Bit-Mapping TD releases, and how ex-TD member Chris Franke
(of Babylon 5 fame) did the same with his Pacific Coast Highway solo
album.
Why am I writing to you about this? I'm a fan who has a hard time
convincing people why the band is so great--because there aren't any
compilation albums that represent the band's music adequately in its
diversity and expanse. TD has 56 albums, now, but if one judged their
input from even the most wide-ranging of their compilations, the 5-CD
set, Tangents, one would think they only had 18 albums! The 3-CD
compilation I suggest would represent 34 albums, 1 video, 3 45 rpm
singles, and 2 CD-singles: 40 sources!
Yours truly,
Steven Feldman
(617) 232þ3876
Tangerine Dream's Greatest Hits?
1966 Lady Greengrass (A-side of 45 by Edgar Froese's first group, The
Ones) 2:41 Star-Club
1966 Love of Mine (B-side of 45 by The Ones) 3:03 Star-Club Records,
Hamburg
1971 Ultima Thule, Part 1 (A-side of 45) 3:27 Ohr Records, Berlin
1971 Ultima Thule, Part 2 (B-side of 45) 4:17 Ohr Records, Berlin
1974 Movements of a Visionary (PHAEDRA) 7:54 Virgin Records
1977 Betrayal (Sorcerer Theme) (SORCERER) 3:41 MCA Records
1979 Cloudburst Flight (FORCE MAJEURE) 7:21 Virgin Records
1980 Beach Theme (THIEF soundtrack) 3:44 Elektra/Asylum Records
1981 Kiew Mission (EXIT) 9:18 Elektra/Asylum Records
1982 White Eagle (WHITE EAGLE) 4:30 Virgin Records
1983 Daydream (German 45 [A-side]; TATORT [a TV show] soundtrack) 4:40
Virgin, Munich
1983 Moorland (German 45 [B-side]; TATORT [a TV show] soundtrack) 3:50
Virgin, Munich
1983 Cinnamon Road (HYPERBOREA) 3:54 Virgin Records
1983 Rare Bird (UK 12'; short track at the end of 'Tangent' on POLAND)
3:55 Sequel Records
1983 Mojave End Title (WAVELENGTH soundtrack) 4:11 Varese Sarabande
Records
1983 Love on a Real Train (RISKY BUSINESS sndtrck; rare version: 1st LP
pressing) 2:15 Virgin
1983 Love on a Real Train (RISKY BUSINESS sndtrck; 2nd LP pressing/CD
version) 3:58 Virgin
1984 Charley the Kid (FIRESTARTER soundtrack) 3:51 Varese Sarabande
Records
1984 Love Theme (THE PARK IS MINE soundtrack) 3:32 Silva America
1984 Going West (FLASHPOINT soundtrack) 4:10 Silva America
1985 Gaudi Park (LE PARC) 5:10 Sequel Records
1985 Desire (HEARTBREAKERS) 5:38 Silva America
1986 Dolphin Dance (UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT) 5:05 Sequel Records
1987 Canyon Carver (CANYON DREAMS soundtrack) 4:17 Miramar Records
1987 Bus Station (NEAR DARK soundtrack) 4:15 Varese Sarabande Records
1988 Mothers of Rain (OPTICAL RACE) 5:13 Private Music Records
1989 People in the News (MIRACLE MILE soundtrack) 5:10 Private Music
Records
1989 Crystal Curfew (LILY ON THE BEACH) 4:57 Private Music Records
1990 Dolls in the Shadow (MELROSE) 5:10 Private Music Records
1990 Theme from 'Dead Solid Perfect' (DEAD SOLID PERFECT soundtrack)
3:19 Silva America
1991 Correlation of Lies (THE MAN INSIDE soundtrack) 3:45 EMI France
1992 Vigour (bonus track on 1992 re-issue of the 1987 album, TYGER)
4:56 Relativity Records
1992 Touchwood (ROCKOON) 4:34 Miramar Records
1992 RockoonÈSpecial Radio Edit (CD-5 [from ROCKOON]) 4:16 Miramar
Records
1993 Hamlet (220 VOLT LIVE) 8:30 Miramar Records
1993 Love on a Real Train (Risky Business) (from the THREE PHASE [live]
video) 3:17 Miramar
1994 Twilight Brigade (TURN OF THE TIDES) 9:45 Miramar Records
1994 Story of the Brave (CD-5 [from TURN OF THE TIDES]) 5:17 Miramar
Records
1994 The Conspiracy (ZONING soundtrack) 5:54 Repertoire Records,
Hamburg
1995 Catwalk (TYRANNY OF BEAUTY) 7:21 Miramar Records
1995 Rough Embrace (THE DREAM MIXES) 5:30 Miramar Records
1996 Towards the Evening Star (GOBLINS' CLUB) 6:16 Sequel Records
1997 Flashflood (OASIS soundtrack) 6:58 Miramar Records
TOTAL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 206 minutes and 50 seconds
Divide 206:50 by 3 (for three CDs), and you get 68:56 -- roughly three
69-minute CDs.
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I'm new; I could use some help. But my main focus is and probably always will
be TD. Dell
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Really-From: Vic Rek
Well, I have to agree with Phil on the comment:
<< 1. The programmed discussions are not really that interesting. Franke
is good but he is not TD. Perhaps when the Froese Solo discussions begin the
list will regenerate. >>
Since I'm kind of posting these 'programmed' discussions, I didn't want to
comment during the 12 long weeks of Franke, but I was getting burned out
myself. And the only reason why I was getting burned out was because of such
LOW participation.
>Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
>Good timing, Vic, let´s talk about music ;-)
Maybe everybody was waiting for the D:Froese discussion? I hope so. Here
is a short summary of the D:Solo responses so far:
Peter Baumann - Romance '76 5
Trans Harmonic Nights 4
Repeat Repeat 3
Strangers in the Night 2
Phase by Phase 2
Christopher Franke - Pacific Coast Highway 11
McBain 1
The London Concert 5
Universal Soldier 2
New Music for Films: Vol. 1 2
Klemania 1
Tommyknockers 1
Morphing Space 'The Singles' 1
Raven 4
Enchanting Nature 3
Babylon 5 Vol. 1 2
Night of the Running Man 1
The Celestine Prophecy 4
Tenchi-Muyo! in Love 2
Perry Rhodan - Pax Terra 1
Bridge to Eternity (single) 1
Babylon 5 Vol. 2 0
Pacific Blue 0
Babylon 5 Episodes Series 3
Not the same response as for the TD discussion of course ;-)
And for those who hate TD and related details and have gotten this far - I
say tough! I like it all, let's just have more of it.
I want to hear about every release detail possible. I also like to hear
comments on the music, and every discussion inbetween. I don't mind reading
about different electronic artists from time to time on this list, but I
would be against making this a general electronic music discussion list.
OK, let's have some fun! It's YOU the list member that makes this list, so
don't just wait for someone else to contribute. Tell us why you are here?
Vic
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I agree with you Jens. Since 1980 when I first heard Ricochet I have
been a total fan of this group. Only albums better are Live Miles and Tangram
in my opinion. Dell
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
>
> Hi All,
> I feel a little crappy sending this to the list, since Mark Filipak
> is not here to comment on it -- ;) -- but I tried to call him on the
> telephone (remember those?) last night and this afternoon. (Hey, I even
> left a message on his answering machine, so he might get back to me!)
Steven, great joyb !
Let him know that we all really miss him.
I would be very happy if he returns to our internet live ;-)
Your TD´s greatest hits idea is really cool , BTW.
Steven, I count on you !
Regards to all!
Jens
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I am looking forward to some new compositions. I have just about worked thru
my old CD's and tapes as well as more recent TD's and have a craving for a
new way to while away these rush hour traffic jams. Any word???? Plus, any
advice on rediscovering old TD would be appreciated.
Also, any word on tours, esp. with SF,CA as a destination?
JTURANIN@A...
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I am looking forward to some new compositions. I have just about worked thru
my old CD's and tapes as well as more recent TD's and have a craving for a
new way to while away these rush hour traffic jams. Any word???? Plus, any
advice on rediscovering old TD would be appreciated.
Also, any word on tours, esp. with SF,CA as a destination?
JTURANIN@A...
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I quite like your selection of 'hits', but a few obvious picks are
omitted, most notably 'Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe', the only real 'hit'
they band has had anywhere. I would also suggest Chris Franke's 'Chimes
and Chains', Logos 'Blue Part', the Theme from Streethawk, 'Tiergarten',
'Cottage' (or something from Legend), 'Horns of Doom', 'A Time For Heroes
(it's cheesy, but so is 'Love of Mine'), 'Fort Worth Runway One', and
'Quasar'
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
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In a message dated 97-09-28 17:01:25 EDT, you write:
<< I've reached the stage of deleting messages based on topic. A stage I
never
thought I'd reach.
Morgan
feldon@p...
>>
I'll mirror your statement word for word. I do a topic deletion
before I read any mail as well. I have not engaged in this process in regard
to TD ever before either.
Sign of the times? This, too, shall pass away, perchance.
Phil Naunton
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>>gone off to GoldTri, please come back. All is forgiven.
>>
Is it any easier to get on GoldTri? Are there many daily posts? I'd like
to try to subscribe again.
>How much more can we still talk EVERY day about TD? How more
>dissecting, analyzing, reporting on obscure, utterly
>insignificant details can we still be interested in? Is it still
>worth discussing TD, when the enjoyment of music becomes,
>instead, a compelling need to talk about yet another label color?
I have to agree with this. TD is my all time favorite group. I've been a
fan for 22 years but still...what can you continue to say thaat hasn't
been said many, many times before?
>BTW, if the uptight-folks, OK purists, would open up the
>acceptable topic range to ALL e-music, there would be no need for
>GoldTri. This would not really be off-topic, if one were to
>extend the TD-topic to include all music for which TD can be
>considered the roots or progenitor. As is, about the only reason
>I even get this list is to see if new faces appear (in need of
>help), reports on new TD releases and new boot finds. The word
>that repeats in the previous sentence is NEW.
I would support this idea. I agree this would not be completely off
topic.
Larry
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At 11:37 PM 9/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
>I quite like your selection of 'hits', but a few obvious picks are
>omitted, most notably 'Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe', the only real 'hit'
>they band has had anywhere. I would also suggest Chris Franke's 'Chimes
>and Chains', Logos 'Blue Part', the Theme from Streethawk, 'Tiergarten',
>'Cottage' (or something from Legend), 'Horns of Doom', 'A Time For Heroes
>(it's cheesy, but so is 'Love of Mine'), 'Fort Worth Runway One', and
>'Quasar'
I don't know about all those tracks, but i think Choronzon, Logos Blue
88-98, and Tiergarten would fit quite nicely. I'm not sure about a vocal
track, even if it is rare. Frankly, bits from live recordings would be more
historically interesting than stuff by The Ones. Other than that, i am
really excited by your letter to Hipnotic, Steven.
Morgan
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Really-From: Grant Middleton
I'd also...
include :-
Streethawk.
Warsaw in the Sun (12' single version).
No Man's Land.
Monolight first half (original from Encore).
Logos Blue (I think that's the colour anyhow :-)
Change :-
Beach Theme to the longer Beach Scene.
Rare Bird to Choronzon (well, it IS a variation
on a theme, no ?)
Ditch :-
Catwalk.
The older 'rarities'.
Just my opinion. BTW, great letter, Steven. I'm keeping
all my limbs crossed for you.
> I feel a little crappy sending this to the list, since Mark Filipak
> is not here to comment on it -- ;) -- but I tried to call him on the
> telephone (remember those?) last night and this afternoon. (Hey, I even
> left a message on his answering machine, so he might get back to me!)
If you hear anything, please let us know.
Grunt
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Subject: Reves Christal and others
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Really-From: Hilmar Kraft
Jose,
I checked the CD Europe page for Tangerine Dream and found the
3 mysterious items 'Reves Christal', 'De l'autre cote de la for...'
and 'Memoire' on Spalanx Records.
There is a very simple and obvious explanation: You typed in
TANGERINE as search word. The system then lists all bands with
the name Tangerine in it, and if you look closely, the 3 items
in question are all by a band called 'Tangerine', probably a french
band judging by the name of their albums.
So alas...no new bootleg or regular album. I had my hopes up too...
especially since Reves Christal in french is something like
'Crystal Dreams'...a very good and likely name for a TD boot.
PS: The search also comes up with a band 'Tangerine Zoo' with an
album 'Outside Looking In'.
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Really-From: ashok prema
>>
>>Notice that you don't see the woman's face much. Could this be Chris?
>>
>>Cheers
>> David
>
> This is interesting. I have seen again the scene. I don't know, I don't
>know,... I believe that the woman isn't Chris Franke. Does someone more say
>something?
>
> José Ramón
>
>
>------------------------------
Re: The Keep
>
After careful examination I think I agree with Jose'. The woman is almost
certainly NOT Chris. Dave's been at the bottle again - however, I thought
the inn-keepers son was Chris. What do you think??
Incidentally, did you know that the 'The Keep' film was filmed entirely in
Wales (UK)......the village was demolished afterwards......... instead of
turning it into holiday homes!
Ash
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Subject: Re: Reves Christal????
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> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:00:26 -0400 (EDT)
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> Really-From: Gabe Yedid
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>
> Anyone else aside from myself think of the following 2 possibilities:
>
> 1) an upcoming new TD album
> 2) a REALLY BAD misspelling of 'Rheims Cathedral'?
>
> Gabe
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> real email addresses: gabe@c...
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Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?='
> Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
>
> Anyone else aside from myself think of the following 2 possibilities:
>
> 1) an upcoming new TD album
> 2) a REALLY BAD misspelling of 'Rheims Cathedral'?
Oh, but the 'Rheims Cathedral' don't exist, exist the 'Live! Imrovised!'. I
believe that this option is very very very... gnarled?
I wrote to Compact Disc Europe, but they don't explain me that was 'Reves
Christal'.
Bye bye.
José Ramón
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Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 5:36
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Subject: Re: My TD's GREATEST HITS Letter to Hypnotic
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
Go Steve! Go Steve!
I too want to wish you the best of luck in convincing Hypnotic that this
is a great idea.
And I should keep that list, too; it would give me a basis (with some
modifications) for my own set of greatest hits/hook new fans package
(note: not for sale retail).
Gabe
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Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 5:40
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Subject: Jerome updates his web page
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
Just wanted to let you know that the long-overdue TD Guitar Gallery has
finally surfaced at www.netstore.de/~jvfields.
Seems Jerome is quite the HTML/Java coder, too...
The selection so far is a little modern-era biased (lots of Jerome's
axes, many of Edgar's post-86ers and even a few of Zlatko's) but this
will apparently change; the only real 'classic' is the Thief guitar.
Notable absences (so far) include Ed's '70s Les Pauls, his
micrometer-tuned Steinberger (the Hamlet guitar) and the Force
Majeure GR-500.
Gabe
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Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 7:31
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Subject: TD & Babies
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>I completely agree with the idea that babies can start to develop
>their brains even before they are born and that music stimulation is
Sorry to respond to such an old thread, but I've been away. My wife gave
birth to our second child on the 17th, and thus this thread has special
significance to me.
What I've read is that ANY sensory stimulation is a learning experience
for babies, so any extra stimulation, aural or tactile, you can give
them adds to their in utero learning experience. Whether they correlate
this into any meaningful data is another story. It may be that it simply
trains them to use their sensory organs and may speed up their ex utero
sensory development. Those of us with kids will know that there are new
baby toys that use black and white patterns as visual stimulation for
babies, based on the fact that their vision is still largely undeveloped
until about six months' age. Purportedly the contrast between the colors
stimulates their vision more, and some experts recommend toys with
stronger color contrasts, like primary colors instead of the more
traditional pastels.
This is only somewhat related: after son #2 was born, I did what I did
with #1 - I played a tape of TD on the way home from the hospital, so
the first music he ever heard was TD. The tape I played was Michal B.
tape from the Warsaw broadcast.
>I think TDs music is for the most part 'grown-up' music. With its
I think I disagree. My first son responded to such music very early in
his life (he's 5 now). I think there may be an instinctual reaction to
simpler rhythms and melodies that is primary in children, but as we
develop more sophistocated tastes, we acquire tastes for more
sophisticated music (some of us, anyway :-). Or it may be socialized.
We often underestimate the power of society. My 5-year-old, for example,
likes TD and can recognize them by style. He also likes Phish, Pink
Floyd, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers, as well as some current pop faves.
Barney and his ilk are nowhere to be found.
Scott
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Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 7:34
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Subject: Re: Eh Gad! Washappinin'?
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Really-From: PNaunton@a...
In a message dated 97-09-29 00:42:36 EDT
<< I have to agree with this. TD is my all time favorite group. I've been a
fan for 22 years but still...what can you continue to say thaat hasn't
been said many, many times before? >>
That is like asking, 'With only a twelve note scale, how much music
can you make?'
I disagree intrinsically with the statement. The only barrior to
new and interesting conversation is the limitations of the people conversing.
Even if TD had only one recording (given that it is a good one, of course)
there should be enough fodder for a lifetime of opinions, evaluations,
reviews, personnel, dreams, ideals, related matters, etc., etc., etc.,
Pass the torch. Let someone who is fresh for the race carry the
light to Athens and light the eternal flame. (Sounds of trumpets, drums, and
rousing cheers ring the air; all before Phil is mercifully shot in the right
temple.) _BANG!_ Thud!
'One small step for a man - - one giant leap for mankind.'
Phil Naunton
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Date: Mon Sep 29, 1997 1:56
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Subject: RE: Reves Christal and others
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>Really-From: Hilmar Kraft
>
>
>Jose,
>
>I checked the CD Europe page for Tangerine Dream and found the
>3 mysterious items 'Reves Christal', 'De l'autre cote de la for...'
>and 'Memoire' on Spalanx Records.
>
>There is a very simple and obvious explanation: You typed in
>TANGERINE as search word. The system then lists all bands with
>the name Tangerine in it, and if you look closely, the 3 items
>in question are all by a band called 'Tangerine', probably a french
>band judging by the name of their albums.
Thanks you, Hilmar, for these words. I didn't type TANGERINE as search
word, I typed TANGERINE DREAM. Later, I saw the others items, by a band called
'Tangerine', true. Exist a band called 'Tangerine'? This is a important
question.
>So alas...no new bootleg or regular album. I had my hopes up too...
>especially since Reves Christal in french is something like
>'Crystal Dreams'...a very good and likely name for a TD boot.
Of course, for that reason I wrote to the list. There are boots of
Tangerine Dream with the name 'Tangeryne Dream' or 'Tangerin Dream' instead of
Tangerine Dream (this is for the trade mark). Is this a boot of T. D. with the
name 'Tangerine'? Who know it?
Regards,
José Ramón
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Subject: The Shepher's Bush tree (Re: Eh Gad! Washappinin'?)
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
> Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
> There are some interesting developments here sometimes (although
> Francisco's project got stuck in some branches way above me --
> since I never heard about that much awaited CDR I have been
> waiting for, what, a year).
I'm glad to inform that the CDR branches are finally running. Although I
cannot communicate with Mark I know he has the complete set copy and I heard
it's been running at the moment. The European branch has the complete copy
too. So I hope this to be fully distributed by the end of october.
Sorry Folks for the huge delay, but I didn't have a CDR burner at the
beginning of this adventure so I ask Jose Luis Tur to do it. I took too much
time and finally ( after a 2 month delay) I didn't get any answer from him
In the process a hard disk broke, and another 2 week wait added. After I
bought a CDR burner. but I had big problems with track splitting without
having clicks in the process. Hilmar told me how to correct this and I did
it. But ( you aren't going to believe this ) my brand new Richoh MP6200S
crashed and I spent about 13 blank CDR to have a single complete copy and
one partial copy ( only set 1 and 3) the rest became damaged. But, folks, it
was August and at that month half Spain is on holidays ( and my Ricoh
supplier's technical service was closed, so I had to wait to september to
repair the unit.)
I sent the complete copy to Mark and the partial copy to Hilmar. Mark was
supposed to make a copy of set 2 for Hilmar, but finally I don't know what
happened because I cannot contact Mark but that copy never reached Germany,
so the last week I did the copy with a new CDR unit just received from the
tech service and send it via express delivery to Hilmar.
And that's all... Uhh ! what a story, isn't it ?
---Francisco
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Subject: Re: TD & Babies
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In a message dated 97-09-29 15:36:07 EDT, you write:
<< He also likes Phish, Pink
Floyd, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers, as well as some current pop faves.
Barney and his ilk are nowhere to be found. >>
i hope that by 'his ilk' you dont mean sesame street, which always has great
musical performances...ive seen ladysmith black mambazo, ziggy marley, harry
belafonte, tori amos, and so many others...but not td...yet....
tom w
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To answer your question: I'm here because I love TD music and I want to
learn all I can about them and how they make their music even the minute
details. Thank you. Dell
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Subject: Re: The Shepher's Bush tree (Re: Eh Gad! Washappinin'?)
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Really-From: Vic Rek
>Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
> I'm glad to inform that the CDR branches are finally running. Although I
>cannot communicate with Mark I know he has the complete set copy and I heard
>it's been running at the moment. The European branch has the complete copy
>too. So I hope this to be fully distributed by the end of october.
>[...]Sorry Folks for the huge delay, but [...]
Sorry Francisco about all the problems you encountered. I have to say that
many of us have been very patient, but now there's no Mark Filipak? I think
many of us have tried to contact him, even by phone, so does anybody know
what's up with him? Seems out of his character not to respond, so I am
beginning to worry. I hope everything's OK with him. And due to this
situation I will be pleasantly surprised if the CD-R reaches my branch by
the end of October, but in reality, I doubt it will reach us soon...
Vic
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Subject: White Out 'detail'
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Really-From: Vic Rek
I've discovered that Johannes Schmoelling's 'White Out' CD was released with
2 different tray inserts. One insert has the title and catalog number
printed on the spine, while the other is completely blank (as in white). Is
one of these a promo insert, or were they just released with the two
different tray inserts?
Vic
By the way, this is a great CD (some 'Logos' ideas are on this release)!
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Subject: The Story With Mark Filipak (IMPORTANT)
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
FIRST OF ALL, THERE ARE TWO IMPORTANT MESSAGES AT THE END OF THIS NOTE:
ONE FOR FRANCISCO, AND ONE FOR VIC.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Well, I had a long talk with Mark last night, and what I suspected
was the case was indeed the case, and then some: Mark had two bad things
happen at nearly the same time -- so that he is 'out of business' as a
computer consultant. Specifically, he had his computer crash because of
a virus, and almost concurrently had non-productive relations with two
clients so that he is close to bankrupt. He has had to sell some of
his equipment to pay the bills. Right now, he's struggling to pay the
rent! And no, I'm not being a bigmouth saying this stuff. I asked Mark
what I should and should not mention here, and he okayed (most of) it.
Via a friend's account and computer, Mark has been able to have net
access at last, but he's using every minute he has online trying to
recoup his losses and make some spare cash, so that's why he hasn't said
anything to you guys, yet. (Hey, I left a message on Mark's phone, but
if I hadn't called him again after he'd not called me back--which I do
not blame him for since that would be yet one more (phone-)bill he would
have trouble paying--I wouldn't have wound up talking to him at all.)
Anyways . . . Mark says that he should be able to contact you all
'within three days' (as of last night).
By the way, Mark's birthday was last Saturday the 27th: that makes
him 51. What a happy birthday--not. :-/
IMPORTANT MESSAGES:
First, Mark said to 'tell Vic I don't hate him.' ;) By this, he
means that all the delays are due to his financial woes--that he isn't/
wasn't strategically avoiding Vic or somesuch.
Second, Mark said to tell Francisco that he'll get his disk; that
he hasn't forgotten about Disk Two; and that he thinks he might know
why his CD-Rs aren't working right. He suggests turning off 'autoplay'
in Windows 95 so that it is set to 'AUTOPLAY=0'. I hope that helps.
So, you can all relax re Mark having bad intentions, but Mark is
under a strain right now, and won't be able to be as prolific a
contributor to this list (and GoldTri) as he was for a little while.
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: About My TD's GREATEST HITS Letter
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>Subject: Re: My TD's GREATEST HITS Letter to Hypnotic
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:37:14 -0500
>Really-From: feldon@p...
>
>>Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>>
>>I quite like your selection of 'hits', but a few obvious picks are
>>omitted, most notably 'Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe', the only real 'hit'
>>the band has had anywhere. [. . .]
Er, what about 'Love on a Real Train'? As far as I know, the best-
selling TD album in the US was LEGEND--followed by RISKY BUSINESS (but
then, who the heck has a domestic copy!), and the best-selling in the UK
was FLASHPOINT (though God knows why).
Besides, the 1983 version of 'Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe' is too
close to 'White Eagle' and not quite as good.
>[. . .] I would also suggest Chris Franke's 'Chimes and Chains' [. . .]
It's not TD, though. Hey, I'd love to add Edgar's 'A Dali-esque
Sleep Fuse,' the 'OS 452' remix from SOLO 1974-1979, or 'Dome of Blue
Turtles' from BEYOND THE STORM, but this is a *TD* hits package, not a
class reunion! ;)
>[. . .] Logos 'Blue Part' [. . .]
I made a point of avoiding the long TD tracks because they ate up
CD time, and I've always found the practice of excerpting to be evil,
including the many excerpts on TANGENTS. (I confess to separating
the NEAR DARK track, 'Bus Station,' from 'Mae Comes Back,' though.)
>[. . .] the Theme from Streethawk, 'Tiergarten' [. . .]
The version of 'Streethawk' on LE PARC is a might bit too cutesy
for me. The version on the 12' is better, but still not a classic. I
think 'Gaudi Park' is a much better, stronger, more psychedelic track.
>>'Cottage' (or something from Legend) [. . .]
Eeep! I confess: I f***ed up there, big-time. It was a complete
accident. 'Cottage' should DEFINITELY have been on the list. Sorry!
(I mean it, too. 'Cottage' really is great. For the most part, I
hold LEGEND in very low esteem, but 'Cottage' is the one major
exception to the rule.)
>>[. . .] 'Horns of Doom', 'A Time For Heroes, (it's cheesy, but so is
>>'Love of Mine'), 'Fort Worth Runway One', and 'Quasar'
Sigh, except for the Ones and 'Ultima Thule' singles, I really had
no intentions of appealing to collectors per se on this venture: only
to give the buyer a genuinely satisfying and representative package.
'Quasar' is very good, but not great. 'Fort Worth Runway One' is
a turkey: *really* bad. Consider it TD's UNIVERSAL SOLDIER, RAVEN, and
THE CELESTINE PROPHESY all rolled into one. ;) :) (It's *still* not
as bad as the title track to OPTICAL RACE, though.)
>I don't know about all those tracks, but i think Choronzon, Logos Blue
>88-98, and Tiergarten would fit quite nicely. [. . .]
'Choronzon' is really good, but not in the same league as 'Kiew`
Mission, ' IMHO. As for 'Logos Blue 88-98,' it's that damned excerpt
stuff again. :( 'Tiergarten' is a valid point, but I went out of my
way to limit one track per album. (I let the 'Rockoon' edit and 'Story
of the Brave' sneak in because they were for the most part non-LP cuts.)
In the vein of 'Tiergarten,' I was forced to eliminate from the list
'Mae's Transformation' (which is the most beautiful quasi-classical
thing TD has ever done, IMHO) and the achingly beautiful 'News and
Morality' (from THE MAN INSIDE soundtrack).
>[. . .] I'm not sure about a vocal track, even if it is rare. [. . .]
Are you referring to 'Rising Runner Missed by Endless Sender'? It
is not rare, it's just that for certain mind-sets, this is a great cut.
It's actually one of my fave TD tracks, believe it or not. I can see
why lots of people would hate it, though. Just the same, I think it
merits inclusion as perhaps the best track with lyrics that TD has yet
produced (although the vocal version of 'Dreamtime' isn't bad at all.)
>Frankly, bits from live recordings would be more historically
>interesting than stuff by The Ones. [. . .]
Yeah, but this is a hits compendium we're talking about, here, not
a Lets Make All the Hardcore TD Completists Happy project.
>Subject: Re: TD's Greatest Hits
>Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:25:30 +0000 (GMT)
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Grant Middleton
>
>include :-
>
>Streethawk.
Too cutesy for my tastes.
>Warsaw in the Sun (12' single version).
I don't like this even remotely as much as I do 'Rare Bird.'
>No Man's Land.
Hmmm... I'm almost tempted to agree with you on this one, but
it's 'too Eastern,' if you know what I mean, to appeal to the random
listener, but maybe I'm underestimating its ethnic or world-music
appeal? ;)
>Monolight first half (original from Encore).
>Logos Blue (I think that's the colour anyhow :-)
Feh: excerpts. Still, I gave the 'Monolight' single serious
consideration.
>Change :-
>
>Beach Theme to the longer Beach Scene.
It doesn't have quite the same punch. I could be wrong, here,
though.
>Rare Bird to Choronzon (well, it IS a variation on a theme, no ?)
Huh?!? You lost me, there.
>Ditch :-
>
>Catwalk.
You can't be serious. This is one of the best TD tracks in the
last 10 years, IMHO. Besides, I have a 15-min version, and will soon
have both 4 1/2 min versions, so you could say I've invested a lot in
this track. ;)
>The older 'rarities'.
The Ones and the 'Ultima Thule' tracks are there for three reasons:
1) because they are cost-prohibitive to obtain otherwise
2) few people have heard or even *heard of* them
3) if they don't appear *here*, they might never appear *anywhere*, at
the rate Ed has been dragging ass with his oft-mentioned TD RARITIES
project (or is that now a dead-in-the-water proposition?). And no,
bootlegs don't count.
Well, I guess that's that. See ya.
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At 10:02 PM 9/29/97 +0100, Francisco wrote:
> I'm glad to inform that the CDR branches are finally running.
Although I
>cannot communicate with Mark I know he has the complete set copy
and I heard
>it's been running at the moment. The European branch has the
complete copy
>too. So I hope this to be fully distributed by the end of october.
>
>Sorry Folks for the huge delay, but I didn't have a CDR burner at the
>beginning of this adventure so I ask Jose Luis Tur to do it. I
took too much
>time and finally ( after a 2 month delay) I didn't get any
answer from him
[....]
>And that's all... Uhh ! what a story, isn't it ?
>
>---Francisco
Indeed what a story. This is TRULY a labor of love, Francisco,
and I am impressed. I can hardly wait to hear from the American
branch. I am sure the wait will be well worth it.
Thanks, Francisco, for your dedication. You are a genuine fan and
a friend of fans. Maybe somehow we can return the favor.
Andrew
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Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that news about Mark. It was he that let me know
the existence of this mailing list and gave me a new opportunity to give a
whole new look at TD. I, as well as any other guy on thil ML, do hope to see
him back here with smile on his face...
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> Really-From: Steven Feldman
> Well, I had a long talk with Mark last night, and what I suspected
> was the case was indeed the case, and then some: Mark had two bad things
> happen at nearly the same time
I'm really sad about Mark's situation. I hope To hear good news from him
soon.
Please, tell Mark NOT TO WORRY about non-important matters, and
specially about that second disc: I already did it, as I said, my CD
burner now is O.K. ( it was a failure of the unit, not a problem of
configuration of my system). ( Thanks, Mark for the tip anyway. Even
having this bunch of problems you are able to think about a my tiny
one).
Regarding the S.Bush tree, I can understand If Mark doesn't have time
for this due to his present situation, so If he would like us to take
care of his branches, it would be no problem.
> Mark says that he should be able to contact you all
> 'within three days' (as of last night).
That's a small good news inside all this situation.
---Francisco
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Subject: Re: TD's Greatest Hits
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>>Streethawk.
>
> Too cutesy for my tastes.
I still think it's a 'Hit' that should be included. Is
your intention to educate the Great Unwashed by gently
pulling them in through the type of music they might
already listen to (Vangelis, Jarre, etc) ? If so, then
Streethawk is a must, IMO.
>>Warsaw in the Sun (12' single version).
>
> I don't like this even remotely as much as I do 'Rare Bird.'
Why not have both ? The insistence on one track per album
is a bad idea, I'd say. The distribution of hits/album is
unequal, so why not make the contributions of each album
to the Greatest Hits collection unequal, also ?
>>No Man's Land.
>
> Hmmm... I'm almost tempted to agree with you on this one, but
> it's 'too Eastern,' if you know what I mean, to appeal to the random
> listener, but maybe I'm underestimating its ethnic or world-music
> appeal? ;)
I'm sure Ash would let you know how 'Eastern' it really is.
He'd probably agree with me that it's an Eastern-sounding
pastiche which gives the impression of exotic locations. So
much trance and world-music has a base in Eastern musical
ideas, I think it'd work; The general perception of
electronic and abstract music has changed quite a bit over
the past few years - it's not just the domain of hippies
and geeks.
>>Monolight first half (original from Encore).
>>Logos Blue (I think that's the colour anyhow :-)
>
>Feh: excerpts. Still, I gave the 'Monolight' single serious
>consideration.
Monolight got me (and later, my brother) into TD in the
first place. After listening to that excerpt about 10
times, I let it develop into the 'crap bit'. After
many years, the power of the first sequence was blunted,
but I still love the second part with a passion. There's
a definite place for excerpts for introducing people
to TD through the more 'immediate' appeal of these
parts. If they then track down the original and follow-
through to the more demanding parts, then you've
just won another convert !
>>Change :-
>>
>>Beach Theme to the longer Beach Scene.
>
> It doesn't have quite the same punch. I could be wrong, here,
> though.
Certainly, the drums are better in 'Theme'. I still love
the intro and build-up on 'Scene', though.
>>Rare Bird to Choronzon (well, it IS a variation on a theme, no ?)
>
> Huh?!? You lost me, there.
Bugger, no wonder. I meant that 'Polish Dance' was a variation on
Choronzon !
Still, I really don't like 'Rare Bird'.
>>Ditch :-
>>
>>Catwalk.
>
> You can't be serious. This is one of the best TD tracks in the
>last 10 years, IMHO. Besides, I have a 15-min version, and will soon
>have both 4 1/2 min versions, so you could say I've invested a lot in
>this track. ;)
Oh but I CAN be serious. Catwalk is directionless tosh, IMO.
I've listened to it a LOT of times to try to find out its
appeal. None of my musician friends (who enjoy a lot of TD)
find anything in it, either.
> The Ones and the 'Ultima Thule' tracks are there for three reasons:
>
> 1) because they are cost-prohibitive to obtain otherwise
> 2) few people have heard or even *heard of* them
> 3) if they don't appear *here*, they might never appear *anywhere*, at
> the rate Ed has been dragging ass with his oft-mentioned TD RARITIES
> project (or is that now a dead-in-the-water proposition?). And no,
> bootlegs don't count.
They still shouldn't be on a TD Greatest Hits album. That's
for a 'TD Anthology' a la Beatles. I feel they would only
put people off.
Still, I feel that the whole project is a great idea, and
I'm rootin' for ya, whatever you decide to put on it. Keep
us posted on the progress.
Grunt
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Subject: Happy Birthday TD
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Well, I am one day late.
But as September 29th 1967 seems to be regarded
as the official day that Tangerine Dream was founded,
and since no one else mentioned it:
!!! HAPPY 30th BIRTHDAY TD !!!
Hilmar
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> Really-From: Vic Rek
>
> I've discovered that Johannes Schmoelling's 'White Out' CD was released with
> 2 different tray inserts. One insert has the title and catalog number
> printed on the spine, while the other is completely blank (as in white). Is
> one of these a promo insert, or were they just released with the two
> different tray inserts?
>
> Vic
>
> By the way, this is a great CD (some 'Logos' ideas are on this release)!
I have the version with the completely blank spine. I didn't realize there was
another version. Personally, I thought the blank spine was a clever way of
demonstrating the effects of a white-out, where land and sky merge into a
featureless white existence.
Although I enjoy all of Johannes Schmoelling's albums, White Out holds special
interest with me because of its ability to create such an aural landscape.
I am awed by his ability to take non-music sounds and combine them in a way
that is musically interesting.
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>Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn)
>
>> I've discovered that Johannes Schmoelling's 'White Out' CD was released with
>> 2 different tray inserts[...]
>I have the version with the completely blank spine. I didn't realize there was
>another version. Personally, I thought the blank spine was a clever way of
>demonstrating the effects of a white-out, where land and sky merge into a
>featureless white existence.
I have the blank spine too, well, I got it second hand and somebody wrote in
the title and catalog number in a fine black marker. At first I thought it
was printed like that. Along with the blank (white out) spine, maybe
Johannes was also allowing you to personalize your copy by writing in 'your'
title? Just a thought...
>
>Although I enjoy all of Johannes Schmoelling's albums, White Out holds special
>interest with me because of its ability to create such an aural landscape.
>I am awed by his ability to take non-music sounds and combine them in a way
>that is musically interesting.
Yes, this CD is very interesting and it along with 'Zoo of Tranquillity' are
my favorites by him. His new releases are more melodic (and good too), but
these are very unique and interesting as you mentioned. I listen to them often.
Vic
BTW, so far people have told me that they have the 'blank' spine. Anybody
with the printed spine? :-)
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Subject: Music with only 12 notes
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Phil,
There is an interesting lecture on this topic coming up at FERMILAB...
Perhaps you should check it out...
MJ
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Subject: Tower PULSE / TD Compilations
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The October issue of PULSE has an extended write-up about licensing
multilabel and older reissues....
MJ
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Subject: TD in German TV
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Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner)
Hi,
sorry if this might be late for some of you, but I only just saw
it. Michelangelo Antonioni's 'Identifikation einer Frau' (Identificazione
di una donna / Identification of a woman) Italy/France 1982,
is on German ZDF TV tonight (tomorrow?) Tue, 30 Sept, 0:30-2:25h,
presumably in a german dubbed version.
Original Soundtrack Music by TD , ZDF runs no commercials at this time
of the night and can be viewed europe-wide from the Astra sattelites.
-klaus-
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>Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn)
>
>I have the version with the completely blank spine. I didn't realize there was
>another version. Personally, I thought the blank spine was a clever way of
>demonstrating the effects of a white-out, where land and sky merge into a
>featureless white existence.
I also have the 'whited-out' spine, rather than one with any information. I
must admit, however, that the 'clever' idea had never occurred to me. Now that
you mention it, Erik, it seems as though it may well have been deliberate.
>Although I enjoy all of Johannes Schmoelling's albums, White Out holds special
>interest with me because of its ability to create such an aural landscape.
>I am awed by his ability to take non-music sounds and combine them in a way
>that is musically interesting.
Without trying to jump too far ahead in the D: series, I have to say that
Schmoelling's work is something of an enigma with me. There is always one track
(in the three CDs of his that I have) that really stands out - huge 5AS pieces
that I really love. But in general, I find the other pieces normally only rate
as average.
Perhaps by the time his works come up for discussion, I'll have a better idea
of why I feel this way.
>
>-Erik
NP - Partolling Space Borders - pretty good, even if only because I now know
that CHOM-FM is pronounced 'shom' and no 'chom' (as in chair).
Wishing that I'd remembered Aqua for the D: review. Maybe tomorrow.
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On Sep 30, 3:36pm, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: Re: White Out 'detail'
(...)
> Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182
>
>
(...)
>
> NP - Partolling Space Borders - pretty good, even if only because I now know
> that CHOM-FM is pronounced 'shom' and no 'chom' (as in chair).
>
That is because they used the French pronounciation, since back when it was
established, CHOM was a bilingual station, which was forced to become
become fully English (through protestations from the other French stations
who could not stant the 'cool' status CHOM had). Since then, CHOM has lost
a bit of extra feathers, having recently (as in last month...) dropped their
local morning show (featuring classic rock) to put Howard 'I'm gonna gross
you out' Stein (syndicated from New York) instead -- something that improved
their rating somewhat (I hope only temporarily, as it may be due to curiosity
from liteners who used to tune in other stations).
Now, I have to listen to 99.9 FM, the 'Buzz' station broadcasting from Vermont
in the US: they feature alternate music, but the reception is not always
perfect due to the distance. But given the choice between the king of smut
(who plays NO MUSIC, except that time when he had (horror of horror) the
Spice Girls doing an accapalla song in his studio (after asking them all about
their private sex life, of course) and who gets calls from people with an
IQ in the low single digit range) and a bit of static over *good* music
(unfortunately, no TD...) I believe there is not much options...
Sorry about rambling on like that, but I feel cheated out of the only station
who ever had the spine to play TD live here in Montreal.
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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As for a preliminary contribution to the D:Aqua threads...
It seems to me that, whenever I do listen to the album, and to
'Panorphelia' in particular, the squelchy, bubbling engine sound that
underpins the piece seems to be saying things! Usually, what I hear
sounds like 'Bl-ack moth, th-the black moth'. I have also (in various
stages of semiconsciousness induced by the title cut) heard
Black shuck,
block stack,
lock stock (what, no barrel? ;))
among other less well-remembered things.
Anyone else have this rather odd experience with 'Panorphelia'?
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Hi dreamers
1. 'Aqua' is much more 'ambient' than 'e-music', well, why not? But I find
this boring at last.
2. 'panorphelia' is sequenced but is it better 'e-music'?
3. 'ngc891' is my favourite track IN THIS ALBUM but certainly not my
favourite EF track. In fact, I find the remix of 'ngc891' in 'Solo 74-79 more
interessant and listenable.
4. 'upland' is 'aqua part II' as someone already wrote (or something like
that).
Does anyone know the meaning of 'panorphelia'? and 'upland'?
'ngc891' is the name of a galaxy, isn't it?
What does photo on inside booklet represents?
Note: Virgin made a compilation of ambient music (6 CD , 2 per box)
featuring 'Panorphelia' in disk2 of set #1.
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>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>
>>Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn)
>>
>>> I've discovered that Johannes Schmoelling's 'White Out' CD was released
with
>>> 2 different tray inserts[...]
>
>>I have the version with the completely blank spine. I didn't realize there
was
>>another version. Personally, I thought the blank spine was a clever way of
>>demonstrating the effects of a white-out, where land and sky merge into a
>>featureless white existence.
>
>I have the blank spine too, well, I got it second hand and somebody wrote
in
>the title and catalog number in a fine black marker. At first I thought it
>was printed like that. Along with the blank (white out) spine, maybe
>Johannes was also allowing you to personalize your copy by writing in
'your'
>title? Just a thought...
>
>BTW, so far people have told me that they have the 'blank' spine. Anybody
>with the printed spine? :-)
>
Hhmm, I have the german pressing.
It's got a catalog-nr: 843-395-2 and the title.
The whole text is written in German, except for the thanks-text.
Is it the same?
Marcel
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>Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
>
>As for a preliminary contribution to the D:Aqua threads...
>
>It seems to me that, whenever I do listen to the album, and to
>'Panorphelia' in particular, the squelchy, bubbling engine sound that
>underpins the piece seems to be saying things! Usually, what I hear
>sounds like 'Bl-ack moth, th-the black moth'. I have also (in various
>stages of semiconsciousness induced by the title cut) heard
>Black shuck,
>block stack,
>lock stock (what, no barrel? ;))
> among other less well-remembered things.
>
>Anyone else have this rather odd experience with 'Panorphelia'?
Well, not with Aqua. But with Ricochet pt.2.
After the middle part (with the voices) comes a superb sequencer-part.
I know Chris (or maybe Peter?) is tuning? his sequencer, but it sounds
like some is saying something like Ah or Oh.
Just checked the timing, it's around 18:07 till 18:11.
The first time I heared the record I was looking around in my room to see
if anybody was in there. Strange.
Marcel
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Subject: i'm back / stuff found & offered
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
I'm back
anyone waiting to send me snail mail or e-mail, please do so at your
convenience. If you sent me snail mail/e-mail you'll be getting a reply
shortly.
I understand that my f**king compuserve mailbox filled up on the 28th so
if you sent me e-mail on the 28th or after, please resend it. Also, could
someone forward me a copy of the digest from the 28th and 29th and 30th?
While away, I found some time to do a little 'shopping' and here's what I
picked up to share (trades preferred but I will sell some of these)
70-80 box set (the vinyl set ;-) -- box mint, booklet mint, discs mint to
mint-
Tangents CD box set -- new, still sealed
Tangram (LP with **Picture sleeve**) Lp Ex, pic sleeve Ex+, cover VG
Poland 2LP picture disc set -- mint
Warsaw in the Sun 12' vinyl mint, cover Ex+
Encore 2LP promo copy (with DJ timing stickers and *separated* tracks)
cover mint-/vinyl mint
Tyger CD (Relativity release with Vigour) mint-
as usual, please contact me privately about this stuff
thanks
lars
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I, too, was sorry to hear of Marks bad times. Having been there, I hope we
all have a small space to wish him well. I hope to 'hear' his voice here
again soon. Selling your posessions to pay bills has to be the most
dis-heartening thing one can endure!
To the state of TD. I am slightly appalled to find that anyone who posts
here with any frequency is disregarding something another of us has to
offer. Your intuitive powers are beyond mine. I find a lot of the postings
beyond my interest (backward masking of 'is Franke dead' and 'Edgar is the
walrus') but I read it all thinking I might just glean something I didn't
know--often the case. Most of you I have communicated with have been quick
to respond and I appreciate that effort! I'm sure there is room where those
that inject TD into their artery every day can live with those who only are
occasional users but still hold a deep interest in the band. Us 'fringe'
folk delight in the others deep drilling of the music.
Now that I've dressed down everyone---who's up for a pint?
Cheers, and warm wishes for Mark,
Mike
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Hi Fred!
Catching up on the mail. How is the HTML going? I learned by saving a web
page I liked (without a lot of graphics) and looking at it via a text
program. You see all the code---just substitute your stuff for what they
link to---sites or graphics---background images you dload to your ISP, just
like your text---usually an .htm file. Check out www.htmlgoodies.com it's
an excellent primer! Anything I can help you with, feel free to write!
My page URL is: http://members.iquest.net/~mfox/
Cheers,
Mike
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>Hi, everybodreamers!
>
>There is plenty pictures featuring in the LP and not the CD:
>
>In the beginning (6 LP box set)
>atem (verso : lineup)
>zeit (inner sleeve in COLOR!)
>alpha centauri / atem (inner sleeve)
>risky business (verso)
>near dark (verso : 5 pics)
>legend (verso : 3 pics + brian ferry)
>wuivend riet (verso : johannes with hands in his pockets)
>3 o'clock high (verso : 12 pics)
>poland (5 pics on the thin sleeves)
>solo (edgar best of '74-'79)
>
>I've got an A4 scanner ... not very simple to scan 2x30 cm for the inner
>sleeves but no problem with the rest.
>
>Is anybody interested?
>
>I may construct my own web page but somebody may tell me the fastest way to
>do it (e-mail me and you'll be my teacher! all a program!)
>
>thanks for each answer (please e-mail offlist)
>
>regards to all.
>
>fred
>
>
>
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Pardon the interuption. I'm selling some of my cds and trying to target
the right listeners. The prices are in US dollars. The Boddy double cd is
$10 (always), all others are $7 each. If you buy two single cds, the
second one is $6. If you buy three or more single cds, the third and
thereafter is $5. For example, buying four cds will be $23 ($7 + $6 + $5
+ $5). Or, if you would like to bid on the whole set to resale yourself,
that's fine too. All are in very good condition. Prices include shipping.
E-mail me privately. Here they are:
Ian Boddy - Jade
Ian Boddy - Odyssey
Ian Boddy - Continuum (2 cds)
Boddy/Pickford - Symbiont
Roon Boots - Offshore Island
Brain - Access & Amplify
Brainwork - Rhythm Base
Brainwork - Live & Unreleased
Harold Grosskopf - The Synthesis Plus
Hemisphere - Beyond the Darkness
Mind Over Matter - Colours of Life
Node - Node
Optical Image - Treasure Point
Peru - Point of the Compass
Peru - Forlian
Peru - Moon
Andy Pickford - Dystopia
Johannes Schmoelling - Songs No Words
Joerg Strawe - Sequenzer Ohnr Grenzen
TK - First Excursion
TK - Vertigo
Paul Ward - The Fear of Make Believe
David Wright - Marjlynmba
Again, sorry for the interuption. What I don't sell here, I'll take to
the local used cds stores to sell. In case someone's been looking for
any of the above, well...there it is.
Thanks,
Larry Smith
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Some questions.
1) what label is the LEGEND CD on, and in what countries is it
available?
2) I recall two Private Music TD releases came out on vinyl in the USA
in a promo-only fashion, but can only remember one of them, which
was MIRACLE MILE. What was the other one. MELROSE?
3) Are these the names of the 5 fan-only BABYLON 5 CDs, and will these
only be available mail-order (i.e. not in stores)?
'A Late Delivery from Avalon'
'Z'ha'dum'
'Shadow Dancing'
'Severed Dreams'
'Walkabout.'
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Did DEAD SOLID PERFECT ever get released on CD in the USA? I seem
to recall that whereas DEADLY CARE and THE PARK IS MINE did, DEAD SOLID
PERFECT did not.
-- Steven Feldman
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> Quoted From: Steven Feldman
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> 1) what label is the LEGEND CD on, and in what countries is it
> available?
Ahh, a question I think I know the answer to! :-) The only release I know
of is on Varese Sarabande in the USA. I don't think it's on any other
labels/countries. (assuming you're talking about the TD version, not the
J Goldsmith version :-) )
Dave Brewer
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Yes, one more post for today... (but they don't come in order from the server)
I came across this 1974 release in the late '70's as a young teenager. For
some reason the music and corresponding artwork have always kept my
imagination busy with this release (as with Epsilon..).
Edgar's music isn't the greatest here, but I still consider it very
important. This type of sound and electronics are rarely repeated. I love
listening to this album and thinking (or remembering) of exotic places. I
like all the tracks on Aqua - no favorites here.
Is there some backwards stuff at the end of 'Upland'?
3AS.
Vic
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I've read all of the information about Mark Filipak and I understand the
situation. Sometimes my posts may seem a bit insensitive, but that is not
really the case. And since I know Mark well through e-mail at least, I think
he'd appreciate some help here. So until Mark is back on-line, I think we
should come up with an alternative plan (Francisco?) and distribution
network. I think Mark had planned some artwork for this, so maybe we can
wait on this. But the CD-Rs?..
What I propose is that we re-structure the tree (I mean (we) our friend
Francisco) and then donate to Mark the 3 CD set? That seems fair for all
the effort he has put into it. I can donate either the media or my time. I
look for a volunteer to help complete the task.
Vic
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>Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>>BTW, so far people have told me that they have the 'blank' spine. Anybody
>>with the printed spine? :-)
>>
>Hhmm, I have the german pressing.
>It's got a catalog-nr: 843-395-2 and the title.
>The whole text is written in German, except for the thanks-text.
>
>Is it the same?
Yes, there was only one pressing - from Germany.
Good to hear from you Marcel - how are your upcoming projects doing? :-)
Vic
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Subject: Mellotron Archive in financial trouble...
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Really-From: Craig Shipley
Sorry for the spamming post, but this is important!
I was perusing the latest copy of KEYBOARD magazine at the local supermarket
this evening, when my eyes beheld a BEAUTIFUL sight! Vintage keyboards of every
shape and size, Moogs, ARP's, Buchla's, Mellotrons (even a clear one!),
Chamberlains, keyboard-controlled Theremins, you name it, it was there! An
analog synth freak's (that's me!!!) wet dream! But then the title of the
article hit me, the Mellotron Archive is in financial difficulty. It seems that
the two gents that put together this fine collection cannot afford to pay the
monthly rent on the space needed for all of these fine old pieces and is
looking for a sponsor to help keep the collection together (they don't want to
sell the collection board by board, but do make a few bucks here and there
renting out the keys). Me, well, maybe I can afford to buy a T-shirt or
something from them to help 'em out, but it is tough enough making the monthly
note on the house. Maybe some of you out there might be able to help in some
way (Sure would be nice if one of the modern synth manufacturers could sponsor
this endeavor, any of you guys work for one/know a rep?). You can find out more
from their Web site which is:
www.mellotron.com
I haven't checked out this site yet, but as soon as I finish with this letter...
Note, I am doing this because I think what they have put together should stay
together and not for any other reason. Hell, if I hit the Lottery this weekend,
I'll send 'em a few grand, but thats' the only way I can help these guys. Pass
this info around if you think you know of a newsgroup or mailing list that
might be of help or interest. Thanks for letting me bend your eyes.
Craig
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> Quoted From: Vic Rek
>
> Is there some backwards stuff at the end of 'Upland'?
> 3AS.
>
Yeah...
Some time back, I recorded the end of Upland onto tape and played it
backwords. I seem to remember it was a piano, maybe processed. Or
something that sounded like a piano. Maybe I should retape it and
listen again... Maybe I should post a review of this album since I
haven't been contributing to the discussions lately! :-)
Dave Brewer
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Vic writes:
>What I propose is that we re-structure the tree (I mean (we) our friend
>Francisco) and then donate to Mark the 3 CD set? That seems fair for all
>the effort he has put into it. I can donate either the media or my time.
I
>look for a volunteer to help complete the task.
Sigh, I think Vic is right about this. I'd definitely be willing to do
something (help) to get this moving along. I feel bad for Mark but, to be
honest, I don't really know what is happening so I can't comment on it. If
he is in a bad way, I think we need to offer our support but, at the same
time, not let this thing fizzle out or drag on for another 6 months...
lars
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On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 22:54:07 -0400 (EDT), you wrote:
>>Hhmm, I have the german pressing.
>>It's got a catalog-nr: 843-395-2 and the title.
>>The whole text is written in German, except for the thanks-text.
>>
>>Is it the same?
>
>Yes, there was only one pressing - from Germany.
>
Uh, I also got the German pressing from, ummmm, Scotland...
Does anyone have a translation of the German text contained in the
liner, or was the non-German version also created with liner notes in
German? The only thing that I translated was that JS willingly
participated in the bootleg Antarkis (controversy...OK the liner notes
only mention Antarkis with a bunch of German stuff around it).
Regards.
Oh yes, did any bootleggers notice that track 4 (Ice Walk) has
appeared previously (at least the latter part...see 3 Tier Dream,
Digital Days, Part 2, and Ratikon somewhere towards the end of part
1).
--
Mike Livsey
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Subject: MPEG3 Sound Files - House of the Rising Sun
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Antonio Nunes has been kind enough to provide me with an MPEG3 file of
House of the Rising Sun as performed by Tangerine Dream in 1980. This is
previously unreleased material. This along with my other MPEG3 file from
Logotypes (And other files very soon) can be found at:
http://www.phoenix.net/~feldon/orange.html
Morgan
P.S. I need more unreleased stuff as MPEG3 files!!! Please e-mail me if
you've got cool stuff.
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> Really-From: Steven Feldman
> Some questions.
> 3) Are these the names of the 5 fan-only BABYLON 5 CDs, and will these
> only be available mail-order (i.e. not in stores)?
> 'A Late Delivery from Avalon', 'Z'ha'dum', 'Shadow Dancing',
> 'Severed Dreams', 'Walkabout.'
Yes, these are the first 5 titles in the series (supposedly there will be
more in the future). They are not fan-only, as such, unless you mean
that only a fan would purchase them. To some extent I would say that is
true.
I'm not sure about seeing those in stores, there might not be enough demand,
but who knows. They are at least available thru the fan club and Sonic Images
. Direct URL for the episodic soundtracks is
. It would seem that going directly for
the original source would yield better prices. That might have changed since
the release date, though.
-jhsa
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Subject: TD on german TV -again
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Identification of a woman will be repeated tonight (tomorrow) at 01:15 h
on German ZDF.
-klaus-
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dreamers (and jens)
check out TD's Official web site for the Official story on jim and pablo
der meteor.
lars
(anxiously awaiting his copy)
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At 02:02 AM 10/1/97 -0500, in TDML wrote FredYargui@a...:
>What does photo on inside booklet represents?
At one time I imagined this to be a photo of the artificial head system
used to record parts of the album. But close inspection of the LP version
reveals one side is the same as the other side so one is a reverse image.
Does anyone have detials on the artificial head system?
Bill
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Aqua September 30, 1997
Edgar Froese
'Aqua'
Published 1974
Purchased 1975
Virgin Records LP
VR 13-111 0698
'Special sounds with the artificial head system by Gunther
Brunschen'
I was relatively new to this game in 1975, and I had no idea what
they were talking about here. I said to myself as the awe built up in my
tiny mind, 'What is an artificial head system?'
'Is this a tape deck with an artificial head? If so what is
artificial about it? Why don't they use a real one?'
I had absolutely no idea that they were talking about an artificial
human head with microphones built into the ears, and if I had, I probably
still wouldn't have had a clue. So I put on the headphones and listened
intently through all of side two to try and determine what was so different
about the recording that someone could not appreciate the music without these
stupid things clamped to his head. Like I said; 'not a clue.' The term
'binaural' did not exist then. It was later that year that I read something
about this type of recording, but it was literally years before I made the
connection. At the point of revelation, I put on the headphones again and
listened to side two again - - - - - - - - - - - nothing! Maybe I'll never
know what all the fuss is about.
But enough of this!!
On with the music. . .
Although this recording ranks up there with the best of mindless
electronic noodling, I kind of like this stuff for what it _is_. It might be
because the sounds bring back a wealth of memories of the beginning of
performance based electronic music. The mode of the time was creating
electronic music by pasting it together in a lab by using multi-track tape
recorders and single voiced synthesizers in the style of Waltey/Wender Carlos
of that period. It was impossible to do it spontaneously and live until that
very moment.
It was colossal. This guy was GOD!
Seems primitive now. But then . . . ? Whew! Enough to take your
breath away. Now - - - it's nostalgia.
---------------------------------
'NGC891' I assume this is another of Froese's airport compositions.
Makes me think of Klaus schulze, for some reason.
'Upland' Take a listen to this on 'Aqua' and then the track by the
same name off of 'Beyond The Storm'. I almost failed to link the two.
Different sons of the same mother?
Although the BtS version has a more interesting opening and has
definitely better audio quality, I think I prefer the original for musical
content. The revised version ('Tangentized') lacks the personal feel of the
older one. 'Upland 2.0' seems to be too much like disco for my liking. - -
And I _really_ miss those 'edited out' piano chords at the end. Those spoke
volumes - - to me at least.
'Aqua' I always have to make a bathroom run during this track.
Other than that I really like those haunting electronic effects. This seems
less like music and more like electric ambiance. It does seem to coalesce
into a form similar to some of those found in 'Zeit' by the end, and this is
a good thing.
'Panorphelia' is by far my favorite track off this LP. This one
takes me back to my introduction to TD when I heard 'Phaedra' on the radio
late one night. Seems like a century ago, now.
I am drawn to the conclusion that 'Panorphelia' was recorded prior
to 'Phaedra' as it appears a bit primitive, even by those primitive
standards.
Yes I know - - I reviewed side two first and then side one, but I
wanted to end on a high note. Besides I always 'play' side two first unless
it's Beethoven.
See ya' next time.
Phil Naunton
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Really-From: Grant Middleton
> Really-From: Hilmar Kraft
>
> Well, I am one day late.
>
> But as September 29th 1967 seems to be regarded
> as the official day that Tangerine Dream was founded,
By whom ? Where have you seen this info. ?
> and since no one else mentioned it:
>
> !!! HAPPY 30th BIRTHDAY TD !!!
Cooooolllll. I was born on the 22nd September 1967,
exactly one week before. I can claim seniority over
TD ! :-)
Grunt
PS, Please don't congratulate /me/ on reaching the big
3-0.
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Subject: The Skinny on Jim & Pablo
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Hello folks,
From the TD homepage, updated today. So, I suppose us TD completists will
have to buy all 11 Jim & Pablo CD episodes in English _and_ in German, plus
the CD-ROMs? Aaaaarrrggh! :-)
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JIM & PABLO
A Science Fiction Audio (German language) Production for Children.
Jim & Pablo are two child characters, who travel to various
locations around our planet Earth - in later episodes they travel
to different planets - where they experience a variety of adventures.
The stories aim to arouse interest in phenomena found in nature,
technology and human life. It is suitable for school-age children
between 6 to 10 years old. This is the first of 11 episodes which
will be released initially on CD and later on CD-ROM with animation.
The narrators include actors such as Erwin Leder (Das Boot, Schindler's
List etc.), Torsten Sense (who synchronizes various American actors
voices) as well as reknowned actors from Vienna and Berlin.
Tangerine Dream is responsible for the music and production of the
series. The idea of creating such a series for the German-speaking
world stems from a successful production in the USA for the New York
company Rabbit Ears, called Rumpelstilskin, with Kathleen Turner as
the narrator and music by Tangerine Dream, which was part of a
children's series combining various names from show business with
well-known composers. The narration is in the German language. The
English version is planned for release next year.
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Would the list administrator, Keith, I believe, be kind enough to remove
the address
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I have tried, as per the instructions, to remove that address twice, and
have gotten no response.
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Now Playing:
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me that it is possible -- show me your achievement -- and the
knowledge will give me the courage for mine.'
- Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead
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Subject: Re: House of the siing sun link broken ?
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At 06:43 AM 9/2/97 +0200, wrote:
>
>Hi, Morgan,
>
>just checked your webpage for the new mpeg3 file provided by Anonio
>Nunes
>and got that damn message 'linux.realideas.com - The server dunno have a
>DNS entry'
>
>Did you mispelled the link ??
It works fine for me. I've tested it in Netscape.
Morgan
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>dreamers (and jens)
>check out TD's Official web site for the Official story on jim and pablo
>der meteor.
lars
(anxiously awaiting his copy)
----------
GOT the hint and YES I was wrong. All 22 CDs will be official releases.
Hope you´ll enjoy your copy ;-)
Jens
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Thanks Morgan for hosting my MP3 file. Fans having the 'Collected
Endings' boot should know already this track.
> Antonio Nunes has been kind enough to provide me with an MPEG3 file of
> House of the Rising Sun as performed by Tangerine Dream in 1980.
Just a minor correction: according to the info printed on the boot back
cover, this is a 1988 performance, most probably from the Optical Race
North American Tour.
Antonio Nunes
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> Really-From: FredYargui@a...
>
> Hi dreamers
>
> 1. 'Aqua' is much more 'ambient' than 'e-music', well, why not? But I find
> this boring at last.
I couldn't agree more. Aqua is my least favorite Edgar Froese solo album. It
seems to me to be more of an experiment than an album of music.
> 2. 'panorphelia' is sequenced but is it better 'e-music'?
>
> 3. 'ngc891' is my favourite track IN THIS ALBUM but certainly not my
> favourite EF track. In fact, I find the remix of 'ngc891' in 'Solo 74-79 more
> interessant and listenable.
Yes, I like the remix better, too. In fact, I prefer all of the remixes on
Solo '74-'79 to the originals.
> 4. 'upland' is 'aqua part II' as someone already wrote (or something like
> that).
'Upland' is my favorite track on Aqua. I'm not entirely sure why but I guess
I just like the ambient tone of it. I was _very_ disappointed in the
'tangentized' version that appears on Beyond the Storm. I think Edgar ruined
it with that silly rhythm sequence that takes over in the second half of the
track.
> Does anyone know the meaning of 'panorphelia'? and 'upland'?
> 'ngc891' is the name of a galaxy, isn't it?
Yes, ngc891 is the designation of a galaxy.
Upland usually refers to land that is higher in elevation than the lowlands but
not mountainous. A plateau, for example. It also may imply that the land is some
distance from the sea.
No clue about panorphelia. An all-encompassing love of Orpheus? Maybe not. :)
-Erik
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Subject: sub F***, but Collecting TD is Hell
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>Subject: Re: jim and pablo on the 'official' web page
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:29:14 +0200
>Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>>check out TD's Official web site for the Official story on jim and
>>pablo der meteor.
>[. . .] All 22 CDs will be official releases.
Time for the F word: Oh, fucking hell!!! :( :( :( I've
already spent over $600 on TD this year alone! And now Ed has to go
and put out an 11-CD series (that's counting only the English ones)
that one has to listen to a story and *maybe* get to hear the music
clearly if one really concentrates?!?!? :( :( :( There is a hell.
If the official TD page was correct in saying that this JIM AND
PABLO affair was inspired by the RUMPELSTILTSKIN CD . . . why in hell
didn't they put an instrumental version of the music (sans vox) on the
CD like they did with RUMPELSTILTSKIN????????? F-word time again? ;)
-- Steven Feldman
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On Oct 1, 3:23pm, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: sub F***, but Collecting TD is Hell
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
>
>
> Time for the F word: Oh, fucking hell!!! :( :( :( I've
> already spent over $600 on TD this year alone! And now Ed has to go
> and put out an 11-CD series (that's counting only the English ones)
> that one has to listen to a story and *maybe* get to hear the music
> clearly if one really concentrates?!?!? :( :( :( There is a hell.
> If the official TD page was correct in saying that this JIM AND
> PABLO affair was inspired by the RUMPELSTILTSKIN CD . . . why in hell
> didn't they put an instrumental version of the music (sans vox) on the
> CD like they did with RUMPELSTILTSKIN????????? F-word time again? ;)
>
> -- Steven Feldman
>-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list
C'mon Steven, look at the good side: you'll have 11 new CD's to look forward
to. This is an opportunity that fans of the Beatles (for instance) DON'T
have. If you think that the new music is worth the $$$, well, get it!
If you don't want to spend the cash, it's your problem.
As for me, I only hope someone will provide us with tips on how to get those
(as I can't go on the web, only email is authorized here).
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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Subject: I'll be out of touch for a bit
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Really-From: 'Kimberly M. Zemo'
Hey everyone,
I'll be out of touch for a little while starting tomorrow, I'm
getting married this sat. and will be honeymooning the following week :)
Of course, I've arranged with the DJ to play some TD at the reception
during the cocktail hour & dinner...can't let all those people get away
without exposing them to some TD. Who knows, maybe I'll make a few more
converts :)
Once we get back, we'll be moving into our new apartment so I'll
probably be off-list for the better part of the next 2 weeks. Should
anyone need to get hold of me or if there's any major news on the TD
front, please feel free to send private e-mail. I can check from Jon's
computer once I take mine down. Talk to you all in a couple weeks!
Kim darkstar@m...
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Hi everybody!
The file I dowloaded is 'not a valid zip archive'.
What's the matter?
filename: hotrstd.zip
fred
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Subject: Re: MPEG3 House of the Rising Sun 1988, not 1980
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>
>
>Thanks Morgan for hosting my MP3 file. Fans having the 'Collected
>Endings' boot should know already this track.
>
>
>> Antonio Nunes has been kind enough to provide me with an MPEG3 file of
>> House of the Rising Sun as performed by Tangerine Dream in 1980.
Hehe, I meant to type 1990... But that would have been wrong too. (It sure
sounds Lily on the Beach-ish...)
>Just a minor correction: according to the info printed on the boot back
>cover, this is a 1988 performance, most probably from the Optical Race
>North American Tour.
Thanks Antonio,
Morgan
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Subject: Re: CDs for Sale
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Hi Larry-
>Johannes Schmoelling - Songs No Words
Still available? Gimme gimme gimme! ; )
goozer
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At 06:18 PM 10/1/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: FredYargui@a...
>
>Hi everybody!
>
>The file I dowloaded is 'not a valid zip archive'.
>
>What's the matter?
I haven't had any problem. I tested downloading the file with Netscape just
by clicking on the file and it saved as a ZIP file. I extracted the ZIP
file (using WinZip 6.1, the ZIP link I provided should work for Mac too),
and opened it with my MP3 player (WinAmp/MacAmp) and it plays with no
problems.
Are you using AOL's browser or Netscape 3.0/4.0, or Internet Explorer 3.0/4.0?
You can attempt right-clicking on the link 'House of the Rising Sun' on the
page and force it to save as a raw file with no 'decoding' by just 'Save to
Disk...'. It's worth trying. Also make sure you got the whole file. It's
just over 1 megabyte.
Morgan
P.S. I got another 11 MB of webspace to fill with MPEG-3 Files!!! Also, I
would like to once again request that people record at 16-bit 44kHz. I know
you're recording off of tape most likely. Believe me, it's worth doing that
44kHz because of the way the MPEG encoder just throws out all kinds of
data. (MPEG3 is a 12:1 compression process, you know). Come on guys, the
average 5 minute long song takes about 2 MB, and it only takes like 10
minutes to record from tape and 25 minutes to encode it. I'm open to having
exceptionally long MPEG3 files (like 15-20 minutes) if we split up the ZIP
file into 2-3 segments.
All of you who've been clamoring (or just wondering) about that wonderful
encore played that fateful evening, January 31st, 1980 in Berlin after the
Wall went up, you'll get a chance to get the entire 14 minute encore. From
a tape thankfully provided by Dave Burek.
NOTE NOTE NOTE: I want some feedback quickly about whether to split this
track up into two pieces (there's an easy place to do this)... I hate
downloading a 7 megabyte file that dies halfway through... I know you guys
might have noisy modem connections.
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oops--that shouldn't have gone to the list! Sorry...
goozer
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>Really-From: feldon@p...
>
>
>Antonio Nunes has been kind enough to provide me with an MPEG3 file of
>House of the Rising Sun as performed by Tangerine Dream in 1980. This is
>previously unreleased material. This along with my other MPEG3 file from
>Logotypes (And other files very soon) can be found at:
>
>http://www.phoenix.net/~feldon/orange.html
>
>Morgan
>
>P.S. I need more unreleased stuff as MPEG3 files!!! Please e-mail me if
>you've got cool stuff.
>
>
Thank you very much Antonio & Steve. I'm enjoying it now!!!
jinsuk Kim
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Subject: Re: B5 Fan CDs and LEGEND CD
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Partial answers to your questions: Legend is on Varese Saraband label. I
do not know what other countries is was released to.
Miracle Mile, Melrose, and Optical Race are on the Private Music label.
Hope this helps you. Dell
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On 1 Oct 97 at 19:02, tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> oops--that shouldn't have gone to the list! Sorry...
>
maybe not Goozer, but check my list of TD boots on CDR to trade..
Groover
CDs to move http://homepages.tig.com.au/~groover
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>Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
>Hi Larry-
>>Johannes Schmoelling - Songs No Words
>Still available? Gimme gimme gimme! ; )
>goozer
OK Hermes - I'll say it again 'who is tadream'? :-)))
What do you think Klaus B.? Will he ever learn? ;-)
Vic
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
Hello,
Steven Feldman is told us Mark will contact us very soon ( 3 days, as of a
couple
of days)
so maybe tomorrow we can have a message from him.
Let's wait to hear what Mark has to tell us regarding this tree before deciding
what to do.
> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
> Vic writes:
> >What I propose is that we re-structure the tree (I mean (we) our friend
> >Francisco) and then donate to Mark the 3 CD set? That seems fair for all
> >the effort he has put into it. I can donate either the media or my time.
> I
> >look for a volunteer to help complete the task.
>
> Sigh, I think Vic is right about this. I'd definitely be willing to do
> something (help) to get this moving along. I feel bad for Mark but, to be
> honest, I don't really know what is happening so I can't comment on it. If
> he is in a bad way, I think we need to offer our support but, at the same
> time, not let this thing fizzle out or drag on for another 6 months...
>
> lars
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Hey, I went to Voiceprints TD page last week and Jim and Pablo was for sale.
Now it mysteriously dissapeared. Anyone have any ideas? Tom
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Where the heck did she come from? :)
In a message dated 97-10-01 18:22:45 EDT, you write:
<< Really-From: 'Kimberly M. Zemo'
Hey everyone,
I'll be out of touch for a little while starting tomorrow, I'm
getting married this sat. and will be honeymooning the following week :)
Of course, I've arranged with the DJ to play some TD at the reception
during the cocktail hour & dinner...can't let all those people get away
without exposing them to some TD. Who knows, maybe I'll make a few more
converts :) >>
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Does someone knows what a famous TD seller named Brendan Pollard is
doing actualyyy. He seems to be completly disapeard.
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>> But as September 29th 1967 seems to be regarded
>> as the official day that Tangerine Dream was founded,
>
>By whom ? Where have you seen this info. ?
Grunt, the last time I saw it mentioned was in the latest
'Dream Collector' edition, but I'm fairly sure it is also
on the Webpage (could be wrong, though). Dream
Collector put up a very nice photo of a very early
lineup (the first?) including a very young Edgar...
Hilmar
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>The file I dowloaded is 'not a valid zip archive'.
>
>What's the matter?
>
>filename: hotrstd.zip
Worked alright for me on a Macintosh.
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Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182
A quick review of this book which I picked up last week.
I've only read half of it so far, but I think that's sufficient to enable me to
make some points. For those who have not yet seen or bought this book, it may
be worth first discussing the layout :
Paul Stump's book covers the periods from 1965 to 1996, Goblin's Club being the
last album I've seen mentioned. He splits this 31 year period into 4 'Phases'
(hmmm, now where did he get that term?) : 1965 to 1973, 1974 to 1979, 1980 to
1990 and 1991 to 1996. Within each 'phase' there are two sections : one
concerned with the 'biography' of the band and its members, and the second
dealing more with the discography itself. There is, obviously, some overlap
between the section within each phase, and indeed between phases when
comparisons between records are made. The rear of the book, after the main
text, provides the 'discography' itself : a list of all TD albums, singles,
compilations and major items contributed to - presented in various levels of
detail. The albums are given with some indication of different types of format
(CD, LP, MC), and occassionally with country details, but Stump admits that he
did not intend to cover all variations of each item. Following on from the
group discography is a less detailed (though comprehensive at first sight)
discography for band members old and new - Froese, Franke, Schulze, Schnitzler,
etc.
The text itself starts by trying to put TD's music into context, and thus
spends a number of pages discussing lots of people and events I've never heard
of, right from 1895. Although I skipped most of this, there was no mention of
TD that I could see - rather, this appeared to be a potted history of
electronic music.
Stump admits straight-off that this is a critical discography, and so it does
come with heavy doses of his opinion. Froese's Ages is trashed, as is White
Eagle (I can give some very entertaining quotes from the passage regarding Ages
if anyone is interested - and Mr. Stump's copyright lawyers aren't looking),
and he is certainly a Baumann-era fan rather than Schmoelling or Haslinger.
Stump even frowns upon Force Majeure!
Whilst I am always tolerant of opinions in this list, I do, of course, have to
live with these comments. They are, after all, his opinions, and I did buy
'his' book, so must accept them if not agree with them.
However, there are a couple of items which are presented in different light
than we discuss here : 'Convention of the 42' was, according to Stump, title
track to Tatort. I always thought it was White Eagle. Comments?
Another gripe is that it appears that Stump has nothing new to bring to the
party - perhaps an odd titbit here and there which I wasn't aware of, but none
of the 'big' questions are answered. Why did Franke leave? Indeed, most of the
departures from the band are covered with little depth, implying to me, at
least, that Stump is merely retelling what is common knowledge and rumour
rather than getting the facts from the horses' mouths.
My final gripe is Stump's style of writing - something else which is more my
problem than his. I find it very difficult to absorb a book when I have to keep
reaching for the dictionary every second word. Perhaps this is why I have never
been able to express what I feel about TD's music - the words required are
obscure and perhaps don't even exist. Mr. Stump appears to have found quite a
few obscure ones, as well as making up some of his own.
If you've made it all the way through this, I suppose you'll have quite a
negative impression of the book. Whilst it does have the various 'faults' (some
of which are subjective on my part), it does appear to have a useful
discography and this is the only written information I have on my favourite
band, other than the inlays and books from various records and box sets. In
general, I suppose that I am disappointed that this only appears to be a
representation of facts or rumours already known on this list. If I had not
been on this list, I dare say much of this would have excited me (if I hadn't
been on this list I wouldn't have heard of the book).
Not having any of the other books I hear mention of (Voices in the Dunes,
Mysterious Semblance, etc.) I cannot compare, and would hesitate to recommend
this to hard core fans since they are likely to know most of what is in here.
However, if you cannot find any other book, this book does gather many facts
together in one source, and so is of use.
There are lots of others who have had this book for longer than me, but I've
seen few reviews of the work itself. Have you got other (or contradictory)
comments to make, guys?
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Subject: RE: I'll be out of touch for a bit
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>Where the heck did she come from? :)
><< Really-From: 'Kimberly M. Zemo'
Dunno, must be a Deadhead: ^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Hey everyone,
> I'll be out of touch for a little while starting
tomorrow, I'm
> getting married this sat. and will be honeymooning the
following week :)
Congratulations!
> Of course, I've arranged with the DJ to play some TD at the
reception
> during the cocktail hour & dinner...can't let all those people
get away
> without exposing them to some TD. Who knows, maybe I'll make
a few more
> converts :) >>
Just make sure you've collected the wedding presents _first_,
before the music comes on. :-)
Scott
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Subject: Re: TD in German TV
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> Really-From: Klaus_Beschorner@b... (Klaus Beschorner)
>
> Hi,
>
> sorry if this might be late for some of you, but I only just saw
> it. Michelangelo Antonioni's 'Identifikation einer Frau' (Identificazione
> di una donna / Identification of a woman) Italy/France 1982,
> is on German ZDF TV tonight (tomorrow?) Tue, 30 Sept, 0:30-2:25h,
> presumably in a german dubbed version.
>
Thanks Klaus, I recorded it.
> Original Soundtrack Music by TD , ZDF runs no commercials at this time
> of the night and can be viewed europe-wide from the Astra sattelites.
The titles at the begining said: Original Music by Michel Foxx
And indeed the core music in this film wasn't TD.
They had some TD tohugh. On the final credits said Aditional music
Ricochet and Tangram by Tangerine Dream.
They used some nice sequences in a sex scene and the final scene with
that red sun is nice, although brief.
Thanks a lot.
---
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> Really-From: Christian von Toerne
>
> >The file I dowloaded is 'not a valid zip archive'.
> >
> >What's the matter?
> >
> >filename: hotrstd.zip
>
> Worked alright for me on a Macintosh.
>
> Chris
Maybe, he didn't downloaded it completely because of a transmission
error or something like that.
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Howdy guys,
I assume that the tree is a way to pass along new 'rare' recordings? From what
I gather , poor Mark has an important part in all this? Please ex[lain to us
'newbies' if possible, I work on the computer at work fromm time to time so I'm
quite new to all this.
By the way I thimk it's great someones playing TD at their wedding.EXPOSE the
masses!!!
Thanks to the guys I've gotten stuff e on the TD site, If anyone has
reservations about ordering things from anyone here, just read the site and
you'll find out who the reel(pun intended) fans are.
As fer the pablo cd, I cant wait to get it!! I still dont have the Tournado cd
yet so I'm a little behind in my TD purchases ....keep getting sidetracked by
my new DVD player.....maybe TD wil release some stuff on there. BY the by does
anyone know how to get a copy of the film....THE PARK IS MINE or DEAD SOLID
PERFECT on tape or laser? If someone has any TD movies they wanna sell or
copy..I'm asking now. Thanks and HAPPY B DAY TD.!
Chrisa.k.a.
BRUNO
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Subject: What is NGC891?
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Message text written by INTERNET:tadream@c...
>To sum it up:
ngc 891 is a nice peace, worthful enough to hold the CD,<
Just thought I'd use some free time to look-up NGC891 in the star charts
(well, star CDROM) and discovered....
Nothing special. A dim spiral galaxy in Andromeda (NOT the famous Andromeda
galaxy!).
Not even one of the liquid Pleiades!
Maybe they chose a number at random.
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Subject: New original (was same old stuff)
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Message text written by INTERNET:tadream@c...
>I have to agree with this. TD is my all time favorite group. I've been a
fan for 22 years but still...what can you continue to say thaat hasn't
been said many, many times before?<
Well, I've been on the list for only a few months, so I haven't heard
things many, many times before.
There'll be people joining this list after me, too.
If new members are welcome then its a sure thing that questions will be
repeated and subjects resurrected - and we appreciate input from the
'elders' of the list, even if you have said it before.
(who put that soapbox under me?)
Now.... to serious TD content...
The old lady outside The Keep can't be Chris; he had a thicker moustache.
Actually, I imagine the Professor and the Priest as Edgar and Chris -
'No, my friend. Electronic music should be ambient and ethereal.'
'Ha! I am right - it should be rock-oriented. Admit it: you were wrong and
I was right!'
...etc.
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Subject: Le Parc est mon
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>I quite like your selection of 'hits', but a few obvious picks are
omitted, most notably 'Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe', the only real 'hit'
they band has had anywhere. I would also suggest Chris Franke's 'Chimes
and Chains', Logos 'Blue Part', the Theme from Streethawk, 'Tiergarten',
'Cottage' (or something from Legend), 'Horns of Doom', 'A Time For Heroes
(it's cheesy, but so is 'Love of Mine'), 'Fort Worth Runway One', and
'Quasar'<
I should think so!
Imagine considering Le Parc and not landing on Tiergarten
That and Yellowstone Park are my faves of that album.
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>Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey)
>>Yes, there was only one pressing - from Germany.
>Uh, I also got the German pressing from, ummmm, Scotland...
>
>Does anyone have a translation of the German text contained in the
>liner, or was the non-German version also created with liner notes in
>German?
A translation of the German text would be nice.
Please provide more information on your 'non-German' release from Scotland.
Is this where you bought it, or is it actually made in Scotland? What
distinguishes it from the German release?
>The only thing that I translated was that JS willingly
>participated in the bootleg Antarkis (controversy...OK the liner notes
>only mention Antarkis with a bunch of German stuff around it).
I don't know German, but I don't think Johannes would dedicate 4 pages
talking about a TD bootleg on his solo album :-)
Vic
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Subject: Re: sub F***, but Collecting TD is Hell
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Hi Sean
If you want the Jim and Pablo CDs, Try e-mailing Annemarie Hill at
Voiceprint.
I think they also have a toll-free US phone number for orders as well and a
fax number (so you can fax your credit card info if need be) but I don't
have that info in front of me, I'm sure Annemarie could give it to you...
they take visa, MC, amex and cash...
good luck
lars
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>Just thought I'd use some free time to look-up NGC891 in the
star charts
>(well, star CDROM) and discovered....
>Nothing special. A dim spiral galaxy in Andromeda (NOT the
famous Andromeda
>galaxy!).Not even one of the liquid Pleiades!
>Maybe they chose a number at random.
Or maybe it's something else entirely. Maybe it's part of a
secret code running through Aqua that points the way to special prize. .
Scott
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Subject: Oasis and Canyon Dreams, new release information
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Yo Collectors!
Just got off the phone with Miramar and here is the scoop on the latest
information.
1. Oasis will be released in the U.S. on October 28th. There is one new song
called 'Chia Maroon' that is not on the TDI version. The cover art has been
changed too.
2. Oasis will go to Laserdisc via Image. Possibly a DVD ?
3. Canyon Dreams is going to DVD but there is no release date yet.
Ain't it expensive keeping up with the Tangs.
CHEERS...Matt
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> Or maybe it's something else entirely. Maybe it's part of a
> secret code running through Aqua that points the way to special prize. .
>
> Scott
Hey! Considering the titles of the Macula Transfer songs, that
almost makes sense... Samoan Islands, here I come!
- jim
'I object to all this sex on the television... I mean, I keep falling
off!'
- Graham Chapman
'jimbo@v...' is James F. Moore -- Atlanta, Georgia, USA
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Visit my website @ http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo
> Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves
> 1. Oasis will be released in the U.S. on October 28th. There is one new
song
> called 'Chia Maroon' that is not on the TDI version.
Well, that's one more song for my compilation set...
> 2. Oasis will go to Laserdisc via Image. Possibly a DVD ?
> 3. Canyon Dreams is going to DVD but there is no release date yet.
I don't want a full blown thread to come out of this (maybe there's a
newsgroup that's hashed this out already), but am I wrong in
wanting to give DVD a few more months before starting to
invest in the technology? Although I see and hear about it
in a lot of places, will DVD be THE STANDARD for audio and
video, or will it become more of a niche market item (like DAT,
MD, and DCC -- or even LD to a degree)?
- jim
'I object to all this sex on the television... I mean, I keep falling
off!'
- Graham Chapman
'jimbo@v...' is James F. Moore -- Atlanta, Georgia, USA
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Subject: Re: Happy Birthday TD
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
> Really-From: Grant Middleton
>
> > Really-From: Hilmar Kraft
> >
>
> >
> > !!! HAPPY 30th BIRTHDAY TD !!!
>
> Cooooolllll. I was born on the 22nd September 1967,
> exactly one week before. I can claim seniority over
> TD ! :-)
>
> Grunt
>
> PS, Please don't congratulate /me/ on reaching the big
> 3-0.
Wy not ? It takes a 30 year effort to reach it, doesn't it ?
So congratulations Grunt, You are almost a baby. the 4th of september I reached
42.
( and up!!!. Till my strength allows me to continue on)
Anyway, Age is an state of the mind. I continue to be the very same kid as ever,
only playing with another kind of toys.
--->Franccisco
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Subject: Re: Oasis and Canyon Dreams, new release information
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On Oct 2, 5:13pm, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: Oasis and Canyon Dreams, new release information
> Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves
>
>
> Yo Collectors!
>
> Just got off the phone with Miramar and here is the scoop on the latest
> information.
>
> 1. Oasis will be released in the U.S. on October 28th. There is one new song
> called 'Chia Maroon' that is not on the TDI version. The cover art has been
> changed too.
>
> 2. Oasis will go to Laserdisc via Image. Possibly a DVD ?
Groovy! Have you got an e-mail address for Miramar???
>
> 3. Canyon Dreams is going to DVD but there is no release date yet.
>
> Ain't it expensive keeping up with the Tangs.
Yeah, but it's worth it... Imagine for a second if you were that fanatic
about,
say, Milli Vanilli (or whatever the spelling was). Could you then live with
yourself??? ;-)
>
> CHEERS...Matt
>
>-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
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Subject: No TD Star Wars Prequel update
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For those interested:
>XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT FLASH XXXXX THU OCT 02 1997 01:17:07 PDT XXXXX
>
>
>STAR WARS STAYS AT FOX?
>
>HOLLYWOOD -- There are new indications that George Lucas is keeping his STAR
>WARS franchise at 20TH CENTURY FOX. Studios sources, while not able to
>confirm that a deal is in place, over the past few weeks have become
>convinced that Lucas is staying put. There is new talk on the lot that the
>STAR WARS-EPISODE I trailer has already been penciled in to be shown in
>front of X-FILES THE MOVIE next year in theaters. And according to one
>studio source, the new STAR WARS distribution deal could eventually give
>Lucas the first $1 billion payday for a movie in history.
>
>'If the new STAR WARS prequel sells as many tickets as the original film
>did, and with a Lucas-friendly deal in place here, he could set money
>records that may never be seen again,' one FOX executive tells the DRUDGE
>REPORT.
>
>LUCASFILM is completely financing the new STAR WARS; George Lucas is
>writing, producing and directing.
>
>The first phase of Episode I's production wrapped over the weekend at
>England's Leavesden Studios. Over the past few months the movie's cast and
>crew have traveled from the Leavesden stages to film on locations in Italy
>and North Africa. To keep plot mystery, misleading scenes have reportedly
>been filmed. Lucas also reportedly spread around multiple versions of the
>shooting script -- with alternative names and scenes, etc. According to
>production notes, the crew will re-assemble early next year for phase II of
>shooting. Release is set for Summer '99.
>
>LUCASFILM has set up a website tease with news from the set, production
>notes and pictures, casting updates and a discussion of the new STAR WARS
>city of Coruscant. http://www.starwars.com/episode-i
>
> X X X X X
>
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Subject: Re: D:Aqua
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Erik wrote:
>No clue about panorphelia. An all-encompassing love of Orpheus? Maybe not.
:)
>
>-Erik
An obsession with cooking utensils? Or maybe something about panoramas.
Mike
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Subject: Re: TD in German TV
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>The titles at the begining said: Original Music by Michel Foxx
>And indeed the core music in this film wasn't TD.
Ahha! My evil twin is at it again! Cloned at birth! I always knew it!
Michael Fox
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Really-From: Steve Hinksman
Hi all,
Presumably this interesting only to those who live
in the Toronto area, and even then maybe not those...
but I found Pinnacles at Tower Records downtown for
$21 - I bought the last copy, but either Sam's or
HMV had a copy for $22. I also bought Zoning at HMV
for $30 - they had plenty of copies. Sam's & HMV had
a good selection of TD - one had Three OClock High for
$22, and Catch Me if You Can for $37. Neither soundtrack
interests me, though I would have bought CMIYC if it
was more reasonable.
I must say that Pinnacles sounds like a bunch of
songs meant for Hyperborea. Play the CDs one after
another, and it's a double album! I like Hyperborea,
so it's no surprise I like Pinnacles.
Now if I could just find _Ages_ and Dream Roots Box Set,
I'd be reasonably happy. I regret not snapping up Quinoa
when it was available from Voiceprint, but I balked at the
15 or 16 Pounds price - converts to $30, plus shipping.
(Yeah, I know I just spent $30 + tax on Zoning). Oh well,
someone else got the copy I could have bought, so it
wasn't like it was wasted.
Oh yeah, almost forgot: I received Tournado, Oasis CD,
Dream Mixes 2CD, and World Tour Single (Das Madchen... &
Tournado sounds great, hope I can see a show during the
next NA tour (1998?); Oasis sounds like what I
expected - a Canyon Dreams type of atmosphere, but with
different sounds & songs; Dream Mixes is cool - the
remixes have enough of the original song to recognize
it, but a good dance beat/house groove/whatever as
well; and the Das Madchen single is number 41 (with an
asterisk [*] printed beside it in the black - what does
this mean? Second pressing?).
All the best,
Steve
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On Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:14:41 -0400 (EDT), you wrote:
>Please provide more information on your 'non-German' release from Scotland.
>Is this where you bought it, or is it actually made in Scotland? What
>distinguishes it from the German release?
It's just the German Polydor release, but C&D Disc Services put a made
in Scotland sticker on the case for some reason.
>
>>The only thing that I translated was that JS willingly
>>participated in the bootleg Antarkis (controversy...OK the liner notes
>>only mention Antarkis with a bunch of German stuff around it).
>
>I don't know German, but I don't think Johannes would dedicate 4 pages
>talking about a TD bootleg on his solo album :-)
>
>Vic
>
You mean 'Zwangslaufigkeit: ein Konzeptalbum, die Antarkis' doesn't
translate to 'I created the TD bootleg, Antarkis'? So much for my
German.
--
Mike Livsey
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Subject: Re: Pinnacles & Zoning found in Toronto
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>
> Hi all,
>
> Presumably this interesting only to those who live
> in the Toronto area, and even then maybe not those...
> but I found Pinnacles at Tower Records downtown for
> $21 - I bought the last copy, but either Sam's or
> HMV had a copy for $22. I also bought Zoning at HMV
> for $30 - they had plenty of copies. Sam's & HMV had
> a good selection of TD - one had Three OClock High for
> $22, and Catch Me if You Can for $37. Neither soundtrack
> interests me, though I would have bought CMIYC if it
> was more reasonable.
>
> I must say that Pinnacles sounds like a bunch of
> songs meant for Hyperborea. Play the CDs one after
> another, and it's a double album! I like Hyperborea,
> so it's no surprise I like Pinnacles.
>
> Now if I could just find _Ages_ and Dream Roots Box Set,
> I'd be reasonably happy. I regret not snapping up Quinoa
> when it was available from Voiceprint, but I balked at the
> 15 or 16 Pounds price - converts to $30, plus shipping.
> (Yeah, I know I just spent $30 + tax on Zoning). Oh well,
> someone else got the copy I could have bought, so it
> wasn't like it was wasted.
>
> Oh yeah, almost forgot: I received Tournado, Oasis CD,
> Dream Mixes 2CD, and World Tour Single (Das Madchen... &
> Tournado sounds great, hope I can see a show during the
> next NA tour (1998?); Oasis sounds like what I
> expected - a Canyon Dreams type of atmosphere, but with
> different sounds & songs; Dream Mixes is cool - the
> remixes have enough of the original song to recognize
> it, but a good dance beat/house groove/whatever as
> well; and the Das Madchen single is number 41 (with an
> asterisk [*] printed beside it in the black - what does
> this mean? Second pressing?).
>
> All the best,
>
> Steve
Steve,
How is Tournado?
I haven't found it here yet. All the stores are slow recieving thier
shipments here in San Francisco.
I did but Oasis, and your right it does sound a bit like Canyon Dreams.
I like it though.
Neil
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Subject: Hypnotic: The Good & Bad News
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THE GOOD NEWS:
A guy named 'Bryan' from Hypnotic called me yesterday while I was
at the gym. He left a message for me to call him.
THE BAD NEWS:
When I called him, it turns out that all he really wanted to do was
chat because he's 'a fan of the band.' It seems he likes TD up through
EXIT. He was interested in getting ahold of the Ones singles and the
'Ultima Thule' singles, so I told him which boots they're on, and how
the Ones tracks are even on a legit CD.
[He said he likes STUNTMAN but there was a silence when I mentioned
EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE as being the second-most imitated TD-related
album. He'd never heard of it. I told him that since he doesn't like
post-1981 TD, the albums to check out would be EPSILON and the UK vers.
of THE DREAM MIXES. He asked about 'a new live album out on Voiceprint'
and I explained that it was on TDI, being sold via Voiceprint. I also
told him that this live album--TOURNADO--was a turkey since it was all
cover tunes. I said OASIS was better.]
As for the compilation idea, he said that there were too many
record labels involved. I told him that three labels (Virgin, Sequel,
Miramar) make up about 75% of it, with Varese and Silva Screen making
up much of the rest, so that there are really only 5 labels of any
real significance to deal with.
SOME MORE GOOD NEWS:
Well, there's still Rising Star Records. ;) (They're the ones
who didn't issue a tribute album, but a compilation album comprised
entirely of other labels' artists.)
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: Re: Brendan Pollard
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Hello Miguel-
>Really-From: 'Miguel Angel Esteban'
>Does someone knows what a famous TD seller named Brendan Pollard is
>doing actualyyy. He seems to be completly disapeard.
And for good reason. Lets just say that he has 'retired' from the TD scene
for a number of reasons. I plan on visiting him while in Lodon for the TD
concert in Nov. If he still owes you something, you should write him at the
same address you should have. Keep in mind that it will take a while to
hear back...
goozer
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Subject: Chris Franke on Disney Channel tonight!
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Really-From: Craig Shipley
If you are not a Baptist that is boycotting Disney, you might want to tune in
to the Disney Channel this evening at 11:45. There is this new movie/series
that is on this evening called 'Hypernauts' (kind of a Power Rangers / Mech
Warrior-ish series) that Chris Franke did the score for. My sons had it on and
I noticed that the track was rather techno in nature (think Klemania), at least
the part that I heard. Only at the very end did I see that Franke was
responsible for the score. Check it out and see what you think...
NP: Redshift / Redshift
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Really-From: Doug Pearson
Speaking of Miramar...
A couple of days ago I got a small laser disc catalog from Ken Crane's
Laserdisc and in it was an ad for a disc entitled 'National Parks'. The
text of the add went like this...
All the beauty and breathtaking spendor of America's national parks is
captured here for your enjoyment. With musical accompaniment by
***Tangerine Dream*** (the ***'s are mine) and Lanz & Speer, National
Parks takes you on a tour of the Grand Canyon, Rainier National Park,
Yellowstone, Joshua Tree, Carlsbad Caverns, and more. A feast of sight
and sound showcasing our most prized national treasures.
FYI,
-dep-
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> Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves
>
> Yo Collectors!
>
> Just got off the phone with Miramar and here is the scoop on the latest
> information.
>
> 1. Oasis will be released in the U.S. on October 28th. There is one new song
> called 'Chia Maroon' that is not on the TDI version. The cover art has been
> changed too.
>
> 2. Oasis will go to Laserdisc via Image. Possibly a DVD ?
>
> 3. Canyon Dreams is going to DVD but there is no release date yet.
>
> Ain't it expensive keeping up with the Tangs.
>
> CHEERS...Matt
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Subject: Re: Chris Franke on Disney Channel tonight!
At 20:29 199710.02 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: Craig Shipley
the Disney Channel this evening at 11:45. There is this new movie/series
that is on this evening called 'Hypernauts' (kind of a Power Rangers / Mech
Warrior-
I saw the first episode a year or two back. IMNSHO, the show *sucks*. It
ranks up there with the Purple Evil Monster that appears on PBS and sucks
out young childrens' brains.
just my $0.02
'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way they decide on which instruments to take on the road.
/^\
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Subject: Schmoelling's 'White Out'
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Hi Vic,
I also have the 'printed spine' version of White Out.
Polydor 843 395-2
1990
Oscar Dean
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Subject: What is NGC891? and other codes...
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Hi, dreamers of the lost meaning!
Macula transfer contains its own mysteries:
what are: os452, af765, pa701, quantas 611 and if810?
if810 could look like a program line but in waht kind of language?
has anyboby some ideas upon theses?
fred
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Subject: Re: What is NGC891? and other codes...
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> Really-From: FredYargui@a...
>
> Hi, dreamers of the lost meaning!
>
> Macula transfer contains its own mysteries:
>
> what are: os452, af765, pa701, quantas 611 and if810?
>
> if810 could look like a program line but in waht kind of language?
Easy. They're flight codes, the hint is 'Qantas' [Which dosen't have a
'u' because it's an acronym for Queensland and Northern Territories Air
Service (or something close)].
If I remember rightly, Edgar composed the pieces whilst on those
flights...
Cheers,
Kev
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>Really-From: FredYargui@a...
>Hi, dreamers of the lost meaning!
>Macula transfer contains its own mysteries:
>what are: os452, af765, pa701, quantas 611 and if810?
>if810 could look like a program line but in waht kind of language?
>has anyboby some ideas upon theses?
>fred
Flight numbers I believe. The idea was that the music was composed whilst
travelling.
Macula? Something to do with eyes? Etymologists please advise.
Andy
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Subject: RE: What is NGC891? and other codes...
Hello fellow dreamers. I'm new here
I read somewhere that these refer to flight numbers on trips that Edgar
has taken.
Keep up the work!!
POULTONL@N...
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>Really-From: FredYargui@a...
>Hi, dreamers of the lost meaning!
>Macula transfer contains its own mysteries:
>what are: os452, af765, pa701, quantas 611 and if810?
>if810 could look like a program line but in waht kind of language?
>has anyboby some ideas upon theses?
>fred
Flight numbers I believe. The idea was that the music was composed
whilst
travelling.
Macula? Something to do with eyes? Etymologists please advise.
Andy
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Subject: Castle Communications
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I just read in the latest issue of Progression magazine that Castle
Comm. filed for bankruptcy. Is that true? How is TD affected?
Scott E. Plumer
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Andy B. wrote:
>Macula? Something to do with eyes? Etymologists please advise.
'Macula' is a latin word (macula, -ae) meaning 'a spot, stain, blemish,
fault, defect, stigma,' etc. thus the 'immaculate conception' is without
stain, blemish, fault, sin, etc... (this is just an example so don't freak
if you're an atheist, etc....) 'Macula' comes into English as 'blotch' or
'spot,' usually in reference to (anatomical) tissue; there is a 'macula
lutea' in the retina that is the area of maximum visual acuity.
Turning to pure speculation, I might interpret the title as dealing with
one of a few things: either a self-referential comment (in the context of
an airline flight as a transfer) in which Edgar is the 'macula' being
transferred (or the music itself as a mental 'spot') -- or as referring to
a transfer of some sort of locus acuity (probably to the aural or
intellectual/mental sphere). Of course 'macula' could be a reference to
musical notation (see the examples in the early Ohr albums...) in which the
'spot' is transferred from the mind to the page and to the instruments and
recordable media. Heck, it might even be some sort of reference to
'cleaning' or 'cleansing' in which a blemish is transferred (eg removed)
from its original host object/person... In this case maybe an abstract
concept that leads to the creation of the music is the spot and that the
transfer is a personal act of cleansing: the creative process thus washing
the blemish from the intellect. I know I feel this way after writing a
long paper...
Of course it could be any or none of these ;-)
lars
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Paul Haslinger.....
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:18:26 +0900
From: 'William O. Davis'
To: ''mjean@s...''
Subject: Planetary Traveler is Now Avalible!
Planetary Traveler is now available on video for only $19.98!
(www.thirdplanet-inc.com)
You asked us to notify you when Planetary Traveler was available and we are now
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'Your in for an out-of-this-world experience with Planetary Traveler.' - Guy
Kawasaki, Chief Evangelist, Apple Computers.
See this review about Planetary Traveler in Wired Magazine
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
Where is this info on the TD page???
I got the CD yesterday...I saw the other titles listed in the
booklet...Now I guess I know that TD did ALL of them...
Will the entire series be available in English at some point?
I agree with Steve, that it would be nice to have the music by itself
(like Rumpel....) Perhaps they will in the future....
RE: OASIS Another new song!?! I haven't even received my first version
yet (though I have the video)!
MJ
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On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
> I just read in the latest issue of Progression magazine that Castle
> Comm. filed for bankruptcy. Is that true? How is TD affected?
>
> Scott E. Plumer
Perhaps this explains why TD has seemingly returned to Miramar?
I could understand Miramar picking up Oasis to release on video, but if
they are going to release the soundtrack, WITH a new track on it (is this
'Chia Maroon' an addition, or a replacement for 'Hopi Mesa Heart'), this
implies some kind of deal between TD and Miramar, IMO.
Gabe
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So what label will the soundtrack be released on?
Gabe
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enb asked:
>How is Tournado?
I like it. But then, I like the last few albums that
the tracks are from - GC, ToTT, ToB, Oasis, and I even
like Rockoon (but I'm a guitarist, so I have a natural
bias, I guess).
>I haven't found it here yet. All the stores are slow recieving thier
>shipments here in San Francisco.
I ordered direct from Voiceprint - about the same price,
and I don't have to scrounge around too much to find
them (I did not see Tournado, Dream Mixes 2CD, Oasis,
or Maedchen on the Stairs anywhere when I was downtown,
so I'd still be looking).
>I did buy Oasis, and your right it does sound a bit like Canyon Dreams.
>I like it though.
I love Canyon Dreams, so I can't help but like Oasis.
I'll probably never buy any Jim & Pablo CDs - I
guess I'm not that much of a fanatic. I'd rather
spend some cash on new (to me) artists, like I
did recently with Paul Nagle's CDs, which are
really good. Hey Paul, I saw a live CD by you
at (a forgotten name) website, but it's not at
the AMP website. What's the deal?
ALl the best,
Steve
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> RE: OASIS Another new song!?! I haven't even received my first version
> yet (though I have the video)!
I was a little annoyed to hear this too. I finally got my TDI version
today...and now I hear that if I'd waited another few weeks I could have
had it for half the price, with an extra song, and undoubtably better
sleeve art. Arrgh.
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Hello !!
Yesterday my computer locked up while downloading digest # 58, therefore I
lost it.
I would appreciate if anybody out there could send me a copy of it.
In advance I thank you.
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Subject: Re: Oasis and Canyon Dreams, new release information
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Really-From: Michael Fox
Imagine for a second if you were that fanatic
>about,
>say, Milli Vanilli (or whatever the spelling was). Could you then live with
>yourself??? ;-)
>
Sure as hell would be cheaper than collecting TD!
Mike
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Really-From: Paul Nagle
On Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:31:17 -0400, tadream@c... (tadream mailing
list) wrote:
>guess I'm not that much of a fanatic. I'd rather
>spend some cash on new (to me) artists, like I
New artists are cool. Fat Germans have had their day....
>did recently with Paul Nagle's CDs, which are
>really good. Hey Paul, I saw a live CD by you
>at (a forgotten name) website, but it's not at
>the AMP website. What's the deal?
SMD have an exclusive deal initially for distribution as the live
music was recorded at two gigs, one SMD organised (Jodrell Bank) and
the other organised by Midas (Electric Cafe).
I don't even have any myself as I gave away the ten I have so far
managed to extract from AMP. OK, I have ONE copy left but it's mine,
naff cover and all...
Dunno how long the SMD exclusive lasts. In fact I don't know much.
already swelling in anticipation. Does the prospect of KLEM excite
anyone else this way?
BIG
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> New artists are cool. Fat Germans have had their day....
HERETIC!!! What are you doing on this mailing list? ;-)
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>And for good reason. Lets just say that he has 'retired' from the TD scene
>for a number of reasons. I plan on visiting him while in Lodon for the TD
>concert in Nov. If he still owes you something, you should write him at the
>same address you should have. Keep in mind that it will take a while to
>hear back...
If you're really going to see him, Hermes, let him know that there are
a few baseball bats waiting for him out there. And hell, neither I nor
any other of the many reknowned collectors he's screwed will write
_again_. We've all done this many times. Next time, the bats will
speak :-(
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Subject: House of the Rising Sun, Nomad, The Keep, Orange, Quixochette
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Later this afternoon, I will move House of the Rising Sun (played by
Tangerine Dream in 1988) to a different server. This move should be
transparent. If it still points to the old address, hit 'Reload' on your
browser.
Also, Nomad (1992 tour, I think), an excerpt from The Keep, and the whole
bloody 14 minute encore from the January 31st, 1980 East Berlin concert
will be added over the next day or two.
Orange (excerpt from Logotypes) will continue to reside on my main server...
The fun starts at http://www.phoenix.net/~feldon/orange.html
Morgan
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I have a total of 33 megabytes of webspace now (I'm buying up UNIX shells
like no tomorrow) so let's see what TD we can get up there!
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At 02:01 03/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
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>
>
>
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:12:09 +0000
>Subject: Brendan Pollard
>
>-
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>Does someone knows what a famous TD seller named Brendan Pollard is
>doing actualyyy. He seems to be completly disapeard.
>
>------------------------------
>
Yes! Owing many people a good deal of money!!! Under the circumstances its
probably just as well for him that he's disappeared!
Ash
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
> Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
>
> Howdy guys,
> I assume that the tree is a way to pass along new 'rare' recordings? >From
what I gather , poor Mark has an important part in all this? Please ex[lain to
us 'newbies' if possible,
A tree is an structured way to distribute a fan tape. There initial tape is
called seed. There is a tree administrator who post the offering on the mail
lists and specifies the media allowed and the minimum cloning the subscriber
has to do. People subscribe and the administrator then, based in geographical
data, puts every person inside the tree structure.
A simple tree structure could be:
Cassette branch.
pepito@w... ( head of tree)
|
|
----juanito@q... ( branch)
| |
| |---pedrito@???.org ( leave)
| |----julito@z... ( leave)
|
|----tonito@q...@fr ( second branch)
Minimum vocabulary ( not in alphabetical order)
SEED: tape ( analog , digital) or minidisc recorded by a fan, generously
offered
to be copied.
BRANCH: person inside a tree structure being the 'parent' of several 'sons'
LEAVE: Person at the last stage of a branch
TRADE: the name of the game. On a tree there is no money involved. Trade is a
lot
better since both parts get something more valuable than money.
But,
if someone has no tape to trade blank tapes/CDR's are usually
accepted.
DEAD: Jerry García and his band is the greatest friend of tapers. ALmost
everyone
who has traded has at least one live recording of ' The Grateful
Dead'
Well, hope this helps
---Francisco
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Subject: Pergamon
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Hi! Yi! Yoo! Ha!
Did you notice this :
in 'pergamon' first release, it is marked : 'live at the palast der republik'
in 'pergamon' 20bit remaster, it is : 'live at the palast der repbulik'
funny, isnt'it?
and not serious, is it?
well, I'm making a sleeve for live rheims '74 with photo from box '70-'80
So I checked live tadream albums...
But it takes a lot a time whem you're not used to photo techniques, It will
take me some days...
And in the end, I'll put this with extra photos from lp I promised in a
previous mail.
Does anyone know if 'aolpress' id a good html maker? I found it at aol's
(it's obvious, I know).
DreamRegards to all, fred
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Subject: Re: Castle Communications
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Really-From: David Datta
: Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
:
: I just read in the latest issue of Progression magazine that Castle
: Comm. filed for bankruptcy. Is that true? How is TD affected?
Castle Communications USA is owned by a company called 'Alliance
Entertainment'. They filed chapter 11 (Reorganization) about 3 months
ago. This has no impact on Castle UK which TD is signed to, they are
different companies.
Alliance also owns Matrix Software, the company at which I am employed.
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HI all-
>Andy B. wrote:
>>Macula? Something to do with eyes? Etymologists please advise.
IIRC, it is an astronomical term that has to do with sunspots (ie: the area
at which the edge of the spot and the surface meet.) Armin?
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Hi all-
>Really-From: Klaus Beschorner
>>And for good reason. Lets just say that he has 'retired' from the TD scene
>>for a number of reasons. I plan on visiting him while in Lodon for the TD
>>concert in Nov. If he still owes you something, you should write him at the
>>same address you should have. Keep in mind that it will take a while to
>>hear back...
>
>If you're really going to see him, Hermes, let him know that there are
>a few baseball bats waiting for him out there. And hell, neither I nor
>any other of the many reknowned collectors he's screwed will write
>_again_. We've all done this many times. Next time, the bats will
>speak :-(
Erm...are we just a _little_ angry? ; ) I was trying to be _diplomatic_
about this! ; )
I'm one of the 'screwees', which is why I'm going to personally collect my
past due orders from him! And maybe I won't even use harsh language...; )
goozer (who will have to leave his bat at customs, I'm sure!)
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In a past mailing Francisco Salgado C.' wrote:
>
> Howdy guys,
> I assume that the tree is a way to pass along new 'rare' recordings?
A tree is an structured way to distribute a fan tape. There initial tape is
called seed. There is a tree administrator who post the offering on the mail
lists and specifies the media allowed and the minimum cloning the subscriber
has to do. People subscribe and the administrator then, based in geographical
data, puts every person inside the treeWell, hope this helps'
Yes , thanks so much!!! Ya never stop learning . I'm glad the postings have
increased again . Checking the list mailings makes my day go much faster and
more enjoyable.By the way, what has happened to JIM AND PABLO information on
the TD site? It was there one day and gone the next. My mailings to voiceprint
have heeded no answer either.Is this cd now pulled awaiting domestic release?
chris
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Excuse me if I intrude on your private clique discussion, but what you
are doing here has really made me angry. I have been reading these pages for
several days now and noted your laments about how nobody new is coming in,
the mail is dying out, no new discussions, etc. But the minute someone new
comes in with a happy announcement of a wedding at which she plans to
initiate her guests to TD in hopes of converting some of them to the group,
you put her down as a Deadhead. She should be getting congratulations and
hopes that she will be successful at spreading the word about TD. She should
be getting a welcome to the group message not a put down. I, myself, have
jumped in a couple of times, even spoke to one of you personally and have
received no answer (exception Dave Brewer, thank you kindly sir). If this is
typical of the treatment new people get it's no wonder the pond is stagnant.
But you're not going to run me out of here. I love TD music and will stay to
get any news I can of them even if I have to suffer through the insults. Dell
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Yes, it's a tough job being a TD fan and trying to keep up with everything.
The Jim and Pablo CD states that this is a series of releases and implies
that this is the first of 10. So I don't think we should see a multiple of
11. 'Der Meteor' is the first of them...
I just wanted to say that my top three TD soundtracks are (in order of
preference):
1. Sorcerer
2. Thief
3. Wavelength
Have a great weekend!
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Tracks 6 & 7 of 'The Keep' soundtrack, along with House of the Rising Sun
and Orange from Logotypes are now online as MP3s at my website.
Nomad will likely replace Orange (but the web address will stay the same).
The Pergamon encore will be added next week, along with any other MP3s I
get this weekend in the email. (please, stuff between 1975-1985, if possible)
Morgan
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Forgive me if I missed an answer to this one, but 'ngc891' is
an astronomical name. I believe it is a galaxy, but I'd have
to double-check and I don't have the free bandwidth at the moment.
Of course, you already have the 'flight numbers' answer for the
Macula Transfer titles.
Michael Kepler
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Really-From: Hilmar Kraft
Hi folks,
just found the monthly brochure of my mail-order record
store in the mail. It lists all the new releases that
came out during the last month, etc.
To my amazement, there was a huge half-page ad for
Tournado. Under the usual headline of 'The World's
leading synth band' there were some press clippings
which I found interesting.
As this ad was in German and the Press reviews were
originally in English I guess they cannot be 100%
accurately translated back to their original form.
But here they are anyway:
LOS ANGELES TIMES:
'Tournado' is probably the best live album by T.D. Those who
are truely looking for experiences and adventures in sound
when listening to music will love this CD and will happily
follow its routing of feelings'
USA TODAY:
'...this music is energy. The band, originally founded in
Berlin, has paved the way for many modern ambient-,
trance-, drum & bass- and sonic beatfests- acts. Tangerine
Dream at it's best'
NEW YORK TIMES:
'Tangerine Dream as a modern music band is still a
milestone in all musical and technical aspects of an
electronic live performance'
LONDON TIMES:
'Tangerine Dream, likely the most important pioneers
of international electronic acts, once again display their
creative force and their professional stage performance'
I found this very interesting. I seem to recall that
the press has either slammed or ignored TD for the last
decade or so. I don't think all of the papers
above would simply print press releases by the record
company...on the other hand these statements almost
sound too positive to be taken as serious reviews...
Comments anyone?
PS: Tournado is distributed in Germany via EFA, one of
the biggest distributors of independent labels. You
can check out their official press release about
Tournado in German and English at the following
address: http://www.efamedien.com
Hilmar
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Hi everyone,
anyone coming to the KLEM festival next saturday ? Concerts by RMI, Michael
Stearns, Ashra and others.
Wave ~~~
Tom
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>Really-From: Tom Coppens
>
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>anyone coming to the KLEM festival next saturday ? Concerts by RMI, Michael
>Stearns, Ashra and others.
I'll definitely be there. You probably can find me at the Alfa
Centauri-stand.
Hope to see some of you.
Marcel
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>Really-From: Hilmar Kraft
>
>LOS ANGELES TIMES:
>'Tournado' is probably the best live album by T.D. Those who
>are truely looking for experiences and adventures in sound
>when listening to music will love this CD and will happily
>follow its routing of feelings'
>I found this very interesting. I seem to recall that
>the press has either slammed or ignored TD for the last
>decade or so. I don't think all of the papers
>above would simply print press releases by the record
>company...on the other hand these statements almost
>sound too positive to be taken as serious reviews...
>
>Comments anyone?
Strange pattern here.
Most of us like the old TD (pre 86), but the public/press don't.
Now they're making 'background-music' (IMO) and the public and
press give them more attention and like them more.
Maybe TD is paying a lot of money to write positive reviews?
Very, very strange. (or are we strange?).
Marcel
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>Really-From: 'Kimberly M. Zemo'
Hey everyone,
I'll be out of touch for a little while starting tomorrow, I'm
getting married this sat. and will be honeymooning the following week :)
Of course, I've arranged with the DJ to play some TD at the reception
during the cocktail hour & dinner...can't let all those people get away
without exposing them to some TD. Who knows, maybe I'll make a few more
converts :) <
C'mon guys! Let's see if we can guess/suggest some tracks!
How about 'Trap Feeling' from Thief ?
Oooh! I know! 'Lifted Veil' from Rockoon!
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
> Really-From: Tom Coppens
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> anyone coming to the KLEM festival next saturday ? Concerts by RMI,
Michael
> Stearns, Ashra and others.
I´ll be there. Hope to CU and many others of you :-)
Jens
PS: Marcel, what´s with you ? (wink, wink!)
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Hi!
Effectively, it works, but only with a right click and not a left click. This
is mentionned in the web page, but I didn't read because I was impatient to
get the file!!
many thanks for this material
fred
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OK Dell
Welcome to the list; we're always in need of fiesty new blood ;-)
even if we don't say so...
lars
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Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
Just back on the list, and then those bad news about our old mate, Mark. If
anyone speaks to him over the next few days, could you please tell him
that I feel really sorry and that I hope he'll be back soon - under better
circumstances than he has to endure at the moment. All the best,
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Dans un courrier date du 04/10/97 15:14:03 , vous avez ecrit :
<< Most of us like the old TD (pre 86), but the public/press don't. >>
I'm not the press (sure) nor public, since i LOVE many TD albums from 72 to
97 (guess what I do not like!) Of course, I have my favourite tracks on every
album, but I do not consider one specific album is bad.
Writing this, I keep in mind that some press magazines in France (I forgot
the name) said (for instance) that CYCLONE or (more recently) TYGER was
albums one could live without. I do not agree at all.
So, tell me who I am? I think it is a (snob) cliche saying that 'We' love
pre-86-TD.
Why? Because CF left? It makes me remember that Genesis or Marillion are two
groups (among others) where people said after P.Gabriel (respectively Fish)
departure: it sounds no good any longer. I do not agree!!
Genesis changed lead vocals again with the new album 'calling all stations'.
And I think the album is good progressive rock (as Marillion goes on too),
with such long tracks!...
Let's say instead: We are lucky these bands continues producing new material,
so enjoy tracks that match your way of hearing (sometimes even playing)
electronic music. When one album would not contain even one track that fits
your mind, then I would be terribly sorry for you. This never happened to me
(and with a lot of bands, e-music, fusion, etc.).
dream_regards to all - fred
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> C'mon guys! Let's see if we can guess/suggest some tracks!
> How about 'Trap Feeling' from Thief ?
> Oooh! I know! 'Lifted Veil' from Rockoon!
Definitely 'The Kiss' from Catch Me If You Can. 'Widow Maker' from the
same soundtrack must be avoided though!
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At 10:24 AM 10/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: FredYargui@a...
><< Most of us like the old TD (pre 86), but the public/press don't. >>
>
>I'm not the press (sure) nor public, since i LOVE many TD albums from 72 to
>97 (guess what I do not like!) Of course, I have my favourite tracks on every
>album, but I do not consider one specific album is bad.
I have to disagree. A bad album simply means that much less time and
creativity went into it than Tangerine Dream *knows* they can... With the
whole soundtrack feast in 1988-1989, they cranked out like 8 albums. How
can a band do 8 albums and each have quality?
>Writing this, I keep in mind that some press magazines in France (I forgot
>the name) said (for instance) that CYCLONE or (more recently) TYGER was
>albums one could live without. I do not agree at all.
I don't follow the press, but I'm not an all-smiles kinda guy that's gonna
like anything Edgar & Co. whip together. I like Cyclone and Tyger. Lily,
Optical, Destination Berlin, and Goblin's Club are my 'turkeys.'
>So, tell me who I am? I think it is a (snob) cliche saying that 'We' love
>pre-86-TD.
I think it is a statement about the quality and direction of the music that
violently changed between 1985-1987.
They started using all the canned samples that come on the keyboards, and
not doing anything 'new'... It was all same-sounding. I mean, listen to The
House of the Rising Sun on my page, for heaven's sake. Having never heard
the original, I'd probably confuse it for half a dozen tracks on Lily,
Optical, Destination, or any sountrack between 1987-1990.
>Why? Because CF left? It makes me remember that Genesis or Marillion are two
>groups (among others) where people said after P.Gabriel (respectively Fish)
>departure: it sounds no good any longer. I do not agree!!
If the quality of the music goes down when a member leaves, I'm gonna say
it. It's not their fault, but their leaving did make a change. Frankly, I
think that Schmoelling leaving had almost as much of an impact as Franke. I
mean, listen to 1979 TD then listen to 1980 TD. Two entirely different
things, if you ask me.
>Genesis changed lead vocals again with the new album 'calling all stations'.
>And I think the album is good progressive rock (as Marillion goes on too),
>with such long tracks!...
Haven't heard it.
>Let's say instead: We are lucky these bands continues producing new material,
>so enjoy tracks that match your way of hearing (sometimes even playing)
>electronic music.
I'm not going to bend over and take anything that an artist gives me. I've
got my own musical tastes. You need to realize that when 1 person says they
think an album is bland, who cares. When 100 people say it's bland, maybe
we should listen. When 60+% of this list says that it's bland, it's not an
illusion. It's plain to see how we perceive that album.
>When one album would not contain even one track that fits
>your mind, then I would be terribly sorry for you. This never happened to me
>(and with a lot of bands, e-music, fusion, etc.).
So you just smile and listen to everything? In a way, I envy you. But in a
way, I'm glad that I can differentiate between stuff that's got creativity
in it and stuff that doesn't. I don't listen to country or bluegrass. But
the concert last week told me that Lyle Lovett is one of the greatest
musicians out there.
Sure there are always one or two tracks that I like on an album, but I
can't think of a single nanosecond of the stuff produced between 1980-1984
(except Barbakane..sorry guys) that I don't love. And the stuff between
1974-1979 was for the most part heaven too.
Morgan
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Good choices all and it is hard to choose but I will say mine are:
1. Thief
2. Flashpoint
3. Firestarter
Anybody taking a choice count here? Dell
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Subject: 'Digital Gothic' - my impressions
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Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
I just put down Paul Stump's 'Digital Gothic.' I read it in one
sitting. A rare event in my present-day information-filled life.
Disclaimer: These are my impressions and opinions. They may mean
nothing to anyone else.
Paul Stump is a music critic. As such, he does not write
accolades. 'Digital Gothic' (DG) is NOT a love feast. It is a
critical review. Rather harsh at times, fact-filled, and written
by a man who likes, but does not love, TD, the book is a must for
anyone (like me) who has not had the opportunity to read any of
the previously-released books on TD. It puts TD in a unique and
well-researched historical perspective. The descriptions of the
dynamics of music and musicians are revealing and very
instructive. To me.
Perhaps the most recurring theme is the unevenness of TD's
creative productions. This is no surprise. Does anyone know a
single musician or music group who/that has never blundered.
Other than 'Leonora No. 3,' even Beethoven's 'Fidelio' sucks.
However, TD seems to be more, shall I say, ruffled than most
other groups with similar longevity.
The language used by the author is sophisticated, sometimes to a
fault. While, personally, I find this VERY appealing, some may
find the style and language-usage a turn-off, or at the least, a
hindrance.
Certainly, DG is not for the faint-hearted, either language- or
content-wise. Some will bristle at Paul Stump's particular views.
I, for one, will be returning to this book over and over again.
Having read this book, and regardless of the accuracy of specific
information as to venues, circumstances, or dates, I feel
instructed and the better listener for it.
However, Scott's little book ('Mysterious Semblance') will still
be my guide for organizing my TD collection.
Andrew
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At 03:07 PM 10/4/1997 +0200, Marcel wrote:
[.....]
>>I found this very interesting. I seem to recall that
>>the press has either slammed or ignored TD for the last
>>decade or so. I don't think all of the papers
>>above would simply print press releases by the record
>>company...on the other hand these statements almost
>>sound too positive to be taken as serious reviews...
[......]
>Now they're making 'background-music' (IMO) and the public and
>press give them more attention and like them more.
>Maybe TD is paying a lot of money to write positive reviews?
>Very, very strange. (or are we strange?).
No, Marcel. We are more sophisticated TD listeners.
Andrew
P.S. I will ask Jens to shake your hand (at KLEMdag) for me too.
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>Subject: House of the Rising Sun, Nomad, The Keep, Orange, Quixochette
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>Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 15:42:01 -0500
>Really-From: feldon@p...
>
>[. . .] I will move House of the Rising Sun [. . .] to a different
>server. [. . .] Also, Nomad (1992 tour, I think), an excerpt from
>The Keep, and the whole bloody 14 minute encore from the January 31st,
>1980 East Berlin concert [. . .]
>The fun starts at http://www.phoenix.net/~feldon/orange.html [. . .]
>I have a total of 33 megabytes of webspace now (I'm buying up UNIX
>shells like no tomorrow) so let's see what TD we can get up there!
Yay! Does that mean that we can get that rare closing part of
THE KEEP that is only on syndicated TV broadcasts and not on videotape,
nor cable nor laserdisk? I have an audio copy of this. The sound is
pretty bad, but it's there. The entire movie sequence clocks in at
around 12:30. When I asked if anyone could put this piece of music on
the web *before*, I was told that it would take up too much storage
space, but if you've got space to spare, hey. ;) The only drawback is
that I lent the tape it's on to Mark Filipak. If you can put it on the
web, send me your snail-mail address in private e-mail and I'll make
sure that the tape finds its way to you.
See the following re-post for the details about this music:
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 96 16:47:58 EST
From: Steen Feldman
Subject: Timings for the UHF-Only Part of THE KEEP
To: Tangerine Dream Digest
Folks,
The following is a forwarding of a note I sent to Karl Reinsch
concerning putting this elusive part of THE KEEP soundtrack in a sound
file on the web. The most important part is Karl's comment, 'I just
don't want to end up with a phone-call from Edgar's lawyers. I'm
tempted to sound out the TD list to see what people think Edgar would
do.' Well, here I am, 'sounding out the TD list':
-- Steven Feldman &
+ + + + + + +
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 96 15:55:37 EST
From: Steven Feldman
Subject: Timings for the UHF-Only Part of THE KEEP
To: 'Karl W. Reinsch'
In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 28 Oct 1996 16:30:10 -0500 (EST)
On Mon, 28 Oct 1996 16:30:10 -0500 (EST) [Karl] said:
>On Mon, 28 Oct 1996, Steven Feldman wrote:
>
>> If I send out a tape, I'll be trusting you to return it because
>> it will be the original; I mean, why make the sound even worse than
>> it already is?
>
>That's fine.
It's on a better-quality tape than I remembered: a Maxell XL2S (i.e.
an XLII-S).
>> IS MINE and some other Silva Screen release because even though the
>> rights had been obtained, Ed hadn't given his permission or somesuch--
>> and THE PARK IS MINE is one of the best TD releases *ever*, IMHO. And
>> really, I don't think they care that THE KEEP music might get out. I
>> mean, Edgar has apparently let a total of five tracks slip out over
>> German radio, three of which are on the Blue Moon bootleg CD of THE
>> KEEP. This would be a boot, not a pirated piece of music, because it
>> wouldn't be competing with a commercially-available product.
>
>I just don't want to end up with a phone-call from Edgar's lawyers. I'm
>tempted to sound out the TD list to see what people think Edgar would do.
Go ahead. I just want this music out there for people to hear and
discuss.
At any rate, I listened to the tape last night and made a bunch of
observations as regards the duration of parts of it so that I can give
you pretty specific timings. The length of the entire section of the
movie I taped is 12:32 (twelve minutes and thirty-two seconds). At the
2:20 mark, we hear the sound of Glaeken's energy rod activating as the
grail-shaped top part of it is connected to the rod. The UHF-only stuff
starts at around the 3:20 mark when Glaeken tells the girl, 'Take your
father and get out of here.' We hear Glaeken's energy rod blast out at
Molasaar three more times at the 4:24 mark. The actual song in question
starts at the 5:00 mark. It is 7:32 in total. ||| The first 3:25 is the
end theme from the laserdisk/videotape/cable version of the film, but
instead of fading at the end to the sound of blowing wind, the song
takes a turn into the gutteral and ugly. At the 6:00 mark there is a
quieter passage with majestic mellotron, and then the familiar theme
returns at the 6:39 mark.
The song begins the same as in the regular version, but instead of
a fade-out to blowing wind at the end, the song continues, and eventually
ends--without wind sounds.
Basically, the song is 7:32, with the old part 3:25 and the new
part running 4:07 mins.
Here, then, is an itemization of the song's actual length:
TAPE TIME... 12:32
o 2:20 Glaeken joins the parts of the power rod together.
o 3:20 'Take your father and get out of this place.' quote.
o 4:24 Glaeken's rod blasts Molasaar three times.
o 5:00 Song begins...
SONG TIME... 7:32
o 0:00 The familiar end-theme starts up.
o 3:25 The unfamiliar part of the song starts.
o 6:00 quietish mellotron interlude
o 6:39 The familiar end-theme returns.
o 7:32 End
>-karl.
>kreinsch@r...
-- Steven Feldman &
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Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
My TD day is now complete. I just received my first copy of
'Dream Collector,' the fan publication from Germany.
What a pleasant surprise it is! Well-produced and professionally
laid-out, it is full of timely and pertinent information. For
Americans, at US $20 per annum, the subscription price is very
reasonable.
My only regret is the fact that I procrastinated subscribing for
at least 2 years. Certainly my loss.
The publication will be changing format with the next issue
(no.19), from a stapled-booklet to a larger-sized newsletter. The
number of pages will decrease from 20 to 4, but the increase in
the size of the pages (X2) and the increased frequency of
publication (from quarterly to monthly), will more than off-set
the apparent loss of information. The increased frequency will
assure better timeliness of information dissemination.
In my opinion, this is another 'must have' for the serious TD
fan. I recommend it without reservations.
Contact Peter Stoeferle at for
additional information.
Andrew
P.S. I have no financial interest in this. Just trying to make up
for (inadvertently) pissing off the gentlemen at 'Dream
Collector,' earlier this year. :-)
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Steven Feldman wrote:
> The following is a forwarding of a note I sent to Karl Reinsch
> concerning putting this elusive part of THE KEEP soundtrack in a sound
> file on the web. The most important part is Karl's comment, 'I just
> don't want to end up with a phone-call from Edgar's lawyers. I'm
> tempted to sound out the TD list to see what people think Edgar would
> do.' Well, here I am, 'sounding out the TD list'
My opinion is that Morgan's web page is promoting the forthcoming 'The
Keep' official album. So Edgar should thank him for this free
advertising.
Antonio
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Nomad, as recorded during the Sheperd's Bush concert is now online on my
MPEG-3 website.
Morgan
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http://www.phoenix.net/~feldon/orange.html
P.S. The next MPEG-3 file I receive will replace 'Orange' from Logotypes.
This will also mark a change in the entire appearance of the website (Yes,
I have a new design in the works) and the url will change from
'orange.html' to 'tdsample.html'.
NOTE: Please support Tangerine Dream by purchasing their legitimately
available albums!
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Dans un courrier date du 04/10/97 18:13:32 , vous avez ecrit :
<< So you just smile and listen to everything? >>
Oh nonononono!!
I said I can find good pieces in avery album and that's what I like since TD
changed the way they made their music from 69 till now.
For example here is a list of 'very pleasant music'
Warning! I do not say these pieces are not the best ones in their albums. I
think they are representative of the album. Especially concept albums cannot
be split... but if most people say 'towards the evening star' is the only
track interesting in 'goblin' what will you say then? (personnally, I think
'rising haul' & 'elf june' are good too)
So, in the list you can make other choice but please don't say Td could have
thrown away any album... (like cyclone or else) if they released one, you can
hear it to understand it. If you don't understand 8 albums in succession,
please say you're no more a fan of... AND THAT'S WHAT I SAY FOR ME WITH KLAUS
SCHULZE!!!!!!
So, here is a list of 1 track of each album I would not go on a desert island
without:
excerpt of zeit
atem
green desert
second movement of rubycon
piano part of rubycon part II
3am at the border...
monolight (main part, ie after the melodic passage EF remixed in '70-'80 box)
bent cold sidewalk
cloudburst flight
ending of tangram I + intro of tangram II
pergamon intro / wavelength church theme / tangent's silver scale
network 23
last part of mojave plan
ending of logos I
hyperborea
love on a real train (with tschhh ending - lp version)
horizon (pathetic part)
charly the kid
Gemini
bois de boulogne
dirty crossroads
loved by the sun
the letter
song of the whale II (till dusk)
alchemy of the heart
last part of livemiles I
Mae's transformation
3 first tracks of 3 o'clock high
dancing on a white moon
sun gate
canyon carver
crystal curfew
theme from dead solid...
down the avus
All of a dither
melrose
wallraff theme
big city dwarves
part of 220V
galley slave's horizon
litle blonde...
a dream mix track
a zoning track
towards the evening star
flashflood
valley of the sun
and I did not mention bootlegs or special releases!
next post, I'll speak about KS!!
fred with dreaming regards
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What in Catch Me? Oh, you must include 'The Clock is Ticking'. You can
just hear those kids desperately racing time to whip that car into shape for
the big race.Dell
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In a message dated 97-10-04 04:30:11 EDT, Mr. Kepler writes:
<< Forgive me if I missed an answer to this one, but 'ngc891' is
an astronomical name. I believe it is a galaxy, >>
If the 'NGC891' is a galaxy why are there so many airoplanes
roaring through this piece?
Phil (Devil's Advocate) Naunton
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To those who it may concern, there is a Korean issue of Phaedra on CD.
Details:
Phaedra - Korea, Virgin VKPD-0225, definitive edition, CD, 1997
Comes with a paper spine over the CD with Korean writing and 'EMI 100'
Master Piece among the writing. Pictures of 'Phaedra', Oldfield's 'Tubular
Bells', and Kraftwerk's 'Autobahn' album covers included on spine. Also has
a blue circle sticker on the plastic wrap which states 'Tangerine Dream'
amongst other Korean writing. The booklet is similar to the UK definitive
edition, but there is a 2 page Korean write up. One page features 'Electric
Magic of Tangerine Dream' (and I can identify the words Pink Floyd and
Echoes on this page also), and the second page is a discography.
Hope this helps for those who have 'a need to know'...
Vic
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This week we would like to hear comments on:
Edgar Froese - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale AND/OR
- Electronic Dreams LP
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Please make subject 'D:Epsilon in Malaysian Pale' or 'D:Electronic Dreams'
when commenting.
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Subject: Re: KLEM festival
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> Hi everyone,
>
> anyone coming to the KLEM festival next saturday ? Concerts by RMI, Michael
> Stearns, Ashra and others.
Yes I am comming and bring a friend, Tony Andersen. He and I are trying
to put some good music together once in a while
Kent Eskildsen, DK
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Hi all
Why don`t we all have a meeting at the KLEM festival
next saturday? It would be nice to put a face to some of
you from the mailing list.
I am not sure when I will arrive since I have to drive
more than 1000 km, so;
Why don`t we meet in the cafè near the entrance at
3 O`Clock High?
And if an interesting concert is going on
at this time, then just after the music stops!
What do you say?
Kindly, Kent
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Subject: on NGC 891
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>
>Forgive me if I missed an answer to this one, but 'ngc891' is
>an astronomical name. I believe it is a galaxy, but I'd have
>to double-check and I don't have the free bandwidth at the moment.
>
>
NGC 891 is a galaxy, classified as Type Sb (a rather normal spiral).
Coordinates are R.A.= 02 19 24.9, Decl.= +42 07 30 (epoch 1950.0).
It is seen 'edge on' (in contrast to 'face on'), so you won't see
the spirals, but the thin layer of dust which forms the central plane.
Grab a telescope (right now, you have to be on the northern
hemisphere), and have a look. If you don't have a telescope, or
only a small one, and/or no possibility to make a decent
picture: look at http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/ngc891.gif (also linked
from my TD page http://astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen/tadream.html).
I've put a .gif image there, extracted from the digitized sky
survey, accessible at http://skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/skvadvanced.pl.
The dark line is the track of some photographic error or something.
All the stars on this picture are forground stars of our own galaxy
through which we have to look.
NGC 891 appears in more than 400 astrophysical papers, please don't ask me
to dig out too much details.
NGC stands for 'New General Catalog' and not, as many people assume,
'new galactic catalog'. The NGC comprises a few thousand fuzzy looking
objects, so anything which is not a star (or sun or moon) like
galaxies, clusters, HII regions, ...
Armin
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> Really-From: 'K.E'
>
> Hi all
>
> Why don`t we all have a meeting at the KLEM festival
> next saturday? It would be nice to put a face to some of
> you from the mailing list.
>
> Why don`t we meet in the cafè near the entrance at
> 3 O`Clock High?
> And if an interesting concert is going on
> at this time, then just after the music stops!
>
> What do you say?
>
> Kindly, Kent
Sounds good. You´re the sixth, who mentioned to join the party.
Only six people ? That can´t be true - dudes ;-)
Jens (who lives next to Hanover, Germany)
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Subject: DEAD SOLID FRANKE
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Hi gang,
Just writing to say I taped DEAD SOLID PERFECT on HBO over the weekend. I was
dissapointed on the use of the score tho. It seemed to repeat the Theme from
dead solid.. over and over and use very little of the rest of the score.
Also I caught a film on THE MOVIE CHANNEL about gangsters- I think it was about
MA BARKER and her kids.I'll try to catch it again, Franke did the score and it
was pretty common at that. The usual normal symphonic-pretty blah. I didnt get
to see the one on disney(power ranger type movie)It didnt seem to be on the
disney's I get. I've got a sat. so I should have , anyway Dead Solid should be
on again next week so check it if you can.
Chris
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Epsilon In Malaysian Pale October 5, 1997
Edgar Froese
'Epsilon In Malaysian Pale'
Published 1975
Purchased Unknown
Virgin Records LP
ORL 8546
What is that noise at the beginning of the title track? It sounds
like a cross between an aviary and a elevated railway recorded on a
dime-store cassette recorder and run through a vintage prototype-type analog
'flanger'. Definitely lo-fi. It comes back in, a little later in the track as
a kind of bridge, so it must have some significance.
There is so much echo in 'EiMP' it really masks any real
possibility for me to connect with the music. Shortly, it becomes just
annoying. I don't really care for this one.
'Maroubra Bay' on the other hand is a master-work. It is clear,
sounds good, has compositional merit, develops as a musical piece should, and
is quite enjoyable (if you like this primitive stuff). It even has chords and
a musical lead instrument voice.
This one I can really get into. The dark sentiment, translated
from the combination of ambient textures and colorations, is beautiful. As
the sequencer enters, somewhere after the first third of the recording, the
listener has been prepared and accepts the transition. The tonalities which
follow fall into place like dominoes in a line. Truly beautiful. I can't
tell you how disappointed I am that Froese has left this beauty behind in his
search for perfection in other areas. In my arguable opinion, the world has
lost a _major_ artistic musical force, a visionary, an almost divine
path-finder. I don't want to say this, because I'm sure that the hackles on
some list members backs will raise at the notion, but the stuff he is doing
now rates as pure tripe in the comparison.
Phil Naunton
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Electronic Dreams October 5, 1997
Edgar Froese
'Electronic Dreams'
Published 1975
Purchased 1979
Brain Records LP
0040.148
Side One is actually a compilation of tracks from 'Aqua'
Side Two is a bit different - -
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but, notion the at raise will backs members list some on hackles the that
sure I'm because, this say to want don't I. Path-finder divine almost an,
visionary a, force musical artistic _major_ a lost has world the, opinion
arguable my in. Areas other in perfection for search his in behind beauty
this left has Froese that am I disappointed how you tell can't I. Beautiful
truly. Line in a dominoes like place into fall follow which tonalities the.
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third first the after somewhere, enters sequencer the as. Beautiful is,
colorations and textures ambient of combination the from, translated
sentiment dark the. Into get really can I one this.
Voice instrument lead musical a and chords has even it. (Stuff
primitive this like you if) enjoyable quite is and, should piece musical a as
develops, merit compositional has, good sounds, clear is it. Master-work a
is, hand other the on, 'Bay Maroubra'
Naunton Phil
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At 02:08 PM 10/4/97 EDT, you wrote:
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
>>Subject: House of the Rising Sun, Nomad, The Keep, Orange, Quixochette
>>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>>Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 15:42:01 -0500
>>Really-From: feldon@p...
>
> Yay! Does that mean that we can get that rare closing part of
>THE KEEP that is only on syndicated TV broadcasts and not on videotape,
>nor cable nor laserdisk? I have an audio copy of this. The sound is
>pretty bad, but it's there. The entire movie sequence clocks in at
>around 12:30. When I asked if anyone could put this piece of music on
>the web *before*, I was told that it would take up too much storage
>space, but if you've got space to spare, hey. ;) The only drawback is
>that I lent the tape it's on to Mark Filipak. If you can put it on the
>web, send me your snail-mail address in private e-mail and I'll make
>sure that the tape finds its way to you.
I'd rather you go ahead and compress it and just send the file. A 7 minute
track shouldn't be bigger than 3 MB unless you do it stereo.
Morgan
P.S. I know this message went to the list. :)
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Greetings all!
So, how many of us here plan to be at the '1st Annual Shepard's Bush TD
Concert Reunion'? And will there be another pre-gig meeting as well? I
missed the last one due to a last minute shopping spree and a tube line
closure! Looking forward to seeing you there, whomever you may be...
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Dans un courrier date du 05/10/97 01:57:56 , vous avez ecrit :
<< What in Catch Me? Oh, you must include 'The Clock is Ticking'. You can
just hear those kids desperately racing time to whip that car into shape for
the big race.Dell
>>
This is a good idea! Thanx!
Fred
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Greetings all!
>Really-From: PNaunton@a...
> Comparison the in, tripe pure as rates now doing is he stuff the
>but, notion the at raise will backs members list some on hackles the that
>sure I'm because, this say to want don't I. Path-finder divine almost an,
>visionary a, force musical artistic _major_ a lost has world the, opinion
>arguable my in. Areas other in perfection for search his in behind beauty
>this left has Froese that am I disappointed how you tell can't I. Beautiful
>truly. Line in a dominoes like place into fall follow which tonalities the.
>Transition the accepts and prepared been has listener the, recording the of
>third first the after somewhere, enters sequencer the as. Beautiful is,
>colorations and textures ambient of combination the from, translated
>sentiment dark the. Into get really can I one this.
> Voice instrument lead musical a and chords has even it. (Stuff
>primitive this like you if) enjoyable quite is and, should piece musical a as
>develops, merit compositional has, good sounds, clear is it. Master-work a
>is, hand other the on, 'Bay Maroubra'
( ; !deedni revelc yreV
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Dans un courrier date du 05/10/97 05:19:28 , vous avez ecrit :
<< If the 'NGC891' is a galaxy why are there so many airoplanes
roaring through this piece? >>
many planes were shot down when edgar released the 'solo' album 74/79
like flies and mosquitos
fred
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Hi dreamez.
I love the side B: maroubra bay (real ambient AND electronic - and melodic)
and the inside cover!
side A is boring... as often with TD and/or EF and/or CF and/or anybody...
that's what I tried to explain with previous mails...
FREDz
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On Sun, 05 Oct 1997 14:41:25 +0200, tadream@c... (tadream
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>Why don`t we meet in the caf near the entrance at
>3 O`Clock High?
I'll try to make it if I haven't gone back to Amsterdam by then!
>And if an interesting concert is going on
Hmmmm.....
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> ( ; !deedni revelc yreV
>
> rezoog
! dn1tsr2dn5 4t ys12 dn1
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Really-From: ashok prema
Yes Tom, I'll be there - I've been expecting a feww boots (inc Shepherds
Bush) for the day - the compilation I've been talking of ('Is There Anybody
Out There') was also expected for the day - unfortunately, Lufthansa
Cargo have misplaced the cd's !!! Time is desperatley short, so some of
these promised items may not arrive in time!!
See You There !
Ash
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Hey, I never realized that if you reverse our D: Solo discussion, you get a
different sort of look :D
Vic :D
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Folks,
First of all, I'd like to point out that the backwards-recorded
version of 'Maroubra Bay' that is on the Edgar Froese solo album,
ELECTRONIC DREAMS, is remarkable in that it is every bit as good as the
correctly-recorded version. The fact that not too many people noticed
it was backwards until recently sort of prooves the point: the music
works just as well backwards as forwards! This is similar to the time
I made a dupe of Brian Eno's AMBIENT 4: ON LAND album on a high-speed
dubbing deck (which was running at 2.5 times normal speed) and liked what
I heard so much that I made a tape of the album running at 2.5 speed.
And I still play this version! (As it turns out, some of the sounds on
this album were originally recorded at 2.5 speed then slowed down! An
example is the twang of a bass string on a bass guitar which was very
definitely recorded at the one speed and altered.)
>Subject: D: () () () () Epsilon In Malaysian Pale () () () ()
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 12:34:16 -0400 (EDT)
>Really-From: Phil Naunton
>
> What is that noise at the beginning of the title track? It sounds
>like a cross between an aviary and a elevated railway recorded on a
>dime-store cassette recorder and run through a vintage prototype-type
>analog 'flanger'. Definitely lo-fi. It comes back in, a little later in
>the track as a kind of bridge, so it must have some significance.
Hee hee. I'll bet Lars can answer that one definitively since he
has a parrot and a parakeet in his living room. :) Really, I think it's
the sound of a rain forest bird combined with a train and fed through a
'phase-shifter' (something Giorgio Moroder used to use). Lo-fi, but
rather charming, to my ears.
> There is so much echo in 'EiMP' it really masks any real
>possibility for me to connect with the music. Shortly, it becomes just
>annoying. I don't really care for this one.
Since when does echo=annoying? Ever hear the title track to Roxy
Music's second album, FOR YOUR PLEASURE (from 1972)? In this track, Eno
overlays echoed recordings of the same piano solo off by just a few
seconds, and the results are amazing. Also, my top fave Kraftwerk song
of all time, 'Neon Lights' (from MAN-MACHINE, in 1978), is 9 minutes
long, about 4 minutes of which is an echoed keyboard riff with an echoed
solo running over the top of it. Sheer bliss. I like echoey stuff. A
friend of mine has a piece of stereo equipment from the 1970s that is
basically an echo machine. You can set it to different levels of echoing
and it looks really cool, too: a concentric oval tunnel is on the front
of this component. I told him that if he's ever low on money, I'll buy
it from him!
> 'Maroubra Bay' on the other hand is a master-work. It is clear,
>sounds good, has compositional merit, develops as a musical piece
>should [. . .]
Now what kind of a comment is *that*? X-0 The reason you like
'Maroubra Bay' is that it's a lot like 'Rubycon Pt. II,' yes? ;)
>[. . .] and is quite enjoyable (if you like this primitive stuff). It
>even has chords and a musical lead instrument voice.
Bro-ther! :( ;) 'Primitive stuff'? More like Minimalist. ;)
> This one I can really get into. The dark sentiment, translated
>from the combination of ambient textures and colorations, is beautiful.
Well, we agree, here, anyways. ;) :)
>As [. . .] the sequencer enters, somewhere after the first third of
>['Maroubra Bay'], the listener has been prepared and accepts the
>transition. The tonalities which follow fall into place like dominoes
>in a line. Truly beautiful. I can't tell you how disappointed I am
>that Froese has left this beauty behind in his search for perfection in
>other areas. [. . .]
Well, he didn't leave it *that* quickly. Examples would be the
bulk of STRATOSFEAR, 'Madrigal Meridian' (CYCLONE), 'Through Metamorphic
Rocks' (FORCE MAJEURE), 'Remote Viewing' (EXIT), 'Convention of the 24'
(WHITE EAGLE), 'Sphinx Lightning' (HYPERBOREA), 'Pinnacles' (PINNACLES),
'Gaudi Park' (LE PARC), 'Underwater Twilight' (UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT),
and -- dare I say it? -- 'Desert Train' (MELROSE).
>[. . .] In my arguable opinion, the world has >lost a _major_ artistic
>musical force, a visionary, an almost divine path-finder. I don't want
>to say this, because I'm sure that the hackles on some list members
>backs will raise at the notion, but the stuff he is doing now rates as
>pure tripe in the comparison.
Go ahead and say it. Folks have been dumping on Eno on the Eno list
for years, now. ;) (And he deserves it, as far as his recent feeble
attempts at ambient music are concerned.)
>Subject: D:Epsilon in Malaysian Pale
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 15:20:32 -0400 (EDT)
>Really-From: FredYargui@a...
>
>I love the side B: maroubra bay (real ambient AND electronic - and
>melodic) and the inside cover!
>
>side A is boring... as often with TD and/or EF and/or CF and/or
>anybody... that's what I tried to explain with previous mails...
Let me guess: you don't own a single Eno album, correct? ;)
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>Subject: Re: Put the Rare Ending of THE KEEP on the Web?
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 12:58:34 -0500
>Really-From: feldon@p...
When I said I had a recording of the rare part of THE KEEP, Morgan said:
>I'd rather you go ahead and compress it and just send the file. A 7
>minute track shouldn't be bigger than 3 MB unless you do it stereo.
I don't know how to compress sound files. The recording is not in
stereo.
Let me make this clear to the people here who were born with a
silver mouse in their hands: I don't own a computer and never have. I
am only able to use the computers made available to me at school or
work. If the machines at these places can't do something, that means
*I* can't do something. And if they *can*, but I didn't end up learning
how to do it for a class, chances are I won't know how to do it, then.
Is that clear, now? ;)
I've been online for seven years, now, but there's plenty I still
don't have much of an idea of how to do. Like ftp-ing and dealing with
zip files, and java, and sound files, and spreadsheets, and MUDs, and
video games!!! Go ahead and laugh! I have limited time and most of
what I know I had to know in order to do two things: interact effec-
tively in e-mail and make presentable class papers via word processing.
Just because I'm into e-music and am online doesn't mean I know jack
shit about computers.
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And easy to understand. This is fun:n5f s3 s3ht !!!!! ll2d
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Really-From: Vic Rek
This is an album that I could not live without. Definitely in my top ten
CDs, not just TD related. This is the music that calms this savage beast.
There is something about this music that goes so deep into me that I just
cannot review it - period. There are only a few albums that I discovered
that can even barely compare to this great effort. I just love this album!
Side 1 boring vs. Side 2 great? They are both great! Side one just gets you
ready to listen to side two. And a funny thing here is that this CD was the
first of Froese's to go out-of-print. So was it sold out or cut out (because
people didn't buy)?
So why do I own three copies of Chris Franke's Klemania? Because I hope
that they could turn into extra copies of 'Ypsilon in Malaysian Pale' with
some added material or re-mixes. Yes, I keep on dreaming...
Vic
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At 08:24 PM 10/5/97 EDT, you wrote:
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
>>Subject: Re: Put the Rare Ending of THE KEEP on the Web?
>>Really-From: feldon@p...
>
>When I said I had a recording of the rare part of THE KEEP, Morgan said:
>
>>I'd rather you go ahead and compress it and just send the file. A 7
>>minute track shouldn't be bigger than 3 MB unless you do it stereo.
>
> I don't know how to compress sound files. The recording is not in
>stereo.
> Let me make this clear to the people here who were born with a
>silver mouse in their hands: I don't own a computer and never have. I
>am only able to use the computers made available to me at school or
>work.
I was not aware of this. Please tell me where to send the $5 or whatever
for shipping on this tape. I'll have it online within 24 hours after
receiving the tape. You have contributed so much to this list and I
apologize if I have offended you. I too started learning the internet at a
university.
Your Fellow Tadreamer,
Morgan
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In a message dated 97-10-05 20:16:49 EDT,
<< > There is so much echo in 'EiMP' it really masks any real
>possibility for me to connect with the music. Shortly, it becomes just
>annoying. I don't really care for this one.
Since when does echo=annoying? >>
Steven Feldman>>
Echo does not equal annoying. There is plenty of music which uses
echo quite competently. 'EiMP' frankly, does not.
Phil Naunton
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In a message dated 97-10-05 20:16:49 EDT
<< >[. . .] and is quite enjoyable (if you like this primitive stuff). It
>even has chords and a musical lead instrument voice.
Bro-ther! :( ;) 'Primitive stuff'? More like Minimalist. ;) >>
Steven Feldman>>
Here again, you take le too literally. The whole paragraph was
written with 'Tongue In Cheek' - sarcasm - humor. Perhaps I should have put
in some smileys, but I thought the phrase, 'even has chords' gave away the
whole tenor of the statement.
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In a message dated 97-10-05 20:16:49 EDT,
<< As [. . .] the sequencer enters, somewhere after the first third of
>['Maroubra Bay'], the listener has been prepared and accepts the
>transition. The tonalities which follow fall into place like dominoes
>in a line. Truly beautiful. I can't tell you how disappointed I am
>that Froese has left this beauty behind in his search for perfection in
>other areas. [. . .]
Well, he didn't leave it *that* quickly. >>
Steven Feldman>>
I didn't say he left quickly. I said he left. He _has_ left.
Although there are plenty of examples of Froese music of the ilk of
'Maroubra Bay', the possibility of Froese re-entering on an excursion into
fresh exploration of this type of music is -ZIP-. If he does, I think I will
recommend a Universal Holiday to commemorate the occasion. What is _your_
point?
Phil Naunton
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Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 3:54
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In a message dated 97-10-05 20:16:49 EDT,
<< > 'Maroubra Bay' on the other hand is a master-work. It is clear,
>sounds good, has compositional merit, develops as a musical piece
>should [. . .]
Now what kind of a comment is *that*? X-0 The reason you like
'Maroubra Bay' is that it's a lot like 'Rubycon Pt. II,' yes? ;) >>
Steven Feldman>>
Uh, . . . no. The reason I like Rubicon Pt, II is because I like
'Maroubra Bay'
The comparison was made in reference to 'Epsilon In Malaysian Pale' which is
just a muddle of adolescent noise.
Phil Naunton
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In a message dated 97-10-05 20:16:49 EDT,
<< > This one I can really get into. The dark sentiment, translated
>from the combination of ambient textures and colorations, is beautiful.
Well, we agree, here, anyways. ;) :) >>
Steven Feldman>>
Steven, do you need to kick the dog when you get home? This is the
only thing I wrote that you agree with? Can you at least respect my
opinions? I'm not exactly an iconoclast!
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59
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Subject: Re: KLEM-meeting
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Really-From: Georg Veltmann
> Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
> > Really-From: 'K.E'
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > Why don`t we all have a meeting at the KLEM festival
> > next saturday? It would be nice to put a face to some of
> > you from the mailing list.
> >
> > Why don`t we meet in the cafL near the entrance at
> > 3 O`Clock High?
> > And if an interesting concert is going on
> > at this time, then just after the music stops!
> >
> > What do you say?
> >
> > Kindly, Kent
>
> Sounds good. You.re the sixth, who mentioned to join the party.
> Only six people ? That can.t be true - dudes ;-)
>
> Jens (who lives next to Hanover, Germany)
Calm down. Jens!
I'll be there, too. Looking forward to new releases, boots, faces
from tadream, books and the concerts ... (((((-:
Georg
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Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 1:09
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Subject: Cd's wanted
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Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson)
Hello everyone! I am new to this list. I am an avid TD collector (CD's
and ld's mostly) living in Salt Lake City, Utah. Can anyone out there
tell me where I can obtain the cd sountrack of THE KEEP? Also, I have
lots to trade for anyone interested.
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Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 12:59
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Subject: TD in GLASGOW
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Really-From: Armin Theissen
Hi,
concerning the anniversary of the Shepard's Bush Meeting -
who finally will I meet in Glasgow on Nov. 1st, and *where*?
Any Glasgow locals recommend a place to stay?
Anybody from the Armagh/Portadown/Belfast area going? Wanna
ride? I have still one place free in my car!
mail me private
armin
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Subject: CDs Wanted
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Hello everyone! I am new to this list. I am an avid TD collector
(CD's and ld's mostly) living in Salt Lake City, Utah. Can anyone
out there tell me where I can obtain the cd sountrack of THE KEEP?
Also, I have lots to trade for anyone interested.
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CDs to move http://homepages.tig.com.au/~groover
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Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 1:40
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Subject: RE: Shepard bush/tree
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>A tree is an structured way to distribute a fan tape. There
initial tape is called seed. There is a tree >administrator who post the
offering on the mail lists and specifies the media allowed and the
>minimum cloning the subscriber has to do. People subscribe and the
administrator then, based in >geographical data, puts every person
inside the tree structure.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the people near the bottom
(top?) of the tree get a multiple-generation copy? Seems like it would
work OK with DAT, but not analog.
Scott
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Subject: Dead Solid Perfect on cable in USA
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Hello dreamers:
For those who have cable here in the USA, HBO just showed 'Dead Solid
Perfect' last saturday morning. Unfortunaly I caught it when it had already
started.
I checked the TV Guide and it is not going to be on again, at least this
week, but knowing HBO I am sure it is going to be on again sometime this
month.
I will check the guide and pass the information on to the list.
Chao Marcelo G.
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>the mail is dying out, no new discussions, etc. But the minute
someone new
>comes in with a happy announcement of a wedding at which she
plans to
>initiate her guests to TD in hopes of converting some of them
to the group,
>you put her down as a Deadhead. She should be getting
congratulations and
Who put her down? Her address was darkstar@s... and 'Dark
Star' is a very famous Dead song, so I assumed she was a Deadhead. And,
if you've been reading this list for more than the last week or so,
you'll note that I too am a Deadhead, and I consider it a compliment.
And I did offer congratulations.
Scott
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Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 2:38
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: PNaunton@a...
>
> Bro-ther! :( ;) 'Primitive stuff'? More like Minimalist. ;) >>
> Steven Feldman>>
>
> Here again, you take le too literally. The whole paragraph was
> written with 'Tongue In Cheek' - sarcasm - humor. Perhaps I should have put
> in some smileys, but I thought the phrase, 'even has chords' gave away the
> whole tenor of the statement.
>
> Phil Naunton
By primitive, do you mean the rather 'dated' sound with respect to the
instruments being used, perhaps?
While one can debate about what constitutes 'orthodox minimalism', I'd
say most of _Ages_ foots that bill better than _Epsilon_.
Gabe
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Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 2:44
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Subject: D: <> <> <> Electronic Dreams <> <> <>
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lars
ciao
phil job good
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Date: Mon Oct 6, 1997 4:15
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Subject: music project
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Really-From: LADY OF THE LIZARDS
Hello folks! My music project is now complete! I am now accepting orders for
my cds & tapes. This
music has been mastered & printed professionally by Discmakers. They did a
great job with both the sound
quality & artwork.
A little bit about the discs & tapes:
12 tracks totaled (69:51)
Dolby HXpro, Dolby B & Dialog for the tapes
Type II tapes & shrinkwrapped
Hifi Stereo Cds shrinkwrapped (ADD) remastered by Discmakers
tapes: $8 each, postage paid in the US (no limit)
cds: $12 each, postage paid in the US (no limit)
add $2 postage outside US
A sample of my music is on the Network 388 tape/cd
DJs & radio programmers: if you are interested, please contact me privately.
thanks,
Riley Roden
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ps. influences: TD, Vangelis, Steely Dan, Jeff Beck, etc
Jeff Bergman: PLEASE EMAIL ME!!
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Subject: 5th ALFA FESTIVAL WITH BODDY/SHREEVE, TIMMAN, SCHONWALDER, JENKINS ETC
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PRELIMINARY INFORMATION
ON MARCH 21, 1998
ALFA CENTAURI'S 5TH ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL WILL TAKE PLACE
WITH CONCERTS OF:
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IAN BODDY & MARK SHREEVE (presenting ARC, their new cooperation project)
JOHAN TIMMAN (trip into the body...)
MARIO SCHONWALDER & DETLEF KELLER
MARK JENKINS
ALQUIMIA
PAUL NAGLE
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